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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle April 22 2020 #57703
    Dr. D
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    Like clockwork:
    Martin
    https://d33wjekvz3zs1a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Disease-Cycle-1024×557.png

    Also pointing that no virus maintains force longer than 8 months.

    “UN: Coronavirus Pandemic ‘Will Cause Famine of Biblical Proportions’ (G.)”

    Would this be because nobody’s working, planting, or harvesting food? “Shut it all down Mr. President,” MMT says no one ever needs to work. We neither sow nor reap, but live as the lilies, in fields of gold. Magic fairie-elves will come and take out your garbage and paint your house. Trust us, when have we lied?

    The only thing that matters is medicine. No other aspects of human existence, survival even, are to be considered. If everybody dies of famine and nobody dies of Corona, it’s a win. Because doing cost-benefit is mean, and the value of each life is infinite.

    P.S. they’re “experts.” That means their “biblical” famine won’t happen either. And they’ll never be discredited for it. At all.

    CDC’s Failed Coronavirus Tests Were Tainted With Coronavirus (AT)”

    Speaking of never being discredited or defunded. Using power to never meet consequences at all.

    CDC Chief Warns Second COVID-19 Wave May Be Worse (R.)”

    And we believe the guys who got everything wrong for why?

    Missouri Is Suing China Over Coronavirus Impacts (CNN)”

    A great example of mishandling and trying to start a war. Even if China was “slow” it’s just a thing we all understand happens sometimes. Even if they did it on purpose, I’d say you don’t have a case. What, they nuked themselves on purpose? So you want to sue them?

    “[to Reese] Let me get this straight, you think that your client, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in the world, is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp with his bare hands, and your plan is to blackmail this person?” — The Dark Night

    Good luck. They’re re-positioning to start WWIII with China instead, and got the support of the Conservatives to do it, so finally some broad-based support to be morons. Take your tiny country and fight a billion people with hypersonic nuclear missiles and see how it works out for you.

    The Risks of Relying on China for Critical Medical Supplies (SCMP)”

    Gosh, I think I’ve heard of this before. From a Presidential candidate.

    Ross Perot, 1991.

    And every year since the nation’s dumbest people have been telling you smarty-pants and getting the “No it won’t, you’re a stupidface” treatment from Harvard and the NY Times.

    Never discredited. Ever. There is no POSSIBLE action on planet earth that can ever lead to consequences. What else is power for?

    Lawsuit Claims 10 Big Banks Rigged Market for ‘Odd-Lot’ US Corporate Bonds (R.)”

    Proof positive. Right Wells Fargo? 100,000 illegal customer accounts, feloniously created and then double-billed to create overdrafts, while based in accounting fraud to make their bankrupt bank appear solvent. $50 fine.

    CNN is reporting that the first US death was Feb 6”

    Well, it’s CNN, so it’s almost certainly false…

    …Aaaaaand Parents tags it in 10 minutes or less.

    in reply to: The Peak #57700
    Dr. D
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    “I guess Sweden’s model is kill off the old folks quickly so they are no longer a burden”

    Since the same thing happens with or without a lockdown, what’s the difference? Sweden isn’t choosing anything because they’re not in control. Nature is. You’re just buying the illusion of control. I know we all think government has infinite powers of God almighty, but they can’t even inventory a basement of masks or stop a stock drop, much less cure the common cold. They CAN steal everything and kill everyone, though, and they’re doing a great job of that right now. NOT stopping any deaths, as seen in non-lockdown states, but ARE killing 10x more with the economy. And possibly causing a Third World War, so that’s a win.

    “The intentional release of a bioweapon would have resulted in an immediate retaliation”

    Said this at the time. Or even if China THOUGHT something happened and didn’t know. Which means they DID know, or thought they did, with very high confidence. And that means they didn’t think Japan, France, Singapore, or the U.S. did it, or they’d have been on us in hours. That means they thought THEY did it. Only later did they either a) divert annoying blame or b) second guess themselves. I mean, when’s the last time we weren’t blamed for something?

    So would they retaliate against themselves? They did in a way, with an incredible outsized reaction compared to their still official story. They essentially shut down the Chinese economy and purged Wuhan for the deaths of an afternoon. Supposedly natural. No. None of that makes any sense.

    It also doesn’t mean it wasn’t an attack, just that the releas-ors scammed the Chinese government into thinking it wasn’t, which is pretty standard spycraft. Because who benefits here? A major adversary was taken down without a nuclear exchange, and the U.S. took only collateral damage. The Silk Road was stopped. China was discredited. Who else? The banks and insiders, who were about to have their system collapse, be discredited, unseated, and their neofeudal system ended. They already tried to start a different WWIII 4-5 times since 2016. Now Corona will be blamed for all their failures, they get unlimited cash, and their criminal system limps on. Could it be China, on accident? Of course. They had serial complaints about that very lab going back years, but not very specific. The U.S. funded that lab, so we’re funding the bioweapons research of a competing state? Anyone want to explain that? Yahoo news had a story back 2015 about the DOZEN times Chinese couriers were caught transporting exactly SARS & Corona on public airliners illegally from biolabs research in throughout the U.S., over and over and OVER again. You know, like arrested in Harvard and Chapel Hill and Canada? Apparently Obama loved it, because he didn’t seem very alarmed that they kept putting vials of SARS/’Covid’ in closed pressurized cabins all decade. Whisky Tango? But that shows China trafficked and had a great interest + criminally careless behavior. So it’s not like they’re a greater or lesser suspect here.

    It’s nice to know, but that part doesn’t matter. We KNOW, as a published FACT, they – the world – was bioengineering exactly this sort of thing worldwide, with criminally poor containment. We KNOW, as a fact, they anticipated and planned and favored and war-gamed such an epidemic someday. Or even October, with Gates, with Corona + Italy. We KNOW, exactly following their papers, that they are making exactly the socio-political and monetary power grab they promised they would. So what’s the difference? Make it happen, let it happen, wait for it to happen, the real damage is always their criminal response.

    “The shocking discovery is that the US federal government is totally incompetent.”

    That’s the least shocking thing since Adam Smith in 1775. There’s never been a day of anyone’s lives that hasn’t been true. Since Christ was a Corporal. Or King Saul, Or Adam, take your pick. However, I don’t believe for a minute the government doesn’t KNOW. They’re just L Y I N G to you, like every other day of our lives. They called down to the criminally careless labs that were working on this for 20 years and said “Hey Melvin, I know this thing is 99% just like your little monster experiments down there, can you tell me how this all works?” And he says, “Yes boss, don’t arrest me.” They get the tests they won’t admit, the behavior, the R0 they won’t admit, and do it all while the idiot press chases their tails like morans. Look! A Squirrel! So don’t think for a second they, the U.S. Army, Ft. Dietrick don’t know. They’re lying, covering up, and letting you DIE by thousands in order to get their political agendas through, like every other day of the year.

    Ever heard of the Tuskegee Airmen? Agent Orange? The Gulf War Syndrome? Die by the thousands. “Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns.” –Kissinger. They’re not incompetent, THEY’RE YOUR ENEMY. Make them small, remove their power. But that would require YOU to take that power or responsibility instead.

    Singapore is my perfect case for your lockdown: it failed.

    There may be a second peak at any level, but it will still kill less people than the entire economy can kill at 60% increase of death from unemployment. In seconds the economy can kill more people than that, while Corona only barely exceeded average flu deaths now.

    In where Sweden got that, there’s a report, Tim Pool covering a White House hot mic that has them talking about how the death is only 0.1%, but he includes the U.S. science that is identical to Swedish advisor’s numbers, and may be the root of his citations.

    Giesecke’s a PhD with an authoritative position, unlike me, he can’t just SAY things, so if you doubt him, you should probably just google “Giesecke” and trace the scientific papers he is citing. It won’t be hard. Certainly the WHO and CNN don’t cite anything related to science. You have to hear what the other side says, indeed moreso than your own side. That’s easy for me since 100% of the U.S. news is further left than Chairman Mao, and half the entertaining internet are from left/farleft people like Pool and Dore. Not even looking into what he’s saying, but then implying Giesecke’s just making things up isn’t very salutary. At least try to see why the other guy does what he does. That’s how we support diversity, and work through the marketplace of ideas. The only alternative is oppressive totalitarianism and mindless groupthink. Not a fan.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 21 2020 #57641
    Dr. D
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    Everyone is piling on today.

    “One the members of the press asked the obvious: Given that we now have studies showing prevalence of Covid-19 fifty times the reported case rate this means the fatality rate is much lower than reported, and in fact similar to the seasonal flu, isn’t it? ...

    Anyone notice that [Birx] didn’t answer the question”?? –Denninger

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2020/04/a-simple-model-of-coronavirus-pandemic.html#more

    “Different countries have imposed different measures. Some are requiring people to have written passes to set foot outside; others do not. Some have forced a complete economic shutdown; others haven’t. Some test lots of healthy people for coronavirus; others only test suspected cases and a few conduct tests as part of a post-mortem, if at all. How does this seem to be affecting the number of COVID-19 deaths? Well, not at all, actually! It seems to be making about as much difference as would frowning and wagging your finger at a petri dish. The coronavirus is spreading just as it would, and most people who are exposed to it do not even know that they have been exposed to anything out of the ordinary.

    Even if we dramatically increase our current estimate of 170000 ultimate COVID-19 deaths to half a million and assume that the coronavirus spreads to every corner of the Earth, this would give us a lethality of 0.07%. This is very much in line with the death toll from the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. Note, however, that the 2009 pandemic did not cause financial and economic collapse.”

    Do sane, responsible people shut down the economy and bankrupt themselves for the sake of a virus not unlike the dozens of others in circulation which cause people to cough and sneeze, and sometimes (very rarely) die? No, they do not. Thus, we are forced to formulate other hypotheses. One such hypothesis is that global finance collapsed some time ago,” -Orlov

    Timer Martin Armstrong, on killing more people, not less:

    Sex Workers, Homeless & Suicides on the Rise Thanks to COVID-19

    AOC Demonstrates Just How Ignorant She is About Economics As the World Turns to Protests

    But “Opinions are Treason!” Facebook is outlawing protests at the request of the States. Which is needless to say, illegal (govt cannot restrict speech) and also biased, as they promoted rent and medical protests all month.

    Hey, would that be election tampering? No one’s hiding it. If Orlov’s math is correct (he’s an engineer) we’ll find out shortly. Which is why they’re opening up with no (admitted) tests. Because they all know this and always have.

    We’re coming up 119 Million deaths short again.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 21 2020 #57636
    Dr. D
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 21 2020 #57632
    Dr. D
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    Is that a Victrola she’s carrying? Explains the shoes.

    In today’s non-science, “Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists says:

    “The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown.
    The results will eventually be similar for all countries.
    Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
    The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%.
    At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available.”

    But I don’t believe science, I believe science. I listen to scientists not scientists. I listen to official government organizations, not official organizations. Got it? It’s settled.

    And I also look forward to looking back at year-end death rates for various countries.

    Recalling that TAE is an economic Peak Oil blog and not a medical blog, oil prices are negative. Several trading houses were destroyed. It takes 30 days for the derivatives to be called on and default.
    Perhaps more importantly, Iran, Venezuela, and possibly Saudi Arabia will be injured, perhaps fatally. Russia will be weakened and have to withdraw. That is a most convenient power shift for Silk Road/BRIC nations.

    This does say what the Devil’s Advocate has argued: we’re nowhere near Peak Oil because, like food, we use half our oil for unimportant, even idiotic things. Cut back senseless debt-origination. Cut back senseless consumerism. Cut back to the essential/wear it out/go without. Stop senseless driving when you can telecommute or to Jimmy’s soccer practice.

    And we’ll have 50% more consumer petroleum and a SURPLUS. All now true. Problem fixed in 30 days.
    With that, skies are blue, pollution is down, roads are clear and don’t need expanding.

    Telecommuting will persist. We will reduce globe-circling manufacturing. We will re-localize. Power is being dispersed back to the states. Local jobs are increasing. Everyone is disappointed and fighting it. Fighting for the return to pollution, consumerism and an extractive, neo-feudal status quo.

    It’s all bad. We’re all gonna die. Déjà vu, every day.

    WHO Warns that Few Have Developed Antibodies to COVID19 (G.)”

    You mean the WHO that’s been totally wrong and is even now anti-scientific in terms of wearing masks, and asking China whether they caused the disease or not? The gal at the Wuhan lab says they didn’t, and that’s good enough for Tedros! Why ask more? Why ask known, discredited liars anything? You’re their drunk-father codependent. Cut them off, plow them into the ground and move on.

    To their point: so we know this with inaccurate testing, how exactly?

