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Capital Flight, Capital Controls, Capital Fear





Ben Shahn Nickel Inn August 1938
"Quick lunch stand in Plain City, Ohio"

The ending of extend-and-pretend is ushering in a new era of fear and uncertainty which is rapidly evolving into the next phase of the on-going credit crunch.

It is becoming clearer to many that the problems run much deeper than they had perceived, and more people all the time are realizing the systemic nature of the risks we are facing. Fear leads to knee-jerk reactions. In financial markets, it leads to volatility and self-fulfilling prophecies to the downside. It leads to capital flight, and then to capital controls.

Capital controls were an integral part of the Bretton Woods regime, but went out of favour in the expansionist Washington Consensus era that followed. They remain controversial.

Douglas Rediker, a senior fellow of the New America Foundation and until recently a member of the executive board of the IMF, says:"There are no winners in capital controls. But if banks and your economy are losing capital, you may use them to stem the tide. It’s not winning, but it’s not losing as bad as you might otherwise.


Capital controls appear to have limited contagion and economic damage in the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997/98. In later cases of relatively isolated financial crises, notably Iceland, they have also been credited with limiting the scope of krona currency crisis.

Capital controls are rapidly returning to official favour, but the likelihood of being able to employ them to contain a crisis orders of magnitude larger in scope is very small. Under such conditions, the risk is that capital controls will amplify the fear that is the driving force for capital flight.

The spread of financial contagion - fear by another name - is increasingly evident in Europe at the moment. Interest rates are one measure of fear, representing the perceived risk of default and thus a risk premium. As this perceived risk rises, interest rates go up, but this has the effect of making the debt harder to repay, leading to a further increase in the perceived risk of default, and therefore higher interest rates yet again.

Once a country is trapped in this vicious circle, collective psychology tells us where it will lead - to default. Similarly, austerity programmes force default by making it more difficult to repay loans by forcing economic contraction. Positive feedback loops have an inexorable progression that picks up momentum as they proceed.

Perception of risk drives capital flows - away from problem states and toward safe havens. What happens is that spreads rise. Perception of high risk leads to much higher rates, whereas perception of lower risk leads to falling rates, at least in the early stages of a financial crisis. Safe haven status does not require objective measures of safety or sounds fundamentals. All one has to be is the least worst option. Money goes from where the fear is to where the fear is not, pushing some over the edge, while buying time for others. In either case, large capital flows are destabilizing, and governments will try to use capital controls to prevent them.

The situation with the erstwhile European single currency is the epicentre of financial crisis this time. It is creating multiple risk distinctions - periphery versus core within the eurozone, long term versus short term, and also an increasing disparity between the euro countries and those outside the single currency. Clearly the interest rates are rising in the countries of the European periphery, to the point where these countries are effectively being shut out of international credit markets, and the businesses, local authorities and individuals within them are experiencing knock-on drying up of liquidity.

Funds are leaving these countries and moving towards the core states, but this move reflects only risk disparity within the eurozone. Some parties remain comfortable with the euro as a concept and are content seeking the relative security of the stronger states within it. Others take a broader view and have already lost trust in the single currency. For them, an acceptable level of risk begins with holding no euro-denominated assets at all.

Interest rate spreads are broadening within the eurozone, but core country rates are also beginning to rise, albeit from a very low level. To some this appears confusing.

Robin Wigglesworth for the FT:

German yields jump as Spain hits euro-era highs

Borrowing costs for Germany, the UK and France, deemed among the safest sovereigns in Europe, rose sharply on Tuesday as investors took fright at the worsening crisis in Spain.

Yields on Spain’s government bonds soared to their highest level since the launch of the euro. The yield on benchmark 10-year debt increased to more than 6.8 per cent.

However, it was the climb in borrowing costs of the"core" sovereigns, which typically tended to move in the opposite direction of the periphery’s bond yields, that unnerved many investors.

Germany, the UK and France’s 10-year bond yields have risen 25 basis points, 16bp and 47bp to 1.42 per cent, 1.69 per cent and 2.73 per cent respectively since the start of the month.


Spreads can continue to rise within the eurozone while rates for the whole region rise relative to other sovereigns believed to represent a lower risk. All risks are relative, and the risk-averse psychology of a decline magnifies all differences. Attempts by central authorities to fight the psychology of decline with bailouts perversely reinforce it under such circumstances, by convincing investors that there really is something to worry about. The psychology of a rally is supportive of central interventions, making them appear successful, but declines make central authorities look incompetent, no matter what they do.

Each subsequent bailout, meant to be definitive, buys less and less time before the spiral of fear continues upward again. In the case of Spain, yields began to rise again mere days after a $100 billion bailout that was not even contingent on austerity measures, as previous bailouts for other countries had been.

The growing impetus for fear-driven risk avoidance is already causing problems, not just for the countries where capital is leaving, but also for the safe-haven recipients. The US, representing the safe haven of the reserve currency, has seen substantial inflows that are causing problems for the banking system.

Dakin Campbell, Dawn Kopecki and Bradley Keoun for Bloomberg:

U.S. Banks Said To Seek Relief From Regulators As Deposits Swell

Deposits are flooding into the biggest U.S. banks as customers seek shelter from Europe’s debt crisis and falling stock prices. That forces lenders to raise capital for a growing balance sheet and saddles them with the higher deposit insurance payments. With short-term interest rates so low, it’s hard for financial firms to reinvest the new money profitably.

