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Both Tortuous and Torturous (Craig Murray)
Judge Keeps Assange In Prison, Despite Ruling Against Extradition (Gosztola)
Trump Pledges ‘Orderly’ Transition After Riot And Biden Win Certification (CNN)
US Gets The Kind Of ‘Democracy’ It Championed Overseas (Malic)
GOP-Led Senate Rejects PA Election Results Challenge (JTN)
Georgia Dems Relied Heavily on Massive Corporate War Chest (MPN)
Everything He Says Or Does Turns Instantly Into A Crime (Turley)
China Says ‘Preparatory Work’ Needed For WHO Visit To Trace Corona Origin (RT)

 

 

Well, that was fun. It was also entirely predictable. There are far too many questions surrounding the US election, even if Trump’s legal teams botched the job of presenting them. You would expect people to swear never to use another voting machine, but nobody does it. The principle is simple: if these machines can be manipulated, they will be. Ditch them.

Of course last night’s events are presented as insurrection, a coup, treason. But come on. 3 people died of medical emergencies, and the one person who was shot was a female Air Force veteran protesting for Trump. No politician was hurt.

There are quite a few pictures of the anti-Kavanaugh crew protesting inside the Capitol in 2018, and none of them are described as depicting a coup. Calm down. And learn: if this is how you are going to run elections, you should not be surprised if these are the reactions you get. Count yourself lucky that they weren’t much worse.

 

 

 

 

Craig Murray’s optimism was hammered. Time for a higher court.

Both Tortuous and Torturous (Craig Murray)

All of Julian’s team were optimistic before this hearing and it seems perverse that, a judgement against extradition having been made, Julian should continue to be held in high security prison pending the US government appeal. He has already been in jail for over 14 months just in the extradition matter, after the expiry of his unprecedentedly harsh sentence for bail-jumping. In effect, having already served that sentence, Julian is now being punished again for the same offence, spending years in extreme prison conditions purely because he once jumped bail, for which he already served the full sentence. The logic of holding Julian now is simply not there, given the current legal position is that he is not being extradited. Furthermore this continuing raising and lowering of his spirits, and never-ending incarceration with no fixed limit, is destroying his fragile health.

Baraitser has played cat and mouse this week. Julian is living his life in conditions both torturous and tortuous. It is ironic to hear Baraitser declare in condemnatory tones, without equivocation, that Julian only entered the Embassy to escape extradition to the USA. This is of course perfectly true. But I remember the many years when the Establishment line, from the government and repeated in several hundred Guardian columns, was that this truth was a fiction. They claimed there was never any intention to extradite to the USA, and actually he was avoiding extradition to Sweden, on allegations that never had any basis and which disappeared like mist when the time actually came. I suppose we should be grateful for at least this much truth in proceedings.

Today’s judgement makes plain that whatever is happening with Monday’s judgement, it is not genuinely motivated by concern for Julian’s health. Yanis Varoufakis yesterday stated that the ultimate aim is still to kill Julian through the penal system. Nothing that happened today would contradict him. The extraordinary figure of only 3 Covid infections in Belmarsh is very hard to believe and contradicts all previous information. Plainly Covid is less of a risk than anywhere else in London, and perhaps we should all break in to improve our isolation and safety. The only explanation that occurs to me is that the vast majority of prisoners are denied access to testing and are therefore not confirmed cases. or that the prison has chosen to give testing results for a single day and chosen to misrepresent the meaning of the statistic.

In fact the point is not central to the bail application, but as a possible example of yet further malfeasance by the Belmarsh medical team, it is particularly intriguing. The decision not to grant bail can be appealed to the High Court. I expect that will happen (there has been no chance yet to consult Julian’s wishes), and happen in about a fortnight.

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“Assange has not seen his family in person since March 2020..”