    Further, in another of an amazing series of coincidences, the CDC also contaminated all their NEW tests. (NYT). What is that, 4th time in a row? U.K. too? Weirdest thing, everywhere you look, the tests always seem to go to wild false positives. And the CDC is as bad as the WHO, screwed up everything they touched, so why are we funding this private partnership again? They’re the ones who said we were going to die of swine, H1N1, and ebola only last year. Stop being an abused child victim and transfer all their funding to the Army Hospital or something. If there’s never consequences, why would anyone do their job? Proof. Positive. Right Wells Fargo? SEC, CFTC, Fed regulators?

    Coronavirus Attacks Blood Vessel Linings All Over the Body (SCMP)”

    Explains why Vitamin C is so helpful.

    “I think we all agree with you that more money for Main Street is needed.”

    Why? We will then add too much money and no new goods. What does that sound like? Inflation, that will raise prices, hurt the small/weak, and strengthen the Insiders, like everywhere in history? How about the debts aren’t paid, default, and Morgan Stanley is bankrupted in minutes? Then they buy the debt in distress, and write it down to 10c. The debt load on Main Street plummets, the insiders are destroyed, and inflation does NOT go up, prices instead go DOWN, NOT starving the poorest workers to death? Nah, that’d be Capitalism, we don’t do that.

    The article serves up the proper dose of the REAL Welfare Queens: Sachs, Amazon, Citi, GE, Boeing… Multi-trillions more than all people’s bailouts combined. And just like them, those corporations never work again, but sit on the dole, whining. Want your money for Medicare-for-All? There it is.

    …setting the “value of a statistical life” at $11.5 million..”

    The problem is, they think they can know. They can’t. One life will be Jeffery Dahmer, or his fellow cannibal Jamie Dimon, and the next life is Pasteur or Edison. They can’t tell a plus from a minus, but claim they can to two decimal places. That’s the definition of a fool.

    US Energy Industry Steps Up Lobbying For Fed’s Emergency Aid (R.)”

    Again, why would we bail them out? The go bankrupt, their bulldozers are sold to the next guy. Their bailout is just a passthru bailout to Morgan. Like AIG. The Welfare Queens.

    “US Treasury Releases $2.9 Billion In Airline Support (R.)”

    Same. They can sell “Total Bastard Airlines” or as they’re better known, “Delta” in bankruptcy to some SouthWest or JetBlue that doesn’t fold you under a seat and step on you for amusement. Then we have better airlines and no debt. But wait! Then Morgan and Sachs wouldn’t get a passthru bailout, and the people wouldn’t get —–ed. Can’t have that. My pals need to never take the consequences of their actions and bad decisions. To Suspend #Logos in #AntiLogos, AntiPhysics, AntiReality. Which is the whole POINT of having power. If you were doing GOOD stuff, it would reward itself naturally and you wouldn’t need power to avoid your just desserts.

    “The entire US economic system is ideal for smothering small business.”

    Yes, it’s Socialism for the Wealthy and Capitalism for the poor. Just like our legal system. But Socialism is always like that. Notice Party members have a real hard time being arrested regardless of what happens, and they never go broke. So if you believe in fairness, one rule for all, and no despots, the choice is simple. Aaaaaaaand despite 150 years of failing, they always choose wrong again.

    NHS Staff Not Allowed to Tweet About ‘Political Issues’ – Like PPE (Ind.)”

    They don’t have a Bill of Rights. But since such Rights are innate and inalienable, they’re just not standing up for them. Why? To protect corrupt power, and prevent people receiving the consequences of their actions — there’s never any other reason. Here we find that the citizens can get all the masks they want right now, or so it seems, while hospitals claim to have none. Explain? Because I’m guessing the hospital admins are hiding them in the basement fearing a NYC-type crisis, and not letting the nurses use them day to day at their constant peril. While the Admins sit in office safety. So…whose fault then? If it were public, questions would be asked. Expect we’ll get through this and the basements will be chok-full, with no masks on faces.

    Is that good or bad planning? I can’t say, I understand their situation, but at least we could be honest about it.

    New Zealanders Donate $230,000 To Help Zoo Feed Animals (G.)”

    So glad to hear it. I always wish they would donate to their habitat and repatriation instead.

    I don’t even know what’s happening with Biden. Of COURSE they were going to swap him out, and why I don’t know as they could have pushed Puppet Pete at least, but are you waiting for Joe to wet his drawers on camera? This is bad. It makes them the laughingstock, and quadruples-down on the AntiBernie appearance. Even if they got a stellar candidate – and why not earlier and honestly? – it stinks to heaven and may not help now. The other conclusion is they’re going to spring a candidate that has no experience and no possible cause to be there, like Michele or Oprah. SMH.

    Don’t worry, when Trump gets elected because they presented no candidate at all, it’ll be RussiaRussiaRussia.

    Incredible. Makes it seem like the party is as decrepit as Joe.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 19 2020 #57567
    Dr. D
    Participant

    DBS: Disagree, as you know.

    What you’re saying can’t possibly be true, because that’s what “flattening the curve” means: Everyone will still get it, they will just have access to medical care when they do, at the cost of freedoms and the economy, whether or not that turns out to be more dangerous than the flu itself.

    Since 8B people will still get it or let’s say herd immunity will cut it in half to give you great benefit, then let’s say at a 6% death rate as presently advertised, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si we have +240M dead. If half the people have it already — that’s presumed a wild, crazy, irresponsible number right now — that would still be 120M dead. So…looking forward to I dunno, October, to see what you think then. If I’m right, you’re going to come up 119 Million short, or 11,900% off, two orders of magnitude, for exactly the reason you suggest: if you get the first numbers wrong even slightly — and the experts are still claiming no accuracy or information — then subsequent math compounds the errors. So all we’re seeing is a Rorschach test. Of our moral and belief systems, as wisely said.

    But don’t worry, I’ll apologize and stand corrected even if no one else will.

    XK

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 19 2020 #57505
    Dr. D
    Participant

    What? I feel like I’m in a timehole. Correct me: I stand corrected. I had the same thought: is this something about the neighborhood or being out in the streets? Point was the same, so 37% already have it?

    Dr Luc Montagnier. He’s a scientist. But we don’t believe scientists, we believe scientists. Therefore, he’s crazy. Until tomorrow, when we believe scientists. The scientist from the U.N., (weapons treaty) that said it’s engineered, not the scientist from the U.N. (WHO) that says it isn’t. Science! Believe me, it’s settled!

    “will be possible to reconcile the moral logic?”

    It’s always possible to do things in an emergency you couldn’t/wouldn’t do every day. Everybody understands that. One reason it, if it’s “special”, it doesn’t alter long-term behavior, like never exercising or working again.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 19 2020 #57479
    Dr. D
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    Covered Boston in yesterday’s comment. (and too much more) So everybody has it now? It’s over? And the death rate is 0.006%, still 4x the flu, but very low?

    I look forward to comparing death rates at the end of the year, lockdown vs no. I think you’ll find the two are similar, with the caveat of destroying the nations’ economy. Would guess since they’re un-lockdowning now – also with no admitted testing or evidence – that I won’t get a victory lap that MORE people die in a lockdown. They didn’t push it quite far enough that food was completely shut off. Keep it in the big muddy where nothing can be proven.

    an alarming study by Chinese doctors in the medical journal, The Lancet.”

    Did no one believe them because of the 100 fake papers The Lancet has printed up til now? Is it time to be embarrassed and examine near-constant failure yet? Nah, actually Taiwan told WHO way ahead, with evidence, and they rejected them.

    nine companies which sell 90 per cent of the food we buy”

    Sure that sounds like Capitalism, free-market competition. Oh wait, I meant the OPPOSITE, where they use the government and the insider banks (but I repeat myself) to PREVENT all competition, and use instant-free money to run all non-insiders out of business. Socialism or Fascism take your pick, but again I repeat myself.

    “It’s too early to know how coronavirus might reshape 21st-century society.”

    Especially since unlike the Black Death, it didn’t kill anyone. You’re going to need a magnifying glass to see the event on the long-term population charts.

    Actual Black Death, last event in France, killed 66.0% of the city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plague_of_Marseille Apparently we’ve killed 13,000 / 8.3M = 0.1% I would propose that the two events are somewhat dissimilar, and drawing correlations may be unwise.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 18 2020 #57475
    Dr. D
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    Everybody knows that the war is over
    Everybody knows the good guys lost
    Everybody knows the fight was fixed
    The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
    That’s how it goes
    Everybody knows
    Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
    Everybody knows that the captain lied ”

    “Does this study absolve China of hiding and falsifying data?”

    I’m seeing that flying around now. You can’t have it both ways. If it isn’t dangerous, then China was not lying about the numbers. Mostly. Or if they did, it didn’t matter. But don’t worry, they always want illogic. They always want it both ways. And it is always illogical and it always works.

    Rumor has it China was something else, a massive 5G attack in the world’s foremost (only?) 5G city. So the hack attack – from whom? – microwaved everyone’s lungs in the polluted city. No evidence for this at all. It is said. However, nearby cities say they know no one who died. And we can generally trace the vectors to Wuhan. So we have a big splash in order to generate the (relatively) senseless fear? Because if they didn’t have a big even we wouldn’t – couldn’t – overreact. Especially by hacking the fears of the Right, the tinfoil heads, who seek longingly for Armageddon everyday. No idea. Seems to me something happened. China didn’t shut down for nothing. It’s an embargo, like Japan in ’39, and act of war? But by them or us? Takes me back to my original theory: it WAS something that got out. “Accidentally”, by a third actor. To stop it, White Hats had no choice but to release a “safe” version as a purposeful fire-break. It IS still more dangerous than the flu, maybe 2-4x, but the flu isn’t that dangerous, so… And it’s not like they can ADMIT it, as they would be saying they killed the last 30,000 people…who were going to die anyway, but the lawsuits won’t see it that way. You can see why, in their position to protecc and save the more lives, they would kill some minor slice of 30k, to save the 25M the Black Hats clearly thought was happening, by the virus they’ve been working on for decades.

    Instead, $10T into the economy going into an election. Thanks!

    We clearly don’t know when we have the flu or have symptoms, because for most, your immune system works perfectly and stops it on sight, before any replication. Then you have antibodies, but nobody tests and there are thousands of strains, so who cares?

    This morning, a Boston shelter found 100% of residents had it with 0% symptoms. That’s more toward herd immunity, but not necessarily that it was earlier than Dec/Jan, as flights were worldwide for 45 days by then. Everyone loves to be scared, but in the absence of data, it’s just as illogical to assume the worst as the best.

    Again, we may have the whole year’s flu deaths packed on three months. We’ll only know looking back. In any case, we were already supposed to die of H1N1, Swine, Avain, eBola, AIDS, Swine again, all my life, always and ever lies, totally wrong, and we’ve only just exceeded Obama’s H1N1 nobody remembers or cares about. We didn’t destroy the planet for that and survived somehow, why now? We certainly deserve a far higher, more thoughtful level of propaganda.

    For planned or not, these guys have been discussing it and the huge benefits of a pandemic for decades: it’s so old JFK Jr ran an article with Gates discussing this 25 years ago, and Gates is from a famous eugenicist family that supported Sanger’s black abortions/racial culling back when. As we know, most of his “health” initiatives killed thousands, ten thousands, who knows? And he’s wanted in 3(?) nations. And he’s far from the only one, killing everyone is so universal that poor St. Greta and the whole green movement is composed of similar talk, unreflective of the implications.

    Look at the WHO list: none of those pre-requisites can happen. It’s 40 years and we still don’t have a vaccine for HIV. It’s 60 years they’ve been looking for a coronavirus vaccine for the common cold, only to know deeply how slippery and unvaccinatable they are. Since none of that will happen this century, it’s just a recipe for people to buy into a worldwide fascist lockdown, forever. Which is exactly what their papers have been saying for 40 years. Go read them. Will it have been worth it all, then? When the light of freedom is extinguished forever for (the mere illusion of) a little safety? There are other parts of life beyond extending it. Both life, and the pursuit of happiness, have value.

    In any case, now that the Governors have the responsibility and no one to blame, they magically they want to re-open now. Funny ol’ world. Isn’t that terribly irresponsible of them? According to themselves of only two days ago? Gosh, I think Michigan both shut down the most, and opened up the most in one 23-hour period. The whole state has whiplash that will spring the Upper Peninsula into James Bay.

