Debt Rattle June 15 2025
Home › Forums › The Automatic Earth Forum › Debt Rattle June 15 2025
- This topic has 60 replies, 15 voices, and was last updated 5 months, 3 weeks ago by
D Benton Smith.
-
AuthorPosts
-
June 15, 2025 at 10:02 am #189928
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterIvan Shishkin Midday. Near Moscow 1869 • Trump Rejects Netanyahu’s Request To Join War (ZH) • Poll: 90% of Americans Don’t Want US Involved in
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 15 2025]June 15, 2025 at 11:05 am #189934oxymoron
ParticipantThis lines up for me ….
Neoliberal feudalism at substack
Rurik Skywalker predicts, in his excellent post today, that Iran is going to be dismembered in civil war, much like Iraq, Syria and Libya were/are. I think he is totally right about this. The logic is multi-faceted:Iran’s leadership isn’t just infiltrated by Israeli and Western intelligence, as even mainstream reports now subtly acknowledge – it was engineered into its current form. The Shah, a Western-aligned monarch installed after his predecessor sought to nationalize Iran’s oil against the interests of international finance and corporate power, began questioning Zionist influence in the U.S. before his ouster, including making veiled references to AIPAC. Then, almost seamlessly, he was replaced by a group of exiled clerics – Khomeini among them – who had been living in Paris and London under Western intelligence protection. This regime swap, from secular monarch to Islamist theocracy, gave the illusion of anti-imperialist resistance while installing a system far more useful to elite control: centralized, ideological, emotionally inflamed, and easily scapegoated. Since then, Iran has served as a perfect foil: necessary for Israeli fear narratives, useful as a lightning rod, but never truly independent.
The destruction of the Iranian nuclear program is insufficient from the Greater Israel project perspective: to secure safety for investment into Greater Israel they want to make sure such a nuclear program may never arise again. No elite investor wants to fund a canal, a pipeline, or a data city next door to or near a sovereign country with a danger of ballistic missile attack. As such, the overthrow of the leadership and dismemberment of the country is their preferred way to ensure this.
At a deeper level, the malevolent Jewish shield/sword mentality of perceived victimization followed by lashing-out revenge means they always need an enemy to destroy. The Mullahs easily fit the bill with their little civilian nuclear program, reminiscent of Haman in the Purin story. Destroy the helpless saps, claim self-defense, celebrate and strut around aggressively, consolidate power for themselves, worship and tip the rabbis, rinse and repeat.
Iranian leadership is not going to be able to stop their overthrow even if they wanted to (for example, pretend populist Musk is enabling Starlink as a weapon for Iranians to route around internet censorship).
It’s going to be ugly for the Iranian people.June 15, 2025 at 11:23 am #189935Red
Participant“President Trump cannot claim he was uninformed. The Jerusalem Post reports that an Israeli government official told the Post that “There was full and complete coordination with the Americans.”
“Israeli government official told the Post”
They have never lied! Not saying Trump didn’t know, just really an “un-named” official? They all just want war on their terms because it is about the only thing left in this “Industrial Civilization” that will give a return on their monies invested.
June 15, 2025 at 11:45 am #189936Dr. D
ParticipantLooking at the reports (are they true?) and the dialogue (is that true?) and both have said a thing, and some opposite things, on all sides.
Overview: The long-planned certainty to get the United States drawn into the world war with Russia was proven a decisive bust last week, and basically shut. Rook E2 on that one. Therefore, immediately run the NEXT certainty to draw the U.S. into a world war in the Middle East. Because that will utterly destroy it, which is needed for “World” government. This is the “Open Society” translation: Globalists. Better known as Oligarchs. And are they Chinese oligarchs? Nope, Western Oligarchs. If the U.S. exists, they lose. Just like if Russia exists, they lose. To the U.S. cannot give up Empire, and can either be the Empire’s Idiot Army, or can cease to exist as we know it. That is, broken up, divided, no Human Rights, etc.
Radiating down, Trump has now said he both was and wasn’t informed. On both attacks. You could say this a Reality a la carte, pick one, but it doesn’t work like that. Your currency in this realm is credibility – yes the credibility of known liars – so it doesn’t matter WHICH you tell. Sort of doesn’t matter which is true. With no credibility he’s not a leader, so it doesn’t matter if he was in on it totally, or if he’s unable to control half the government (which we know is true). Releasing his recent statements also boxes him in for the future, erasing all negotiating latitude.
So that’s that. I’m not sure it’s ACTUALLY taking the “L” for begin wrong on this, but as effectively it doesn’t matter, I’m just taking the “L” on this. Trump now needs to go to Ken Lay Island and open up possibilities for someone and something else. Which is fine, what is taking him off the board doing at this point? A few things, but most of the plays will be able to carry on at this time.
What is this about, locally? They need to pass the budget, if they pass that budget at this point Europe – that is K-Pop which includes Israel – loses. So I’m quite sure they dropped every card and a few they had stolen on this. All that is out of the media now. And if it had passed, he could, e.g. arrest all Congress for Epstein and have time to move it (for the midterms? Or only for the 4 year?) And the Oligarchs knew it which is why now is the time to demand WWIII, with no mistakes, no possibility of reverse, with all their remaining might.
But when you’re at this state, you’re losing, not winning. You can take Trump off the table, but most of your pieces are gone now too.
What can happen? Well, if THEY are going to make one-way, world-ending moves, the U.S. and White Hats can too. They can say “Oopsie” and have us be “Too busy” with ourselves, retreating to the U.S. borders. Then the Oligarchs don’t have their Idiot Empire Army. There are a number of other major moves like that, but the key is to position them to restore the United States, as a single nation, federal system, with LESS central power, and to restore our principles, ability, and morality, which need to come from the People. …Who are ALSO not doing well.
So looking for tremors of the next move on that. But presently, ignoring Trump and anything he says, taking him off the table as relevant. If he moves forward with this supposed “Let’s kill the U.S. for Iran” plan, we’ll all oppose him. If they think the Right is into that, they’re a bunch of followers, who obey one guy, they got another think coming, although that of course will take some time. And that means there’s a time window the bad guys can exploit before people come to the conclusion I and others have. No kings? No duh. The Right does not do Kings, wtf are they talking about?