Judge Keeps Assange In Prison, Despite Ruling Against Extradition (Gosztola)

A British district judge denied bail for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange after a hearing in which the prosecution argued he had helped NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden “flee justice” and would abscond if released from the Belmarsh high-security prison. “As far as Mr. Assange is concerned, this case has not been won,” Judge Vanessa Baraitser declared. She said the United States government “must be allowed to challenge [her] decision.” Baraitser referred to the lengthy history of the case and how he “jumped bail” and entered the Ecuador Embassy to obtain asylum in 2012. She went on to highlight the “huge support networks” he still has “should he again choose to go to ground,” and Baraitser agreed with the prosecution that WikiLeaks’ assistance of Snowden made Assange a flight risk.

Assange has been confined at Belmarsh since he was arrested and expelled from the Ecuador embassy in April 2019. All along, Judge Vanessa Baraitser agreed with prosecutors that he was a flight risk. “Mr. Assange’s past conduct shows the lengths he is prepared to go to avoid extradition proceedings. If I released him today, he would not return to face these extradition proceedings,” Baraitser declared during a hearing in March 2020, when the COVID-19 pandemic was initially intensifying worldwide. In her ruling on bail, despite evidence of a recent outbreak at Belmarsh, the judge maintained that the facility was properly caring for prisoners and Assange would be safe.

Edward Fitzgerald, an attorney for Assange, argued the extradition decision changed any motive Assange would have to flee London before the case was resolved. In fact, the extradition decision came with an order of discharge for Assange. “The logical outcome of the ruling would be he regains liberty at least conditionally,” Fitzgerald stated. Fitzgerald questioned whether the Justice Department is even serious about an appeal, given recent reporting on the incoming administration of President-elect Joe Biden. Although Fitzgerald indicated Assange would be willing to wear a GPS tracking device while under house arrest, the judge gave no reasoning why this would not be enough to prevent him from absconding before the date of his appeal. Assange has not seen his family in person since March 2020, and Belmarsh has suspended social visits. It is widely recognized that physical contact would alleviate the mental distress that factored into the judge’s decision against extradition.

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“Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th..”

Trump Pledges ‘Orderly’ Transition After Riot And Biden Win Certification (CNN)

President Donald Trump publicly acknowledged that he would leave office on January 20 for the first time Thursday, pledging an orderly transfer of power after Congress affirmed President-elect Joe Biden’s Electoral College win. “Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th,” Trump said in the statement, repeating false claims he has made throughout the last two months. “I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again.”


Trump, who has refused to concede the election, had on Wednesday egged on supporters who would later storm the US Capitol in an attempt to stop lawmakers from counting the electoral votes. The riot left four people dead — one woman was shot and three others had medical emergencies, according to police — and left some in Trump’s Cabinet holding preliminary talks about invoking the 25th Amendment to remove him from office, according to a well-placed GOP source. After a speech filled with lies and misrepresentations that incensed the crowd, Trump returned to the White House to watch a violent crescendo to his constant spreading of misinformation about the electoral process. The mob broke into the Capitol, stormed both the House and Senate floor and Trump supporters could be seen lounging in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office. A woman was shot and killed in the chaos. Police have yet to release more details about her death.

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“Ah, but this election wasn’t stolen, they’d say – it was pure as driven snow, “most secure ever,” all the experts who told us for four years the previous one was “hacked by Russia” tell us so!”

US Gets The Kind Of ‘Democracy’ It Championed Overseas (Malic)

A crowd of protesters stormed Congress protesting a presidential election they claimed had been fraudulent. When this happened in Serbia in 2000, the US called it democracy. When it happened in Washington, DC – not so much. Scenes from the US Capitol on Wednesday, as protesters backing President Donald Trump disrupted the joint session of Congress meeting to certify the election of Democrat Joe Biden, looked very much like Belgrade in October 2000. The sight was later repeated in Ukraine – twice, in 2004 and 2014 – Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, and several Central Asian former Soviet republics. On every occasion, the US backed the “people power,” because American NGOs and embassies were supporting what became known as “color revolutions.”

Same thing happened in 2011 with the “Arab Spring” that started in Tunisia and then burned its way across North Africa to the Persian Gulf. In some places it “succeeded,” overthrowing decades-old governments. In others it failed, setting off wars in Libya and Syria and blood on the streets of Bahrain. Again, the US cheered this on as democracy – except for Bahrain, which hosts a major naval base. More recently, the US denounced as illegitimate the presidential elections in Belarus, Bolivia and Venezuela. While Minsk and Caracas managed to resist – and got sanctioned for it – the “democrats” in La Paz were successful for a while, but ended up losing the vote last year.