    Since we remain logic and evidence-free, surely that can reverse 2-3 more times before it’s over. Humans use Science solely to support their emotions and confirmation bias. And egos. When Doctors, Scientists said this would would be…where it is now…they were disbarred for having models and opinions…as opposed to identical models and opinions of other, equally qualified Doctors and Scientists. One paper said they did indeed model exactly our exact, pretty-low outcome –and erased it from the paper, so no one could know. …And they could be shown as totally wrong, unscientific frauds, provably. And that shows we’re AnythingButScience™. No one notices. No one cares. The wrong guys are not discredited, the accurate guys are not put into power. And we’ll still call on the sacred name of Science to credit ourselves, like hack priests of old, cutting out hearts to keep the sun shining in Zacatecas. That’s humans. We’re no different, blind to our own priesthood and superstitions.

    Tomorrow we’ll do the same thing all over again. With H2N2, SlimeFlu, AvatarVirus, on and on no one dying, no one noticing, for the rest of my life.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 18 2020 #57410
    Dr. D
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    The above rate is now 0.0006% death. Sounds like their models may need some work.

    Other news shows a sizeable proportion of Roosevelt sailors had the flu vaccine. Which is probably throwing huge “false” positives. Or protected them against Corona having effects. Again, why do we care who “has” it if it has no effects?

    “ UK Moves To Drop Huawei As 5G Vendor”

    Per Sumac, you have to understand what 5G is: microwave. So if you pollute, add nano metal particles, and then microwave them randomly, you get lung issues? Huh. Who could see that coming except every independent scientist who ever looked, and even some of the paid industry ones who flipped. Could gently microwaving people 24h/day be bad for their health? In the world of #AntiLogic, clearly that’s crazy, and we should never, ever look for independent research or facts on it. Because not looking for politics or profit is #Science! Or that’s what Science has become now anyway. And that’s beyond how 5G is super-expensive and provides essentially no additional service. Odd thing to lay your corporate life on: tech that no one wants, some people actively hate, and has no functional advantage.

    There just has to be a lot of that going on with Wu, since with a billion effected and 36,000 dead, they’re still claiming we know literally nothing about a virus whose family has been studied 70 years, and its closest cousin in the world’s highest tech DNA biolabs for 30. I find that pretty hard to believe. But go on, tell me how smart you are and how we should all listen to you when every day you repeat how you don’t know anything and the things you knew yesterday are reversed.

    Apparently everybody already has it (CA), but we’re still all going to die (don’t open).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 17 2020 #57359
    Dr. D
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    So still nobody died in China but their GDP is off 10%? Because they’re such nice guys, I guess.

    “there are two constraints on our ability to deal with the coronavirus pandemic. The first constraint is money.”

    Oh my loving God, no. Money is a PROXY for actual things. Printing money does not make doctors or masks. We are all going to die if you can’t realize that by now. And here’s a guy talking about “biophysical restraints.” That’s the only restraint there is. Ever. Money is a measuring device. We build houses out of 2x4s, not out of tape measures. He wants to print more tape measures.

    How many jobs can we do without? No one knows. But I wouldn’t get saucy about it: you can say it’s not important to put on roofs or harvest crops for a while until it rains and the granaries are empty. You won’t know those jobs were important until too late. We are drawing on 100% of that warehoused goods and existing infrastructure right now. You could say hanging electric lines is “nonessential” for even many months, until at last the power goes out. Repairing bridges is “nonessential” for decades, until they collapse into the river. Who can tell? Not you, me, or Taleb.

    “22 Million New Jobless Claims, 9.2 Million Lost Health Care in Past Month (NBC)”

    But this was 100% voluntary. “No one will die if only we shut it all down.” Not even if you lose your job, the cupboards are bare, and you have a heart attack. Congratulations, you just killed all those people, either with actual stress, or by taking their jobs, or with the lack of their jobs preventing critical functions from happening, like food. But that’s not counted so it doesn’t exist. Corona is counted, so it’s the only thing that exists.

    “43,000 US Millionaires Will Get ‘Stimulus’ Averaging $1.6 Million Each (NYP)”

    Darn them for keeping small businesses open so they will still exist next year to rehire people!!! Darn you all to heck! We want every one of those sole proprietors dead, dead, dead, so you can only work at Home Depot and Amazon and get hauled out in an ambulance at minimum wage instead.

    It’s “a “scandal” to “loot American taxpayers”?? Listen, those were the only people in the whole U.S. that paid any taxes. The bottom 50% pay zero. GE, Amazon, pay zero. They’re looting Themselves to pay THEMSELVES. Small business, million-scale are also the only people who net hire anyone. Microsoft buys the million-dollar businesses and fires everyone. Xerox collapses whole industries into dust. Only small business does anything in all America besides sucking lobbyist teat, as I’ve posted the charts before. So I know it hurts, but the million-dollar level is where that is now. Why?

    Q: What do you call a millionaire in California? A homeowner. Houses of dual-professionals are $500,000+ even in the POOREST places in America like Louisiana or Michigan. So “Millionaires”? Jesus and the Saints, people, thanks to 100 years of your socialist inflation, a “Millionaire” is a now a Union guy who owns a house and a pension fund. Re-calibrate your radio for the 20th century at least. “Pass-through” means you’re a nobody, since if you were of any size at all you’d incorporate and cut your total risk. Accountingwise it’s akin to being a plumber with one van. A “millionaire” means you don’t even have 5 employees. So do we want small-business support or not? According to the NYC Post, a city where $1M doesn’t EVEN make you a homeowner: Not. “Shut it down, Mr. President, shut those small businesses down!” Why? If you have two nickels to rub together, we need to tax one. You don’t need that “extra” nickel, you might put it to work hiring people.

    Plague was thought to spread through corrupt air, on the breath of the sick or trapped in soft materials like cloth”

    What superstitious jerks: this is exactly what we think today.

    “The Sanità spent an enormous amount of money on food”

    Did they spend 330M x $1,200 = $396,000,000,000.00? In a single month? Gosh, how backward we are not to give money = food = poor. Probably ought to write a check or something. But not plant and harvest that “food” the poor eat. That would be a “job” and help the “economy”, so they’re not important.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 17 2020 #57358
    Dr. D
    Participant

    More importantly, much higher in non-dollar:
    EUAU
    http://www.kitconet.com/charts/metals/gold/2a-euro-us-5y-Large.gif
    That’s 50% in 9 months.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 17 2020 #57357
    Dr. D
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 17 2020 #57356
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Don’t open. Definitely need quarantine. Keep those farmers home and away from those corn seeding machines, since the “job” of “food” that creates the “economy” is so unimportant to everyone.
    JD
    https://www.deere.com/assets/images/region-4/products/planting-equipment/db-planters/db90-54-row-20-planter/db90_54_row20_0088651_large_2e47bb8f1eb1c6fb011dd723cfa9ccc7042671e7.jpg

    Judd, you got within 10,000 acres of Kyle. That’s too close, y’hear?
    Population density:
    https://www.netstate.com/states/tables/state_population_2010_psm.htm

    That chart tells you that in a democracy only 9 states would ever vote: California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Georgia, and within those states only a few cities. The rest of the nation can be run like an African colony, but then it already is, the way Philadelphia or Chicago destroy the rest of their state but NY and SF destroy the rest of the nation. Boring. Rural people, 41 states: who cares? Federalism, blah blah, Hamilton blah blah Law.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 17 2020 #57355
    Dr. D
    Participant

    (Doesn’t like multiple pics per post)
    “7 Midwestern States Release Plan to Reopen Economies May 15” Huh. Opened before they’re even closed. I’m sure Brooklyn will cry although they’ve never been there and have no idea how different it is. 19 people per square mile.
    KS
    https://preview.redd.it/voxaiv2yuew21.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0949534a8f600d8b6eaa41758d94d949e62553fb

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 17 2020 #57354
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Lange. Destitute and happy, unlike us. Rich and miserable.

    N.B.: If nobody works, everybody dies.

    Shut it down Mr. President, shut it down.”

    More people dying, not less.

    The WHO serially pushes vaccines that decimate the population. CDC approves.

    ”The past few months are not a litany of errors and honest mistakes”

    Fed is now owned by the Treasury. They have issued statements that the Treasury makes the plans, the Fed executes them as their fiduciary agent. That being true, we are now on the “American Plan” as outlined by Hamilton. The U.S. loans itself money it can recoup on the productivity it finances. There is not an infinite leak of % interest to outside interests.

    We have 0% interest. So we really are printing it for our projects and people. There really is no need of taxes, since we’re using the inflation tax, as advertised by them cancelling IRS April tax day for now. Perhaps ever, we’ll see.
    Dowtr
    https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2020/04/05/Photos/NS/MW-ID812_Dow_Tr_20200405193403_NS.png?uuid=ef526528-7795-11ea-8d34-9c8e992d421e

    Long-term Dow remains safely over 20k. Yes, it’s being manipulated, but is this also seeing something else, telling us what insiders know and think about Wu Flu? Looks like they think it’s a time to churn n burn. From 100% Bull to get people 100% Bear. Which I’m sure they are by now. “If everybody’s thinking the same thing, nobody’s thinking.”

    What are these things telling you? Financial reset. Jubilee, even, of a kind.

    I’ve said this before, just keeping it fresh. The cure was put off a week or two, but so much sturm und drang in the air, can’t tell what’s going on.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 16 2020 #57349
    Dr. D
    Participant

    I’m with Husky on this one. First, ALL events ALWAYS lead to extinction. The sun will burn out someday. That’s the nature of Time. However, despite Taleb, we just lived since the first day of life on earth, (200,000 years?) without going extinct. Huh. But now, suddenly, if we don’t lock down instantly and voluntarily BEFORE we know anything, we’ll be extinct in 50? Taleb, I fear you’re bad at math, that does not follow for me at all, except as an empty truism. That is, he has joined the “War on Death”, the war on extinction, ever, as we’re going to give up all civil rights and due process for the next 200,000 years until we go extinct anyway.

    The only alternative to that is cost-benefit. But that’s not allowed in any math since the value of every life is infinite. Even though, you, me, and the mailman have never once acted that way, and every minute decide life-risks, to dart across traffic, to have that extra taco, to fly airlines or ride a bike. But it’s totally different when –I– do it.

    The consequence of Taleb’s violent over-estimation of risk is totalitarian hell on earth, forever, the antithesis of all life. It removes what life is FOR. You shall be born in prison, and never leave it. Safe in your sunless cube, without choices, until we finally have expended a trillion dollars extending your life-in-misery, limping along, blind, in pain, 500 years from now, having never been truly “alive” for a single day, never jumped into a lake, never played on a swing, as that is far too dangerous. For your own good; Mommy Knows Best.

    No, you cannot have infinite response to a vanishing risk, and of all people he should know that, as you can easily chart how nonsensical that would be. Diminishing returns of the parabolic function are the first thing we realize in life. Actually, I could care less if humans go extinct. First, I thought everybody WANTED that. I read everyday from IYIs that should be our singular goal. But second, extinction is going to happen, and that’s Nature, so unless you’re going to fight Time, Nature, and Death itself, you’re a fool greater than any fool seen on earth before. Every day I am gobsmacked by the arrogance and self-aggrandizement of humans thinking they have any but the slightest power, the slightest understanding of the world. Instead, they think they are God himself, will fight time, death, and reality, as a certain angel did once, and with similar results.

    Given that, our response to extinction events is perfectly logical and extensively proven: we’ve survived extinction level events ten-thousand times, Ice Ages, meteors, Black Plagues, wars of 60 Million people and even Communism. We humans are a heritage that goes back to lemurs, dinosaurs, and survived the Chicxulub event, and hundreds more that wiped out nearly all life on earth. Here we are! So we’re not going to be at all alarmed, caring a bit about a virus that kills virtually nobody, when next year there will be MORE people than ever from the baby boom. Here we can’t mathematically tell more from less? Srs?

    I swear you should go back to the fall of Crete, the Plague, to the darkening skies Roman Ice Age, to the Mongols erasing the planets’ population, to Vikings erasing civilization on earth, with bare single books surviving, to the Chinese civil war, to Stalingrad, non-events like the London Blitz, to bejeepers, ANYWHERE things have actually been slightly hard just to appreciate how much of a total zero Corona is. You’re sitting here on the internet watching Netflix while eating Cheetos in a heated house by electric light for God’s sake! But Taleb is going to end freedom on earth for it, for what hasn’t happened in 60 million years yet.

    Pass. He’s totally wrong. Humans are totally right not to be concerned. If we’ve made it through THAT? Shrugged it off and found 8 Billion of us? As “Humans”, the species, we go forever on. As INDIVIDUALS, of course, we’re going to die anyway, either now or later. That’s different math.

    Hope to God no one ever follows Taleb’s advice and we always find ourselves at Option B. Then at least we can die free and alive and not in prison from his “help.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 16 2020 #57297
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yay EU, doing something right first time I remember:

    “Companies given equity injections by EU member states as a result of the coronavirus will not be allowed to pay out dividends, buy back shares or provide bonuses or similar remuneration.”
    An example for us all.