But to the Oligarchs, who paid millions for Madison Ave to invent the slogan, what does it mean? I means “We don’t want any single person powerful enough to reduce us.” It means “No Opposition to Oligarchs” to them. It means, “No Putins” who take them by the collar and bitch-slap them into their place and restore sovereignty. To me it means Wtf are you talking about??? You mean Kings like we legally elect? That kind of king? Kings who do not disband Parliament and obey every 3-tier local judge’s orders? Wtf king of king, are you insane, man?
Specifically: “U.S. best armaments” “What that are shot down, blown to pieces, useless?” Yeah, well those arms just blew the s–t out Iran so slow your roll.
Krainer has the same conclusion: Israel (being small?) cannot withstand a long war. They need a decapatation-regime change OR the U.S. to step in with an escalation. If any of that fails, Israel falls. …Which they already have in my opinion, but we’re stuck playing it out. So you could allow such a strike, knowing this will happen. Although a lot of people will die and it’s the wrong move on several levels.
Other thoughts: in their positioning and Narrative play, Iran has to be “Seen” as being sorely attacked, not just minor attacked. Only then can they be “Allowed” (by world opinion) to hit Israel the way is required to have an effect. That seems to be done, but it seems absolutely not of their doing, their intent. I see no indication they “Dropped their guard” or left an opening, nor did they need to.
This is the thing Israel wanted or needed in October, or they will die: infuriate Iran to strike, to spark the larger war (….Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the United States again, who will collapse as per schedule) but Iran was measured and didn’t take the bait. If Iran really whacks them, will the world see it as just this time? Quite probably, and unlike last time. Again, they probably know this, but this is all 3-moves ahead in chess. Not magic, but the sort of thing that doesn’t occur to laymen until they have to game it out.
“Large Numbers In Congress Back Israel’s Attack On Iran
So shocked, I can’t imagine why. Of course they’re all Christian Evangelicals n’ stuff, esp the 50% Democrats. It’s all religious and organic, not staged and arranged at all, trust me.
Notes around town: “Silver Blast Off!!!!” At $36. You’re totally kidding me, right? That puts only the next stop at $50, and probably some wandering before then, since it’s been a week already. Okay $50 is ITS 1980 LEVEL. Name me any object that’s selling for its 1979 price. Bell-bottoms, anyone? Levis at $5 a pair?
Again, comparing to gold is $880 / $3,600 = 4x. So $200. ($50 x 4) We can have a “Blast off” when you head near $100, people. Until then, it’s the biggest bear in the history of bears. I’d say “Buy buy buy” but this has been true since the 90s. Collum had the same impression of Platinum, but it’s stayed dead another two years and he wisely just nibbled and wait for some (breakout) action.
From the Internet: “You know guys, this war between Iran and Israel wouldn’t happen if Donald Trump was President.”
Also from the Internet: “there’s no delicate way to put this but we were not meant to have such unlimited access to boneheadedness without the opportunity of slapping mfers in the mouth. all this “violence is not the answer” shit is literally why we’re in this mess. i read shit on social media sometimes and think “no order of words will be effective, the only true rectification here is a box in the teeth”. violence is such a necessary part of nature because it teaches you that you aren’t invincible. yapping on the net bypasses that education.” Word my brother.

““Should the US get involved in Israel’s war against Iran?” Almost a half million responses and the outcome is almost 90% saying no.”
But, but, Aspnaz’s Christian army! But All 150 million Democrats are hard-core Christian evangelicals and Israel lovers!
“Iran-the-Unready (Paul Craig Roberts)
Paul Craig Roberts-the-Violent-Warmonger. There’s never a war he doesn’t want to go all-in on. Diplomacy? Strategy? What’s that? Uh, Paul? They didn’t shoot down incoming BECAUSE THEY WERE ATTACKED. Yes! That’s what armies do in war! Who knew? They shut down Iran’s Air Defense for a few (many) hours because that’s the job of the other army to f— your s— up like that. You might have heard. So WERE they unready?
He wants a battle were no one loses and no one is killed, like everyone else around here. Yes! We play chess day after day losing no pieces! None at all! If we lose even ONE piece, toss the board, forfeit the game. You’re a grown -ss man, sir. Check yourself.
“There was a money laundering operation underway that had long been investigated.”
Yes, noted, they media HID all the facts… again, as always…but why THIS raid? A: See for yourself. They were shutting off the other side. Nobody dgaf about immigrants. These guys traffic, rape, kill brother immigrants all day, every day. What they care about is their ARMY is being shut down, tactically, by stopping these 36 specific CRIMINALS.
“• Let California Collapse—and Let the Rest of America Learn (Armstrong Williams)
I see this all over, even worldwide. Yeah, let 1/5th of U.S. GDP vanish, that’ll be awesome for the bond market. Well, if you want everyone to die, that’s what to do, for sure, so make your pick.
Like “No Kings” the oligarchs need no nations to check their power, they need them broken up, too small to resist.
June 15, 2025 at 12:01 pm #189937Topcat
Participant• Trump Leverages Israel’s Attack To Force Iran To Table
Trump has ZERO credibility from here on out. Zero
He’s a walking manifestation of a lie.
The self delusion is so off the charts though that he actually believes people buy into what sprays out of his Pie Hole.
He is not even in control of his own government. Same as Trump 1.0 but even worst, even faster.
The Deepshit State still controls vast swaths of the USSA governing mechanisms.
Bibi just bitch slapped the Donald purple by attacking Iran.
Watched dozens and dozen of vidoe clips last night of missiles raining down on Tel Aviv and Haifa.
Well played Don, well played.
Zionists screaming that the sky was falling.
What good for the goose is good for the gander, aye?