Way back in 2004, the Guardian wrote approvingly about how the US has created a “slick” operation of “engineering democracy through the ballot box and civil disobedience,” developing since Belgrade a “template for winning other people’s elections.” Now the same mainstream media that slavishly followed the State Department line in denouncing elections elsewhere as “rigged” and color revolutions as spontaneous democracy are clutching their pearls when Americans who believe their election was stolen take to the streets and storm their Capitol. Ah, but this election wasn’t stolen, they’d say – it was pure as driven snow, “most secure ever,” all the experts who told us for four years the previous one was “hacked by Russia” tell us so! And Joe Biden won the most votes in history while hardly leaving his basement.

Whether you believe this official narrative about the US election or not doesn’t really matter, however. Partisan myopia simply won’t let people understand the magnitude of what is on display here: utter moral bankruptcy of the entire US political and media establishment.

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Obviously.

GOP-Led Senate Rejects PA Election Results Challenge (JTN)

Both chambers of the U.S. Congress resoundingly rejected an objection to the election results in Arizona. The votes came after protesters breached security and swarmed the U.S. Capitol building earlier on Wednesday. The Senate rejected the objection by a 93-6 vote while the House vote was 303-121, with greater than half of the GOP House conference seeking to reject the state’s electoral slate. Congress reconvened in a joint session to certify the election results in other states. Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks objected to the Nebraska results but did not have a signature from a U.S. senator.


Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Scott Perry objected to certifying Pennsylvania and had Missouri Republican Sen. Josh Hawley’s signature. Republican lawmakers like Pennsylvania Rep. Glenn Thompson have argued that the state government circumvented the legislature to make last minute changes to election law. The House and Senate then entered into separate sessions to debate the objection. The Senate rejected the challenge to Pennsylvania’s electoral votes with a 92-7 vote.

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The amounts are amazing. Are you sure you want your elections to be for sale?

Georgia Dems Relied Heavily on Massive Corporate War Chest (MPN)

In order to beat GOP incumbents David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler in the Georgia Senate elections, Democrats had to spend big, raising hundreds of millions of dollars in the process. The two Georgia Senate elections — called today for the Democrats — were easily the most costly in history, amounting to nearly $830 million in total ($468 million for the race between Democrat Joey Ossoff and Republican David Perdue and more than $361 million for the special election between Democrat Rev. Raphael Warnock and Republican Kelly Loeffler.

The Democrats’ massive war chest came in no small part from hefty contributions from corporate America. According to data from the Center for Responsive Politics, tech companies rallied around the Democratic challengers, plying the two campaigns with millions of dollars. Alphabet Inc., Google’s parent organization, was the largest single source of funds, their PACs, shareholders, or employees donating almost $1 million to Ossoff’s campaign alone with other big tech companies cracking his top ten, all with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of donations from the like of Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, and AT&T. The rest of the top ten were made up by universities.

The Republican candidates also relied on large corporations for much of their funding. Perdue’s biggest donors included Delta Airlines, Home Depot, Goldman Sachs, and Bank of America, while Loeffler was generously supported by oil and chemical giant Koch Industries as well as a number of financial institutions like Ryan LLC and Blackstone Group. However, Democrats decisively outraised their opponents, giving them a critical edge. Ossoff outraised Perdue by $138 million to $89 million while Warnock received $124 million to Loeffler’s $92 million. With over 98% of the votes counted, Warnock has been declared the winner, with 50.6% of the vote. Ossoff, meanwhile, is all but assured of winning as well, and has already declared victory.

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Trump’s Midas touch.

Everything He Says Or Does Turns Instantly Into A Crime (Turley)

For many legal analysts, President Trump remains a type of criminal Midas figure: everything he says or does turns instantly into a crime. This pattern is continuing to the very end of the Trump administration. Within minutes of the leaking of a Saturday call between Trump and Georgia election officials, the same experts were declaring yet another clear crime. The loudest was Andrew Weissmann, whose desire to find a crime to use against Trump appears to be moving from the obsessional to the delusional. Since his departure as the top deputy to Special Counsel Robert Mueller, Weissmann (now an MSNBC analyst) seems intent on proving his critics correct about his profound bias against President Trump.

