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Thanks Antidote,
Fair questions. At some point, the unvaccinated will/do possess something that the vaccinated will no longer be able to. Not looking forward to riding the next wave out.
choochParticipantCurrently in the Philippines, cases are down from the latest peak but the percentage of people dying from COVID-19 is increasing.
In the past four weeks, the case fatality rate or the percentage of COVID-19 patients dying in relation to the new confirmed cases has more than doubled, averaging more than 3 percent, compared to the previous rate of 1.5 percent at the peak of the surge.
Could this increasing death rate be an indicator of the dreaded antibody dependent enhancement (ADE)?
choochParticipantHumbleness
choochParticipantNov. 11
Israel successfully completes COVID-19 ‘war game’
The “Omega Exercise,” as it was called by Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, was meant to prepare for a hypothetical, new COVID-19 variant.
(Jerusalem Post Article: Link won’t post)
Nov. 22nd
Israel starts vaccinating young children as coronavirus cases rise
Israel began rolling out Pfizer/BioNtech COVID-19 vaccinations for 5- to 11-year-olds on Monday hoping to beat down a recent rise in coronavirus infections.
A fourth wave of infections that hit Israel in June began subsiding in September. But over the past two weeks the “R”, or reproduction rate of the virus, that had remained below one for two months began climbing and has now crossed that threshold, indicating the virus could again be spreading exponentially.
(Boosters were rolled out in June)
Nov 27
Coronavirus in Israel: 517 new cases, 125 in serious condition
(Jerusalem Post Article: Link won’t post)
choochParticipantWife
choochParticipantWite
choochParticipantAfter I get off the planet fitness treadmill, gonna hang with my and watch Kubo and the Two Strings. Need to stop and get popcorn on the way home.
choochParticipantManufacturing chaos. Check out comments too.
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/27/2066422/-Omicron-Updates-and-continuing-discussion
Ditto. More virtue signaling
https://mobile.twitter.com/MoritzGerstung/status/1464287423463141384
Interestingly, as I researched today a common thread began to emerge connecting the common cold, HIV and corona virus mutations. It’s loose, lots of gobbliegook to sort out. I’m tired, mind won’t calm down, what’s the point.
choochParticipantZerosum
1st detected
b.1.351 (beta) may2020
b.1.1.529 (omicron) nov2021
Both both detected South Africa.
CONCLUSIONS
A two-dose regimen of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine did not show protection against mild-to-moderate Covid-19 due to the B.1.351 variant. (Funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and others;https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2102214
I am not sure what you are trying to link up with the new variant. Not saying that you are not on to something but I am having trouble getting on the same page.
choochParticipantAntigen: a toxin or other foreign substance which induces an immune response in the body
The spike protein is an antigen
T lymphocytes are part of the immune system and develop from stem cells in the bone marrow. They help protect the body from infection.
Fevers promote T lymphocyte trafficking
T cells represent the major component of the adaptive immune response. It has long been established that T cells respond to myocardial antigens in specific inflammatory states: infection of heart cells; conditions such as autoimmune myocarditis, in which self-tolerance to cardiac antigens becomes disturbed; and cardiac allograft rejection as a response to foreign antigens (48). In these cases, the T-cell immune response results in acute and chronic inflammatory processes that impair cardiac function by direct cytotoxicity or by enhancing the inflammatory functions of other cells. This results in permanent damage to the cardiac tissue that is replaced by fibrosis and often leads to dilated cardiomyopathy with congestive heart failure (HF). Thus, under the above primary inflammatory conditions, T cells can drive the pathogenesis of HF.
T-cell recruitment to the heart: friendly guests or unwelcome visitors?
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpheart.00028.2019Trials were performed to determine the rate of people who experienced side-effects after receiving a “placebo”, or an injection of saline instead of the vaccine. People involved in the trials did not know whether or not they received the vaccine. This helps researchers understand the background rate of these side-effects in the population.