Iran to Bibi (who immediately left Israel to hide out in Greece)
June 15, 2025 at 12:05 pm #189938Germ
ParticipantWhat a terrifying presentation:
Kevin McKernan: DNA Contamination in the mRNA Vaccines
TVASSF – and continue to collapse at an individualand population level.
June 15, 2025 at 12:07 pm #189939Topcat
ParticipantAnd from Fascist Canad-duh
The Land of Assisted Suicide with Maple SyrupJune 15, 2025 at 12:36 pm #189940Topcat
Participant
Separated at birthhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GsuZphJaAAAr8Wv?format=jpg&name=small
Reality Distortion Force Field Matrix
Bending minds for the Deepshit State is hard work
June 15, 2025 at 12:37 pm #189941Topcat
ParticipantJune 15, 2025 at 12:42 pm #189942Topcat
ParticipantOne World Government doesn’t need ‘borders’
And now a word from Be’jesus:June 15, 2025 at 12:44 pm #189943Topcat
ParticipantWisdom of the Day
June 15, 2025 at 12:55 pm #189944zerosum
ParticipantIn the USA, “NO KING” day is celebrated July 4th.
So, let California collapse. Let it learn. And let the rest of America take notes.——————
Surprise!
Iran keeps launching multiple volleys of ballistic missiles into Israel and destroying infrastructures,
MISSILE DEFENSE DOESN’T WORK
Iron dome has been overwhelmed.
Israel is a terrorist gov.
Missile War doesn’t need “Boots on the Grounf”
Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said on Friday that diplomacy was made “meaningless” by the Israeli attack on Iran,“..in the coming days,” Tehran’s retaliation “will spread to all areas occupied by this [Israeli] regime and related US bases in the region.”
The US operates military sites across at least 19 locations in the Middle East, including eight permanent bases in Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Israel.
The think tank estimates that there are currently 40,000 to 50,000 US troops in the region.————
Putin does not need Ukraine.
He doesn’t need Europe.
He already has enough land of his own.
He just wants to make sure that there are no United States weapons in Ukraine aimed at MoscowThe Trump administration insists it’s seeking a settlement to the Ukraine conflict that will last, not Kiev’s surrender or Russia’s defeat.
————–June 15, 2025 at 1:01 pm #189945Topcat
ParticipantWithout “Bunker Busters” Bibi can’t stop the Iranian missile barrages
If Trump doesn’t give them to the Zionist Satan Worshipper, Bibi will be Regime Changed
Pretty ironic, aye?
June 15, 2025 at 2:05 pm #189946my parents said know
ParticipantWhen surveillance is ubiquitous-
And yet you need the ties-
The best way is to cover up
With blankets made of lies.And this is really, really true
When folks are bent on killing you,
As diplomats with fibs and ruse
Give cover while you cut the fuse.The zeitgeist of this age is pure distraction.
When Power hides, the Truth cannot get traction.June 15, 2025 at 2:40 pm #189947zerosum
ParticipantIf power is killed, water and sewer will stop functioning and the desalination plants will cease their operation.
Is it time to calculate the negative political fallout this defeat will have for Netanyahu’s government?
Israel’s water supply is almost entirely dependent upon a few major desal plants.https://english.almanar.com.lb/
Operator of the Haifa oil refinery reports that pipelines and transport infrastructure were damaged in the Iranian missile strikeHeavy Iranian Rockets Destroy Buildings in Tel Aviv, Yemeni Ballistic Missile Joins Attack
Israeli media: Defenses fail to intercept Iranian missiles which have targeted power & energy facilities in Haifa
————–
The Zionists are Crying, “Uncle Sam”
14 June 2025 by Larry C. Johnson[…] Another reality confronting Israel is that the United States does not have unlimited supplies of air defense missiles, and other weapons, to send to Israel. For example, consider the limitations of the THAAD and SM-3 antiballistic missile systems… the US can only manufacture 50-75 THAAD and 60-84 SM-3 interceptors per year! I read another report today — can’t find it now — that the US is sending weapons intended for Ukraine to Israel. I’m sure Zelensky will be thrilled with that news. If this report is true, Ukraine’s days are numbered. Without sustained US military and intelligence support, Ukraine cannot sustain its military operations through the summer.
I want to remind you of the Strategic Partnership Agreement that Russia and Iran signed on January 17. Here are the critical sections pertaining to the current war with Israel:
3. In the event that either Contracting Party is subject to aggression, the other Contracting Party shall not provide any military or other assistance to the aggressor which would contribute to the continued aggression, and shall help to ensure that the differences that have arisen are settled on the basis of the United Nations Charter and other applicable rules of international law.
Read on: https://sonar21.com/the-zionists-are-crying-uncle-sam/
—————
How To Follow The Iran-‘Israel’ War
https://indi.ca/how-to-follow-the-iran-israel-war/
———–
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1933914989934289393
BreakingNews:
Israel has established two drone bases to engage with Iran 24/7: one in Azerbaijan and one in Kurdistan, Iraq. These enable Israel to hit individuals, cars, trucks, and small objectives, reducing huge travel distances and rearmament supply.
———–June 15, 2025 at 3:47 pm #189948Topcat
ParticipantBibi hiding in Greece
I think he soiled himself
June 15, 2025 at 3:53 pm #189949tboc
Participantif we are not careful the US will drag Israel into a war with Iran
June 15, 2025 at 4:29 pm #189950zerosum
ParticipantPropaganda?
there are reports that at least 5 Israeli F-16 fighters were shot down using the Bavar-373 air defense system, which is called an analogue of the Russian S-300.Also among the downed aircraft were F-15s of the Israeli Air Force. There is no objective control data on this matter from Iran yet.
Earlier, Iran said that since yesterday, three fifth-generation F-35 fighters had been shot down. Israeli authorities deny Tehran’s claims about the loss of aircraft and the shooting down of a female IDF pilot.
—————
Fact
Israel know they can’t sustain their defence capabilities and can’t knock out a country the size of Iran by attacking them. They are going to quickly run out of stuff just like Ukraine and the West can’t replace it.
Iran, 250 missiles so far.
Israel, Air strikes continuing.