Weissmann recently called for prosecutors to use grand juries to pursue Trump and others in an unrelenting campaign based on unfounded legal theories. Now he is claiming that the president’s call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger is clear evidence of a criminal act. While I clearly come to these questions from the counter perspective of a criminal defense attorney, the claim is legally absurd. When the tape was released, many of us immediately criticized the statement of the president that “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.” However, experts immediately declared this yet another clear criminal act and some people even called for a type of twilight impeachment in the last couple weeks of the Trump administration. Weissmann declared that the tape showed “criminal intent” as well as “proof of his motive and his pattern of similar activity.”

The problem is that Weissmann again left the criminal code and controlling case law behind in his blind pursuit of Trump. As with the obstruction allegations investigated by Mueller and the Ukrainian call that was the basis for Trump’s impeachment by the House of Representatives, this comes down to a question of intent. While most experts are notably vague on the specific criminal provision, one possibility would be election fraud under 52 U.S. 20511. However, such an interpretation comes to a full stop at intent — a required showing of “knowingly and willfully” acting to subvert voting. The call Trump participated in was a settlement discussion over election challenges with a variety of lawyers present, not some backroom at the Bada Bing club. The entire stated purpose of the challenges was to count what the Trump campaign alleged were uncounted votes that far surpassed the 11,780 deficit.

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We only had one year!

China Says ‘Preparatory Work’ Needed For WHO Visit To Trace Corona Origin (RT)

Beijing has said its health authorities are not yet in a position to receive a delegation from the WHO, after the world health body’s boss said he was “very disappointed” China hasn’t granted entry to Covid experts. Speaking on Wednesday during a regular press briefing, Hua Chunying, a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, said the authorities were still preparing themselves for the visit by the ten World Health Organization (WHO) experts. The WHO disease team was scheduled to visit Wuhan in early January to trace the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic, but they have not had their visas issued. “China still overcomes difficulties, accelerates internal preparatory work, and tries its best to create good conditions for international expert groups to come to China to carry out traceability cooperation,” Hua told reporters.

“In order to ensure the smooth progress of the international expert group’s work in China, it is necessary to perform necessary procedures and make relevant specific arrangements.” The spokeswoman claimed that China has always adopted an open, transparent and responsible attitude to promoting international traceability research, and had previously invited a WHO team to visit the country. Hua added that Chinese experts have frequently shared honest evidence with global bodies and they remain in regular communication with the WHO. The comments come as WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said he was “very disappointed” that Beijing had still not authorized the entry of his team of experts.

“Today, we learned that Chinese officials have not yet finalized the necessary permissions for the team’s arrival in China. I am very disappointed with this news,” Ghebreyesus said during a virtual news briefing on Tuesday. It was reported that two members of the ten-man team had already commenced their journeys to China on Tuesday before being informed that their visas had not yet been granted.

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This topic contains 61 replies, has 19 voices, and was last updated by  jsnyder62@gmail.com 2 weeks, 1 day ago.

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  • #67895

    chettt
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    A quick search will show that the “Viking” double agent is not and has never been a BLM supporter. The picture being bandied about showing him at both the AZ BLM rally and the DC Trump rally is misleading as hell and is cropped to hide the fact that he is carrying a “Q sent me” poster.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-protester-capitol-antifa-qa/fact-check-man-with-painted-face-wearing-fur-and-horns-rallied-for-trump-and-qanon-not-antifa-or-blm-idUSKBN29C0BP

    #67896

    madamski
    Participant

    @ jsnyder62@gmail.com

    My impression is that we come here to vent, get some sense of temporary relief, a touch of camaraderie, obtain some idea of what reports are accurate enough to mentally digest, amuse ourselves, show off a bit, and even exchange ideas.

    I note that you didn’t provide any solution-oriented material in your post.

    Got some? Wanna share? Got some capital we can borrow? I’m broke.