Regulators have asked banks to take the deposits anyway, three people said, with one lender accepting $100 billion. The regulators want lenders to take the deposits because it improves the stability of the financial system, according to one of the people, who said U.S. banks are viewed as places of strength...

...The extra deposits are problematic because they’re subject to withdrawal, so banks have to park the money in low-yielding short-term investments, Litan said. With few other choices available, banks have stashed their excess deposits at the Fed, which means the cash gets counted as assets. This expands their balance sheets and thus pushes down their leverage ratio, which measures Tier 1 capital divided by adjusted average total assets; the lower the ratio, the weaker the bank, at least in theory...

....At least one firm, Bank of New York Mellon Corp. (BK), tried to recoup some of the costs by charging depositors 13 basis points, or 0.13 percent, for holding unusually high balances.


Europe’s financial crisis is also supporting the value of the US dollar. A knee-jerk flight to safety into the reserve currency has been underway for some time already, and shortages of dollars are now increasing demand beyond supply. This dynamic has a lot further to go as dollar denominated debt, of which there is more than any other kind in the world, begins to deflate in earnest. Dollar liquidity will be in increasingly short supply.

Lukanyo Mnyanda, Emma Charlton and Allison Bennett for Bloomberg:

Dollar Shortage Seen in $2 Trillion Gap Says Morgan Stanley

Central banks rebuilding foreign- exchange reserves at the fastest pace since 2004 are crowding out private investors seeking U.S. dollars, boosting demand even as the Federal Reserve considers printing more currency.

After falling to an all-time low of 60.5 percent in the second quarter of last year, the dollar’s share of global reserves rose 1.6 percentage points to 62.1 percent in December, the latest International Monetary Fund figures show. The buying has left the private sector with $2 trillion less than it needs, according to investment-flow data by Morgan Stanley, which sees the dollar gaining 8.2 percent in 2012, the most in seven years.

While the Fed has created more than $2 trillion under its stimulus programs since 2008, the flows signal that there may actually be a shortage of dollars to meet demand as Europe’s debt crisis deepens and the global economy slows. The dollar has risen 3.5 percent since the end of April against a basket of the most-widely traded currencies even amid speculation that the Fed, which meets this week, may undertake the type of stimulus measures that weakened it in the past.

"The market often assumes that people are long dollars, but many of those dollars are held by central banks, which are unlikely to move out," Ian Stannard, head of European currency strategy at Morgan Stanley in London, said in a June 13 interview."That leaves us with the private sector, which is short," meaning they don’t have enough of them, he said."In an environment where we see a global slowdown, the dollar will be well supported."


Safe haven status can lead to negative nominal interest rates, as interest rates are a risk premium. Rather than asking for a return, spooked investors are prepared to pay for the privilege of capital preservation. They are less concerned with the return on capital than the return of capital. In Switzerland, a major safe haven recipient of capital fleeing the eurozone, negative rates already apply. In the US, short term rates are likely to stay low, but longer term rates may well be on the verge of rising.

States are seeking to prevent destabilizing capital flows. We are currently seeing the beginning of a process that has very much further to go. Switzerland responded early on with determination to peg its currency to the euro, in an attempt to prevent its currency appreciating to the point where its export markets would suffer. However, currency pegs merely present a tempting target for speculators. They may stand for a while, but if the underlying condition that gave rise to capital flows is not addressed, currency pegs can prove impossible to maintain, costing sovereign states a lot of money while making a fortune for tenacious speculators with far more ammunition than states can defend against.

Graeme Wearden for the Guardian:

Swiss bid to peg 'safe haven' franc to the euro stuns currency traders

Giles Watts, head of equities at City Index, warned that Switzerland could find itself in a battle with currency speculators to hold the value of its currency down.

"Most interventions in the currency markets by the authorities of late have only helped prices in the short term at best. If the euro crisis intensifies there is every chance the market could test the SNB's resolve to hold the cross rate above the 1.20 level," Watts said.

Last month, the SNB pledged to keep interest rates near zero and increase the supply of Swiss francs available to traders. This move did not succeed in weakening the currency.

The Japanese yen has also been driven higher since the financial crisis began, hurting the country's exporters and prompting Japan's central bank to launch its own interventions.

Louise Cooper, markets analyst at BGC Partners, warned that central banks do not have unlimited power – as the UK learned during Black Wednesday in September 1992. "The Japanese example with yen intervention teaches us that intervention can work in the very short term but changing long-term global currency flows is near impossible – a lesson that the UK learned from George Soros," Cooper said.

The Swiss efforts to hold down the value of their currency, although unlikely to succeed in the long run, may accentuate upward pressure on the currencies of other non-euro safe havens, threatening their export markets in turn.


Simon Kennedy and Emma Charlton for Bloomberg:

Swiss Open Fresh Round In Currency War Ignited By Global Economic Slowdown

The initiative may leave Norway and Sweden vulnerable to unwanted gains in their currencies as countries such as Brazil and Japan fight to limit appreciation amid a flight from the euro debt crisis and near-zero U.S. interest rates. With Group of Seven finance chiefs set to hold talks this week, it also exposes the clash among policy makers counting on exports to offset slumping demand at home.

"We will see a lot more intervention now, we will see manipulation on a grand scale," said Stuart Thomson, who helps oversee about $120 billion as a portfolio manager at Ignis Asset Management in Glasgow."Traditional safe havens are trying to undermine the value of their currencies."