————
Opinion
Iran only has to maintain this rate of attacks to destroy the moral of the settlers, they came from Europe, Russia and USA to live a “western style life”, because the zionist entity sold to them the idea that occupied Palestine is untochable by the “sub-humans” (muslim in general), and they can bomb any place they want and there will be no retaliation, because the high technological advantage (the see themselves as high IQ people and the arabs an persians as subhumans”) and because they control US Army, so they can give orders to the americans to destroy what they want to destroy.This dream is ending, they have meet an industrial, 88 millions people country, ready to suffer the consequences of a long an hard war while the settlers are not ready to any similar and now, for sure, hundreds of thousands or even millions are looking for a way to scape of this trap they call “Israel”.
The iranians should hit the INTEL factory, and then all those “brilliant” pro-sionists experts will leave the country as soon they have a method to leave.
Posted by: Dave F | Jun 15 2025 10:53 utc | 1130
————
From Slavyangrad.Short summary for last night
1. In response to Israel’s continued attacks on Tehran, Kermanshah, Isfahan, Natanz, Shiraz, etc., Israel attacked again tonight. Targets were hit in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Shiraz, and Ashdod. The most extensive destruction was achieved in Tel Aviv and Haifa. The oil refinery in Haifa, the Weizmann Institute in Tel Aviv, was hit, part of a high-rise building in Tel Aviv was demolished, and some streets were turned into a branch of Gaza on the outskirts.
2. The attack demonstrated the power of modern Iranian missiles, which successfully penetrated the Iron Dome and American air defence systems, including THAAD. Hypersonics once again showed their superiority, demonstrating overwhelming superiority over current air defence systems. Israel sadly notes that Iran launches fewer missiles, but does so more accurately and effectively than in 2024.
3. Iran, after the attacks, again announced that it would stop attacks on Israel if Israel stopped its aggression. Since Israel’s attacks continued in the morning, we will see a third series of Iranian retaliatory strikes tonight. The IRGC and the Iranian military have the necessary sanctions. As well as the resources of the missile cities, which were practically untouched by the Israeli attack.
4. The options of a nuclear deal with the US and a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz are still on the table. Iran is ready for both negotiations and tough scenarios. In addition to the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, these include withdrawal from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The deadlock in nuclear negotiations with the US was a derivative of the US desire to deprive Iran of both nuclear energy and missile production programs. Iran has always been ready to exchange the renunciation of nuclear weapons for the lifting of sanctions and the free development of nuclear energy. It is not going to renounce missiles either.
5. The US has not yet publicly stated its desire to get involved in the war on Israel’s side, which Israel really wants and asks for, but this option is on the table for them too, they are now just watching how effectively Israel copes on its own. Judging by the hysteria in Tel Aviv, the backlash has turned out to be unexpectedly powerful for them. The US is also watching the reaction of other players. According to many unconfirmed reports, China and Pakistan are providing indirect support to Iran.
6. A series of attacks in Tehran that were presented as missile strikes turned out to be ordinary sabotage by Israeli agents. At night, a group of people with a drone launch vehicle was detained again in the Iranian capital. They hit 2 oil depots in Tehran. The number of arrests in Iran is in the dozens, and patrols have been increased on the streets. Israel can still carry out internal attacks. Our special services should be taken note of.
7. On Iran’s nuclear facilities. The facility in Fordow is intact. The facility in Natanz – the underground part is intact, the above-ground structures are destroyed. The plant in Isfahan – significantly damaged. Israel was unable to destroy the 2 main facilities. The facility in Fordow is the most difficult target.
Posted by: Tichy | Jun 15 2025 11:28 utc | 1164
————–
Speculation
CHINA HAS STARTED SUPPLYING MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS TO IRAN
———-June 15, 2025 at 4:50 pm #189951zerosum
ParticipantWARNING FROM USA:
We attack you but you cannot attack us or we will escalate our attacks.June 15, 2025 at 6:42 pm #189954my parents said know
ParticipantThat sounds like war.
What’s the rate of the exodus?
June 15, 2025 at 6:56 pm #189956zerosum
ParticipantAn appeal to the Iranian Authorities:
Please, please, send a few missiles to the Rafah border post with Egypt and destroy it. Aid can then flow into Gaza! This is a great opportunity!
Tonight, you say? Right on! I had earlier requested that the IOF forces around Gaza should also be visited by your missiles. Please consider this request too.
Piruzi!
————-Posted by: gb_grave | Jun 15 2025 12:28 utc | 1206
———-
June 15, 2025 at 7:19 pm #189959zerosum
Participanthttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Israel
2 big coal plants:
Hadera 2.56GW✅
Ashkelon 2.25GW7 NG plants
Ramla 1.33GW
Mt. Carmel 1.02GW
Dalia 0.86 GW
Ashkelon 0.80GW
Tazfit 0.60GW
Ramat 0.52GW
Mishor 0.44GWKnock out the 3 biggest and the math is clear. Power Plants aren’t that easy to knock out completely.
June 15, 2025 at 7:23 pm #189960WES
ParticipantWarmongers:
Sadly, we can’t stop the warmongers.
We have to let them start new wars.
We can only hope the warmongers then fail.The New Warfare Model:
Drones and missiles now make expensive big military equipment easy targets, that are nearly impossible to defend.
The more such big military targets, used to project military power, one has, the more vulnerable you now are.June 15, 2025 at 9:23 pm #189961zerosum
ParticipantHow many kinds of wars are we up to now?
Gas war
Air war
Missile War doesn’t need “Boots on the Ground”
“Proxy war s”
A legal civil war – mass protests, mob violence, and nationalized vigilantism, an element of unpredictability.
( RIOT WARS ARE Bully war, Trump war. “losing a war” just means paying taxes to a different banker.)
Racism war
A conventional war
Peace war
Genocide war
Communication war
Information war
Austerity or Tariffs wars
Sanctions wars
Propaganda wars
Border war
Drone wars
Electronic wars
Economic war
Financial wars
Banker’s war
Deficit war
Lawyer war
the Attrition war
and the Electric War
A PR war – inciting violence, and fomenting revolution————–
I’m Focused on what is important to me.