    Oh wait, too soon: “German Lawyer Who Criticized Lockdown Arrested, Taken To Psych Ward” https://summit.news/2020/04/15/german-lawyer-who-criticized-lockdown-arrested-taken-to-psych-ward/

    A Post From Germany

    Reports are that the “Swiss Also Locked Up A doctor for being Against the Coronavirus Fraud”

    Reports are that the Swiss Also Locked Up A doctor for being Against the Coronavirus Fraud

    Opinions are treason. While we’re erasing 1st Amendment rights to protest, why not the rights to opinions, Assembly, Religion, and the Press as well. We already got rid of Due Process, eternal infinite house arrest without adjudication, and much, much more! They’re tracking you down in the woods to arrest you for being too close to people, and therefore put you in jail where you’re unprotected and close to people. #Logic!

    Anecdotally, this is going around. Remember, Epstein didn’t kill himself, he died of Coronavirus. “COVID-19 a Miracle Cure for All Other Disease; Prevents Heart Attacks” https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/press/covid-19-miracle-cure-for-all-other-disease-prevents-heart-attacks/

    In London, they were calling it the “Miracle Cure” as all other diseases vanish from records. True? You’d have to look, but the fact it’s even said indicates something.

    Like the laundry list on Gates, this has been around, the hundreds of deaths cause by WHO: https://greatgameindia.com/who-list-of-errors/

    So they are CONSTANTLY, for decades, issuing vaccines that kill or maim 10% of all recipients. And they get annoyed that the victim nations are mad at them, I mean, just because they’re KILLING brown people like flies. Then, like the IMF, they fail and do it all over again. While sucking up billions that would easily help people with simple, uncontroversial aid like wells and refrigeration.

    Of course, that’s not just “them”, Flint and hundred other cities need fresh water, while WHO steals the money that would easily cure people’s health. “$3.5 Billion Has Flowed from U.S. Taxpayers to the World Health Organization Since 2010”

    Speaking of obvious avoidance of death, the food system is breaking down all over, putting 100% of the population in danger, not only of food, but of crime. We are going to kill every town to save every town. Good job, Brownie!

    “Nobody wants to go to a bar or an office or factory floor if they can catch a deadly virus there.”

    I will. I’ll do it all day but I’ll get arrested. They say stats lead to” inevitability” of masks and economy. Why? It’s indeed an option to do nothing. I would but I’m not free. I’m not allowed. For whose good is that? You say it is mine, but I’d prefer you all go away and leave me to my own life, my own death, and my own choices, thanks. There has never been any more oppressive force than of do-gooders. Indeed that impulse has killed most of the people of the 20th century.

    In any case, if the nation wasn’t made of cowards, they’d go work and get things done like the Doctors and Nurses are doing right now. Truckers are on, cashiers, car mechanics. How about all the people who aren’t working get thrown overboard since they’re neither “essential” nor brave? Because we, the brave, being brave, will inevitably help you at our own risk and expense anyway, that won’t happen, but do you see what I’m saying here? This is what I said about locking down the factory in China and running it anyway, because China, and her goods, and those goods being food and masks and truck parts, are vital to China, the Chinese, and to world health? I said that of them, there, and no less for me, here.

    Isn’t risking yourself to support your fellow man what we’re aspiring to? I bet a whole lot of people will join me, and are going to offices and factories right now. To keep YOU alive, complaining bitterly about watching Netflix at home. While you say they are stupid, foolish, and suck to be out. “Shut it down, Mr. President, shut it down.” Shut down the food? The truck parts? The masks?

    Yes, testing is a big problem. Even if it were accurate, it might show someone died of Corona when they had got over it 5 months ago. The non-antibody test has different problems, suggested it sees other Coronas (which are common), may be set off by vaccines, and aren’t accurate, which almost certainly makes things worse wasting scarce resources with false positives (and negatives). If NPR is sure of that test, it would be the first science so far that’s been solid and a known-known.

    Why aren’t we testing? Well If the tests don’t work, why bother? To “do something”?

    “The Coronavirus Is Particularly Unkind to Those Who Are Obese (LAT)”

    It has been suggested this goes with the theory that overweight is a symptom of chronic inflammation. Covid death seems to depend strongly on immune overreaction.

    thwart expected pressure from President Donald Trump to move more rapidly,”

    He won’t have an economy and collect taxes, but he sure will have Wall Street, New York, suck massive Federal money out of Michigan, Oklahoma, and Wyoming. Like I said, when you’re the heroes, the good guys, you help NY anyway, despite that they’ve nuked your town, repoed your house, and economically murdered your people by the ten-thousands for the last 30 years while giggling with glee at your distress. Sucks to be the good guy. Now Cuomo will want Moar! There’s a couple houses left in Detroit, can’t you sell them or something and send the cash to the Hamptons for us? You know, since he closed down 20,000 hospital beds and lowered taxes on Wall St over his reign? There’s a good boy.

    Investors Are Underestimating the Economic Shock the World Is Facing (AEP)”

    I don’t know about that, this is probably what happens to all socialist, 3rd world, banana republics like we are: they print $10T and the stock market goes up. However, food stops being harvested and goes up faster. Check! On both counts. But we don’t have to do work, put dirty seeds in the dirty ground, just print money! It’s magic!

    “It was obvious before it started that it would be a mess.”

    There is a second problem that it’s simply harder to write 10,000,000 loan applications than 20. And a lot less profitable for the work involved too. Hey, isn’t that why we have competition and no monopolies? So we’ll have 1 million banks who can easily write 10 loans apiece? Nah, that’d be capitalism. Haven’t had that in 100 years and we’re not starting now. More government, more checks, less work. Cheers all around!

    We Scientists Said Lock Down. But UK Politicians Refused to Listen (G.)”

    Should probably look into why nobody believes what you say anymore. Would it be because of the 300 word-salad papers that got published, no problem? 20 years ago, and you weren’t even embarrassed? That Vioxx and Roundup are safe as water and Manhattan should be underwater? Or is it because the last 5 epidemics you called were wildly overhyped, big fat zeros? Gosh, so weird how anti-science everyone got when Science has been dead-wrong much of my lifetime, much to my personal cost, and indeed deaths, See WHO killing 10% (that’s call “Decimating” a population), above. Funny how that happens. After a while even ignorant dummies can tell where they’re being poked from.

    Don’t worry: they will NEVER self-examine. EVER. Why clean up your own house, cities, reporters, government, science, when you’re practically perfect in every way? Tell other people what to do, what costs you’re going to force on THEM instead while I sit in Princeton and Fairfax and order them about like monopoly pieces and throw violent tantrums if they resist.

    The past few months are not a litany of errors and honest mistakes”

    I see we’re on the same page. They get it 100% wrong in 100% the same direction, every time. “They” being media, government, science, cities…

    “What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor.”

    But rural people, brown people, poor people, slavs, are not “people.” They are therefore not “neighbors.” We don’t think of them or their calling any more than we think of the rats or the crows. Nothing they say matters, their deaths are provably a net positive.

    There are exploits in the Golden Rule though: What if you’re a Spartan and treat other men as Spartans? What if you’re a corrupt man of decadence and lavishly share your decadence, sexual or otherwise? Decadence is doing that right now, forcing themselves on the unwilling. Less bad than not, though, which is why we usually write on hypocrisy instead.

    in reply to: The Only Man Who Has A Clue #57291
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Thoughts: What if we followed precaution and shut down a single nation or the world economy, for the last 5 viruses that were false? SARS, Swine, Avian, HIV, constantly like clockwork?

    Who pays those costs? Not Taleb, Harvard, or the WHO. They MAKE money, and therefore life, from it.

    Jobs ARE life, or can be. Because as we see now, not only do jobs give money for food and shelter, but the work represented by jobs are the way food is produced and shelter is maintained. If no one works, everyone dies, so at some point on the scale, jobs must equal life. And which jobs? What is “essential”? No one knows or can really define it. Problems. So again, I don’t care about jobs as ‘theory’: we are talking do more people die or less? That’s not a dichotomy, that IS the only relevant epidemiology, and I hope the point of system analysis. Like in hack movies, do you sacrifice the front torpedoman to surface the sub and save the crew? Or do you have a system where no one dies ever, we can risk nothing by any decision? Since we failed the War on Terror, will we be more successful with a War on Death itself? All decisions are risks. Life is always fatal. Kill Grandma and Grandpa indeed but save four uncles and two cousins. Choose. I would hope THEY choose, like that First torpedoman, trying to save his brothers by doing his job with bravery.

    If we constrain mobility immediately, how do we have any human rights? Any leader can call any excuse and lockdown any annoying city, any Gilet, any specific whistleblower, any publisher, any annoying businessman candidate. And they do already, constantly. This is why, despite continual wildly-fatal epidemics over an 8-year war, the Constitution doesn’t say, “Except whenever we call a health emergency.” No emergency has ever been lifted in government history. We’re still under the WWI and II emergency powers acts. The States are still gutted from the War between the States. So which is important? A protester in MI just wrote: “Security without Liberty is Prison.” So world-wide prison planet? Is that an acceptable goal to vanquish a Death who will not be defeated anyway? This is why it’s not just Doctors – OR economists – that are involved. A whole system will require all systems engineers to weigh in, including lawyers, historians, and philosophers. Those three would contraindicate instant, capricious, unajudicated limitless incarceration. Perhaps especially on the precautionary principle.

    If the “just do nothing” approach (which will never happen as the people will voluntarily change behavior) has costs, then who calculates the costs of doing ‘everything’? Which group bears each cost?

    “when one deals with deep uncertainty, both governance and precaution require us to hedge for the worst”

    Should we not pay to keep 10M empty beds in Britain then, just in case? If 10, why not 60M? Because that’s ridiculous? You’re setting a dollar (Pound) cost on human life in that case, whose value you say is infinite and incalculable. You’re just setting the cost higher. So we’re not arguing about whether you’ll have sex for money, but haggling over price?

    Simply put, you can’t do it because there are not infinite time and resources. That’s what systems analysis is, to look for the limits of limited things, and how those delimited things interact within delimited forces and vector. “Decision-making in real life is based on asymmetries”

    Some portion, 10% of the population already traffic in illegal drugs, guns, women, and violence. So what do you do when that slice of people don’t wear masks? Shoot them? They do that now. It has no effect either. They act as if they have control. Control over anything but yourself (and even that) is the first illusion.

    “Do you know what amazes me more than anything else? The impotence of force to organize anything.” –Napoleon

    So we put people in jail for Covid so we can let them out for having Covid? This is literally the logic right now. Nobody’s going to listen to anyone. No one’s going to obey. They already haven’t, and they aren’t going to start now. Plan accordingly. We don’t even know who has it. The tests don’t work, have ~50% false positives, and it appears science can’t suddenly beam up a tricorder and make it happen. That’s Science problem, not an “I want an Oompa Loompa”. Yes, we all want an Oompa Loompa, but it takes time and intelligence and work. We aren’t there yet, and just like we have no flying cars and no warp drive, it’s no one’s fault, and you’re not a baby. They’re not your daddy. This is life.

    the best government is one that’s very responsive to the needs of its people. That is, the least, loosest, and most local government.”

    It’s always useful to know things, since if you know who’s poking you and why, you can plan and position better. That’s partially why Covid or lockdown doesn’t bother me at all, because, I see in coming in 1,000 ways for decades, prepare for how nobody’s going to do anything, the government will screw up everything they can, grifters will jump in, and be positioned for it all inevitably happening. But that only comes from accurately knowing what’s happening and why. If you knew snowstorms but not why (winter), what good? Knowing why is always useful, even if you keep the boots and shovel around anyway.

    I’m satisfied not to follow the rabbit. That’s my job as a pot-stirrer, not Raul’s as a site and host. It’s different to be a heckler than an entertainer. If roles were reversed, I would play my part.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 15 2020 #57223
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Michigan is in revolt over the Governor’s draconian rules such as not allowing rural people to visit their own backwoods cabins. Good example of Federalism and the differing needs of Upper Michigan vs. Detroit.

    Should they have the same rules? A: Who cares? They’re rural people. Why think of them at all?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Peninsula_of_Michigan

    19 ppl/sq.mi. Definitely a quarantine risk. Especially if they get even further away from each other.

    Karfar

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 14 2020 #57147
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “The Big Short” was an extensive book before a movie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Short By Michael Lewis , a high-profile longtime financial journalist, including editor, Vanity Fair, schooled at Princeton and London School of Economics and a career at Solomon.

    But here, National Institute of Health:
    “Losing Life and Livelihood: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Unemployment and All-Cause Mortality” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3070776/

    Roughly: “According to one meta-analysis of 42 studies involving 20 million people, the risk of death increases 63% when you lose your job.” That sounds bad.