What we are headed for are global currency wars, with rounds of beggar-thy-neighbour currency devaluations, ultimately leading to the end of the fiat currency regime. The every-state-for-itself mentality is a major part of the psychology of contraction. This is the attitude that is tearing at the socioeconomic fabric of not only the eurozone, but ultimately of the European Union as well.

Where national interest become paramount, and the interests of the collective are lost, the endgame has arrived for the supranational entity. Political aggregations are increasingly fissile under such circumstances. For now, it is Europe in the crosshairs, but broader global divisions are on their way.

Capital controls, on both inflows and outflows, will be far more extensive than currency wars, however. We can expect all manner of attempts to control money flows at all scales. The impact will be widely felt by people trying to protect their scarce resources by removing them from the system while that is still possible. This can be difficult, and for ordinary people without the ability to send funds abroad leads there is a need to protect it domestically. Options are limited and increasingly risky.

David Böcking for Der Spiegel:

Desperate Greeks Withdraw Money from Accounts

Many Greeks are emptying their bank accounts out of fear that the country may return to the drachma. But most of the money is not going abroad. Instead, individuals are storing cash in safe deposit boxes or at home -- leading to an increase in burglaries...

...There is still little sign of panic in Greece, and there has not been a stampede to the banks. Nevertheless, people are withdrawing hundreds of millions of euros from the banks every day. In May alone, outflows totaled €5 billion. According to official figures, €80 billion has been withdrawn since the start of the crisis...

...Rich Greeks have long been moving billions to countries such as Italy or Switzerland, or buying luxury properties in London. But overall, according to estimates by the Greek central bank, only about one-fifth of the total money withdrawn has gone abroad. Many customers have left their money in the bank itself, Christiana says -- but in a safe deposit box rather than in their accounts."It's currently impossible to find a free safe deposit box in a Greek bank," she says.

Those customers clearly don't want to be surprised by a currency reform. There has long been speculation over how that could work. The banks could close over a weekend, take stock of the euro holdings in their accounts and prevent further transfers to foreign accounts. Euro bills which are already in circulation would be marked with stamps. The export of unmarked bills would be prevented at the borders. Within a short time, the drachma could be reintroduced...

...Greeks now have around €50 billion stashed at home, reports the Greek newspaper Ta Nea, citing the Greek Finance Ministry. Burglaries are increasing as a result. In Crete, they have gone up by 700 percent within two years. Burglars recently stole €50,000 in cash from a house of an old couple in Athens.


The crisis may now increase the social divide in Greece, just as it has done many times in recent years. While members of the upper class have long managed to stash their money in safe places, a possible currency reform and the subsequent devaluation would probably hit many low-income earners unprepared.

Safe deposit boxes are not a secure option in the event of a bank run. If the bank’s doors are shut, the likelihood of being able to access a safe deposit box is vanishingly small. The odds of the contents remaining where they were left for long enough for the owners to be reunited with their property are also rather low. Even when there is no threat of an imminent bank run, financially-strapped central authorities may be minded to help themselves to the assets of others.

Elisabeth Leamy for ABC News:

Not-So-Safe-Deposit Boxes: States Seize Citizens' Property to Balance Their Budgets

"They figured the safety-deposit box was safer than keeping it under the mattress. In the case of a lot of citizens, they were wrong, weren't they?"

California law used to say property was unclaimed if the rightful owner had had no contact with the business for 15 years. But during various state budget crises, the waiting period was reduced to seven years, and then five, and then three. Legislators even tried for one year. Why? Because the state wanted to use that free money...

...Some states keep their unclaimed property in a special trust fund and only tap into the interest they earn on it. But California dumps the money into the general fund -- and spends it.


Governments may also decide that the contents of safe deposit boxes may constitute evidence of criminal activity, and reserve the right to assess the property stored, making the owners prove legitimacy. In a liquidity crunch, it is quite likely they will regard there being no legitimate reason for holding cash, and private gold ownership may be declared illegal. Both cash and gold could be subject to confiscation.

Richard Edwards for The Telegraph:

Safety deposit box raids yield £1bn of drugs, cash and guns

Scotland Yard said that Met’s Specialist Crime Directorate raided seven properties: three safe depositories, an office and three residential addresses...

..."Operation Rize is a money laundering investigation and is entirely unprecedented, one of the largest of its kind ever undertaken in the UK," he said. "In the past safety deposit boxes have been searched on an individual basis often resulting in the recovery of guns, drugs and cash. We believe that this operation has the potential to impact upon many layers of serious crime."

The investigation has been running for two years and included intensive work with lawyers to ensure they were able to seize all of the boxes.

Members of the public who have innocently and legally stored their valuables were"inevitably" going to get swept up in the disruption, it was predicted.


Legal niceties are very likely to go by the wayside as deleveraging proceeds and the global grab for scarce cash begins in earnest. Those who posses the power to grab assets left in harm’s way are very likely to do so, then possession will be nine tenths of the law.

Simon Black for Sovereign Man:

It starts: the government’s plan to steal your money

European officials yesterday flat out admitted that they were discussing rolling out a series of harsh capital controls across the continent, including bank withdrawal limits and closing down Europe’s borderless Schengen area.

Some of these measures have already been implemented sporadically; customers of Italian bank BNI, for example, were all frozen out of their accounts starting May 31st upon the recommendation and approval of Italy’s bank regulator. No ATM withdrawals, no bill payments, nothing. Just locked out overnight.

In Greece, the government has taken to simply pulling funds directly out of its citizens’ bank accounts; anyone suspected of being a tax cheat (with a very loose interpretation in the sole discretion of the government) is being relieved of their funds without so much as administrative notification.

