Jul 212021
 


John Singer Sargent Palmettos, Florida 1917

 

 

I’ve been trying to write this for a week or so, but every time I start, new things happen. The virus landscape has changed enormously, which we of course don’t see reflected in the media. They report only on increases in infections and panicking politicians. Which can all be nicely packed together in “the Delta variant”.

But there should be much more attention -and questions- with regards to those rising numbers, more often than not occurring in highly vaccinated countries, UK, Israel etc. We might learn a thing or two if we don’t look at this through the same glasses we’ve used for a year and a half now. They grossly distorted our view. Here goes:

 

What do the substances sold to us as “vaccines” -even if they’re not in the general sense of the word-, actually do? They don’t limit the risk of infection, we know that now, but we could have known it already, the producers told us. Of course the politicians and their experts said otherwise for as long as they could, but with recent rapidly rising infection rates among the fully vaccinated, we’ll hear much less of that. That story died.

So what do they do? The one thing left, and which the producers DO claim, is they make (Covid-related) illness less severe. But has anyone seen any irrefutable proof of that? If so, please send it. Not some hint at proof, nothing halfway, we’re not interested in that, but absolute and irrefutable. Like Godot.

Something we do know the vaccines do, the mRNA ones but also AZ and J&J, is they induce your cells to produce spike proteins. And it’s those spike proteins that PCR tests recognize, leading to “positive” test results, also with people who’ve never been infected by the virus.

Which makes me wonder how many people in the wave of the new “infections” test positive because they’ve been injected, not because they’ve been infected. Though the difference may not be easy to detect, other than the first group never getting sick, but then again, 80% of people have natural immunity against Covid to begin with, says Nature Magazine.

So all your victims come from 20% of the population. If you go through the sites that count “cases”, like Worldometer, you can see that there is no country (that I could find) which has seen more than 10% of people test positive. And after 18 months, chances are that percentages won’t rise much, let alone above 20%. In India, 67% of people have antibodies, it was announced today. Those people need no vaccines, their immunity is stronger than a vaccine can offer.

Now, how do you tell those groups apart, the 80% vs 20%? It’s hard enough to begin with but once you inject healthy people with a substance that causes the human body to make (cyto-) toxic spike proteins, telling one from the other may become impossible (cytotoxic means it kills cells).

In short, after some 7 months of the vaccines being used, we know they are useless for preventing infection, even if loud voices keep insisting the world will come to an end if not everyone gets vaccinated. They may lead to a huge number of false positives though, meaning that once your cells start producing spike proteins, you may well get sick anyway. Sort of like a self-fulfilling prescription. Solution from industry and experts: boosters, induce cells to produce more toxic proteins. Hmmm.

I’m not sure you would call the ensuing disease Covid-19, even if it has the same spike proteins, but it will have many of the same symptoms: pulmonary issues, myocarditis, other heart problems, blindness etc.

And death. By now you must have seen some numbers, even if the media and politics keep them from you. The latest count in the US is about 11,000 deaths from the vaccines, and there is a court case being filed that claims the real count is 45,000. It could well be much more, but it’s hard to prove. All we need to know really is that in the past, 25-50 deaths was all it took to shelve a vaccine.

Adverse reactions other than death are if possible even harder to get a grip on. The VAERS system says there are presently some 450,000 reported, but the UK’s MHRA yellow Card system was already well above 1,000,000 there two weeks ago, so you can pick any number you like. These systems typically register between 1-10% of events.

Question is, do you want to pick that number AFTER getting jabbed? I’ve said before, you must count on your immune system being strong enough to fight the vaccine, not just the virus. 80% of people have an immune system that can do that. The 20% who don’t are mostly old, obese or suffering from another disease.

That the 80% is nevertheless also targeted by vaccine salesmen including politicians is pretty strange, even if we’ve come to see it as normal. But that it can actually worsen the health prospects of those involved is another story altogether. We will have to find out from the large numbers of “fully vaccinated” who are now testing positive, but who may simply have started producing spike proteins without getting infected. It will be very difficult to tell the difference, but we should no longer accept anything less.