    #67897

    madamski
    Participant

    As for John Sullivan from Utah, the assumption that his presence somehow stinks is just that.

    This article sheds some light:

    Utahn inside US Capitol describes chaotic scene

    His words, however, do smell funny to me. He estimated there were 10K people in the Capitol. Another reporter estimated 1K pushing at the inauguration stage. BUt what do I know? I haven’t done the math. Maybe 10K is a reasonmable estimate.

    I think it hardly matters insomuch as you can’t polish a turd. False flag “color” revolutions only work if the populace is already unhappy with their governments. Whoever is pulling whomever’s strings behind the scenes, the unhappiness and discontent they manipulate is genuine.

    Divide’n’conquer. BLM/Antifa vs Q-anon/Proud Boys. We love to look down on the other.

    #67898

    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    346 dead, criminal charges get settled with a fine, and most of the $2.5bn goes to airline companies.

    Boeing to pay $2.5bn to settle criminal charges stemming from 737 MAX crisis

    Dominic Gates of the Seattle Times points out that “Only $243.6 million, less than 10%, is a fine for the criminal conduct. And Boeing must pay an additional $500 million compensation to the MAX crash victim families. However, 70% of the $2.5 billion cited is compensation to airline customers that Boeing has already agreed to pay.”

    https://leehamnews.com/2021/01/07/boeing-to-pay-2-5bn-in-settle-criminal-charges-stemming-from-737-max-crisis/

    #67899

    madamski
    Participant

    “A quick search will show that the “Viking” double agent is not and has never been a BLM supporter.”

    Close. The correct version would be that no evidence as yet demonstrates that he is a BLM supporter or a double-agent, but there is evidence that he supports and is involved in the Trump jihad. Proving a negative is difficult, like squaring a circle.

    I’ll venture this paranoiac notion: he could indeed be a paid agent provocateur aimed at the q-anon crowd to incite them to violence and rabid displays. That the q-right has taken a liking to a photocropped deception adds further confusion and distrust, which Emperor Palpatine always enjoys.

    One problem with crowds is that accountability and credibility lessens as numbers increase. Get that many dogs together there’s bound to be a son of a bitch in the bunch.

    Old school perspective

    Debris

    “There’s more trouble at the depot
    With the general workers union
    And you said, “They’ll never change a thing
    Well, they won’t fight and they’re not working”

    #67900

    madamski
    Participant

    And now, a brief moment of reflective sanity:

    The Moral Dilemma of Every Color Revolution Coup and Democratic Security Movement

    “The world is divided over Wednesday’s events in Washington DC and whether or not the protesters were justified in storming the US Capitol to protest what they sincerely believe was last year’s rigged election. In my analysis later that day titled “Color Revolution In DC: Anti-Constitutional Coup Or Democratic Security Movement?”, I explained that the difference between Color Revolution coups and “Democratic Security” movements is intent since they both practically employ the same political technologies. The former aims for regime change and was represented most notoriously in recent months by Antifa and “Black Lives Matter” (BLM), whereas the latter aspires for regime reinforcement (the opposite of regime change) and is driven by members of the “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) movement that Trump inspired. What’s most interesting to observe when discussing these two very similarly executed events is that each side passionately hates the other despite embracing the same tactics. It’s also curious to note that the Mainstream Media vehemently supported Antifa-BLM but is dead-set against its MAGA manifestation.

    “On the surface, it appears as though both sides are behaving hypocritically, but the reality is that they each have their reasons for holding their respective positions. The moral dilemma of every Color Revolution coup and “Democratic Security” movement is whether or not they’re legitimate, which is a subjective determination made by each and every person based primarily upon the political cause that they strive to advance. Upon reaching a decision on this, each person then asks themselves whether “the ends justify the means” or not. In fact, since Color Revolution coups are strategically offensive whereas “Democratic Security” movements are strategically defensive, it can even be said that labeling each manifestation as one or the other implies tacit support or opposition to whatever the cause may be. Playing devil’s advocate, Antifa-BLM wanted to violently overthrow Trump, yet they sincerely believed that they were doing so to defend democracy. Regarding MAGA, it resorted to violence to stop the steal which they sincerely believed had defrauded democracy. In other words, both movements are simultaneously Color Revolution coups and “Democratic Security” movements.”