    But if bad economies increase health and life expediency, we’ve being doing it wrong: we need to crash the economy right away and keep it down for good. So the bad economies of Argentina and Mexico lead to what? The sudden bad economy of Russia in 1994, and their change in mortality rates after they began to recover? The mortality of East and West Germany? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5486873/

    But as Bosco says, that was always going to happen. Sure, it was, and now they can divert the blame. But beyond that, they are preventing any economy, that is, us, you, from making actions that help ourselves, while they help themselves to quite a lot of free cash, tests, unchecked power, and medical care.

    Good point about Sweden: it’s not that they’re doing nothing, but they’re doing what people have done about disease for centuries: the vulnerable quarantine themselves, and every man voluntarily takes the risk they are personally willing to. So a small number are quarantined, with a large number working, instead of a large number quarantined with a small number working. It may be we’ve always done that because, as we see, food supplies quickly fail if no one’s working, and lack of food is not good. Masks aren’t made. Roofs cave in. Burglary rises 75% in NYC. http://thejewishvoice.com/2020/04/store-burglaries-up-75-in-nyc-as-possible-civil-unrest-has-many-concerned/ Maybe this way was a good idea. Certainly I’m cooperating with it because “we” seem to have chosen it. However, I can tell you it’s not cost free. It has consequences that are expensive and irrevocable. Like most decisions.

    The rates we see again today with meat packing and NYC teachers, both are 0.02% death rate. That number comes up regularly, although without tests, everything is too anecdotal. What is our cost-benefit? Who pays the costs, and who gets the benefits? Right now the young are paying the costs, and generally the old are getting the benefit. The poor are paying the costs and the rich are getting the benefit. The powerless are paying the costs, and the powerful are getting the benefits. Is this what we wanted? How do we improve?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 14 2020 #57139
    Dr. D
    Participant

    I’ve got to back up, you can’t be the Devil’s Advocate with tunnel vision.

    Here’s something I was looking for:

    “In the movie “The Big Short,” one of the characters predicted that for every 1% increase in unemployment, some 40,000 people would die an early death. It could be suicide, drugs, alcohol, spousal abuse, heart attacks, but being out of work and poor kills a lot of people. So if we go to 32% unemployment as the Federal Reserve predicts, how many people must die?”

    Now that’s obviously a slippery number. How early a death? Is it overcome by being illegally placed under endless house arrest? Etc. But roughly, these are the scale of numbers to compare: 20,000 deaths, probably at peak, vs 40,000 x say +10(%) or 400,000 deaths.

    So do you want more or fewer people killed? Your choice.

    “You can’t ask the people of this state or this country to choose between lives lost and dollars gained,’ New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said ” https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-do-you-choose-between-economic-deaths-of-despair-and-coronavirus-victims-economists-lawmakers-grapple-with-a-moral-conundrum-2020-03-26?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts

    Yes, you you can, Andy. I’m sorry but that is exactly the situation life has presented you. That is exactly what you’re doing, and that we all do every day, when we drive that extra car, and eat that extra cream puff.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 13 2020 #57081
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Blast from the past. Having covered 1972, here’s their next one, right on schedule:

    “Why the WHO Faked a Pandemic”
    https://www.forbes.com/2010/02/05/world-health-organization-swine-flu-pandemic-opinions-contributors-michael-fumento.html#1cf455d948e8

    That crazy conspiracy rag, Forbes, back in 2010. You so funny!

    “”The world is going through a real pandemic. The description of it as a fake is wrong and irresponsible,” the agency claims on its Web site.”

    “Indeed, the chairman of its influential health committee, epidemiologist Wolfgang Wodarg, has declared that the “false pandemic” is “one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century.”

    Apparently not. That was only 10 years ago, the WHO is still there, and no one remembers. No consequences. Ever. No one care, but sends mo’ money, mo’ (my) money.

    “This wasn’t merely overcautiousness or simple misjudgment. The pandemic declaration and all the Klaxon-ringing since reflect sheer dishonesty motivated not by medical concerns but political ones.

    Unquestionably, swine flu has proved to be vastly milder than ordinary seasonal flu. It kills at a third to a tenth the rate,”
    “Did the WHO have any indicators of this mildness when it declared the pandemic in June?

    Absolutely…

    But how could the organization declare a pandemic when its own official definition required “simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths…?

    “WHO promulgated a new definition”

    Like all lying weasel, lawyers, hunting their next payout, they just changed the definition of what “Is, is.”

    “but why?
    In part, it was CYA for the WHO. The agency was losing credibility over the refusal of avian flu H5N1 to go pandemic and kill as many as 150 million people worldwide, as its “flu czar” had predicted in 2005.”

    That sounds eerily familiar. 25 Million. No 1 million. No, 600,000, no 200,000. 110? 60? And dropping fast, as we see from Fauci now side-stepping the blame, just like the WHO in 2010.

    “[WHO director] Chan’s dream now lies in tatters. All the WHO has done, says PACE’s Wodart, is to destroy “much of the credibility”
    Nope. They have a placard they on their door from Wal-Mart, that makes them experts, immune to any failure whatsoever. And they know it. Media reports it, people read it, and deny any evidence whatsoever, any history you present, any facts you can name, over failures like clockwork every 12 years since 1968. In fact, we’ll PAY! The more you fail, the more we support you! The more we consider you an expert authority!

    And every person breathlessly hangs on the words of these serial liars and failures. After running these scams and being discredited since before I was born.

    And they wonder how I got to be cynical and suspicious. How about “not as naive, credible, and ready to be abused as a newborn child.” Fool me 110,423 times, shame on me!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 13 2020 #57069
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “the government would deliver a small [box] to every person in America.”

    The government is your Daddy-god, who makes loaves from fishes. “The Government” doesn’t do any work, need any factories, requires no time, has no costs, and makes no mistakes.

    Back in the real world, PEOPLE have to invent tests, confirm them, get massive feedstocks in a lockdown, find floor space, install machinery, check address lists, and make payrolls. But in a cartoon world of people who’ve never done work a day in their sorry sheltered lives, that doesn’t exist. Steaks come in packages. Blouses appear –poof—from thin air on your porch, made of aether by blouse-elves. If any such boxes ever should arrive, YOU are the person that made that happen. By doing WORK. The one thing they have never done.

    “Coronavirus Spreads at Least 13 Feet, Travels On Shoes: CDC (NYP)”

    Science!™ Just like the 14-day quarantine, when we knew it was (could be) 40. What does this mean? Just like mask recommendations, it means it’s all political. They close travel when they’ll get in trouble for not doing it, not for science. They recommend PPE according to what they have, not how contagious it is or who is killed. They tell you how it works based on how convention thinks or how panicked it will make people, not on facts. They set quarantine on what’s good optically, not on evidence. Every. Single. Day. “Science!™: a popularity contest for nerds.”

    This is why it’s mostly theatre, folks. Nobody’s following the rules, or a critical minority isn’t, but also those rules they DO have are just made up in contradiction to the facts, and to Science. Yet we’re supposed to pretend they matter, that we should follow them, and that these people deserve attention and respect. They don’t. They’re un-scientific political hacks, pole-dancing for budget handouts like any whore.

    Fauci: US Given Wrong Information About Virus “Right from The Beginning” (JTN)”

    Ah, we ARE at the peak (which we know without testing) if they’re shifting blame now. So, Tony, you’re supposed to be the smart guy, how did the that naughty WHO put one over on you? I mean, I knew, and I’m sitting in my parent’s basement playing minecraft. Yet a smart Doctor like you, the one who only just failed the HIV crisis, were taken in? I’ll make it easy: you ruined everybody’s life on earth, or at least America: you’re fired. And that’s BEFORE we find out how you’ve been doing everything to stall HCQ, killing a few thousand more. And he won’t recommend disciplining the WHO, either, by say cutting off their budget. Nope! No consequences for catastrophic failure: “We’re government!”

    “102-Year-Old NY Woman Beats COVID-19 With Hydroxychloroquine (CBS)”

    What? It cures EVERYONE, regardless of how old? Just like we already knew last month? Huh. So, planning on killing a few thousand more, or can we tell the truth now? (A: never!)

    New Zealand Preparing to End Lockdown (Metro)”

    Coincidence is not causation. Do we have any idea whether the lockdowns had any effect? It had the effect of looking like they’re “doing something.” Yes, killing the economy and all the poor people.

    America Should Be Ready for 18 Months Of Shutdowns – Fed’s Neel Kashkari (MW)”

    Guess someone should tell him we’ve had a cure from the beginning. That was Mr. Fauci’s job, but he refuses to do it, like everybody else in all $2T of government.

    China Is Censoring Research On COVID-19 Origins (NW)

    Why bother? We have all the evidence and no one will look or print it anyway.

    Kits evaluated by the UK government have failure rates of 30 to 50 per cent.

    I’ll sell you 60 million pennies you can flip. Same thing but cheaper. But why don’t we have tests? Just because they don’t work? We have to do something, even if it creates 50% total fake results, lies, panic, and waste of scarce resources.

    Greek Government to Go after Priests Flouting Quarantine (K.)

    Just like vaccines, if YOU’RE at home, how is THEIR getting sick a problem? You’re safe: let them die if they want. Getting sick is voluntary, I hear, so don’t go out and get it from them. Ah, but then I wouldn’t be able to tell everybody what to do every minute, because of how awesome I am. And especially to tell RELIGIOUS people what to do, because they’re out living life while I cower in my basement ratting on kids playing in their own backyard.

    Lockdown: Not Novels and Family Time but Food Parcels and Hardship (G.)”

    But wait, government is always and everywhere good, and will give everything to everyone at no cost. You mean they screw up everything they touch? More government! That’s the cure! Anything but ME doing something and clearly not the Church. We’ll outlaw them and make them stay home. Priests are contagious in masks but social workers aren’t.

    Also the government is infinite, and is larger than all of us combined and will do what all of us won’t. Because: Logic! In #AntiLogos, a subset it always larger than the body it comes from.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 12 2020 #57066
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Washington DC issued guidelines and left it to the 50 States to do haphazardly lockdowns. This caused the differences in the graphs between Washington, New York and the other states.”

    Well that doesn’t sound right. NY locked down first and is worst. Iowa hasn’t locked down and it’s untouched. Yes, NY has more world traffic but then why not D.C. or Miami, O’Hare or Atlanta?
    The lockdown is political, so that the Federal could only do it via martial law, which I hope we do not want. As the States are sovereign, they are in control. They have the power. And they’ve used it as they wished, for the first time in my lifetime as legally required, and only because the Feds didn’t. But although always legally having all the power they need, it won’t stop them from complaining and blaming the Federal level which does NOT have the power under our Federal system and the Constitution.

    As a Federal system should Billings, MT have the same draconian rules as Brooklyn, NYC? Of course not, but that’s what you get if you DEMAND a Federal-only response and complain about any other possible response. That’s part of what makes “tyranny”: that the system, the rules, account for nothing but are iron and ignorant. That and how we see everywhere rules apply to YOU and not them, yesterday with Chicago mayor getting her hair done and proudly clicking a selfie-hug with no masks. “Rules for thee and not for me, forever and ever, amen.” Pass on edicts. Pass on hypercentralization and a monoplan for a nation with 3.79M sq miles.

    A dark age will engulf the West until a treatment is found or democracy.”

    OMG people love drama. Shows just how light and laughable the “crisis” is that they have time for such rot and nonsense. There is no Dark Age. All information ever known is at your fingertips. All cell phones work from the Space Stations to McMurdo, Antarctica. Netflix has not been shut off. You can order food and clothes from anywhere worldwide and have them delivered to your door. Even book a transatlantic flight if you wish. How on God’s earth could that be misconstrued as a “Dark Age.” If there’s any dark age, it’s of the mind as well tell ourselves endless, tireless, ceaseless lies, life being so easy we’re bored and need invent things for entertainment.

    Government was drowned in the bathtub.”

    Government has been growing in a straight line for 100 years and has never been larger than now, as it controls $2T/year of a $12T (ha) economy. That’s 1/6th. It increased under every president, particularly Reagan, the only person under whom it supposedly shrank, but clearly doubled (?) an already large and essentially pointless ineffectual government as say under Carter. But it’s easy to tell as we claim to have 17 intelligence agencies, a half-dozen law enforcement agencies, FBI, SEC, CFTC, IG, yet not one of them can do a G-d d—–d thing except watch porn, not even stop world-wide child trafficking and rape, among the highest people everybody knew about for decades, not even get from behind a golf cart during a child shooting.