It’s no wonder why, according to the Greek daily paper Kathimerini, over $125 million per day is fleeing the Greek banking system. European political leaders aim to put a tourniquet on this wound in the worst possible way.


Moving money abroad to a safer haven is not the simple solution one might imagine either. Governments that could not stop the hemorrhage as it was happening are seeking to reverse the capital flight after the fact. Of course, such actions will only further inflame fear, while doing nothing to address the reason for capital flight. They will thus increase the impetus for capital to flee in any way that it can.

Bruce Krasting:

On Capital Flight and Forced Repatriation

All around the globe one can find evidence that money is moving around with the sole purpose of finding someplace"safe". Capital flight is a perfectly logical consequence in today’s world. Barely a day passes where we are not reminded that nothing is safe any more. Not our currencies, not our equities, not our bonds and certainly not our banks/brokers.

In Greece there are many example where capital flight is undermining stability. The most obvious is the capital flight from the Greek banks that has taken place over the past few years. This flow of money is also perfectly logical. There are many risks of leaving money in a Greek bank:

•The Bank could default. The principal in the account is at risk.The guarantee (up to E100k) is from the government. What's that worth?

•The government could default. The chaos that would follow would result in a freeze of all bank balances.

•The government could announce one morning that it was re-establishing the Drachma. This would mean that any Euros in a Greek bank would be automatically converted into Drachmas at the old official rate. The value of those Drachma would be worth half (or less) as a result of the immediate devaluation that would occur...

...A move is being made in Brussels to"force" the Swiss government/banks to transfer all of the assets of Greek citizens back to the Greek banks. For a Greek this means that your money is hostage. It has been functionally expropriated. It will be transferred into a banking system that is fraught with risk. Some portion of the money that goes back to Greece will certainly be lost...

...If this happens (the folks in Brussels are pushing hard) a very dangerous precedent will have been set. Flight capital will have been made illegal.


Capital flight from the periphery is currently being quietly financed by other European central banks, allowing Greeks and other depositors in the periphery to continue withdrawing funds without banks closing their doors. Instead of a bank run, we have seen what has been described by several commentators as a "bank jog".

However, the rest of the eurozone cannot continue such support indefinitely, especially as fear causes the pace of the ‘jog’ to pick up, and contagion spreads the problem to other states. When that support ends, bank insolvency will be revealed.

The kind of capital controls one should expect, and prepare for, include:


•Restrictions on bank withdrawals

•Restrictions on money market fund redemptions

•Greater restrictions on retirement fund liquidations

•Fixing an official exchange rate and criminalizing market rate transactions

•Banning the conversion of domestic currency to foreign currency

•Banning the movement of assets out of the country to foreign financial institutions

•Barriers, restrictions, additional transaction costs imposed on foreigners seeking to deposit funds or make investments in safe havens

•Forcing sovereign debt owners to accept longer maturities rather than principal repayment

•Banning gold ownership

•Reissuing the currency in a new form (an acute risk in Europe obviously)

•Restrictions on the size of cash transactions


Assets held within the grip of the system are at risk. There is a critical dependence on the solvency of middle men, on government guarantees, and on the powerful resisting the temptation to grab what they can in the financial free-for-all of deflation and deleveraging that is picking up momentum. None of these is a good bet. Whatever actions one might plan to take, it is necessary to take those actions before push comes to shove. That way they can be taken under conditions of relative calm.

There are no no-risk solutions, but different options will suit different people, depending on their circumstances. Some may choose to store assets in another jurisdiction or in another currency if those options are available, but losing control over assets abroad is a distinct possibility, as is difficulty in converting the currency chosen as a store of value back into something that will functions as cash at home.

Physical travel may become much more difficult as capital controls lead to border controls of other kinds. Holding assets close to home gives one the greatest degree of control, but with certain obvious risks attached. Typically, he who loses the least in a deflation is the winner, as there are no easy answers.

Once fear is in the ascendancy, it is very difficult to combat. Governments and central banks simply do not have the control they think they do, and they do not understand the nature of battle they are engaged in. It is not a matter of restoring certain objective conditions. Central authorities are trying to fight the inexorable recognition that the magnitude of the debt that has resulted from our 30 year credit expansion dwarfs the wealth of the world, that the $70 trillion in G10 debt underpins some $700 trillion in derivatives.

That realization, and the natural reactions stemming from it, are the problem. As confidence evaporates, so does liquidity. Credit - the vast majority of the effective money supply - ceases to be equivalent to money. The resulting crash of the effective money supply is deflation by definition. This is what we have been predicting since the inception of TAE. This is how credit expansions always end - with the implosion of credit instruments that amount to no more than a pile of human promises that cannot be kept.

Martin Wolf for the FT:

Panic has become all too rational

Finance plays a central role in crises, generating euphoria, over-spending and excessive leverage on the way up and panic, retrenchment and deleveraging on the way down. Doubts about the stability of finance depend on the perceived solvency of debtors. Such doubts reached a peak in late 2008, when loans secured against housing were the focus of concern. What is happening inside the eurozone is now the big worry, with the twist that sovereigns, the actors upon whom investors depend for rescue during systemic crises, are among the troubled debtors. Such doubts are generating a flight to safety towards Germany and, outside the eurozone, towards countries that retain monetary sovereignty, such as the US and even the UK.