Not after accepting the failed policies of lockdowns and mask wearing and vaccines. How do we know they failed? Look at the numbers in mid summer! And compare them to last summer. Delta, yeah, yeah, I know, but how deadly is Delta? And how much have the vaccines contributed to the appearance of Delta?

It’s very popular these days to talk about the Pandemic of the Unvaccinated, but what if what we’re really looking at is a Pandemic of the Vaccinated? When the breeding ground for a virus doesn ‘t change much, there is not much reason for it to mutate. That reason comes for instance in the form of a vaccine, especially one that is non-sterilizing (doesn’t prevent further infection) and is used on an enormous scale.

Instead, they’ll have you believe the opposite: that the unvaccinated (80% of whom are safe to begin with) cause a virus to mutate, and the vaccinated stop that mutating, even if they continue to infect people around them. There is no logic in that.

And there’s that question again: what DO the vaccines do? What do they do that is beneficial to us, and which vitamin D and any of an assortment of fully harmless repurposed drugs, research into which was suspended or banned to make the vaccine EUA’s possible, could not have done, and possibly better? For one thing, the vaccines don’t grant you immunity. None. If that’s not enough yet, let’s at least start there.

 

 

 

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    John Singer Sargent Palmettos, Florida 1917     I’ve been trying to write this for a week or so, but every time I start, new things happen.
    [See the full post at: A Pandemic of The Vaccinated?]

    #80402
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Since V. Arnold is sleeping in, I’ll weigh in on the palmetto painting: it has the exuberant enthusiasm f that early Modern era. Sargent appears to be intoxicated by the concept of sight, color, and shape. It’s less beautiful than it is exhilirating, like children playing.

    #80414
    democritus
    Participant

    And it’s those spike proteins that PCR tests recognize

    It isn’t, they detect RNA by converting it to DNA and multiplying it up.

    #80415
    those darned kids
    Participant

    imagine florida in 1917..

    biggest rattlesnake i ever saw was underneath some palmettos like that along the dirt road up to lake george from silver glen springs.

    i saw my first bald eagle nest that day, too, right on the marshy shores of lake george.

    #80417
    those darned kids
    Participant

    i teach music. i’ve had one cancellation because of covid illness. i’ve had nine (including two to the hospital) cancellations because of vaccines.

    #80418
    John Day
    Participant

    John Ward is reporting from inside French Fascist lockdown these days. https://therealslog.com/2021/07/21/post-virus-analysis-whos-calling-the-shots/

    What exactly is it we all feel at the moment? Most people who return regularly to this site probably have a dominant feeling of frustration (how can seven out of eight Western citizens be so unutterably gullible?) with a secondary sense of unease mumbling away in the background (where is all this going to end?).

    The 86%, I suspect, suffer from knee-jerk fear, and a misplaced belief in the State and its media. Judging by the vast majority of insouciant pond-weed on Facebook, having taken the “straightforward” step of being vaccinated, such blissfully uninformed plantlife indulge themselves in smug dismissal of all contrarian thinking; and in the sector of this malleable majority a little further down the evolutionary tree, there is – ever more noticeable by the week – a growing mob rabidity directed at those they call “selfish” and “anti-social”.

    We the ‘deadly unvaxed’ are unsurprisingly being weaponised…

    #80419
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    “What DO the vaccines do?”

    I have a sneaking suspicion that you already have some ideas about what that might be.

    My related questions would be “Do the vaccine suppliers fully understand what the vaccines do? Do those who are promoting them so aggressively know what they do? How about after a couple of years and several booster shots?

    It seems to me that this could easily quickly get seriously hand, and when I say “this” I mean debilitating disease and death. To be brutally crude about it, what happens if everyone who got the shot shows up dead within five years, have “they” thought of that?