    At the same time, this government doles out money and enforces the most unjust and illegal monopolies the world has seen outside of Soviet Russia. Without a hyper-large, extremely active, and fundamentally capricious government, this level of income equality would be impossible. I wouldn’t say government was drowned in a bathtub, I’d say it was The Blob, growing ever larger, mindlessly crushing everything it touches, as right now it didn’t restock 5 million masks and unemployed 16M people.

    People talk about how the virus has shut down the economy. The virus did nothing. N O T H I N G. It was a rounding error. It was our CHOICE to voluntarily shut down everything worldwide that shut it down. WE did. It’s not an asteroid from space, we CHOSE it. And that may be wrong or it may be right but the virus had little to do with it. So we don’t have to cure or overcome anything to reopen it. We shut it down voluntarily because we felt like it, so we can re-open it in an instant because we feel like it. Much of America is in “quarantine theatre” that is so full of holes and exceptions it’s buying the worst of both worlds. A third isn’t stopping anything, and wouldn’t, except their bars are closed and people are cranky, so the only places they CAN go, they do. So essentially, they’ve been “open” all along except you put them out of a job and into desperate poverty with a lot of free time. What’s to re-open? Groceries, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Home Depot, Dr.’s offices, car parts, gas stations, pharmacies, pizza parlors, liquor stores, drug dealers, and prostitution are all open right now. Since almost nothing was shut down except (sit-in) restaurants and schools, what’s to reopen? What are we overcoming? Not the virus. Our own choice or fears. The virus has now killed 0.006% of the U.S., and that’s with bad accounting. They claim we’re at the peak.

    The virus isn’t in control. It’s not responsible for the economy. We are.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 12 2020 #57030
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Speaking of lies from my comment yesterday (okay, a few minutes ago), Financial Times: Fake, just ‘cause. ‘Cause always, ‘cause we can’t say any words UNLESS they’re lies, “Death toll is climbing ever faster in NY and London.” No, “ever faster” means the rate is accelerating. That curve is above 45deg. Their curve is still rising, but at an decreasing rate. And why? “Numbers are rising” is still a dramatic headline. The numbers are bigly, so that sells papers anyway. But no, they have to lie, then print it right above their own chart that shows it’s false, they’re lying. Ugh. No one notices. No one cares. The very next thing they say we all believe. “Assad gasses his people.” “RussiaRussiaRussia” “Iraq has WMDs.” Iran, the foremost Shia state, has ties to Al-queda, their opposite and arch enemy, the furthest Sunni Wahaabists. Every word, every day.

    Noreda shows decent chart, though. U.S. rates are far lower, not higher. Because we’re ridiculously larger. That’s why we’re not as serious about lockdown, although actually amazingly cooperative, for us, and at great personal cost.

    The Justice Department signaled Saturday night it may intervene”

    That’s a heck of a hard call. Hamilton, Henry, didn’t write “you have the right to speak EXCEPT if someone is sick. You can believe what you want EXCEPT if there’s a pandemic, we can call, any time we like, either too early or far too late, and keep the “State of Emergency” “War on Adjectives” going on forever.” It wasn’t “Give me Liberty unless it’s inconvenient and someone might get hurt.” However, obviously now might not be the best time to congregate. Shows that they believe their God and are willing to die for their religion, however, which is why such hatred and scorn is put upon them. “Idiots! Chumps!” By people who believe in nothing, and cower in their basements hating principle and bravery.

    White House officials concede the approach will have little effect on the larger economy”

    Yeah, this guy lives on the coast. So, because YOU have trouble with medieval diseases and open sewers on every sidewalk from San Diego to Redmond, the guys in Tulsa have to eat s—t and die in a box, starving and unemployed. Oh wait, that was every other day for the last 30 years; This disease changes everything. Not. Not only is he dictating everything for the other 3,000 counties with almost no cases (of course!) but we have the MonoCulture, where one size fits all, regardless of if you’re a town of 300 in Wyoming or W. Virginia. ‘Cause I said so! I’m a Schmarty! Look upon me and my arrogant genius and despair! Abandon all hope, ye who read the L.A. Times.

    This is why we have Federalism, where one size does not fit all and we push the decisions down as far locally as we can. ESPECIALLY in INCREDIBLY large and diverse nations.

    More models. If Finland is right, why hasn’t everyone gotten it already? Clearly it’s impossible to leave your house without being contaminated according to their computer. A: because it’s a computer CGI we invented in our heads. Mostly, but not entirely devoid of reality. Why? Because we already know from the results their model cannot possibly be true. Great job over-hyping and scaring everyone to death though! Suicide rates are way up!

    I have to be complimentary, otherwise I would be simply lying”–Newsom

    Hell hath frozen over. It is the end of the world indeed. No about Trump, but that a politician opened his mouth and did not tell lies. That we know of. Yet.

    Hundreds Of US Meat Workers Have Tested Positive For Coronavirus (LATimes)”

    Along with tens of thousands everywhere. So? Did they stay home with kleenex for a day like everyone else? Getting it means NOTHING. It’s only people who need medical care that matters. Again, great job with wild, unfounded fear. And the deaths you cause from it you can’t go to jail for! So this article: “Two people in the entire U.S. meat packing industry died.” In four months. Wow.

    “also that of Africa, where the situation is developing differently”

    Now that’s interesting. Which is why they didn’t follow up or provide any facts, however vague, about it. How is it different? Guarantee it’s different in a way that doesn’t support The Narrative™. Not looking though because EVERYTHING I see doesn’t follow The Narrative™.

    Here’s the timeline of government failure.

    Answer: more government, more laws, more rules, more budgets.

    Greece: Exactly what I was going to say from their numbers. Greece is wildly smaller = fewer cases. But also because far smaller, far more rural and disperse. Adjust for those two and you’ll find, sure they were better, but how much? Probably mild. From this logic you could say Iowa was better, far smarter than NY. Not really. They just don’t have 67,000ppl/sq.mi.

    Is The Next Great Depression Here? (VT)

    We’ve been in it since ‘08, ‘01, or even 1994, your choice. They’ve done everything they can to keep it going and make it worse, just like FDR, in order to prevent a few wealthy people from finding fair market value and losing a small % of money. Now an entire generation has no houses, no children, no household formation, no retirement. So thanks for killing and eating your children, you cannibals. Right now they’re doing it via medicare while all the young are out of jobs.

    Turkish Court Accepts Indictment For Khashoggi Murder Suspects (DS)”

    I struggle to imagine what possible jurisdiction they would have over Saudi sovereign territory, affairs, and citizens, but law? What law? We just make it up.

    Government money creation … spurs prosperity.

    Done reading. If this were even SLIGHTLY true, then why does prosperity ALWAYS get WORSE every time they create money? Not just here, but everywhere in history? No one notices. Nods heads, “Oh you’re right, Mr. Expert, you’re so brave and strong to dilute the money –I– use, and thereby steal MY hard work for yourself to distribute to others, to your friends, to buy support.” So where does your bread, your cheese, your chair come from? From ME, getting up at 4am and W O R K I N G. Your money creation means NOTHING, has no purpose, no creation, no intelligence, no risk, no value, no worth. You’re just stealing to buy votes from the people who DON’T work. And by this I mostly mean Wall Street and they hand money back to you, D.C. to keep this theft and power rolling, and us all near-dead. Even in the odd and uncommon chance that you actually create a road or bridge that might have value, which hasn’t been done in my lifetime, all that money going to Google and Apple and every defense contractor that never built a plane that could fly, while more than half the nation dies in decay in Flint. But go ahead: no one will learn any other way. Do it until the nation collapses and the poor die most, like every other time and place in history.

    At the time, Assange, 48, was also wanted in Sweden

    Very clever to bring them up prominently fill space with them, knowing they are now quite provably false. Good job, Daily Mail, who cleverly prints all false things while technically being free of libel. “I didn’t SAY your mother was a whore, I said SOME PEOPLE said she was. Anonymous people we don’t know. And later retracted it.” See?

    Speaking of, wasn’t that “Worst Shift” nurse the one who made everything up, wasn’t on shift, and was totally discredited?

    P.S. CBS is still using the false footage from Italy. After being exposed for their fake news. Twice. Not. Helping.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 11 2020 #57024
    Dr. D
    Participant

    The trouble with Americans, as I say 4x a day, is that every person that speaks is lying, and every thing you hear, read, or even see, is a lie. When it comes to a crisis, then, what will people believe? As it is composed of almost entirely lies, each person has no possible choice but to invent a constellation of facts, of truths, to make order out of a body of facts that – because all lies – make no sense on their own.

    So “hoax” is quite a big word. I wouldn’t say it’s a hoax but it’s been a generation since media DIDN’T radically and irresponsibly over-hype anything, everything, they put their attention on. We’re catching them at it regularly now. My feeling is that it is like the ‘68 Hong Kong flu no one heard about unless you were there, and had no effects and no memory. Or even the ‘72 Swine Flu that they killed a few thousand in just four weeks with irresponsible vaccines, before they got Reagan to indemnify them against any deaths or injuries, regardless of how bad or how many.

    We add that to our present system, which despite deserved criticism about cost, nevertheless carefully keeps most chronically unhealthy people alive decades longer than before. So they are teetering on the edge, taking 20 drugs daily just to not die already. I don’t know what to say for that. Should we do nothing? Probably not, but with the deaths over 80, you have to wonder where this was going to stop anyway. We mourn death to some extent because of the time stolen from us. But these people have already stolen 10 years from Time.

    We are protected from death, as we are protected from life, now so neurotic that shots are fired if your coffee isn’t hot, much less see things live and die daily: cattle, chickens in a pot, your sister, brother, dog, all die elegantly, “correctly” out of sight, with everything paid to be witnessed and cleaned up by someone else. They don’t want that bubble popped. Who would?

    So it’s easy to create panic when 10 years of delayed deaths occur, or another way, a whole year’s worth of deaths cram into 3 months, in a population that like shiny children, has never once seen death, less faced it.

    My point is simply that we can attempt to save a few – and not even by “saving” them at all, but by delaying their inevitable injury until later, when the hospitals can accept them – and then murder 1,000 more because we forget the economy is 8 billion times larger – larger than the virus, larger than the banks, larger than the government – because the “economy” is us. So in a logical sense: do you want to kill more or fewer people? Apparently, clearly, they want more, which leads to the question: why? If we have potential drugs, they immediately outlaw their investigation everywhere, why? They immediately want new paperwork, new passports, new abuses none of which have any logical purpose in promoting health. Why?

    And so on. So is it a hoax? Yes. No. Is it being planned, engineered, executed for power? Yes. No. At any moment on planet earth, there’s a lot going on, with a lot of people and a lot of intents, many of which are trialed but come to nothing. But you can be sure people will be trying to advantage themselves at the expense of others with whatever comes along.

    Also for Korea, 500k people is just one city. Out of a nation with 3,142 counties. I know that sounds mean, but it’s impossible to recognize how vast and endless America is without spending time here. Like I said, one city is the size of half of Spain. When that’s the case, large numbers seem modest to us. And similar to any other town: should the entire town of Mayberry shut down because two people died at the County Rest Home today? Of course not. And we don’t even have numbers that high.

    Is there a thing? Yes. Should we do something, try to dampen the impact on health workers, get the vulnerable through somehow? Yes. But not at the cost of sacrificing everyone instead, our livelihoods, our centuries of law and freedoms. Especially when their severe measures – even according to themselves – won’t stop the disease anyway. Everybody’s going to get it. They’re just trying to insure a hospital bed for them, while being able to do very little for you if you end up there. 80% mortality rate. Stay at home.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 10 2020 #56935
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yay Greece! Here’s Sweden:

    TMT
    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallery=7945

    That’s in this article: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=238895
    ” A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.

    What?

    IF this is true in the Chicago metro area, and other major metros, then it means…

    …the spread of the virus may have been underway in the Roseland community – and the state and country as a whole – prior to the issuance of stay at home orders and widespread business closures in mid-March which have crippled the national economy.

    Not may.

    Was.

    …That also means that we were one generation had we left it alone — literal days to a couple of weeks — away from herd suppression — and were when the shutdowns started. We did nothing — we haven’t saved ONE single life! Suppression is occurring due to herd immunity — not the “mitigations” including lockdowns.

    The mitigations did not change the slope of any of these curves — at all.”

    No one cares.

    And they knew it which is how they knew the exact day of the peak, with both sides making all the political hay they can. Ching!! $$$

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 10 2020 #56932
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Okay, we’re finally neck and neck in tortoise and the hare, Wu Flu is now roughly equal to regular flu over a 4-month quarter. Estimates of Wu have now dropped +90%, peak appears to be here, which is odd, since they could predict exactly to the day with no data and no one tested.