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The rate of fever
Moderna 1st 0.9%
Moderna 2nd 17.4%Pfizer 1st 3.7%
Pfizer 2nd 15.8%J&J 12.8%
Raul posted this yesterday
'They aren't going to publish their findings, they are concerned about losing research money'
Dr Aseem Malhotra reveals a cardiology researcher found similar results to a new report showing an increase in risk of heart attack following the mRNA COVID vaccine. pic.twitter.com/63evorQwlJ
— GB News (@GBNEWS) November 25, 2021
Worth repeating,
It has long been established that T cells respond to myocardial antigens in specific inflammatory states: infection of heart cellsTake your index finger and position it on your deltoid muscle. Trace up the shoulder and across collar bone. This is the path that your lymphatic fluid, carrying spike proteins and spike protein factories, will take. As it gets closer to the central region the lymphatic fluid will dump into the subclavian veins, then the superior vena cava and into to the heart.
Fever is a sign of infection, possibly an infected heart muscle.
choochParticipantBy the numbers-doc’s link(US high school/college)
7/1/2019 thru 6/302020
30 sudden cardiac events
12 exertion fatalities (11 High school/1 college)We are 5 months into the next reporting period.
TAE commentators – something does seem right
Other(s) – nothing out of the ordinary.
My opinion based on my understanding of the mechanisms of the infection and the shot I would say if you have had a serious case of Covid or got the injection I would probably error on the side of caution in regards to pushing your heart muscle up to your pre-Covid/Jab limits.
(Disclaimer: My of area interest has more to do with bicycles, cars and jet engines though I find the immune system fascinating)
choochParticipantAt the heart of matter is whether or not the interaction between the immune system and circulating spike proteins post injection can lead to various degrees of heart muscle damage. Granted, an individual may have underlying conditions to begin with but that would not eliminate its potential role in precipitating a sudden cardiac event. Again, autopsies could be useful. Deja vu all over again.
choochParticipantFrom Doc’s link,
Sudden cardiac arrest (45.5%) was the most common type of event
From July 1, 2019 to June 30, 2020 there were a total of 76 catastrophic injuries/illnesses captured by NCCSIR among high school and college organized sport participants. Of these, 66 events were due to or occurred during sport-related activities (Table 11). There were also 10 catastrophic events that occurred during non-sport related activity (8 cardiac-related, 1 infectious illness, and 1 suspected cardiac): 2 collegiate and 8 high school level; 3 female and 7 males; 9 fatal and 1 non fatal
Sudden cardiac arrest (45.5%) was the most common type of event
Sport: 66 x 0.455=30
Non sport: 8 (possibly 9)Less than 1 per week.
Going forward, I will still be on the lookout for the medical community to start describing this phenomena as Sudden Athlete Death Syndrome (SADS).
choochParticipantThey are labeling it “Nu”
Nu’s 32 mutations ‘potentially problematic’ for vaccines
choochParticipantFear blitzkrieg, just type “B.1.1.529 first detected” in your search bar.
Though this is concerning
Prof Francois Balloux, the director of the UCL Genetics Institute, said the large number of mutations in the variant apparently accumulated in a “single burst”, suggesting it may have evolved during a chronic infection in a person with a weakened immune system, possibly an untreated HIV/Aids patient.
Looks like global trial in process (South Africa included) which involves HIV positive cohorts.
The Phase III programme is set to enrol about 44,000 participants globally, with focus on trial population diversity, including those with chronic, stable HIV, hepatitis C or hepatitis B infection.
Pfizer-BioNTech Phase III Covid-19 vaccine trial starts in South Africa
choochParticipantHoly hell, the ramp on the cases associated with the new variant in S. Africa is not normal. Couldn’t possibly have anything to with the recently launched oral vaccine trial.
choochParticipantDr. D said,
“I’ve got one: although I can see the numbers rise with every vaccination – Scotland being a good example now 10% over the 5-year mortality rates – anecdotally I can see the unvaccinated getting Covid, and the vaccinated having no reaction – to the jab, which is noteworthy or even suspicious in itself, AND no health problems at this time. This is against our argument AND the official numbers, but the numbers provided have been lies all along, so…? Are they so clever as to create two whole narrative tracks and support BOTH with fabrications?”