    #80420
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “i teach music. i’ve had one cancellation because of covid illness. i’ve had nine (including two to the hospital) cancellations because of vaccines.”

    That’s been the point since the beginning of this entire debacle. I still struggle in understanding how so many people really believe what they’re being told, to the point that they want to force vaccinate people and if they don’t hope they die. Like that article i posted on the debt rattle today, this is all masquerading as a civil war. The shooting is the next phase. How long until the media begins to tell their devout followers that it is the vaccinated killing them and not the vaccine?

    Financial system on life support: Check (how many “regular” people question the fact that interest rates have been zero for a decade now and money printing never stopped except for a brief period of like a year and a half?)
    Losing control of the narrative and politics: Check (rising populism in the EU and US, non elite choices being voted on, angering elite who begin to parrot about democracy may not be that great and god damn it you better listen to us!)
    Standards of living declining for the majority of people: Check (deaths from despair, stagnate to declining standards of living, fought back by making everything about identity and gender and blah blah blah, anything to keep the people from recognizing a shared cause)

    Wheels coming off the bus mid to late september 2019: Check (QE but not QE. Source: https://wallstreetonparade.com/9426-2/)

    Covid: Stops all discussion of these things and keeps people separated and in narrow lanes where you can control what they see and what they hear. Not to mention its so damn easy to shoot holes thru the narrative they’re presenting, but still people cling to it.

    #80422
    Mr. House
    Participant

    The jab is nothing more then a loyalty test to the narrative

    #80424

    Vaccine covid

    #80426
    John Day
    Participant

    https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/07/no-longer-abstract.html
    (links and picture of avocado orchard with lawnmower-guy)

    I have had a hard time recently with my own thoughts and perspective, which comes as a shock to me sometimes, but not other times, depending upon my thoughts and perspective at the moment. I’d like to say that I’m usually a lot more stable than this, and I might be, but it’s hard to tell when you are evaluating yourself in choppy-waters. Jenny helps. Thanks Jenny!
    You might or might not be experiencing ups and downs of your personal perspective as broad abstractions get pierced by little flying-realities on a daily basis. Whatever worldview any of us may have, it is breaking down in the parts where we use it to predict the near and slightly more distant future, and to judge what our best plans and actions should be today, tomorrow and next month.
    We can see things shifting, becoming less reliable, becoming more threatening and demanding, more divisive at every turn. We can see that this has happened before in history, but we never understood it from our vantage points. I don’t know that “understanding it” is a good description now, either, but I’m starting to get it.
    It’s a feeling of desperation. We might all feel like it’s mostly a personal thing, but I really don’t think it is. I think I personally feel anxiety and desperation and frustration, anger, judgementality, and I don’t think I’m alone. I honestly think these feelings suffuse a large human group when resources start to get tight.
    The clinginess is like a drowning swimmer drowning the would-be rescuer.
    I took life-saving in college . I eventually saved a life in Galveston Bay. We could both have died.
    We wondered for a couple of hours. It was not yet that day..
    It was actually somewhat calmer than living in Austin, Texas in 2021. And we have it a lot better in Texas than most places in this desperate world.
    I keep growing vegetables. I keep treating patients. I am about to bike to the clinic again.
    I am sharing my feelings with you.

    #80427
    John Day
    Participant

    Mr. House said: “The jab is nothing more then a loyalty test to the narrative.”

    Well said, sir.

    #80429
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @John Day: “I think I personally feel anxiety and desperation and frustration, anger, judgementality, and I don’t think I’m alone.”

    You aren’t alone.

    #80431
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Raul, regarding “vaccine covid”. I’ve grown convinced that vaccinated people shed spike proteins. My son was vaccinated (moderna, 2x). I saw him shortly after vaccination both times. I got sick, both times, with strange and seemingly unrelated transitory symptoms and it took me a couple weeks, each time, to begin feeling better.