    #67901

    jsnyder62@gmail.com
    Participant

    Mr. House, the only party I envision is new forms of communes, small collectives and monasteries to ride out the latest iteration of the collapse of the Roman Empire.

    Btw, I’m “tagio” over at Tim Morgan’s site.

    #67902

    Mr. House
    Participant

    Welcome Tagio! Enjoy your posts generally. Tim has some good points and such, but part of me thinks he is naive i suppose. Another dark age eh?

    #67903

    Mr. House
    Participant

    Another dark age would truly be a great reset 😉 but more fair in a strange way.

    #67904

    WES
    Participant

    The circle Dr. D posted is very apt.

    What it reminds me is of the Roman empire, especially it’s demise stage.

    Rome’s demise started with the state purposely destroying it’s middle class, the very foundation of the empire. Rome’s decline was driven by the ruling elites constant desire for ever more power and wealth.

    Free Roman citizens made up Rome’s middle class. They were made up of independent small land owning farmers, trades people, merchants, etc. who created Rome’s initial wealth. They were also the source of Rome’s early military might.

    As the Roman empire expanded, things slowly started to change over time. Success sowed the seeds of failure. The rich became very rich. The rich obtained slaves. Slaves started displacing free Romans by undercutting their wages to the point free Romans could no longer compete (open borders- sound familiar?).

    The elites wanting ever more power and wealth, began increasing taxes on free Roman citizens, passed laws restricting what economic activities free Romans could do to earn a living to reduce competition to their monopolies (corporate farming, walmart, google, amazon, – sound familiar?). This forced many productive free Romans to flee to the conquered provinces, like Spain, to survive.

    Eventfully taxes rose so high that small free Roman farmers could no longer pay the land taxes and faced imprisonment. The only escape was to seek protection under an elite landowner, thus becoming tenant farmers on their own land! (debt slaves – sound familiar?)

    Once there were no productive free Romans left in Rome, the elites had to put on bread and circus (state welfare/stimulus checks – sound familiar?) shows at the Coliseum. The bread came from enslaved Egypt (poor buggers!).

    Roman armies became 100% mercenary, leading to a succession of successful elite Roman generals marching on Rome to oust other Roman elites! (Ceasar crossing Rubicon/Biden’s election fraud – sound familiar?)

    After the elites (Dem/Rep uniparty) had become so corrupt, debasing the money, having laid waste to Rome’s foundation, by destroying it’s free Roman middle class, the barbarians started coming and knocking on Rome’s doors! The elites could no longer raise an army of free Romans (because there were no free Romans, only slaves – US army says less than 25% (marines 7%) of Americans suitable to join – sound familiar?), with which to defend themselves, as their unpaid mercenaries had fled.

    We are experiencing Rome all over again! We don’t study history anymore. It more than rhymes!

    #67905

    Mr. House
    Participant

    Excellent recap WES

    Fiat justitia ruat caelum

    #67906

    chettt
    Participant

    @M
    Paranoid notion indeed but, in these times, in this land, not at all out of the question. Just flash a few greenbacks around and you can get people to bark like seals and most anything else.

    #67907

    WES
    Participant

    Chettt:

    What are you going to do, after waving a few greenbacks, the seals don’t bark?

    Blame; the seals for being stupid, or the greenbacks for being worthless?

    #67908

    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    In Australia the ABC is telling us “how an armed mob forced its way into one of Washington DC’s buildings.” As we would expect, my reading on this site and other non-MSM sources sorta contradicts that.

    People here who rely on the MSM for their ideas, values and opinions seem to end up regarding Trump as only evil continually, a treasonous psychopath who is best erased from history.

    By the way, the US and modern France were set up as countries of The Enlightenment. God was part of the arrangement but mainly in an Epicurean sense, i.e. very far away and not playing all that much part in worldly systems. “God’s in His heaven, all’s right with the world.” I suggest we are seeing the long-term results of those experiments in society and governance.