It is often forgotten that the failure of Austria’s Creditanstalt in 1931 led to a wave of bank failures across the continent. That turned out to be the beginning of the end of the gold standard and caused a second downward leg of the Great Depression itself. The fear must now be that a wave of banking and sovereign failures might cause a similar meltdown inside the eurozone, the closest thing the world now has to the old gold standard...

...How much pain can the countries under stress endure? Nobody knows. What would happen if a country left the eurozone? Nobody knows. Might even Germany consider exit? Nobody knows. What is the long-run strategy for exit from the crises? Nobody knows. Given such uncertainty, panic is, alas, rational. A fiat currency backed by heterogeneous sovereigns is irremediably fragile...

...Before now, I had never really understood how the 1930s could happen. Now I do. All one needs are fragile economies, a rigid monetary regime, intense debate over what must be done, widespread belief that suffering is good, myopic politicians, an inability to co-operate and failure to stay ahead of events.


 

Posted: 12 months ago by snuffy #3859
I have been going at a dead run for about a week,and just now have caught up with my reading and chores.Having 2,high-energy kids for 3 days...a "grandsitter"is both wonderful and exhausting...trying to deal with the vagaries of weather,as well as 2 broke tillers has delayed my garden a couple of weeks,but steelhead fishing with a 7 year old girl,and her 12 year old brother has made up for most of my headaches.They are both hooked now.(always start fisherfolk young.)

I knew,in my heart of hearts,that Nicole's call,back in the day,was a well thought out,reasoned,Damned-savvy analysis of the how and why of this. .
We have had many,many folks attempts to shoot holes in her and Ilargi take on the way this is going to play out,but her call/predictions have been on the money,or at least close enough to make me some money when I was still forced to own stock.[I Have none now]

The next stage is where I think this S#%t will get real.There will be actions taken by "entities" that will rip the mask off,for the rest of those who think this is just a regular business downturn,and point out we are on a toboggan picking up speed fast on its way to hell.How many will react to having their blinders torn off is anyones guess.

Were the truth of the unemployment,job loss and "REAL"numbers out,as well as the reality of coming events..like what I have had some very bad dreams about lately.

I see some here still talking about heading for the high country as a survival ploy....Good luck.I have always thought of folks like that as "refugees"My home is relatively secluded,at the end of a dead end road,and I have had few,non-family members by the last 10-15 years.With fruit trees,a spring[soon to have a sand filter]garden, ect.,It would take a lot to make me pull stakes.Yes,I am a stationary target,but not a foolish one.

If the thought is gangs of screaming mutant biker gangsters...most of my neighbors are quiet,retired older WW2,'Nam,Sandbox Hardcases that should scare hell out of any one foolish enough to get crazy up here.

I saw up close and personal how fast this community self-organised and became a effective,for lack of a better word "Village"during the Y2K non-event.When the area was threatened...it reacted,and I think the same type of reaction will occur if/when law and order breaks down.

I know the place will feed me and whatever tribe we gather.I also know some VERY bad times are ahead ..so...

Get the rest of the garden in,do what you need to do,and take the kids fishing...

Bee good,or
Bee careful


snuffy
Posted: 12 months ago by steve from virginia #3841
Yr not paying attention, RE: the disorder in countries such as Syria and Somalia is the outcome of direct policy actions by the US (primarily) and others; military and foreign affairs agencies.

It's clear the US public isn't interested in disorder, most Americans are too old, the young peoples' employment is held hostage. Even when provoked the younger citizens are uninterested in fighting in the streets.

There is nothing to gain by disorder, only acting out.

When Americans get serious there will be strikes and debt repudiation.
Posted: 12 months ago by Hircus #3840
Panseptic,

I agree with you about rural areas having huge plusses as our economy falters. My thoughts on low-population areas is more toward the really remote places -- Alaskan bush, the great Northern Woods of Maine, the Rocky Mountains, and the Great Basin.

I'm a bit more wary of the tax-man than you, still. Local and State government has grown a lot since the 1960's, and they might be more likely to come after your assets than the national/global folks.
Posted: 12 months ago by Reverse Engineer #3836
steve from virginia wrote:

- Mad Max isn't happening so far but Woodstock might not be out of the question ...



Depends a whole lot on your Location there Steve. Mad Max has hit Somalia and Syria here already, Egypt is well into it and Greece is on the way. How long to project before MM comes to a Theatre Near You?

RE
Posted: 12 months ago by deflationista #3835
panseptic:

excellent analysis...
Posted: 12 months ago by steve from virginia #3834
More food for though by excellent superstar Nicole!

What did Yogi Berra say? "Prediction is very hard, especially about the future ..."

Best to just look at what is underway now and let the future -- and predictions -- take care of themselves.

- Funny business in Europe as rates rise during deflation under a hard-currency regime. Europe carries a lot of debt ... but they carried the same amount of debt last year and nearly the same the year before. Why a problem now?

- The real currency traps (which is what Nicole is describing) in the US is our stuff. When gas is rationed, the $50,000 SUV is worth $5,000, if that. The furniture, the swimming pools, the vacation houses all are becoming worthless. This is because they are, from the get-go! There is no need to rob peoples' bank accounts because they are 'auto-emptied' for nothing by the account holders themselves.

- Actually restricting banking would be counterproductive because fewer depositors would be able to auto empty their accounts!

- As time passes and failures mount, authority breaks down rather than gets stronger. Perhaps a more effective regime would turn this around, otherwise bribery becomes the way to navigate authorities.

