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@madam: I don’t pre-write stuff and post it. Hence my frequent typos and grammatical errors. Didn’t have a problem posting on TAE until today so … ??
@veracious: I understand your frustration, but using a broad brush to paint everyone the same color and then hurling names at them isn’t the answer. @expat mentioned yesterday that onlookers were shouting vile things at protestors in France. To continually throw more fuel on the fire is, at the very least, counter-productive. Divide and conquer, as the saying goes.
I’m getting booted off TAE as a commenter and have to keep logging in. Getting blocked as a “spammer”, as well. Probably blabbing too often here.
I shift between incredibly tense and depressed and *not-quite-so* incredibly tense and depressed on a daily basis. At times there are interludes of joy/fun/happiness, usually when hanging with my 3 yr old grandchild (the joyful discoveries of a toddler!!!). But even during the happy interludes there is an undeniable undercurrent of … something.
“Something wicked this way comes,” indeed. 🙁
@Dr D, from yesterday. Fascinating. Thank you.
“I think everyone was incredibly tense and depressed yesterday. I was too and today as well. I hear, on Vlogs and stuff other people are too, and their moods track together. Present theory: totally predictable (look in history), but mechanism is probably either we spin 22,000mph through bands of space-stuff, or the sun puts out heartbeat magnetism on the same clockwork (roughly 70 years, with higher cycle 200y). It causes too much outside energy to be injected into human systems worldwide. Every individual at once. If they are anything less than enlightened, it overheats them and blows their circuits into violence. This is precisely what was said by Washington and in the 30’s, which fall on war cycles like clockwork. And yes, dead-matching the sun and weather (famines/disease). We are EVERYTHING less than enlightened, so it sucks to be us.”
@John Day: I knew you were being facetious.
@madam: NY is a beautiful state with many regions (none of them called upstate unless you’re from NYC). Some of the regions, off the top of my head: Catskills, Adirondack, Southern Tier, North Country, Capital, Hudson Valley and, of course, Finger Lakes and Central.
@absolute (from yesterday): I don’t live in “upstate NY” either. I live in central new york. I got in the habit of saying upstate NY when I lived in other states. If I told people I was from NY their eyes lit up because they thought I meant NYC. Got tired of pointing out there’s an entire state attached to NYC. And thus a habit was born.
Going to sign off now, Oxy, cause I need to eat. But thinking about it, just in reading TAE comments we can see many different perspectives about what is going on. If this were indeed an existential threat, wouldn’t we all see it in relatively the same way? I won’t pretend to know the answer to that, but I think it’s worthy of consideration.
Go harvest a mushroom, spend some time contemplating, let me know your thoughts.
@russel: seems similar to the US. Good to hear a different Aussie perspective.Thank you.
Although, in the US when I see people wearing masks they are usually younger? From the beginning, at least where I live, older people didn’t seem to be into the narrative all that much.
@Dark Matter: that’s simply sick. They’re grasping at straws. Sounds like a Sunday afternoon make-believe movie.
@Archie: agreed. TAE Summary is … simply the best. (wait, wasn’t there a song …?)
@Veracious, responding to your response to Dr D.
AND?? Lots of talk. What are YOU actually doing? Do you live in the US? If yes, why didn’t you leave when you realized we are ” the U$ofA-holes”?
@oxy: “I guess I worry about Petrol, food and money.”
I go through this, too. Often. Frequently. A lot. When I do … I just stop.
Yup. Seriously. (And I don’t meditate, btw. Tried many times. Suck at it.) We need to stop feeding the beast with our energy. Just. Plain Stop.
Hey oxy! Glad to hear back. 🙂 I actually should be cooking dinner because I’m a fast metabolizer, too, and I’m too thin. Dinner can wait. Food can always wait when it comes to spending time in thoughtfulness, ay?
Had my two kids young so can’t imagine little ones in my 40s. Energy needed for raising kids? Lots. On the flip side, you have way more going for you emotionally/philosophically/stability-wise than I did raising mine when I was young. So there are positives to age.
Quit playing with the legos. Dangerous game these days. 😉
I guess the trend is going to get worse, but what does that mean? What exactly is *worse*? In what way? Try to keep focus on here and now. What needs to be done today? What can I enjoy today?
Ignore as best possible the cacophony blaring from outside. At this point I’m not precisely certain that it is existentially real. (don’t tell anyone I said that – I’ll get stoned. 😉 )
@Mr House: ” Yinz guys gotta get off the crazy pills and start acting like adults.”
Kinda agree with Madam’s push back on this. Who exactly are “yinz guys”?
Saying once again … so tired of people telling us “idiot sheeple” that every blessed thing going on is all our fault. Well, just wft did YOU do? What did you ACTUALLY do differently than the rest of us?
There’s lots of blame being tossed about. YOU did this. YOU allowed that.
Ok, y’all, you blamers, so step right on up … tell us exactly what it is that YOU did, you personally, to change the trajectory of what’s going on.