‘Closing the Strait of Hormuz is on the table’,
The price of gasJune 15, 2025 at 9:27 pm #189962D Benton Smith
ParticipantIf a few dozen spare missiles knocked holes in the prison walls around Gaza and the Westbank, then Hamas could probably figure out for itself what to do after that, especially with the IDF being kept busy elsewhere dodging missiles.
The next walls Israel will need to build are ones to prevent their Zionists from leaving.
June 15, 2025 at 9:28 pm #189963citizenx
ParticipantIran’s leadership isn’t just infiltrated by Israeli and Western intelligence…
The Shah, began questioning Zionist influence in the U.S. before his ouster, including making veiled references to AIPAC.That is the main problem. Israel the poisonous death cult virus.
The rest of the article smells like propaganda.It’s going to be ugly for the Iranian people.
It already is and has been for a long time- it’s also a massive problem for the US and rest of the world.
Israel is the root of evil and it continues to incite war globally.
Zelensky? J dictator scum…. Bibi…war criminal scum. American Zionists? Scum.
It all points in one continuous, consistent, direction.
Israel is a rogue terrorist genocidal abomination.…
• Poll: 90% of Americans Don’t Want US Involved in Israel-Iran War (CTH)
I don’t doubt those numbers.
Unfortunately the USG, Democrats OR Republicans- do not give a flying fuck about what the American people truly want and need. PEACE, health and prosperity.
Remind me who their handlers truly are ?
aipac, epstein, zionists?It could not be more obvious.
It’s going to be ugly for the Iranian people.
It already IS ugly for the American people, the Iranian people, the Human Race.
(((THEY))) just can’t seem to stop trying to control the world through lies, violence and disgusting behavior. That is the core root of the worlds problems.
June 15, 2025 at 9:29 pm #189964Dr D Rich
ParticipantHe used the word ‘Israel’ twice.
So there’s that.More “nothing” with the “ongoing”
-
(“nothing to do”)^²
Early this morning, President Trump reiterated that the USA has nothing to do with the ongoing attacks by Israel. The U.S. had nothing to do with the attack on Iran, tonight. If we are attacked in any way, shape or form by Iran, the full strength and might of the U.S. Armed Forces will come down on you at levels never seen before. However, we can easily get a deal done between Iran and Israel,Shopping for …Business Deals…no ethics but business as usual since everything can be shopped for at levels never seen before while sitting on a chair at Ross Park Mall.
June 15, 2025 at 9:35 pm #189965zerosum
Participant^^^^^^
class warJune 15, 2025 at 9:40 pm #189967tboc
Participant“imagine a boot stomping on the face of humanity for ever”
“Sadly, we can’t stop the warmongers.
We have to let them start new wars.
We can only hope the warmongers then fail.”“How noble in reason! How infinite in faculty!”
how perfectly cowardly
June 15, 2025 at 9:49 pm #189969citizenx
ParticipantOne could hope and pray that Israel would stop behaving like a traumatized nation, built on fear, contempt, hostility and lies.
One could pray they would interact with kindness, compassion and benevolence to their neighbors and the world.
Their choice, their traumatized brainwashed propagandized mindset. It’s unfortunate and shameful- same could be said for the “leaders” of the US and West…
It’s really quite simple, play nice, play fair, be honest.June 15, 2025 at 9:57 pm #189970zerosum
Participant^^^^^^^^
Not Conventional warJune 15, 2025 at 10:04 pm #189971zerosum
Participanthttps://english.almanar.com.lb/2434665
Al-Manar has collected images and scenes of the destruction in ‘Israel’ due to Iran’s retaliatory missile attacks which struck the Zionist entity in response to the deadly aggression on the Islamic Republic.June 15, 2025 at 11:28 pm #189974citizenx
ParticipantU.S./ Israel declare Iran as an enemy that must be controlled and or destroyed.
U.S./ Ukraine declare Russia as the enemy.Both Ukraine and Israel depend on, and use, U.S. weapons, intel and finances to wage their wars of aggression- without which they would not be able to do so.
…
The U.S. is openly funding, arming and supporting both wars against Russia and Iran.
The U.S. openly threatens China.Why does Putin even bother speaking with Trump at this point?
When do Russia, Iran and China stop playing games and get to what will eventually need to be done?
The US, Ukraine and Israel are agreement incapable.
Waiting (hoping) for them to collapse internally also runs the risk of them lashing out with nukes in desperation.Unity against the US seems like their only path for survival ultimately.
Trump is a fucking disaster.June 15, 2025 at 11:37 pm #189975zerosum
ParticipantReport is 70 missiles launched today.
June 15, 2025 at 11:53 pm #189976John Day
ParticipantWorld War Of Attrition https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/world-war-of-attrition
Where are we in the flow of history after Friday the 13th? Is Trump wholeheartedly in cahoots with genocidal Zionists in Israel-Palestine, or merely completely owned by them? Does it matter? Is he “agreement capable” a little bit, in some things, or not at all? Does his heart’s desire matter, whatever it might be?
This is so hard to suss out that I won’t try. Trump acts as if he is owned, and is willing to lie and disseminate to accomplish the desired ends of those at the reins of the Israeli state.
What are the interests of the Israeli State? In 1982 “The Zionist Plan For The Middle East” was translated and published. Here is an opening excerpt:
“To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small state by the dissolution of all existing Arab states.” https://archive.org/details/the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east-by-oded-yinon-israel-shahak-yinon-oded-shah/mode/1up So Israel has systemically worked to weaken and break up all neighboring states. Egypt has been politically and financiially co-opted with US assistance, Iraq has been invaded and subdued, Syria has been violently regime-changed, and Lebanon has been wracked by internal war for 50 years. Iran is the last regional power which has not been subdued, and retains an adversarial and autonomous stance, despite imperial sanctions and intrigues. Things standing in the way of Israeli regional hegemony include Palestinians on their ancestral lands, principled Yemenis, principled resistance in Lebanon and other co-opted countries, and the government of Iran.
