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Now THAT’s what I’m talking about!’ I thought as I watched.
Moth to a flame.
choochParticipantchoochParticipantHmmm, didn’t see that coming.
Or did I appreciate this.
Which employees are covered?
All employees of covered employers, whether full-time, part-time or temporary, are covered by the OSHA ETS except for employees (a) who do not perform work in any location (other than the employee’s residence) where other individuals are present; (b) while working from home; or (c) who work exclusively outdoors.Additionally, the OSHA ETS does not apply to employees in workplaces covered by the federal contractor vaccine mandate (issued September 24, 2021), the previously-issued OSHA ETS for healthcare workers (issued June 11, 2021), or the new CMS Rule.
choochParticipantLost the sperm adjective this go round. Not a bot then?
Man, I have missed your thoughts, comments, knowledge, wisdom to challenge our thinking. Refreshing.
Everyone has a bias. Circumventing that bias is always a challenge for persons seeking to retain an open rational logical mind. Trolls, human, robotic, or cyborgian, ignore that challenge in themselves while obnoxiously foisting it upon others.
choochParticipantHey I liked your stewpeter play. What’s really eating you? Anyway, I think to have a discussion about my hunch you should familiarize yourself with this Kahn Academy series on the lymphatic/circulatory system. My heart (pun intended) is helping my brothers and sisters beat the mandate, but I will get back to this in the future. I take it you got the shot. So while you are studying try and imagine where all those LNPs are going. Each one with the potential to make 150 million spikes over a two day period. There are two key pieces of understanding buried in series.
choochParticipantI have hunch these involve clotting. Different mechanism, Hard to now without proper autopsies.
choochParticipantchoochParticipantUpdated OSHA ETS being published. Affects all companies with 100 or more employees, public or private. Attorney Generals are saddling up.
I am confused, you state that OSHA will not require employers to implement vaccine mandates but isn’t that what the order does?…
“Under this standard, covered employers must develop, implement and enforce a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy, unless they adopt a policy requiring employees to choose to either be vaccinated or undergo regular COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at work.” from https://www.osha.gov/news/newsreleases/national/11042021
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** Eric J. Conn November 4, 2021 at 1:20 pm No. It doesn’t. It’s worded very strangely, sort of suggesting that it will mandate vaccines, but they did just to make it clear that employers were permitted to mandate vaccines if they wanted to. But if you read it carefully, it’s clear that employers are required to either mandate vaccines, or require testing for individuals who do not want to get vaccinated.
choochParticipantPfizer is telling young children that their experimental mRNA covid injection will make them “superheroes” and give them “superpowers.”
Abomination doesn’t even capture it.
Pfizer=Stranger
Shot=DangerchoochParticipantSoft mandate option ready. This will give reprieve for those with a cloud of termination hanging over their head. So is imminently this week or Dec. 7th?
Stick to your guns and don’t take the shot. We have networked with some employees that got the shot but oppose the mandate. They are holding off uploading vax papers and applying for exemptions making the resistance look larger.
OSHA’s COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard Set to Issue Imminently
Additionally, a Department of Labor spokesman shared this statement this morning:
“On November 1, the Office of Management and Budget completed its regulatory review of the emergency temporary standard. The Federal Register will publish the emergency temporary standard in the coming days. [OSHA] has been working expeditiously to develop an emergency temporary standard that covers employers with 100 or more employees, firm- or company-wide, and provides options for compliance…. Covered employers must develop, implement, and enforce a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy, unless they adopt a policy requiring employees to choose either to get vaccinated or to undergo regular COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at work. The ETS also requires employers to provide paid time to workers to get vaccinated and paid sick leave to recover from any side effects.”
OSHA’s COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard Set to Issue Imminently
choochParticipantGrowth=Change
Change=Loss
Loss=PainGrowth=Pain
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
choochParticipantForget to bold this one,
10. Incorporating clear language expressing OSHA’s intention that the ETS preempts any state laws that conflict with the ETS or that frustrate its purpose to increase rates of employee vaccinations.
choochParticipantThe Federal OSHA vaccine mandate is expected to be issued within the next two weeks.
The following twelve issues likely to be incorporated in some form:
1. Phasing-in implementation dates for the various ETS requirements, with the paid time benefit for getting vaccinated becoming effective in relatively short order, but the “soft” vaccine-mandate elements of the standard (i.e., requiring vaccination or a recent negative test result to report to work) not becoming effective for at least seventy-five days after publication of the ETS in the Federal Register.
2. Clarifying that the ETS does not prohibit employers’ from voluntarily implementing “hard” vaccine mandate policies.
3. NOT requiring employers to pay for employee-time associated with testing or the hard costs of testing for employees who are subject to a weekly testing requirement because of their own voluntary choice to forego vaccination.
4. Capping paid time off (PTO) required for employee-time getting vaccinated at four hours per dose (but eliminating PTO for employers who host an onsite vaccine event during work hours), and capping PTO for time recovering from any ill effects of the vaccines at four hours for the first dose and eight hours for a second.
5. Defining “fully vaccinated” by memorializing (as opposed to cross-referencing) the current CDC definition of that term, which excludes booster shots for any segment of the workforce and includes certain vaccines not yet approved by the US FDA.
6. Calculating the 100-employee threshold for ETS coverage based on the peak number of employees in CY 2020, including part-time, seasonal, remote, and supervised temporary workers, but not applying the “soft” vaccine-mandate aspects of the rule to employees working remotely.