    One of the worst symptoms was in my brain (after my son’s second vaccine). I spent nearly a week unable to sleep more than a couple hours each night. Then I’d wake up with my heart racing and adrenaline pumping. For the rest of night, every single time I closed my eyes I had massive adrenaline rushes and sleep was impossible. I tried everything I had in the house to relax my nerves and nothing worked. I felt like I was going insane and couldn’t figure out why it was happening. Then as suddenly as it started, it disappeared. Thankfully. Because it was absolutely horrible.

    I would not have equated my anxiety with covid spike proteins until I read a commenter yesterday on Karl D’s site who said his wife got the vaccine and was super anxious and could barely sleep. Bingo.

    I know it sounds crazy. I hesitate to push “submit” and post this comment. But, well, anecdotal, for what it’s worth.

    #80432
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Everything i stated at #80420 also points to Trump not being an agent of change, because if he was he would have been pointing that stuff out as we went along. True believers on the left and true believers on the right, stuck in the middle with you!

    #80433
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    PS on spike protein shedding. Yes, I am taking recommended supplements. I upped them. Yes, I have ivermectin. I took that. Who knows, maybe without those …?

    #80435
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “I still struggle in understanding how so many people really believe what they’re being told, to the point that they want to force vaccinate people and if they don’t hope they die.”

    This is an oversimplification but contains what I think is the core answer to your question:

    When Prophecy Fails

    Mom does NOT want to believe that Daddy is screwing her daughters. Or sons. It’s too horrible to believe: Suddenly, she realized the calls were cominbg from INSIDE the house.

    ^&*

    “One of the worst symptoms was in my brain (after my son’s second vaccine). I spent nearly a week unable to sleep more than a couple hours each night. Then I’d wake up with my heart racing and adrenaline pumping. For the rest of night, every single time I closed my eyes I had massive adrenaline rushes and sleep was impossible. I tried everything I had in the house to relax my nerves and nothing worked. I felt like I was going insane and couldn’t figure out why it was happening. Then as suddenly as it started, it disappeared. Thankfully. Because it was absolutely horrible.”

    Hmmm… that may be part of the reason why cannabis use has increased so much of late. During the lockdown, when people were all about getting high, it wasn’t neary so much as of late. The ex-Mrs. Sherburn agrees: people are smoking a ton of weed. I’ll ask the local pot store people next time I visit.
    ^&*

    “Everything i stated at #80420 also points to Trump not being an agent of change, because if he was he would have been pointing that stuff out as we went along. True believers on the left and true believers on the right, stuck in the middle with you!”

    Trump bragged a week or three ago that HE began the vakzine process. Trump was useful as a loose cannon but is as incompetent and morally bsankrupt as they are. His virtue is that he can’t help but reveal himself every other day. Like Dr. D says: narcissists. They have to brag.

    #80436
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @madam: “Trump was useful as a loose cannon but is as incompetent and morally bsankrupt as they are. His virtue is that he can’t help but reveal himself every other day.

    I think you meant, “His virtue is that he can’t help but reveal himself EVERY 20 MINUTES, EVERY DAY.” 😉

    Trump is a showman. Yes. Presidential? No. But then, none of them have been presidential for a very long time. Trump reminds me of a bartender using a shaker to mix up your icy cocktail. Where that particular talent of his ultimately lands us, still open for debate.

    #80438
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Front man started saying all these things as he does. Every 20 minutes. They shot him down as wrong and insane. Every 20 minutes. HCQ? Pangolins romancing a bat? That’s science. Anything he said, however obvious (Wuhan release coincidentally 5 feet from the “Wuhan Bat Coronvirus NIAID gain-of-function lab” as Jon Stewart said?) Obviously wrong and insane.

    But “he” didn’t say anything. It’s “his” fault. Okey-dokey.