This may have been discussed, but the idea that there are significant amounts of saline only lots being distributed would generate this type of conundrum. Didn’t the polish scientist with images of the tentacled creatures indicate that 2 or 3 of 5 vials contained saline only. Also, wasn’t it recently reported that severe out comes were specific to certain lots. The poling data in today’s link indicates ~40 percent reporting no reaction.
choochParticipantchoochParticipantA striking pattern of rapid normalization of breathing function was observed in a retrospective cohort study of consecutive hospitalized patients with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 who were treated at four Florida hospitals [273, 285]. Patients in the treatment group (n=173) received IVM at a low dose of 200 μg/kg, some with repeated doses at weekly intervals, plus usual care, with the control group (n=107) receiving usual care matched in age, race and comorbidities. Although a reduction in mortality for the treated vs. control group, 40%, was less than those obtained at higher doses [274-276], significant improvements in patient status within a short period were noteworthy. Stabilization and then improvement in respiratory function often occurred within 1-2 days after IVM treatment, even for patients who had been deteriorating rapidly from room air to supplemental oxygen at up to a 50% mixture (FiO2 ≤ 0.5).
choochParticipantThanks for that germ. It looks like they will roll out boosters in Japan starting Dec. 1st. It will be interesting see what the uptake will be, will a new wave get triggered and how IVM might factor in.
choochParticipantThere is a recent article in the Jerusalem Post, titled
More than 10,000 COVID-19 booster breakthroughs – cause for concern?
You will have to search on it. Tried several times yesterday and today but doesn’t seem to like the link when I try to post.
Wonder how the 0.27% breakthrough rate for the booster compared to the infection rate among the unvaccinated. Also, how long after receiving a booster are you considered fully vaccinated again?
choochParticipantTest
choochParticipantThe Ireland graph that Raul linked this morning reminded of the chart that was associated with the “What happened in Central Europe” tweet that was mentioned last night in the comments. The basic premise is that this wave was being triggered by a significant drop in relative humidity. Here are vaccination statistics (% fully vaccinated and % bolstered) for those countries (also included Ireland which is not part of Central Europe)
Croatia 40% / 0.0%
Slovakia 42% / 0.0%
Slovenia 46% / 0.0%
Czechia 56% / 0.2%
Hungary 58% / 9.2%
Austria 62% / 1.6%
Germany 65% / 1.4%Ireland 75% / 1.4%
Potential trigger(s) for latest wave
Humidity drop
Late summer/early fall rollout of boosters
Rush to get school age children jabbed for school
https://mobile.twitter.com/kparve/status/1462398425924780040
choochParticipant@Tim Groves,
Thanks for the “in Japan” perspective. I would post a link to the song “Turning Japanese” by the Vapors but it’s pretty cheesy.
choochParticipantA study comparing unvaccinated hospitalized recovered vs vaccinated hospitalized recovered where the unvaccinated remain unvaccinated and the vaccinated get a booster. We need a control group to balance any claims related to booster effectiveness. Anything been posted on this yet, Israel, UK..,?
choochParticipantinorbitt,
Pull up a Covid case history of Japan.
Roll out of vaccines begin Feb. 17th
The trough between the 1st and 2nd wave occurs around Mar. 7th. Around 1000 cases were reported that day.
The peak occurs about two months later, May 15th. About 6900 case reported that day. By this time only 1.9M people vaccinated (1.5%)
About this time, vaccination begins to accelerate.
There is a trough between the 2nd and 3rd wave that occurs around June 28th, around 1500 cases that day.
The peak of the third wave occurs 2 months later around Aug. 25th, 24K cases reported that day.
Sometime before the third peak, IVM becomes a buzz in Japan. Vaccination uptake is around 55M (43.9%)
There is around 100 cases being reported today, 96.5M (77%) people are vaccinated.