- An effective regime would have less problems with capital flows both to and from. Bank runs underway is foot-vote against the establishment.

- Bank runs are consequence when central banks (appear to) make unsecured loans. When done, there is effectively no lender of last resort ... even when the central bank tries hardest to be one!

- Even in Greece there is no sign that civil society has collapsed, however people are more poor than they were a year ago. Americans have agonies about doing without. Poverty by itself is not collapse, it means the absence of consumer goods and wastefulness. What is taking place right now is conservation by other means. The outcome of this process is decreasing utility of the stuff we populate our lives with. These junky items represent a (very large) cash investment. In a way, the US has been throwing its money away since the end of World War II.

- Mad Max isn't happening so far but Woodstock might not be out of the question ...


Posted: 12 months ago by pansceptic #3832
Hircus, it is true that rural areas are low population because life is more difficult there. That's why there has been a century-long migration from rural agricultural areas into cities, all over the world. Permaculture-style production of your own food exposes you to the vagarities of rainfall, diseases, insect infestations, soil loss, etc, so the agricultural surpluses created by the mechanization of agriculture made it less of a struggle for people to survive in a city (or even a slum surrounding a major city).

However, the decline in available extrasolar energy will bring the mechanization of agriculture and long distance transport of food to an end, so reversing the migration into the cities. Eventually food distribution failures and impossible levels of crime in the cities will make life in rural areas more attractive for many than the cities.

I also disagree that "ownership" (subject to taxes) of productive land will necessarily make the owner a target of the authorities. If the level of production is very low-scale and remote from transportation arteries, it won't be worth the energy of the authorities to make any real effort to seize production (a losing proposition for them). This is one of the reasons my ancestors literally headed for the hills; it really impedes the "damnedrevenoooers" (till I was 10 I thought it was one word 'cause they always came together

I will also suggest considering the third-world parts of the US before bugging out to a foriegn country where gringos stand out like a sore thumb. When I lived in Mississippi in the mid 1960s, that's where the 'third world sweatshops' were. My father worked at the local "garment plant" as an industrial engineer (slave driver with a clipboard). A punitive, victorious Union had exacerbated the depression caused by the South's loss of their economic system, resulting in a depression that continues in some ways to the present. Consider Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi and West Virginia as pre-collapsed for your shopping convenience - they have a lot less far to fall!
Posted: 12 months ago by Hircus #3812
Reverse Engineer wrote:

Buy nothing you cannot Carry with you and Protect and Defend. Ownership of Land is a Chimera, always has been.

Have as little as possible to defend, so you are not a Target. Anyone purporting to OWN the land is a Target.

Go as far out as you possibly can from the center of the collapse, hopefully past the Event Horizon. Lowest population zones are best. High population zones are DEATH TRAPS.

Join with others, make a Tribe, Clan, Gang or Community. Do not try to suvive on your own. You cannot.

Depend on NO form of "money". Barter only. Reject all forms of money pitched out by the elite to "Save the Day", PMs or otherwise As any have ever been constructed through all of history, all are lies.

All the "wealth" constructed here from the Age of Ag and the Age of Oil is going down now, and depending on any of that is a mistake. Only your Wits, your Skllls and your Connections to others now represent true wealth. Build all of them as best you can, and GTFO of the Big Shities as fast as you can.

The Big Show is Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You.

RE


There's one problem with low population zones: they have a low population for a reason. Usually that means that even in the best of situations it's exceedingly difficult to survive/thrive there. And we're not talking about ideal situations. Especially as others get the same idea and enter your sphere. The existing, low-density resources will be drawn down rapidly, most likely at an unsustainable rate.

Couldn't agree with you more on building community, though.
Posted: 12 months ago by Reverse Engineer #3802
Hircus wrote:
riesterm wrote:

The question(s) I wrestle with are "do I spend my cash on land now -- before my cash loses its value? Or, do I wait for deflation and take advantage of the "cash is king" adage?


Buying productive land now might be a wise choice. As long as you have enough capital to pay for it and living expenses (including property taxes on said property) for a few years after. I imagine tax collection and loan collection may be much more draconian as finances become tighter.

Also, what type of land makes a big difference on if it's a good idea for you -- farmland, wooded hills, desert, suburban homes, and frozen tundra all have different utilities, and my depreciate at different rates and absolute amount over the next few years.

So yeah, no easy answers I can see.


Buy nothing you cannot Carry with you and Protect and Defend. Ownership of Land is a Chimera, always has been.

Have as little as possible to defend, so you are not a Target. Anyone purporting to OWN the land is a Target.

Go as far out as you possibly can from the center of the collapse, hopefully past the Event Horizon. Lowest population zones are best. High population zones are DEATH TRAPS.

Join with others, make a Tribe, Clan, Gang or Community. Do not try to suvive on your own. You cannot.

Depend on NO form of "money". Barter only. Reject all forms of money pitched out by the elite to "Save the Day", PMs or otherwise As any have ever been constructed through all of history, all are lies.

All the "wealth" constructed here from the Age of Ag and the Age of Oil is going down now, and depending on any of that is a mistake. Only your Wits, your Skllls and your Connections to others now represent true wealth. Build all of them as best you can, and GTFO of the Big Shities as fast as you can.

The Big Show is Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You.