Attacking Iran, with the threat of nuclear war, is an attention getter, a distraction from the genocide of Palestinians in Occupied Palestine, including Gaza and the West Bank. Will Israel gas them as the world looks elsewhere? Starving, bombing, destroying their water and sewers, and attacking native Palestinians with diseases has not accomplished the “final solution” yet.
Iranian people have long undergone austerity from imperial sanctions, while the country remained on an effective war-footing, putting resources into war preparations. This has made people deeply unhappy, and the empire has attempted color revolution there, which came up short, but many years have now passed. Regime change appears to be the imperial goal for the current war.
How might Iran declare victory? Would surviving be enough? They are keeping that bar set fairly low. Continuing nuclear power generation and low level uranium enrichment appears to be what they are currently touting as prevailing. They can’t invade Israel, and Israel can’t invade Iran.
Israel seems to have set the victory-bar at destroying Iranian nuclear and military capacities, but that is a very high bar, and Iran can still strike Israel’s nuclear reactors and electrical grid generation and transmission infrastructure.
At the extremes, Israel seems unlikely to be broken in any way without inflicting nuclear attacks upon neighbors, as well as Iran. How could “they” fold without playing that card? It seems possible, but complicated and expensive. Who would do the payoffs?
Would Iran make and deliver a nuclear warhead if driven to the extreme? They have said that they could make a device in 2 weeks.
Iran, like Russia and China, who openly support Iran in this, is conservative, risk averse in war, so likely to continue a long campaign against Israel, not rising to a provocation to nuclear attack. Israel is vulnerable to a long war of attrition, as its soldiers and citizens tire of the austerities required. Shipping restrictions take their toll. People can’t work in air raid shelters…
Israel seems to seek a “justification” for a nuclear attack, and is bound to spend much time considering false flag attacks upon US interests, to blame on Iran, among possible ways to get the US to go to war against Iran, in the interests of the Zionist state.
European finance, Black Rock and The City of London interests, are broadly considered to be over-leveraged into bad investments in Ukraine, needing a bigger war, with energency powers, rather than a peace with new territorial boundaries, which would force them to declare losses on their interests in areas incorporated into Russia.
The underlying reality is the post-peak-oil decline of industrial economy in the world, as finance continue to show exponential growth, until some crisis forces finance to again approximately reflect real economy. If World War 3 is somehow avoided, then the power hierarchy will change in our world, as it is doing to some degree, already. This is messy and unsatisfactory. It looks it will be messy and unsatisfactory for a long time to come, which is a best case scenario.Celia Farber, A Member Of Our Family Is In Egypt With The Sumoud Convoy—Has Sent Urgent Messages She Asked Us To Share
Israel Demanded Egypt Take Military Action To Put Down The Peaceful Protest. As Israel Strikes Iran, And Iran Retaliates, Gaza Has Fallen Into Darkness, And The World Fears The Unthinkable
Just when the convoy got underway, Gaza fell into a blackout— almost completely cut off from the outside world—no electricity, no internet for several days. It is feared that a total liquidation could be underway, in the darkness, away from the eyes and ears of the world. https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/a-member-of-our-family-is-in-egyptThe establishment spin on that: Leftist Protesters Attempting “Global March To Gaza” Get Beaten And Arrested In Egypt https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/leftist-protesters-attempting-global-march-gaza-get-beat-and-arrested-egypt
Friday 13 (late): Israel Says Another Missile Barrage Launched From Iran Overnight, Casualties Rise (And Netanyahu is rumored to be in Greece)
Missile sirens sound across north as IDF says new barrage launched from Iran
More than 60 Israelis wounded in barrages
Israelis rush back into shelters in the north
Senior Iranian official threatens that Iran will target countries that try to defend Israel
Iran says Israel has killed 78 people, including senior military officials, and wounded more than 320 people in Iran,
AJ: Trump stays out of ‘public eye’ as Israel-Iran conflict escalates
Air-defenses seen active once again Friday late night over the Iranian capital of Tehran
Israeli says it completely destroyed Tabriz military base in Iran
Next Israeli attack: potential targets are likely economic, including oil and gas infrastructure which resources the IRGC, and political and leadership targets.
FOX: The U.S. Army is assisting in shooting down incoming Iranian missiles with Patriot Pac-3 missiles and with Thaad
Israel completely evacuates Ben Gurion International Airport — including civilian aircrafts
US confirms: American equipment and assets used in defending Israel against Iran strikes
International media widely confirms several major strikes on Israeli cities
At least seven Israelis injured, some in serious condition
AJ: Israeli attacks could push Iran to pursue nuclear weapon
Iran closes airspace until tomorrow afternoon
Iran says the missiles are the ‘beginning’ of its ‘crushing response’
Trump warns Iran to agree to a deal ‘before there is nothing left’
Axios reports that the Trump admin briefed lawmakers before Israeli strikes began
There is radiological and chemical contamination at Natanz: IAEA’s Grossi to UN Security Council
“Israel destroyed the above-ground part of the Natanz nuclear facility. There are no indications of damage to the underground enrichment facilities at the site.” https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/over-200-israeli-warplanes-used-against-iran-trump-warns-even-more-brutal-attacksJune 15, 2025 at 11:55 pm #189977John Day
ParticipantGlenn Greenwald: Israel, in 2021, built its new IDF supreme command post in the heart of Tel Aviv, buried beneath blocks of civilian buildings.