    So if we’ve peaked, it’s now tapering off and over. Which is also odd, since no place but NY(city), West Coast, and NOLA seem to have any problems. Is Tulsa really that bad that the Wu won’t visit it? Is St. Louis really a virus pariah zone? And here I thought Americans were mobile, yet no virus can reach DesMoines. Since news and drama cannot reach there, maybe I should move to the nation’s safe zone.
    Explain, anyone?

    Hey, what about those tests? You know, that Australia said were contaminated with Wu? So if you take the test, you would have contracted it? And what about the 50-80% false positive rate? Sounds like if we used their test, you would have had mass panic and the very rates WHO/CDC/Gates were predicting. You know, the rates we DIDN’T have, and they were all COMPLETELY WRONG, and yet never discredited. Never. Can I prove that? No. Not exactly. But both parts of my thesis were reported by major outlets and the conclusion from those facts is unavoidable. But I cannot prove intent, and don’t have access to the size and scope of contamination. But I don’t have to, since I can tell from their own public actions what they wanted, meant, and was going on.

    Pick for yourself, which data set, which explanation fits the most fact and makes the most sense?

    “Doctors Alarmed After Some COVID19 Patients Test Positive After Recovering (RT)”

    Wasn’t this the 2nd thing we learned about it back in January, that it took this from the HIV genes? Oh wait, sorry, we’re still denying that, it came from pangolins, the world’s rarest creature. Doesn’t matter if you can re-aquire since you can shrug it off with good health, or shut it down with HCQ/Zinc channel. Bet BoJo the clown is running a little theatre for us right now.

    “Doctors Say Ventilators Are Overused for COVID19 (Stat)”

    Yes, since you have a 20% survival rate if you get on one. But I thought we needed 30,000 Mr. Cuomo. We didn’t even need 5k? And note, this ain’t Hollywood. Getting on a respirator is pretty bad for your body and your health. It’s just better than dying.

    Pay Cuts, Furloughs, Layoffs for Doctors, Nurses, Healthcare Workers (BI)”

    Let’s see, you can get $10K/mo for helping in NY. You’ve stopped all voluntary procedures, and most people in “medicine” do useless paperwork that inflates costs. This may not be the article they intend. It’s saying there’s no patients, no crisis.

    New York Has More Cases Than Any Country (BBC)”

    Yes, because NYC Metro alone is half the size of the nation of Spain but has 67,000ppl/sq.mi. The U.S. is pretty large. Also China reporting is possibly 20 Million short of the actual deaths if cell phones are to be believed.

    Trump: Widespread Testing ‘Would Never Happen’, Not Needed to Reopen US (NW)”

    Apparently he could never get Pfizer, et co to not contaminate the tests and create a little business. Britain couldn’t either.

    “Social distancing works.” – — Ohio Dept of Health

    Says the guys who didn’t bother to look at Iowa. But data is not our forte’. We’re Science!™

    UK Gov’t: Keep Economy Running, We Will All Get COVID-19 Anyway (Nafeez Ahmed)”

    I guess we’ll find out next week when they lift martial law. If it doesn’t bounce back instantly, then it was never helping in the first place. I mean, other than helping us line our pockets and win/buy elections.

    US Shouldn’t Bail Out Hedge Funds, Billionaires – Chamath Palihapitiya (CNBC)

    Sure, but this is destroying the very system they depend on (since they don’t do any work), so 2nd level effects will wipe them out shortly anyway. It’s quite a bit more thorough that way.

    “Taiwan said it had been denied access to vital information”

    They won on both sides there. First, they informed the WHO what was happening in China, and WHO ignored them, killing ten thousands. Oh, while China was busy killing doctors and whistleblowers. Next, Taiwan couldn’t get information BACK from a WHO that is 100% political, 0% science and health, and refused to communicate because Taiwan is not a real nation. No joke.

    If Tedros is not offended of being black, and that is an actual fact of his person, then how is it racist? Sounds like everybody’s on the same page. “You’re negro!” “Yes. I am. Thanks.” And? Taiwan is also Chinese. Is that racist to say? (Yes, according to the White House Press Corps, who also claim “Muslim” is a race.)

    “How Greece Flattened the Coronavirus Curve (AlJ)”

    Same way Iowa did? That is, the flattening was happening anyway? Same way Italy and NYC did not, despite total lockdowns?

    Saudi Energy Minister Says OPEC+ Oil Pact Hinges On Mexico Joining (R.)

    Don’t know why they would do this: Pemex is out of oil. But then so is Saudi Arabia, so… Cartel of the NON-oil producing countries? Add Luxemburg and Samoa. Then papers report it as if it’s real.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 9 2020 #56929
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Hey remember this blast from the past?
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-apr-27-sci-swine-history27-story.html

    “Swine flu ‘debacle’ of 1976 is recalled” -LA Times Not exactly right-wing.

    ““The government wanted everyone to get vaccinated,” Ward said. “But the epidemic never really broke out. It was a threat that never materialized.”

    What did materialize were cases of a rare side effect thought to be linked to the shot. The unexpected development cut short the vaccination effort — an unprecedented national campaign — after 10 weeks.

    The episode triggered an enduring public backlash against flu vaccination, embarrassed the federal government and cost the director of the U.S. Center for Disease Control, now known as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, his job.”

    Huh, you mean they’ve been doing this every 12 years for DECADES? Killing thousands, paying billions in damages?

    Yes. Yes. Yes. And it still works Every. Time. There is no POSSIBLE level of failure that can discredit the experts, the authorities, weapons of mass destruction and ties to al-Qaeda, we are not wiretapping Americans, RussiaRussiaRussia. So if everyone loves that so much, who am I to say?

    P.S. where’d that Zika thing go? Or ebola? Or H1N1? Weren’t some of them Class 6 pandemics, we were all going to die unless we gave CDC/WHO/Pfizer tons more money? Come on, people: Every YEAR? Please stop for me. At least make it 25 or 50 years before you forget.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 9 2020 #56927
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Your chart was inclusive of Covid. We’re talking about ones like this:
    Pnu
    https://i.stack.imgur.com/3ehhg.png

    Of which data needs further investigation, but is not salutary to their case. Apparently heart attacks are the same. And as your client, many choose not to hospital, and therefore die at home. NYC has many stories of this right now, for which they media is claiming they are all therefore Wu Flu, because it has been known for people to keel over in the streets. …But heart attacks ALSO make you keel over in the streets and are normal. So I have heard (but trouble finding charts, data in flux, etc) that NYC heart attacks have somehow all halted, and I would bet that they are being reported as Wu, just like the Pneumonia chart above. Why? No tests.

    This goes to another problem, where death certificate reporting rules may conflict with CDC reporting rules, that Death Certs are supposed to make only statements of fact. However, the CDC is indeed free to rule any plausible symptom or situation as “likely” Covid, and the two would conflict if you went and researched them all one by one. The CDC is not a government agency and has no legal liability looming over them as a death certificate does. They are just a private agency that helps with disease control and can essentially do whatever they please, make up anything they want, and only have political consequences. Like WHO, they don’t even have monetary consequences as private individuals like Gates and Dorsey can fund them if the national governments get mad with their abysmal failure that helps kill thousands, as just happened last week. #AntiLogos. No cause and effect. No consequences.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 9 2020 #56894
    Dr. D
    Participant


    “The idea that you can be completely negligent of your health and not sleeping enough, eating junk, being overweight and not exercising, but now choose to take the painstaking measures of wearing a mask to protect your health, not only shows you care about your health at a deep level but will also more than make up for years of absolute neglect
    .” Fact!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 9 2020 #56879
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Ah, it wouldn’t be March without 12 years of this:

    “Assad’s Air Force Attacked Syrian Civilians with Sarin, Chlorine, says Watchdog” (from his basement in Scotland)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/assad-s-air-force-attacked-syrian-civilians-sarin-chlorine-says-n1179421

    Yes! Assad chemical weapons Bingo. Always comes through in March. What are we, about 100 disproven cases now? But don’t worrry, we’re “Experts”. We’re the Media.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 9 2020 #56878
    Dr. D
    Participant

    So…According to CDC own numbers, pneumonia has dropped off a cliff, 90° down. Along with heart attacks and some other numbers. I know people are sitting around a lot, but…really?

    And apparently overall deaths, 3 weeks in March compared to long term average are down 10%. Now that DOES make sense with everyone sitting home.

    And am I reading that every official model has been downgraded 90% from original estimates?
    So are the states going to call off this assassination of the U.S. economy, that is to say, us yet? Not on your life. We don’t listen to no stupid charts and statistics! We don’t do no “evidence”! We’re Science™! “Panic! Now that’s Science you can believe in.”

    More fun? Iowa no take measures to stop Sharona. Exact same chart and curve as all the states who shut down their economies like Hitler:
    Ioway
    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallerynr=7920
    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=238858

    Ain’t that weird? But I am a coincidence theorist and that is not suspicious at all.

    Now to cure this epidemic and the unprecedented economic fallout, the U.S. House of Representatives spent the week, creating bill H.R. 5717 to ban common rifles. Thanks. I knew you’d get right on our most pressing problem.

    Also helpful, when criticized for believing China like a little child, being so slow to close travel, and probably STILL not recommending masks (haven’t checked), WHO answers “Don’t say bad things about us unless you want to see body bags.” Is that a threat? Because we-all were just discussing how it was exactly your policies that were CAUSING all the body bags. Allegedly.

    Feeling on the ground is that, after being super helpful and cooperative (for us) in taking the immediate action needed, getting things in line, America is now starting to take stock of what’s going on and getting pretty annoyed. And with annoyance comes anger and skepticism. So you can’t keep social moods going, they have arcs, they wax and wane like markets, like cycles. People are saying, so…apparently we’re all going to be imprisoned for the rest of our lives, with no end date, no jobs, no nuttin’? Uh, no. (Which is what I said day one, but I’m sadly always WAY ahead of things)

    So just as they talk infinite vaccine passports, 1,000 year-reich’s of lost rights, and bailouts for the wealthy while families get enough money for cat food, find Americans not in the mood. Which I think is the hope and plan. Let them get out there, talk in public and hang themselves. Nothing else will prove it to people, nothing else will end it.

    For example: so if they can print $10 Trillion in a weekend for companies, just ‘cause, why the h— am I paying taxes? If money doesn’t matter, why don’t I get a $6T check ÷ 330M = $18,000 per person, $72,000 per household? If every company in the world is shut down, how the h— is the Dow up 20% at 24,000?

    End of System. End of the Line. We are going to have a new system now.

    The Limits of Location Tracking in an Epidemic (ACLU)”

    Hey, how about you NOT do this, because you’re morons who have screwed up every tech things you’ve ever touched, can’t even run Zoom, and NOT have a future more dystopian nightmare than “Brasil”? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/

    Thanks. We won’t ask nicely again.

    “Not testing grinds economies to a halt.”

    Nah, you could just go out. Life is dangerous. You might die someday. All you get to choose is whether you die like a rat or a man.

    “how little we still know about the virus.”

    Yeah, 4 months later, with a Billion people involved, can you explain how that is possible? That don’t sound very scientific. Sounds like a whole posse of people are lying and jerking the numbers, because otherwise we would know many things with great assurity.

    “New Projections Show Virus Spreading Twice as Fast as Expected (ZH)”

    Good, so everybody has it already and death rates are still sub 0.004%. (14k / 330M) Why does everyone love fear and oppression so much? F- em.

    If you would have told anyone this on January 1…”

    I would have said the financial system froze up and was being re-set, as was patently obvious with $700B/night bailouts since Sept 14th, 2019. That this had to happen was obvious since 1999, or indeed since 1971 and printed by the Economist in 1988. There has never been a Whiter Swan on planet earth, or not for 1,000 years.

    Americans Not Making Their Mortgage Payments Soar by 1064% In One Month (ZH)”

    Nobody’s going to pay anybody, and therefore nobody is going to pay the banks. Dodge this. As must mathematically happen when you detach your currency from reality and will happen within 49 years of 1971.

    “We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the civil war straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and … correct the public health.” — Joe Robinette Biden

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 8 2020 #56838
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yes, Billionaire Trump, who doesn’t make a salary, is going to get rich on HCQ. Rich, I tells ya!

    He owns a mutual fund that owns a percent that makes a percent of HCQ, generic. Estimated that he owns as much a $2,000 invested! In a company that makes so close to zero on this generic that they don’t even break it out in their corporate numbers. Rich! He might make $2000 + $1!

    Ah, NY Times, how low you’ve fallen. But you knew it was fake because an adult American said it on T.V.