    Imagine if he’d told you the whole truth of infinite China infiltration, Chapel Hill, Canada, release at Ft. Deitrick, fevered attempts to halt, counter-attack in Wuhan, China buying Fauci, CNN, Pelosi, timing the impeachment to the DAY of the release, advising citizens to go to Chinese New Years Parades, that Pfizer already had patents and scientists would openly admit they knew lab leak but lied ‘cuz “Grabbie Grabbie”, all Doctors worldwide would jump on, Tony himself had the SARS/HCQ and Mask research.

    ….Uh, yeah: You would have believed him. Right. Front Man tested the waters until there was no motion. The waters were about a mile wide and 1/164th of an inch deep. How did I know that? ‘Cuz he reads secret intel reports and asks the top doctors on the whole country, if not world. And he said. And I double-checked. And was right. So. Easy.

    But it’s him. Tell yourself that next time you believe Scientists and CDC directors who here, only a month later, totally, openly admit they funded it, lied about it, and made it all up. And that other dippie-flippie guy was right and didn’t. But much as he squawks, couldn’t get a word in edgewise over the knee-jerk ignorance of the population he/we were all shouting to save.

    So? I guess I’m not being heard. Back up, try a different route. And did.

    #80439
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Trump, imo, kept us out of major confrontation with Russia during a period when our fathead Pentagon was in denial that Russia is now the new “Global Policeman” and we’re just another international perp.

    Now they kinda get the concept.

    #80440
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Totally believe the brain thing. 1) not every vial is the same. 2) not every human physiology and reaction is the same. Trust yourself.

    They’re trying to kill you, and you still don’t believe. Is this evidence yet?

    #80441
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Trump said much truth about covid. He also said much bullshit. That’s Trump: wouldn’t recognize the truth of it walked up and smacked him in the dicksucker. Information, for Trump, is mostly coded by its effect on his ego. If truth helps his ego, great. If not, bad.

    Trump is not the cause of all this but he was and is also in no way even remotely a cure. Just a (for us) convenient obstacle the Deep State had to go around.

    “Front man started saying”

    Who is front man, Dr. D? (One of those simple questions I prefer people answer or at least tell me to fuck off.)

    #80442
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    I feel no need to believe they’re trying to kill me or not. What they do per the normative routines of empire per the past two millennia is lethal enough. We have identified the enemy and it is not them; it is our subservience to them, and there is no safe easy way to undo this that can be bought at Costco and successfully employed after some assembly per instructions in Korean gorilla English.

    We can call them icky poopy doodoo cacaheads all day long and just tire our lung alveoli.

    I will not deny Trump his desire and ability to be heroic. We all have it. I just note that Trump is incapable of effectively doing anything with it because he is a weathervane driven by the bloviations his ego demands. What Trump knows does not necessarily collate with what Trump says.

    There.is.no.Trump.derangement.syndrome.at.TAE. Mister Roboto had some and has repented, publicly and profusely. No one here blames Trump for this stuff. Please: let it go? Like Mister Roboto has?

    #80445
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    I agree that the vaccine campaign has been about messaging not the facts. Acknowledged side effects of the J & J vaccine is blood clotting with low platelet count in young women and also both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines cause heart inflammation in young men and adolescent boys. FDA required label warnings but did not prohibit these uses. They are a subset of the symptoms of COVID-19. If the public/private narrative is true, the only cause could be the spike protein. But, references to tests that determined the spike protein left the injection sites are labeled disinformation since it contradicts the official story that the artificial spike protein has a membrane attachment so the spike stays put where jabbed.

    The rise in the number of cases in highly vaccinated nations documents that the vaccines do not stop transmission. If the vaccines allow 36% breakthrough infections as reported in Israel at the beginning of this month around 59 million fully vaccinated Americans could get infected with the Delta Variant. There are antidotal reports of worse infections among the vaccinated. It is typical of these morbid times that we must wait to see if the death counts also start climbing or not.