Called the “Fortress of Zion,” it was deliberately placed so it couldn’t be attacked without seeming to target civilian sites. https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1933598670144082016Trump Rejects Netanyahu’s Request To Join War, As Israel Needs Large US Bunker Buster Bombs https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-proclaims-total-air-superiority-over-iranian-capital-area-war-intensifies
Simplicius, True Promise 3: Iran Responds With Long-Awaited Hypersonic Retaliation
Iran launched the next stage of their True Promise 3.0 operation, targeting various sites of Israeli energy and military infrastructure. This time it reportedly included the latest Fattah-1 hypersonic missiles…
..Among the targets was the Haifa refinery and Israeli research center of the Weizmann Institute for Science in Rehovot, near Tel Aviv…
..The Haifa Oil Refinery in northern occupied Palestine supplies more than 60% of Israel’s fuel needs, from gasoline and diesel to jet fuel for the Air Force. With these facilities damaged in tonight’s Iranian attack, Israel’s will face a fuel problem. This successful attack on Haifa’s refinery is a strategic blow to Israel’s economic and military backbone…
..The Weizmann Institute for Science, has been damaged by an Iranian ballistic missile in the most recent attacks on central Israel. The building is located in Rehovot, south of Tel Aviv, and a fire has reportedly broken out…
..Israel had likewise hit Iran’s largest natural gas field—the South Pars—which also happens to be the largest in the world…
..Most of Israel’s strike footage against Iranian ground assets turned out to be decoys, as none of the MRBMs were seen to ignite at all after massive ordnance landed on top of them…
..Clips emerged of some ‘large aircraft’ Iran claimed were destroyed F-35s, but which were probably drones. Also, claims of Israeli ‘infiltration’ success and ‘secret bases’ appeared to be more exaggerated psyop fodder as it turned out Israelis were operating out of secret Azerbaijan bases, launching drones and various other objects at Iran from every direction. This, by the way, is not anything new…
..Israel does not have the bunker buster bombs needed to destroy the Fordow nuclear facility in the mountains.
The US has them. And an Israeli official told Axios that “the US could still join the operation, and that President Trump even suggested he would do so if necessary when he spoke to Netanyahu in the days leading up to the attack.”
“But a White House spokesman denied that, telling Axios that Trump had said the opposite”...
..The plan all along was obviously to goad Iran into an overwhelming response that would somehow incite the US to enter the war on behalf of Israel, in order to finish off Iran. The nuclear program was likely a false target, the real objective being the total overthrow of Iran’s leadership and the fomenting of civilian uprisings throughout the country to bring Iran to heel under a Western puppet-led government…
..Trump stands poised on the knife’s edge of one of his most historically critical decisions—whether to betray the mandate of the American people and consign his second term and dwindling legacy to the trash heap of history, or to pull back on the strings of Miriam Adelson and other donors and show a spine in standing up for the real ‘America First’ vision he promised...
..What if Trump was actually setting a trap for Israel the entire time? Israel had expected the US to join in and “finish off Iran”, while Trump could now pull the rug from under them, leaving Israel to its devices and instead letting Iran finish Israel off—or at least facilitate the deposition of the Bibi regime. Could it be? … I have it as 70/30 chance that saner heads prevail in the US with Trump electing to not enter the war. https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/true-promise-3-iran-responds-withTake with a grain of salt, but likely: Trump Vetoed Israeli Plan To Assassinate Ayatollah Khamenei: Report https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-vetoed-israeli-plan-assassinate-ayatollah-khamenei-us-officials
Trump Hints At ‘Possible’ US Entry Into War Amid Stepped-Up Israeli Daytime Attacks On Tehran
President Trump in fresh comments to ABC News has begun to change the White House tune a little, as he now says it’s ‘possible’ the US ‘could get involved’ in the Israel-Iran conflict.
He told ABC’s Rachel Scott that “it’s possible we could get involved” – however he emphasized that the US military is “not at this moment involved” in the conflict. He pivoted to calling for peaceful resolution, saying the US would be “open” to Russian President Vladimir Putin being a mediator in. “He is ready. He called me about it. We had a long talk about it.” https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-hints-possible-us-entry-war-amid-stepped-israeli-daytime-attacks-tehranJune 15, 2025 at 11:56 pm #189978John Day
ParticipantOnline Poll Highlights 90 Percent of Respondents Do Not Want USA Involved in Israel War Against Iran https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/06/13/remarkable-online-poll-highlights-90-percent-of-respondents-do-not-want-usa-involved-in-israel-war-against-iran/#more-273042
Celia Farber, late Friday: Surreal Scenes As Iran And Houthi’s Bombard Tel Aviv With Hypersonic Missiles, And Israel Fires Back, From Densely Populated Areas; Sirens Activated Across Israel—Did US Plan Attack With Israel?
Yemeni People Watch Bombardments On Large Public Screen, And Tomorrow, Planned, Synchronized “Civil War,” May Kick Off Across US. Other Than That, Everything Is Fine https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/surreal-scenes-as-iran-and-houthisNon-nuclear target of convenience?: Israel Attack Targets Refinery At Iran’s Giant South Pars Gas Field https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/israel-attack-targets-refinery-irans-giant-south-pars-gas-field
“Now a war of attrition between Israel and Iran” per Military Summary, with US supplying Israel and Russia and China supplying Iran, likely with air to air missiles, which were effective when used by Pakistan against Indian fighter jets recently. China Has Started Supplying Weapons To Iran Sumy Front Collapses Military Summary For 2025.06.15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq_lVtuVpcg
‘We Knew Everything,’ Trump Tells Reuters about Israel’s Strikes on Iran https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/news-services/reuters/20250614-263711/
June 15, 2025 at 11:57 pm #189979John Day
Participant Celia Farber, Time Of Israel Reports That Trump Tricked Iran With Decoy Diplomacy: “Donald Trump Has Established Himself In The Last 48 Hours As A Liar.” Larry Johnson, Former CIA Analyst, To Andrew Napolitano
“Why do you think that Donald Trump kept up this pretense of being a man of peace while planning this dastardly attack for months with Bibi Netanyahu?” Napolitano Asks Wilkerson, And Other Guests. https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/time-of-israel-reports-that-trump Putin and Trump discuss Iran and Ukraine – Kremlin: The Russian and US presidents spoke by phone on Saturday
The Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov called the conversation “meaningful, frank, and most importantly, very useful.” Putin condemned Israel’s strikes on Friday, particularly noting that they occurred just before nuclear negotiations between Iran and the US scheduled for June 15, he said.