RE
Posted: 12 months ago by davefairtex #3801
otto matic -

You know, it seemed only hours after I posted my note, I saw that exact same news article!
Posted: 12 months ago by Golden Oxen #3790
Reply to sangell. Your posting brought back fond images of Captain Nemo and the Nautilus. James Mason was a great actor who played the part perfectly. A nice vessel to own in these times sangell, even if it was fictional.
Posted: 12 months ago by sangell #3789
Excellant article but, they say the only things you can really own are the things in your head. Next to that I'd suggest the next best 'doomsday' survival asset is an ocean going sailboat. It is both a secure home, an escape option and something that is intrinsically valuable in any medium of exchange. 5 acres in the woods isn't going to protect you if a SWAT team shows up and gold buried in the backyard is worthless if 9 grams of lead hits you at 1000 feet per second but being able to stay offshore and cross an ocean without going through an airport just might.
Posted: 12 months ago by Hircus #3783
riesterm wrote:

The question(s) I wrestle with are "do I spend my cash on land now -- before my cash loses its value? Or, do I wait for deflation and take advantage of the "cash is king" adage?


Buying productive land now might be a wise choice. As long as you have enough capital to pay for it and living expenses (including property taxes on said property) for a few years after. I imagine tax collection and loan collection may be much more draconian as finances become tighter.

Also, what type of land makes a big difference on if it's a good idea for you -- farmland, wooded hills, desert, suburban homes, and frozen tundra all have different utilities, and my depreciate at different rates and absolute amount over the next few years.

So yeah, no easy answers I can see.
Posted: 12 months ago by riesterm #3777
Thank-you, Ash for your "no truly safe "safe havens" reminder. However, moving right down the supposed "safe haven" list, the one that may be safer than the rest is productive land.

The question(s) I wrestle with are "do I spend my cash on land now -- before my cash loses its value? Or, do I wait for deflation and take advantage of the "cash is king" adage?

Thanks to all who are willing to share their perspective.
Posted: 12 months ago by draego454 #3773
>> Where national interest become paramount, and the interests of the collective are lost

And this is the great failure of globalism. To allow any critical activity to be offshored to another nation who is supposedly more "efficient" at that activity is begging for catastrophic failure. Nations who once could feed themselves were facing starvation a few years ago during the grain shortages (wheat, corn, rice, etc.). The nation that INVENTED the semiconductor, who relies on this technology for its military defense (and innumerable other critical activities) has allowed primary mfg of semiconductors to be offshored. What happens if there is a disagreement between these two parties??? The examples go on. The only thing that globalism does is make rich people richer and destroy the middle class.

A system that works 99% of the time but blows your brains out the other 1% can not be considered successful.

Steven in Dallas
Posted: 12 months ago by Otto Matic #3771
@davefairtex

"...One thing that struck me. I find it interesting that Switzerland is quite concerned about currency flows, but no mention is made of restricting the flow of gold into the country."

Check this out:

Italian Police Seize Gold Worth €2m at Swiss Border

Cool :>)

Italian police seize gold worth €2m at Swiss border

Businessman and his daughter charged with smuggling after haul is found in hidden compartment of his car

"...Italian tax police have seized 50kg (110lb) of gold from an Italian businessman at the Swiss border...."

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/19/italy-gold-seized-swiss-border
Posted: 12 months ago by ashvin #3768
riesterm wrote:
desert_planet: I did not mean to imply a reversal of Nicole's opinion. Rather, I was checking to see if she still felt local institutions, particularly credit unions, were a "safe" haven for cash.

TheTrivium4TW appears not to think so.


I think these questions really come down to what level of risk are you willing to be exposed to and for how long, because there will always be numerous uncertainties involved over the upcoming years. Nothing is completely safe, and that includes your local credit union (and your TD account for that matter). But neither is stashing tens of thousands of dollars under your mattress, or even in a well-built safe. So you're going to have to make some decisions that are based on guesstimates of the risks involved, which will depend on the macroeconomic situation as well as your personal circumstances (and, of course, any ethical issues you may have).

As long as the markets are fixated on the Eurozone, it is unlikely that people will be frozen out of their bank deposits over here. The fact that contagion from an event over there could potentially spread over here at a very rapid pace, though, makes it unwise to keep a lot of your cash wealth in TBTSTD (too big to save the depositor) banks. And that applies to allegedly "allocated" gold accounts just as much. Beyond that, one has to make a judgment call about how best to distribute surplus cash resources (above and beyond what's required for weekly/monthly spending) between local banking institutions, your home and physical assets.

But, no, there are no truly safe "safe havens".
Posted: 12 months ago by ashvin #3767
Otto Matic wrote:
It's interesting to see the 'flight to safety', long predicted by TAE, supporting the U.S. dollar and the TBTF U.S. banks. They knew this all along and baked it into the 'collapse cake'. The whole Eurozone is the 'periphery' of the U.S. and will be cannibalized accordingly with capital flight which will be overtly AND covertly encouraged, added and abetted by the US government and their banking syndicate Owners. A few more Happy Days bought for the Zombie 'citizens' of the U.S.! The frogs ain't boiled yet!


Yes indeed, slaughter-house finance is alive and well:

And that's where we return to the IMF's little "hint" in its report from last week. The financial elites do not need anyone to buy ALL of the bonds, only those that are most important to maintaining their wealth extraction operations. The weak players? Well, they can all fight over the scraps and devour themselves in the financial marketplace. The truly significant capital will be transported towards a few central locations by natural forces and by human design, like lambs to the inevitable slaughter. Of these locations, the most critical are surely the U.S. Treasury market, which can be used to support major U.S. banks, and the U.S. currency market.