Good morning, oxy! 🙂 Hang in and hang on. That’s what I keep telling my unvaxxed daughter (with granddaughter). We will get through this.
“Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.”
Marcus Aurelius
@madam: “*sigh* He said “acknowledged, which obviously refers to mainstream acknowledgement. He in no way excluded other possible side effects. Do we read others’ words here or substitute our own?”
You are correct. Let me restate. If you believe the acknowledged side effects are the only side effects you need to spend some time in the VAER system.
Is that better?
Seems we’re getting down to the technical level of wording required by governmental agencies to ensure we acquiesce to their ridiculous, mandated minutiae.
@Veracious: “Since Natural Law implies strict responsibility + liability …”
The vast majority of “western” societies (what’s the PC term these days?) doesn’t live in a natural world dictated by natural law and we haven’t for a long time. If we did, when granny got too sick to contribute she would go curl up under a bush and die from dehydration or get eaten by predators. We live in the social system that’s here and now. Natural law isn’t a big part of it. Even our so-called pets don’t live in a world of “natural law” since we don’t let them go die under a bush when they’re old either.
“Please continue on with the rants about the tyranny not delivering your every wish & dream, I’m sure that’s one way …”
Specific suggestions for another way?
I’m getting more than a bit cranky with people preaching that “it’s your fault, you idiot sheeple” but not really saying much more than that.
@greco: state propaganda has always inspired jokes. We’ve begun censoring our comedians in the US. Very unfortunate. Comedians are needed to help us acknowledge our, um, stupidity.
@madam: regarding Obama. I used to be solid democrat (actually independent, but NYS is closed primaries and I hated being shut out of primaries when registered independent). When I first heard his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, in advance of the dem primaries I thought, “no way can someone with that name win this soon after 911.” I was wrong. He did. I believe the push to elect Obama was a test. You can figure out the results of the test yourself.
Trump’s name comes up on TAE and the sparks fly. lol. As I said, he’s like a bartender shaking up an icy cocktail.
I don’t watch news, haven’t listened to a president speak in decades, am not on twitface. Didn’t experience Trump first-hand at all. Watched from the sidelines and gleaned things from headlines. Read some news stories if they weren’t Russia hysteria and didn’t lead with a twit. Er, tweet. He did some things right, some things wrong. Like most people. He also was egocentric and juvenile. Not good qualities in a president.
Not everyone living in cities believes Trump killed hundreds of thousands of people in the pandemic. I know some twenty-somethings who live in NYC and in Syracuse. They don’t buy into any of the **** at all, and they are on twitface all the time. We need to stop lumping everyone into one big heap based on demographics or geography or income. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO. Stop doing it.
@Dr D: “Totally believe the brain thing. 1) not every vial is the same. 2) not every human physiology and reaction is the same. Trust yourself.”
Thank you.
@Vietnam Vet: “Acknowledged side effects of the J & J vaccine is blood clotting with low platelet count in young women and also both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines cause heart inflammation in young men and adolescent boys.”
If you believe those are the only side effects you need to spend some time in the VAER system.
@Antidote: it’s hard to believe what anyone says about anything anymore. Too much religious-type fervor, too much politicization, too much cult-like association. Figure out what you believe and stick with it. Not much left we can do but that.
@Mr House: ““we can’t go back to normal until either all the unvaxxed are dead or vaxxed, do something about it while we look the other way.”
Word.
@Dr D: I’m typically a fan but idk about your trump rant. Trump extolled the virtue of the “warp speed” vaccines and backed it up with lots of money. Where does that fit in your “Imagine if he’d told you the whole truth …” statement? In this particular instance he [apparently] was told the whole truth but figured, “hey, I’ll just lie and tell the American people the vaccines are awesomely awesome?”
Also, didn’t mean to imply that “… “he” didn’t say anything. It’s “his” fault.” He did some things right (tariffs, not bombing Iran, Russia, etc.). Some things he mucked up badly. He’s a showman but not presidential. So?
As for “But it’s him. Tell yourself that next time you believe Scientists and CDC directors …” Huh??
Good golly.
PS … I have HCQ in my house and obtained it early in 2020. Far before ivermectin hit the scene. Go figure.
@madam: “Trump was useful as a loose cannon but is as incompetent and morally bsankrupt as they are. His virtue is that he can’t help but reveal himself every other day.”
I think you meant, “His virtue is that he can’t help but reveal himself EVERY 20 MINUTES, EVERY DAY.” 😉
Trump is a showman. Yes. Presidential? No. But then, none of them have been presidential for a very long time. Trump reminds me of a bartender using a shaker to mix up your icy cocktail. Where that particular talent of his ultimately lands us, still open for debate.
@my parents: YUP!!!
Also, Magritte’s work doesn’t do a thing for me. I must be missing something? Maybe V Arnold or an art lover on here can explain what they’re seeing that I’m not …
PS on spike protein shedding. Yes, I am taking recommended supplements. I upped them. Yes, I have ivermectin. I took that. Who knows, maybe without those …?