    It was criminal manslaughter that the CDC stopped masking and social distancing believing their obviously wrong models that predicted coronavirus would be gone by this fall. The simple fact is the corporate state is doing everything possible to prevent the restoration of a public health system and providing an alternative to the current for-profit, wealth-extraction, US healthcare system. Both Republican and Democrat Administrations intentional have no plan B if the mRNA vaccines fail

    #80448
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    #80450
    Mr. House
    Participant

    You were doing so well until you said “It was criminal manslaughter that the CDC stopped masking and social distancing believing their obviously wrong models that predicted coronavirus would be gone by this fall. ”

    So they lie, but they aren’t lying about masks and lockdowns, no sir. How many lies until you stop believing Vietnam Vet?

    #80451
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “There.is.no.Trump.derangement.syndrome.at.TAE. Mister Roboto had some and has repented, publicly and profusely. No one here blames Trump for this stuff. Please: let it go? Like Mister Roboto has?”

    True but i don’t live inside the automatic earth and to Dr. D’s credit if you live in a city they all think Trump killed everyone because the news told them. And don’t forget Joe Bidens ads last fall that showed empty stadiums and empty schools and if you elected him we’d get back to normal. Sorry folks you ain’t getting those freedoms back unless ya fight. Asking nicely ain’t gonna do it, all the “temporary” crap that is always for your “own good” ends up being permanent. 9/11, GFC, all that shit is still going on. You really think it’ll be any different for Covid if you just get the jab? Lucy pulling away the football everytime and you keep trying to kick it. You should be offended at being treated like a five year old child, but you aren’t because you’re scared. Are you actually adults? Have we raised generations of giant children?

    #80452
    Antidote
    Participant

    Question:

    Does anyone know if there is a functional difference between the alpha and the delta versions of the virus and what it is or does differently? Not sure if I’m stating that correctly but something I have been thinking about.

    The guy at the t-shirt shop tried to shame me yesterday by claiming that 98% of the current delta variant infections in our county are in ‘unvaccinated’ peeps. He claims inside info as his wife fills out death certificates at county health. Sigh. I find it hard to believe because he exaggerates everything all the time anyway. Sigh

    #80453
    Mr. House
    Participant

    @VietnamVet

    Last winter and spring i went to the bars and bowling every weekend. Never got covid and never died, why not? Never came across anyone else who did either, in the entire past year and a half. Is it only because i’m 37? If so why are we punishing everyone except the people who actually caused this shit to begin with? Why aren’t we interested in who caused this shit to begin with? Why haven’t we demanded an end to gain of function research in general? .GOV locked everyone up and is now aiming to tell their true believers “we can’t go back to normal until either all the unvaxxed are dead or vaxxed, do something about it while we look the other way.” I mean when you allow one side to protest and say they’re peaceful and not superspreaders, but deny another side that same right, what kind of message are you sending? To you children (the mentality of most of population) its a green light to do whatever you want…………….

    #80454
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Dr D: I’m typically a fan but idk about your trump rant. Trump extolled the virtue of the “warp speed” vaccines and backed it up with lots of money. Where does that fit in your “Imagine if he’d told you the whole truth …” statement? In this particular instance he [apparently] was told the whole truth but figured, “hey, I’ll just lie and tell the American people the vaccines are awesomely awesome?”

    Also, didn’t mean to imply that “… “he” didn’t say anything. It’s “his” fault.” He did some things right (tariffs, not bombing Iran, Russia, etc.). Some things he mucked up badly. He’s a showman but not presidential. So?

    As for “But it’s him. Tell yourself that next time you believe Scientists and CDC directors …” Huh??

    Good golly.

    PS … I have HCQ in my house and obtained it early in 2020. Far before ivermectin hit the scene. Go figure.

    #80455
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Mr House: ““we can’t go back to normal until either all the unvaxxed are dead or vaxxed, do something about it while we look the other way.”

    Word.

    #80456
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Antidote: it’s hard to believe what anyone says about anything anymore. Too much religious-type fervor, too much politicization, too much cult-like association. Figure out what you believe and stick with it. Not much left we can do but that.