“Despite such a complicated situation, the Russian and American presidents didn’t rule out a return to the negotiating track on the Iranian nuclear program,” Putin’s aide added.
On Friday, Iran confirmed that Israeli attacks killed Major General Hossein Salami, commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, and Major General Mohammad Bagheri, chief of staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, along with several nuclear scientists. In retaliation, Tehran fired dozens of ballistic missiles into Israel, some of which reportedly breached its air defenses. https://swentr.site/russia/619309-putin-trump-discuss-iran-ukraine/Has the stealthy F-35 met its match? Iran claims capture of Israeli pilots amid reports of third jet shoot-down
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/has-the-stealthy-f-35-met-its-match-iran-claims-capture-of-israeli-pilots-amid-reports-of-third-jet-shoot-down/articleshow/121849961.cmsIran detains Israeli female fighter jet pilot https://en.mehrnews.com/news/233090/Iran-detains-Israeli-female-fighter-jet-pilot
Who will last longer? ISRAEL SAYS IT’S ‘STRIKING IRAN’ AS MISSILES HIT HAIFA REFINERY https://iranwire.com/en/news/142142-israel-says-its-striking-iran-as-missiles-hit-haifa-refinery/
June 15, 2025 at 11:58 pm #189980John Day
Participant Iranian missiles land in Haifa, cause fire in strategic site: IRGC telegram channel said a massive fire was ignited in Haifa refinery as a result of Iranian missile attack. https://en.mehrnews.com/news/233155/Iranian-missiles-land-in-Haifa-cause-fire-in-strategic-site
Thursday, Israeli Forces Kill 103 Palestinians in Gaza, Including 21 Aid Seekers https://news.antiwar.com/2025/06/12/israeli-forces-kill-103-palestinians-in-gaza-including-21-aid-seekers/
Choking Palestinians everywhere: Israel Seals off the Occupied West Bank https://english.aawsat.com/arab-world/5154052-israel-seals-occupied-west-bank
The wheels fall off of ‘Gideon’s Chariots’ in Gaza
Threat after threat came, yet the only thing that continued to materialize was airstrikes that targeted civilians in Gaza. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/opinion/the-wheels-fall-off-of–gideon-s-chariots–in-gaza Meryl Nass MD, Israel has been saying Iran is about to get a nuclear weapon for 30 years. Israel did take out Iraq’s nuclear facility in 1981. Vanunu said Israel had over 100 nuclear weapons back in 1986.
Mordechai Vanunu, an Israeli nuclear technician, was kidnapped in Italy and spent most of the rest of his life in an Israeli jail for this. https://merylnass.substack.com/p/israel-has-been-saying-iran-is-aboutJune 16, 2025 at 12:00 am #189981John Day
Participant China will keep supplying Iran with weapons on credit for oil contracts: China warns of ‘serious consequences’ after Israeli strikes on Iran, urges de-escalation https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/china-warns-of-serious-consequences-after-israeli-strikes-on-iran-urges-de-escalation/3596460
Not the decisive moment yet: Battered Hezbollah Says It Will Stay Out Of Iran-Israel Fight https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/battered-hezbollah-stays-it-will-stay-out-iran-israel-fight
Is Bibi really in Athens for secret talks? Iran’s intel breach involves Israeli nuke plans, surveillance, organ trafficking: Report
Tehran has also reportedly obtained access to a ‘secret Mossad archive’ and private information from Netanyahu’s office https://thecradle.co/articles/irans-intel-breach-involves-israeli-nuke-plans-surveillance-organ-trafficking-report Pepe Escobar, The whole planet is being kept hostage by a death cult
Let’s cut to the chase. The devastating attack on Iran by the psychopathological genocidal “chosen” ethno-supremacist set up in Tel Aviv – a de facto declaration of war – was coordinated in detail with the President of the United States, Circus Ringmaster Donald Trump.
This infantilism-afflicted Narcissus Drowned in the Pool of his Own Image gave away the game, himself, in a rambling post. Selected highlights:
“I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal”. No “deal”; actually his unilateral demands. After all, he torpedoed the original deal, the JCPOA, because it was not his “deal”.
“I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told.” The decision to strike had already been made.
“Certain Iranian hardliners spoke bravely, but (…) they are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse!” Gloating comes with the territory.
“The next already planned attacks being even more brutal.” Total alignment with the trademark Israeli “decapitation” strategy.
“Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire”. … ..Air defenses are nowhere to be seen. It’s immensely painful to watch.
IDF spin – nothing verified so far – claims that some missile silos and mobile complexes were destroyed even before they were placed on combat alert. Yet the fact is that the overwhelming majority of Iran’s vast arsenal of ballistic missiles is stored in deep, deep underground silos and tunnels, capable of withstanding massive air strikes and overloaded air defenses.
For the moment, Tehran is eerily silent. That makes sense, because they need, in record time, to re-establish a unified chain of command which was smashed by the attacks; make sure that missile launchers can be deployed and not be neutralized by Israeli air supremacy; reorganize the True Promise 3 operation, which was ready to go, as some of us learned in Tehran last month, but now adapted to the new situation…
..There is no evidence that the attacks destroyed Iran’s nuclear infrastructure – which is buried deep underground. As it stands, the leadership in Tehran is learning the hard way that diplomacy – committees, letters to the UN, statements to the IAEA, ministerial meetings – all that is eviscerated when it comes to the law of the jungle…
..Systematically erasing Iran’s military and diplomatic leadership in a matter of hours fits the rationale of smashing Khamenei’s close circle. That has started long ago with the Trump-ordered killing of Soleimani and certainly includes the mysterious death of former President Raisi and FM Abdollahian in that dodgy helicopter “accident”. It’s all about creating the conditions for regime change…
..We are all riders on the storm now. https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/06/13/the-whole-planet-is-being-kept-hostage-by-a-death-cult/Israel Says it Deported 6 More Activists Detained on Gaza Aid Boat https://english.aawsat.com/world/5153642-israel-says-it-deported-6-more-activists-detained-gaza-aid-boat
-
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.







Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.