@Raul, regarding “vaccine covid”. I’ve grown convinced that vaccinated people shed spike proteins. My son was vaccinated (moderna, 2x). I saw him shortly after vaccination both times. I got sick, both times, with strange and seemingly unrelated transitory symptoms and it took me a couple weeks, each time, to begin feeling better.
One of the worst symptoms was in my brain (after my son’s second vaccine). I spent nearly a week unable to sleep more than a couple hours each night. Then I’d wake up with my heart racing and adrenaline pumping. For the rest of night, every single time I closed my eyes I had massive adrenaline rushes and sleep was impossible. I tried everything I had in the house to relax my nerves and nothing worked. I felt like I was going insane and couldn’t figure out why it was happening. Then as suddenly as it started, it disappeared. Thankfully. Because it was absolutely horrible.
I would not have equated my anxiety with covid spike proteins until I read a commenter yesterday on Karl D’s site who said his wife got the vaccine and was super anxious and could barely sleep. Bingo.
I know it sounds crazy. I hesitate to push “submit” and post this comment. But, well, anecdotal, for what it’s worth.
@John Day: “I think I personally feel anxiety and desperation and frustration, anger, judgementality, and I don’t think I’m alone.”
You aren’t alone.
@HerrWerner: your story was interesting and enjoyable. Thank you for sharing it. Also, I hadn’t considered that QC is expensive and not worth doing for many products these days (I can be a bit slow on the uptake!). Good point, and quite obvious … now that you’ve mentioned it. 😉
@Mister: “Hence my nickname for them, “Hide/ Embarrass”. Never heard that one before. Hilarious!!!
I’m embarrassed I voted for Obama (first term ). Was long past falling for his BS by the second term.
@Dr D: “Dogs and Cats living together!”
Love that line from the original Ghost Busters. Still use it myself at times.
Excellent write up today of the dissolving narrative. Kudos!
PS … I’ll say again, I’m sorry. I believed the narrative early on and got pissed at you. You were right. I was wrong. Embarrassingly so. What’s the line from that song? “I won’t get fooled again …” (at least, I hope I won’t). Thank you for what you do, even if we sometimes don’t seem to appreciate it. 😉
Kunstler: “Vaccine disinformation is killing people, Mr. “B” warned last week.”
Indeed it is. Almost 12,000 deaths following vaccination that we know of so far. That “safe and effective vaccine” disinformation needs to be shut down pronto.
Dr. Scott Gottlieb warned in an interview… “And for most people who get this delta variant, it’s going to be the most serious virus that they get in their lifetime ….”
Two paragraphs later, “He [Gottlieb] estimated that health officials know about only one out of 10 or 20 cases because some of those infected have mild cases and testing is not widespread.”
Make up your mind already. It’s either a very serious illness for most people, or it’s so mild only 5%-10% know they have it without testing. How can anyone believe any of this anymore?
@oxy: “Questioning from any direction is good but not if it is deliberately obstructive.”
That’s what I was trying to say. Oxy did it way better. 🙂
@madam: “The idea that there is ONE true explanation/motivation seems to me more the product of our desire for simply understood explanation rather than deal provisionally with emergent phenomena from a sea f chaos …”
I won’t argue with that. I tend toward being rational/logical, which tends toward seeking AN answer.
Perhaps there are more than one answers. Food for thought.
@madam: while “it is possible to address multiple interrelated problems at once” … in today’s 30-second-news-soundbite world it is easier to present an argument in bite-sized chunks.
Geert Van Den Bossche may well be right. We’ll know in a couple years or so. BUT … right here and now, we know from data that people are dying and being permanently disabled from the vaxx. Focusing on the here and now, when considering the attention span of the majority of the population, is the most effective way to penetrate the “safe and effective vaxx” narrative.
Also, Geert has aligned himself with the “outsiders.” He muddies the outsider water when he pushes back on minor outsider elements because this gives the opposition maneuvering space for counter arguments against ALL of the outsiders.
Is Geert right? Probably. But even us TAE people aren’t sure. If we aren’t even sure, to use the ADE argument as a way to convince those who are “all-in on the vaxx” to change their minds will be next to impossible.
Perhaps time for a tub soak, dear madam! 😉
@my parents: I am struggling mightily with the *why* of this vaxx push. I know I’ll get a few pebbles tossed at me for saying this … but I still have a hard time believing this is a globally-coordinated depopulation plan because oil is running out. Maybe I still have a ways to go before my eyes are wide open. Or wide shut. (Which term is popular now?)
At the same time … if not depop, then WHAT IS IT? There is no good reason to vaccinate children, pregnant women, or even adults up to the age of 55-65 who don’t have serious co-morbidities.
We have never in history rolled out something like this experimental vaxx initiative with its monetary “prizes” and moral/guilt imperatives. Those are the most disturbing elements. Those are the things that batter my brain day and night.
So. Exhausting.