What are the chances that the majority of people who find themselves invested in U.S. government bonds and the dollar will get anything close to a return on their investment over 10, 20 or 30 years? The answer to that is probably a massively negative percentage, because the psychological pain of holding on for that long will be even worse than the total wipe out itself. However, the herd typically doesn't figure out how close they were to the edge of the cliff until after they are tumbling down the other side.

Stoneleigh at The Automatic Earth has repeatedly pointed out that people in such fearful environments tend to discount the future by an increasing rate, which means they care less and less about what will happen several decades, years or even months from the present time. The discount situation of financial elites is similar because they know how precarious the dollar-based financial markets are, so their concern is over whether they can corral all of the lambs into one or two places over a relatively short time period. So far, most of the evidence says that not only is it possible, but the process is already well under way.

...

The cities of Greece continue to erupt in violence as its citizens are forced to bail out European banks, and, meanwhile, Americans continue to mistake their own reflections in the global mirror. Earlier this year, Standard & Poor's rating agency downgraded the outlook for the triple-A rated status of Treasury bonds (from "stable" to "negative"), in what was nothing less than an act of aiding and abetting the politicians, bankers and major corporate executives who strive for the imposition of austerity on everyone but themselves. The only difference between Greece and the U.S. is that the latter is not a "weak player" in the eyes of elite institutions, such as the IMF. Which means that, while the Greek taxpayers may soon be put out of their misery, we will die a much slower death, choking on our own debt for years to come.
Posted: 12 months ago by zby #3764
What about bitcoins?

It is of course another pyramid scheme (but isn't that inseparable from the definition of money?) - and a very, very risky bet - but on the other hand as long as internet works they are probably the most liquid asset possible and might be a good way to workaround any capital controls.
Posted: 12 months ago by seychelles #3763
Concise and powerful summary, as always by Stoneleigh. But one would think that devotees of this site would have thought through and initiated logical...but alas perhaps not appropriate.... defensive measures YEARS ago. We will only know for sure if our protective moves have been successful in retrospect, as the monsterPonzi implodes. And flexibility will almost certainly be in order, as TPTB are likely to change game rules abruptly to squash those slow to adapt. Confiscation of gold, outlawing and /or taxation of cash transactions and selective defaulting on payment of interest and principal on foreign-held debt are nightmare scenarios that may occur. Suffocating totalitarianism will be in place if digital money becomes our exclusive legal tender. My local credit unions generally refuse to connect with Treasury Direct, probably because they do not want to be confronted with the possibility of large (even non-cash) withdrawals. Some of the megabanks, such as BNY Mellon, also will not hook up with Treasury Direct. But who here would want an "account" with them, anyway?
Posted: 12 months ago by scandia #3758
Duh, I am embarassed to reveal I don't know what an offshore account is. I hear lots of people have them. Are they purely electronic? In any case if one has one how will it be able to function under capital controls? How can money from an offshore account be transferred to a bank in the system where one lives?
Posted: 12 months ago by linda #3753
Hi there. I generally lurk. About a year ago I asked the best way to purchase silver. I've lost the response. Somewhere out west I think and the most common coin to buy. Ideas? Thanks in advance. BTW--loved the article. Keep up the good work.
Posted: 12 months ago by Otto Matic #3752
It's interesting to see the 'flight to safety', long predicted by TAE, supporting the U.S. dollar and the TBTF U.S. banks. They knew this all along and baked it into the 'collapse cake'. The whole Eurozone is the 'periphery' of the U.S. and will be cannibalized accordingly with capital flight which will be overtly AND covertly encouraged, added and abetted by the US government and their banking syndicate Owners. A few more Happy Days bought for the Zombie 'citizens' of the U.S.! The frogs ain't boiled yet!

One of the newest desperation faux bailout schemes proposed in the EU (German banks) is to provide bailout funds to the PIIGS backed by the borrowing country's own gold reserves as collateral. Fabulous idea!

Italy, as an example, has some 2500 tons of gold. They would lose it all if they failed to repay the bailout 'loan' from the Euro Trashcrats, a sure thing given the death spiral nature of events.

Ironically, the huge chunk of Germany's own gold it held in NYC at the 'Federal' Reserve vault. The comment about how unsafe safe deposit boxes are applies here in spades for Deutschland's gold.

Germany sucks it's periphery dry, the U.S sucks Germany dry, thank you very much.

I wonder how Germany plans on being payed for it's exports? Manufacturer financed payment/loans?

Charge interest to the periphery for products they can no longer afford with loans they can't service.

The noose tightens.
Posted: 12 months ago by riesterm #3748
desert_planet: I did not mean to imply a reversal of Nicole's opinion. Rather, I was checking to see if she still felt local institutions, particularly credit unions, were a "safe" haven for cash.

TheTrivium4TW appears not to think so.
Posted: 1 year ago by TheTrivium4TW #3736
Hi Nicole,

Thanks for the timely article. Please keep the analysis coming as more events "break."

A question for you, Ilargi, Ashvin and Commentariat... If one were to keep a sizeable chunk of change at Treasury Direct (in the US, obviously), what would happen if the credit union one used was forced to "limit withdrawals?"

Wouldn't the Treasury Direct stash of cash become be restricted to the withdrawal limits?

riesterm, I wouldn't trust credit unions more than banks b/c I can easily see banking restrictions mandated across all institutions.

I would, however, recommend using a reasonably solvent local credit union over a criminal Big Finance Capital mega banking institution unless you like directly paying for the financial knife that will be used to slit our nation's financial throat.









 

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