    #80457
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Vietnam Vet: “Acknowledged side effects of the J & J vaccine is blood clotting with low platelet count in young women and also both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines cause heart inflammation in young men and adolescent boys.”

    If you believe those are the only side effects you need to spend some time in the VAER system.

    #80458
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Dr D: “Totally believe the brain thing. 1) not every vial is the same. 2) not every human physiology and reaction is the same. Trust yourself.”

    Thank you.

    #80459
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Trump’s name comes up on TAE and the sparks fly. lol. As I said, he’s like a bartender shaking up an icy cocktail.

    I don’t watch news, haven’t listened to a president speak in decades, am not on twitface. Didn’t experience Trump first-hand at all. Watched from the sidelines and gleaned things from headlines. Read some news stories if they weren’t Russia hysteria and didn’t lead with a twit. Er, tweet. He did some things right, some things wrong. Like most people. He also was egocentric and juvenile. Not good qualities in a president.

    Not everyone living in cities believes Trump killed hundreds of thousands of people in the pandemic. I know some twenty-somethings who live in NYC and in Syracuse. They don’t buy into any of the **** at all, and they are on twitface all the time. We need to stop lumping everyone into one big heap based on demographics or geography or income. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO. Stop doing it.

    #80465
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    @Mr. House

    I am so old I remember Polio outbreaks, Iron Lungs, the vaccine shot, and the relief. I know public health pandemic campaigns work. I am not an anti-vaxxer. I am against corruption and incompetence. I want government to work for the people not corporations.

    The pandemic is real. It kills old farts like me and essential workers. Life expectancy in the USA in 2020 declined by 3 years for the Hispanic population, 2.9 years for the non-Hispanic Black population, and 1.2 years for the white population. Long Covid exists. Yes, the partial lockdowns in the West failed and created an economic depression that persists till today except for the rich who are making out like bandits.

    Taiwan controlled coronavirus until variants from the outside started breaking out. The combination of case-based (contact tracing and quarantining) and population-based policies (social distancing and face masks), along with widespread adherence, led to Taiwan’s success in containing COVID.
    https://theconversation.com/how-taiwan-beat-covid-19-new-study-reveals-clues-to-its-success-158900

    Masking and social distancing work but only in combination with century old public health measures that have and can control viral outbreaks. Masks identify that you care about the health of others in your community. Opening up the nation and ending masking and social distancing without exterminating the virus first is criminal malfeasance.

    The abyss is staring back at us.

    #80466
    Mr. House
    Participant

    How long did it take to create the polio vaccine and how did the creator go about it? Did he lie and rush things or take his time to get it right and then refuse to profit from it? That was created by one man, not a giant unaccountable corporation. The world you grew up in is gone, replaced by faceless systems thats only goal appears to be control and power.

    ” I am against corruption and incompetence. I want government to work for the people not corporations. ”

    So why do you continue to believe them? Who is pushing the narrative of the past year and a half? It’s not me, i’m not trying to scare you to death and make you hate your fellow man.

    #80467
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “So they lie, but they aren’t lying about masks and lockdowns, no sir. How many lies until you stop believing Vietnam Vet?”

    In the very early stages, masks and lockdowns would’ve been very beneficial: if they’d been enacted swiftly (they weren’t), universally (weren’t), with clear accurate instructions (not provided) about what the techniques are about, what they can and can’t do.

    #80469
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “True but i don’t live inside the automatic earth and to Dr. D’s credit if you live in a city they all think Trump killed everyone because the news told them.”

    We do try to distinguish this virtual conviviance, TAE, from external. reality. I recommend you do too.

    #80471
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Are you actually adults? Have we raised generations of giant children?”

    Well, speaking as an adult to an obviously small child: fuck you and the whore you rode in on. YOu want civility, be civil.

    Don’t Start Nothin…

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