7. Providing flexibility to employers in how they document employee vaccination-status and test results, and excluding those records from the preservation requirements of 29 C.F.R. Section 1910.1020 (or setting a brief alternative preservation requirement).
8. Addressing the virtually inevitable shortage of COVID-19 testing materials and unavoidable delays in obtaining test results that will occur upon implementation of the ETS by allowing unvaccinated employees who opt for testing to report to work during periods of demonstrable test shortages or delays, subject to enhanced safety protocols.
9. Memorializing in the ETS that adverse reactions to vaccination are exempt from OSHA injury and illness recordkeeping no matter the employers’ vaccination policies, and that confirmed, work-related COVID-19 cases are only recordable if the case involves an unvaccinated worker.
10. Incorporating clear language expressing OSHA’s intention that the ETS preempts any state laws that conflict with the ETS or that frustrate its purpose to increase rates of employee vaccinations.
11. Providing a narrow qualified carveout for truck drivers and other key jobs vital to maintaining the stability of the US food supply chain.
12. Limiting the scope of the ETS to focus only on vaccination and testing (and not delve into programmatic requirements like the earlier COVID-19 ETS for healthcare).
choochParticipantThose who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.
Frederick DouglassI have everything to lose if I sign and everything to gain if I don’t.
choochParticipantCouldn’t resist
“What do you want to do with your life?”
choochParticipantchoochParticipantchoochParticipantThanks for hanging in there Raul! Now, how do I channel Denninger w/o the Denninger vibe?
choochParticipantTDK,
Foreigner closure or as Paul Harvey would say “the rest of the story”. Foreigner 4 was the last 8 track I got. It was a gift from a buddy given to me after my girlfriend dumped me. I could segue into some more of Foreigner’s playlist but the theme is getting a little worn.
choochParticipantFund, I’m on a treadmill trying to type.
choochParticipantThat might be Phoenix, I was hoping for something new, but who would find that study now.
.choochParticipantDoes anybody have links to the preclinical studies that Peter McCullough is referring to?
choochParticipantRedfield Joins Big Ass Fans, Which Promotes Controversial Covid-Killing Technology.
Not sure why ventilation is controversial and masks aren’t. Science is pesky.
choochParticipantMakes sense (Denniger), why would your body develop durable immunity against a glycoprotein coating (the spike) when it’s the replicating part (the body of the virus) that is the real danger. The danger of training an immune system to be weary of glycoproteins is that most cells are coated with them, that is part of the cellar communication mechanism. Auto immune disease is a confused immune system.
choochParticipantRighteous anger, Amen. Is that the previous CDC director, Robert Redfield, behind Christine Anderson?
choochParticipantYa never know.
choochParticipantThat’s so cool. I was a grease monkey. Dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Switched to autos once I could drive. Must be a cool experience to play in for a crowd of people.
choochParticipantForeigner was the first full album I bought in 1977 with my allowance bucks at a local K-Mart. Junior high at the time. Kiss was the concert to see at the time for my peer group.
choochParticipantKassandra,
If you/someone can get a large number of vaxed employees not to upload their proof of vaccinations that will send a strong signal and they are not likely to sack that many people for not complying. I found out from an upper level manager that only half of the employees have uploaded the proof of vaccination where I work. We are trying to get the 1000 or so individuals and convince them to stand with us. It’s difficult because everyone is working remotely.
choochParticipantEmployer
choochParticipantKassandra,
Will you be privy to the process they are using to cull those claiming religious or medical exemptions? Is your employee using an outside agency from DC to guide them?
choochParticipantAnd this one goes out to Jacinda Ardern
Prime Minister of New Zealand.choochParticipantI am in a Foreigner mood tonite. This one goes out to Trivium.
choochParticipantdeflationista, you are workin the room tonight. Long distance dedication to you and Stew.
choochParticipantOne attorneys take on our situation.
We work in an “at-will” state. So they can terminate our employment for any or no reason. When it comes to a letter to et.al. he said that he really has no idea what he could say other than “I hope you’re following the law.”
IF however, the contract mandates a specific percentage of the workforce to be vaccinated, this would PROBABLY be illegal as it precludes Religious exemptions on a case by case basis.
He said we’re looking at a battle that could take twenty years to resolve. Much like the company towns.
So there’s two options for a fight regarding federal contracts. Adhesion and substantive unconsionability. Both are tough to prove, very expensive to fight, and could take decades. Even then, he says there’s probably a 35% chance that the people would win.
He went on to say that collapsing the system is our best bet right now. Political answers will take months to years, legal answers are going to take years to decades.
HR speaks with forked tongue. Damn the torpedoes.
choochParticipantI had a zoom meeting with roughly 50 coworkers last nite. We reviewed what was accepted and what was rejected in regards to exemptions and accommodations. There was no consistency in acceptance criteria or accommodations granted. I am fairly convinced they are using a third party from a beltway law firm and following a playbook to wear us down.
I recommended to those that were rejected to have a plan to make at least three modifications and submissions. Don’t empty the chamber on your next shot. Formulate your best and final and then back up to something with a fraction of what you plan to submit in the end. Let them know you are not backing down and they can not deny you this right.
For my sake, I plan to channel some Frederick Douglass in my response to the accommodations they are trying to force on me.
choochParticipantThanks Doc!
choochParticipantTrivium, thanks for info on Ethylene oxide,
Anybody, I am looking for a recent link the some data showing vax/unvax viral load comparisons. Both symptomatic and asymptomatic groups compared. Thanks
choochParticipantRaul, thanks for the OSHA link. Timely as usual, uncanny in a divine way. I will refuse to be treated like livestock.
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