    At least since we fought tooth and nail up to now, seeds are at least LEGAL in the U.S., unlike U.K. or say Europe where, it’s literally illegal to SHARE them. By any means. Seed black market, even more punishable by death than heroin or say a trunkful of Fentanyl enough to kill every person in a small state. That’s okay. Not mad. But a 1,000 year-old heritage WHEAT seed? Now you’re in trouble Mr. Bean! Expect to be SWATTED you anti-social misfit. Next you’ll be drinking Amish MILK, I tells ya.

    As usual, the people are smarter and ahead of them, with heritage seeds and chickens being the latest rage for over a decade. Unlike 1990, there are probably enough heritage seeds stashed to feed the world. …And a good thing too, since it will certainly come to that if Europe and China have anything to say about it.

    Keep your iPhone, I’ll eat Brandywine Tomatoes. (most popular seed of most popular company, is yes, heritage open pollinated.)
    https://www.burpee.com/vegetables/tomatoes/tomato-brandywine-pink-prod000974.html

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 8 2020 #56821
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “More People Died of Suicide Last Week in Tennessee Than COVID-19”

    Awesome. Keep it up, I’m sure we can make the death rate 10x the Wu Flu via the economy if we dig in and really try.

    What did they have yesterday, 49 people unemployed per Covid CASE, not death? I’m sure it’s twice that now. Good job, Brownie! When everyone get stabbed from turning the U.S. into Argentina, I’m sure it’ll all be worth it.

    Again, the economy is larger than the virus. It’s larger than the government, it’s larger than the banks. The economy, even the Dow, is US. We the people. Everyone.

    Don’t know why I bother, but here’s more: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=238849

    “Of the people who have died in NY as of 9:30 AM on April 7th there were 2,407 with one of a list of classified serious, in fact often fatal diseases and 55 with no such disease. (740 are pending and will show up in future reports.) In other words if you have no such serious and in fact often fatal underlying condition you make up 2.29% of the deaths.
    …This means that if you have no underlying serious and in fact often-fatal condition your risk of death from this virus if you get it is 0.0687% in New York.
    For a risk of less than 0.0687% of death, quite possibly much less by a factor of two or more, if you are a healthy individual and get the virus, we have destroyed millions of jobs and placed 330,000,000 people under effective house arrest.”

    What is that, “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?” Or the “Trolley Experiment”, would you kill 1 man to save 99?

    Okay, so right now we’re killing 99 to save 1.

    But that was always the point. We need a reset, and we need a cover story. We got one, and it’s being used.

    Not trying to be heartless, but killing a thousand to save one is illogical and impractical.

    All we see is countries inventing excuses to not test.”

    Huh. Wonder why. Well U.K. at least all 30 million tests from China were fake. Now they have to pay for their toxic disposal. In the U.S. the pre-set tests from the WHO were all random. But other than that, who benefits when there’s 100% fear and 0% testing (except for celebrities)? People who want Stalinist dictatorial control, high profits, fear, good ratings, vaccine passports, mass death. You know, everyone who’s anyone. The schmarty-guyz. The really important people.

    For “Control the curve” the curve has not BEEN controlled, as predicted. However, we killed everyone trying, which was an awesome — and totally optional – benefit. And with the bailout, the 0.01% have $6T, and 99.99% are broke and will lose all their property. So. #Winning! All voluntary. Applause all around! Save me Daddy Government, you’re my only hope! You know, after lying in Wuhan, then Bejing, then WHO, then in Italy, Spain, New Orleans, SanFran, NYC, (Go to parades!) in CDC, and now in Fauci’s meetings. But other than all those guys doing everything they can to kill you and steal everything you own, Daddy’s really been helping! MOAR! I listen breathlessly. I’ll do everything you say.

    World-leading disease data analysts have projected”

    Just yesterday we went through all the models being wrong. All the modelers being wrong. Fauci saying all the models are wrong. So we printed more models and believed them. Slow are we? O-Kay.

    I look forward to bring this up later. Will anyone get fired? Nope. Discredited? Nope. Will anyone stop believing and following experts that have never been right in their whole careers? Nope. And their pockets will be picked and their reporters jailed.

    Boris Johnson’s Scientists Were Slow to Sound the Alarm (R.)”

    Yup. Experts actually covered and prevented any action, like the WHO. People like Trump had to buck them, and are bucking them still. Not to say he was early enough, but he was as early as the media and nation would let him. Even so it was nothing but “It’s the Flu” and “Rayciss!” right through to NOW, four months later, when “Biden” finally approved of blocking Chinese flights.

    ExpertsExpertsExpertsExpertsExpertsExpertsExpertsExpertsExpertsExpertsExperts

    He can’t move faster than YOU. The government IS the people. They’re not going to be smarter or better than themselves. Much worse in fact, proven by 10,000 years of history. No one learns. No one cares.

    sharp contrast with the growing unease of many of the government’s scientific advisers”

    Oh did they now? So they were uneasy at the same time the WHO said “there is no human transmission” and “Don’t wear masks?” (Wait, that was yesterday) They were uneasy when Oxford put out a study just last week saying most are already over it? Huh. Sounds like experts don’t agree, meaning at least half don’t know what they’re talking about. But makes a pretty fairy tale to sell papers that will throw elections the way the papers/reporters want. RussiaRussiaRussia. Brexit will destroy markets! And the Pound! And the planet! And the Universe! They’ll be hanging immigrants in the street! Making them scared to leave their houses, marking them with badges! (Oh wait, that was us via the Gates Foundation, n/m)

    “victims without access to testing are not being counted,”

    I don’t think so. The CDC guidelines are “If you know, it’s COVID. If you don’t know, it’s COVID. If it isn’t COVID, it’s COVID.” Look it up. Consequently all pneumonia deaths have vanished. Huh, that’s statistically odd. They’re pretty certainly being OVER counted. Right now you’re cramming a year’s worth of “Flu” deaths into a month, using just one flu…and that’s appropriate counting. But you’ll have to look back to see if any additional mortality over the year. My guess is not much, and you’ll have a baby boom that overcomes it in triplicate. Humans at work.

    I haven’t seen any genetic explanations for this.”

    I haven’t even seen that this is true, since almost all reported numbers are bent, are lies. Guessing poverty and bad nutrition taking a toll, with people not containing at all.

    Other indicators it’s a theatre show? They’re going to bury in public parks??? What possible scientific or practical reason could THAT be? Any normal human would use fridge trucks, or ship them up through the state to rural mortuaries, then ship them back for paced burial. But go ahead and use Grandma’s dead body as a prop in your stupid game. Apparently everybody loves it and approves.

    “US death total is 12,901.”

    Yes, and we have six times more people. And all the numbers are fake. Note Japan had zero cases until the Olympics were cancelled, then Lo! So Korea is probably reporting nothing they don’t have to, and the U.S. is demonstrably, via official CDC guidelines, reporting ANYTHING as Covid (as we have no testing). Oh and China has no deaths and no cases at all. Except from us.

    FakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFakeFake

    ““Why would CDC be publishing anecdotes?”

    Because we’re in a crisis and in a hurry, you dummy. But I’ll be happy to infect your family and watch you wait for that 10 year, double-blind, peer-reviewed study you demand. We’ve got 40 years’ experience with this drug. Several doctors claim to have 1,000 cases/pr Um, try THEIR 100% cure experience? Just sayin’. But I’ll sit here and watch if you want a respirator instead. It’s a free country.

    “there was no reason to believe US agencies meant to harm his young family.”

    Hahahahahahaha. You’re so cute. I mean, where would anybody get the RIDICULOUS notion that the U.S. was after Assange?

    “Can’t we just drone this guy?” – Hillary Rodham Clinton

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 7 2020 #56783
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Nemo: have heard further research shows it attacks the blood, not the lungs. So in that it lowers hemoglobin oxygen it IS very similar to altitude sickness.

    “headed to destinations all over the country to provide really important labor that supports the backbone of our economy,”

    Not really. Just means they don’t have to raise wages for farm workers. That’s been the game for decades. “Americans won’t do it!” For $50/hr they’ll bloody do it. But then you’d have slightly higher food prices and slightly higher farm profits. Oh Noes! That wouldn’t be astronomical higher wages and profits for Wall St and Inside Traders! No new DNC voters! People in cities slightly fewer iPhones, and people in the country not dying by 30,000’s. Shut it down, Mr. Trump, Shut it down!

    Cov [Fe] [Fe] Covid + Iron Iron. 2017. A message to someone, perhaps.

    I prefer Co-Vid-19. That is, “Double Vision, 2019” We certainly have a lot of it. Co-existing realities, co-existing conflicting facts.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 7 2020 #56782
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “The UK government’s new testing chief has admitted that none of the 3.5 million antibody tests ordered from China are fit for widespread use.”

    Ah, China, the WHOs golden boys. And what is this, the 4th, 5th time testing kits have “accidentally” not worked? Including those that were actively contaminated with COVID? Do we have this problem every other day of the year, causing accidental profits from accidental chemotherapy? Why not? No one can tell, no one can sue. Step Three: Profit!

    “Spain To Extend Coronavirus Testing To People Without Symptoms (RT)”

    So they’re going to test with some of the many test kits that don’t work? Very helpful.

    “We don’t know the magnitude of the risk,”

    You don’t know what the risks are after 40 years of use? You’re fired. And Fauci who won’t allow it.
    Here’s also why you’re fired: HCQ is widely used for Lupus (etc) and so there are a million test cases nationally. Hey, have those guys, with a body of millions worldwide showing unusual resistance to contracting Wu? And yes, you know. You just don’t want to say, and I can pretty well guess why. Your whole plandemic will be over by Easter, and where have I heard that before, Jim Acosta?

    Doctors Embrace Drug Touted By Trump Without Hard Evidence It Works (R.)”

    Huh. Stack of evidence worldwide, now many thousands, including being recommended by China, the earliest and hardest hit. #AntiLogos. #AntiScience. Trust the experts. Except, don’t when it makes $$$ and political points.

    Trump, 3M Deal Allows N95 Face Masks To Be Exported To Canada (G.)”

    Well ain’t that nice. After only 3 years of browbeating them, saying “you better, you better, you bet”, they suddenly see the light! Lo! Suddenly, jobs for Americans! Oh noes! Anything, anything but that!

    CDC Director Says Death Toll Will Be ‘Much Lower’ Than Projected (ABC)”

    But…we all gonna die. ? But, need 100,000 ventilators, although 80% die anyway. ? But we shut down the worldwide economy, destroyed a billion people’s livings and a billion lives. For a thing that wasn’t dangerous? Like Herr Doctor said in January? Lower? Like 2,500% lower?

    Speaking of, apparently we can finally say Wuhan’s biolab is the source, because WaPo says it’s possible now. Wait: in a few weeks they’ll say it’s definite. And it was a conspiracy theory, purged off Twitter, YouTube, purged Tom Cotton who (barely) suggested it, purged Martensen, a Duke epidemiologist, purged anyone not on the Panic: we gonna dieee!!! Train. And I knew this in January in my momma’s basement with cheeto dust on my underwear. Funny ol’ world. You’re fired.

    pitching far-reaching proposals, including the federal government directly financing businesses”

    I’m sorry, didn’t we just pass this? And now the big banks are immediately double-crossing all businesses and Americans by refusing to pass on the loans? Cray-cray proposals, oops like the ones we just did. And impossible socialist dreams like “Medicare for All”. Except Trump is promoting that for Wu Flu. Hillary said, “the answer is obvious: open up the Obamacare exchanges” so people can bid on health care. Brilliant, Thanks! One thing: none of us have JOBS anymore, so paying for exchanges…like sitting across from a professional poker player who can see your cards…

    But anyway, Trump has always been a business Democrat, and still is, so no surprise he would be on board. The only reason people think it’s strange is the 4 years of fake Orange Hitler from the media, starting a day after he was running, right after getting award from Black leaders and groups, hiring the first woman executive to build a skyscraper, and having a Jewish family while being married to an immigrant. But Facts! Who needs ‘em? A Democrat has Democratic policies? Like Kennedy? Whoda thunk?

    Wall Street Wins – Again (Nomi Prins)”

    Maybe. Or they’re getting enough rope to hang themselves. This isn’t going to work. There’s going to be another every 30 days, exponentially larger until they reset.

    State Dep’t Refuses To Back Hillary Clinton Attempt To Avoid Deposition (JTN)”

    I’m sure she’s happy to do it. She just said “No one is above the law.” You know, just before she dodged the subpoena.

    the organisation comprehensively rejected”

    Well, if the organization says there’s no whistleblowers, that settles it for me! #Authority #Experts. When have they ever lied before? Except Every. Time.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 6 2020 #56758
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yes, thankfully, we so far are not into groupthink. However, it is Raul’s house. To not allow discussions to degenerate is the main thing, what other sites cannot do.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 6 2020 #56757
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