    It’d be nice to Make America Great, oops, GOOD Again (MAGA) but at the moment it looks more like Got America Griping Again, or GAGA. So sad.

    #67909

    Mr. House
    Participant

    The way the media is reacting you’d think we’ve had our reichstag fire. Except the person they’re accusing it of, doesn’t feel like the one who orchestrated it.

    #67911

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    People here who rely on the MSM for their ideas, values and opinions seem to end up regarding Trump as only evil continually, a treasonous psychopath who is best erased from history.

    Sad really; nothing and nobody, should be erased from history for any reason, if the history is accurate to the events…
    Regardless of how one views Trump; he represents an important milestone in the ongoing flow of the history of the U.S….

    #67912

    Geppetto
    Participant

    @john Day

    Not sure if you saw this or pointed it out back in September. Came across it surfing around.

    https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/the-first-clinical-trial-to-support-vitamin-d-therapy-for-covid-19-906a9d907468

    #67913

    Geppetto
    Participant

    A little tidbit on the other end from the ‘narrative’

    Great film, cinematography and an outstanding soundtrack:

    #67914

    Boogaloo
    Participant

    @wes

    I have a different view of the history of the collapse of Rome.

    The key decision came in 325AD when Constantine the Great decided to move the capital to Constantinople. Almost all of the aristocracy went with him. The only lasting institution that was left in Rome was the Roman Catholic Church, which is why the church grew as powerful as it did. The church stepped in to fill the power vacuum — and along the way adopted a centralized top down power structure that was always shunned in the east.

    Although there were periods over the next 200 years where there was both a Western Empire and an Eastern Empire, Constantinople was the seat of real power, and the great estates of Anatolia generated much of the Empire’s wealth.

    The Fall of Rome cannot be properly understood except in connection with the Rise of Constantinople — which continued on, and continued to prosper — for centuries. But the history of Byzantium is not taught in the West, so most people think that there was some sort of collapse and period of Dark Ages — when in fact the center of learning had simply moved across the Mediterranean — deliberately and intentionally. It is wrong to think of Rome as the center from and after 325AD. Rome fell because of Constantine’s strategic decision – one of the key decisions that completely changed the course of Western history.

    #67915

    VietnamVet
    Participant

    The picture of the Deplorables inside the Capitol above reminds me of the 17 year old carrying a M-15 in Kenosha WI before he killed two. They look like what they are, losers. A professional job interviewer wouldn’t waste a second on them. They stormed with an assist by others the symbol of their suppression. They will keep it up until the USA splits apart. They have nothing better to do.

    This is a result of why the Western Empire has fallen and pandemic spread unchecked killing a third of a million Americans to date. The US government for the last decades solely worked to increase corporate profits not for the people. It’s failed. Jobs, security, health and a purpose in life are necessary to prevent the rising chaos or a reign of authoritarianism.

    The tragedy is the Inauguration in two weeks won’t change a thing; no New Deal nor an end to the perpetual war. Secession becomes inevitable.

    #67927

    zerosum
    Participant

    the Deplorables …. have no Jobs, no security, no health….
    ….. have the time to go to a demonstration, and will destroy in anger
    …. are not the ground troops of a uprising, not a riot, not a revolution
    ….. are the tools of hyper (everything), by the enablers

    #67940

    jsnyder62@gmail.com
    Participant

    madamski,
    Responding to your inquiry re: “solutions” in the comments to the last Debt Rattle. I don’t have any, other than a general direction that we should all go very local with our efforts esp. because centralized governments are not going to do anything that is remotely helpful. I think Nicole’s lengthy article from 2015 is a very good guide, especially on what NOT to waste time and energy on.

    Nicole Foss: The Boundaries and Future of Solution Space

    I agree we all need to vent and blow off steam from time to time, and confirm to one another that we see the insanity, to remain sane ourselves. I suspect it’s all going to get a lot worse, and soon, and keep getting worse. I just bemoan the constant focus on documenting the day-to-day progress of how America is / is becoming becoming a failed state. Morris Berman nailed it pretty comprehensively back in 2014 in his book, Why America Failed. Lots of youtube vids of him talking about it.

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