It’s good to draw and share your own conclusions.
My current take is that the virus will do what they due pretty much do irrespective of masks, social distancing and vaccination.
Vaccination campaigns seem to be counter productive. A new wave seems to originate following accelerated uptakes. Censored experts have discussed mechanisms behind this.
Japan is unique in some respects relative to western nations. For instance, not obese, more homogeneous in behavior.
Personally (I am no doctor), if Covid infection moved from respiratory to circulatory (things aren’t improving after 8 to 10 days) I would want IVM, HCQ, and some kind of corticosteroids on hand. As far as an antibiotic like AZ, I am pretty anti antibiotic, not opposed, just very conservative.
choochParticipantDeflationista,
Did you catch this?
Those Of Us Who Are Being Honest Truly Don’t Know What Happens Next… Nor Does Anyone Else
I might be mistaken, but I thought you might find it of interest.
choochParticipantTDK,
I’ve looked in to it. Should have started years ago.
choochParticipantThanks Doc,
Things like previous Covid infection which will probably be an invisible precursor in the data to boost the effectiveness of the boosters.
This seems to run along the same logic used when comparing an unvaccinated Amish population to a vaccinated population. Nothing to see here too many confounding factors.
So I wonder what Berenson’s graph will look like in the limit? At some point they should come together? Not going to hold my breath.
choochParticipantDoc Robinson,
Have you scrubbed any of the results of these React-1 surveys? It seems they don’t like the conclusions when compare vaxed and unvaxed.
Statistical adjustments can be made to try to allow for these other differences, and that was done in this study, but those adjustments can only go so far. Since, particularly in older age groups in England, the vast majority of people have been vaccinated, the differences between those who have been vaccinated and those who remain unvaccinated are quite marked. Also the estimates of positivity in the unvaccinated group will not be very precise, statistically, because the number of unvaccinated people in older age groups is so small nowadays. So, rightly in my view, the researchers do not present detailed overall estimates of vaccine effectiveness comparing all vaccinated and all unvaccinated people.
Is there any validity to this caveat in your opinion?
choochParticipantDeflationista,
Certainly not IVM, but If you or a friend got covid, what would you recommend for treatment? Just curious.
choochParticipantDarkMatter,
At an exec summary level these two images sum it up. The last entry in each table should generate some curiosity but to the degree that they may have sacrificed their moral autonomy to the greater
goodevil, might make a tough sell.choochParticipantDaniel 2:44
“In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.”Happened? Happening? Or will happen?
Not that we should get too hung up on the question.
choochParticipantMore and more ominous/insidious by the day. Fight we must.
choochParticipantRestitution of All Things
choochParticipantVeracious,
Seems you have stored up some proper treasures in this life.
If Dr. D’s leap to palingenesis is too big a step, I would recommend Andrew Jukes “Restitution of A Things”.
choochParticipantchoochParticipantGet this. I have had some pain building in my lower back. Yesterday I get up and it is more intense. By noon, I am unable to urinate, the pain is making nauseous and I am sweating bullets. Finally leave work and when I get home take some heavy duty pain killers. Wife gets home and can tell something is up. I tell her that I think I have kidney stone. She gets me some lemon oil and fills a couple capsules. Then she gives me a capsule of frankense, Idaho balsam fir and copaiba. I couple hours later I can finally urinate freely and the pain is gone.
choochParticipantHere is the closing paragraph from the red/blue county article. Totally nuts.
“Still, nobody knows what will happen next. Much of the recent decline in caseloads is mysterious, which means it may not last. And the immunity from vaccination appears to be much stronger than the immunity from infection, which means that conservative Americans will probably continue to suffer an outsized amount of unnecessary illness and death.”
© 2021 The New York Times Company
choochParticipantInteresting, All of the Sudden, the Media’s No Longer Interested In Blaming COVID on Political Ideology
https://ianmsc.substack.com/p/all-of-the-sudden-the-medias-no-longer
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