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  • #192527
    John Day
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    Howzit Work https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/howzit-work

    Matt Stoller describes the dynamic of our global, debt-based, Ponzi-schme economy, which degrades gradually and with plausible-deniability until the pretense of faith is shattered, but not yet, my 401k is worth $2.3 million now… The Number Go Up Rule: Why America Refuses to Fix Anything
    ​ In the Booming Twenties, all decision-making is about protecting the value of financial assets held by older people. Therefore, the number must go up. And nothing else matters.​ https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-number-go-up-rule-why-america

    ​ The Honest Sorcerer, Societal Collapse Is Not a Bug…but it’s not the end of the world either
    ​ Living in small homes built entirely from locally available resources and using manpower alone is not a fairy tale. However, it will take an awful long time and a lot of hardship till we get to that point… again. This is how the story of building one civilization after the other based entirely on non-renewable resources always ends, and it won’t be any different this time either.​..
    ​..What we’ve got on our hands here and now is the outcome of a predicament we entered ten thousand years ago. After repeated iterations of the many civilizations ravaged the entire planet, having reduced wildlife populations and the size of natural ecosystems to a mere fraction of their original size, there is no return to the caves, spears and bows either. At least not this century or the next. This civilization has no other option than to go through a long, protracted but nonetheless radical simplification. Even though we will eventually have to leave all modern technology behind, this won’t happen from one day to the next, nor voluntarily for that matter.​..
    ​..Systems (be them physical, biological, economic, political etc.) which use energy the most efficiently always out-compete other, less efficient systems. This process ultimately leads to all available energy and resources being used up — hence the name: the Maximum Power Principle — a phenomenon first described by mathematician, physical chemist, and statistician Alfred Lotka a hundred years ago. In our case it meant that foragers were out-competed by agriculturists, who were in turn were out-competed by industrialists burning fossil fuels. Each step represented a jump in energy and resource consumption. Social complexity, science, technology, GDP growth were all downstream to this ever higher appropriation of energy and raw materials, eventually leading to the formation of world spanning empires. First the Dutch, the British, then the American led “rules based order”— each bigger and more powerful than its predecessor. Since we are rapidly approaching planetary limits when it comes to further increasing our energy and material throughput, it is doubtful we will ever see a world spanning empire again.​
    ​ Our current path as a global civilization is wholly unsustainable, and thus will not be sustained for much too long. Before we could begin our long descent back to a more sustainable lifestyle, the current system has to collapse, though. Thanks to the maximum power principle it will not and cannot give up power until it exhausts all other options and folds under its own weight. Only then can we begin to charter our way towards a new equilibrium with Nature and begin the long healing process. This will naturally involve a need to redevelop counterbalances to our desires and finding the wisdom to say no to things which we could otherwise do. The regular redistribution of wealth, farmland or fishing patches, not to mention debt jubilees and potlatch (giving away or destroying wealth or valuable items) are all good places to start.​ https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/societal-collapse-is-not-a-bug

    ​ Frances Leader​ (What is their power over us?), Who Really Rules The World?​ The Black Nobility’s grip on finance, war, and health.
    ​ The term “Black Nobility” is relatively modern, coined by these families themselves to sound mysterious and occult. Their origins trace back to the Roman Empire, claiming descent from senators driven out by the Visigoths centuries ago. Fleeing to the marshes of northern Italy, they founded Venice, a pirate stronghold that dominated Mediterranean trade. From Venice, they expanded to Amsterdam and then the City of London with William of Orange, establishing a financial empire independent of Britain.
    ​ Here are the episode highlights:
    The Human Shield Tactic: Frances reveals how the Black Nobility use “human shields” to deflect blame. The British Empire, for instance, was never truly British—it was their empire, mislabeled to make the British people take the fall for its atrocities.​..
    ​..The Three (Now Four) Power Centers: The Black Nobility operate through three key hubs: the Vatican (spiritual control), Washington, D.C. (military), and the City of London (finance). Each is an independent entity, not part of their respective nations. Frances drops a bombshell about a fourth hub emerging in Astana, Kazakhstan, a city built this century with in-your-face symbolism—phoenix gardens, Judaic towers, and ties to the ancient Tengri religion. Astana’s financial center adopting English as its official language is a clue it’s becoming a globalist nerve center…
    ..The Financial Trap: Frances breaks down the immoral banking system: central banks create money as loans, forcing us to repay with interest we must borrow again to cover—a perpetual debt cycle…
    ​..No Legal Recourse: I ask if international laws like the Geneva Protocols or The Hague offer hope, but Frances is blunt: the United Nations, set up by the Black Nobility via the Club of Rome, is a trap. The Vatican’s observer seat and the City of London’s “Remembrancer” in British Parliament ensure these entities are untouchable…
    ..Hope in Human Creativity: Despite the bleak picture, Frances is optimistic. She scoffs at Yuval Harari’s claim that “useless eaters” will be pacified with drugs and games. As an activist who’s scraped by, she knows humans are inventive under pressure.​ https://onwardpod.substack.com/p/who-really-rules-the-world

    ​ 100% Chance of Nuclear War – Martin Armstrong
    ​ “We have staff in Germany, and I was told by my staff that a friend 60 years old was told to report to duty. I had a friend who was at the Viennia Peace Conference, and he called me when it was over and said, ‘Holy crap, this has nothing to do with peace anymore. This is all about preparing for war. Everybody should start getting ready for drafts, to start going that way.’ They want war. They are not backing off.”
    ​ Armstrong’s computer “Socrates” is signaling war as early as next month. Armstrong says, “Starting in August, this whole thing is going to be escalating up. Our computer has what we call a ‘Panic Cycle’ with our war cycles for 2026. That is not good. I don’t know what the hell Trump is smoking. . .. My computer has been projecting war, and it is projecting war going into 2026. This is not looking good, and Europe will lose. It is as simple as that.”​
    The other big event that happened that will change the economic system forever is the House just passed the so-called GENIUS Act (Guiding and Establishing National Innovation for US Stablecoins). The bill is now headed to President Trump to sign into law.
    ​ Armstrong contends that US debt is being sold by big holders of Treasuries, and we have to find a new market for our huge Treasury debt or we default. Treasury bonds will supposedly backstop stablecoins that the banks will control. Armstrong says, “This is really a repeat of 1863. In the Civil War, they issued national bank notes. The banks were told to buy the bonds. They could buy bonds to fund the war, and they were allowed to issue currency backed by the bonds. This is the same exact thing. These stablecoins are the same thing as the 1863 National Bank Act.”​ https://usawatchdog.com/100-chance-of-nuclear-war-martin-armstrong/

    #192528
    John Day
    Participant

    ‘What Do All Those PhDs Do?’ – Bessent Calls For ‘Fundamental Reset’ Of Financial Regulations
    He suggested that bank regulators should review outdated capital requirements that place “unnecessary burdens on financial institutions” and reduce bank lending.​ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bessent-calls-fundamental-reset-financial-regulations

    ​ Neoliberal Economic Orthodoxy Is Now Up For Review
    ​ Bessent’s criticism of the Fed’s ability to fulfill its basic mission of providing stability to financial markets, regulating the banking system and conducting monetary policy might suggest that Trump could bypass questions of whether he has the legal authority to fire Powell and ‘do an Andrew Jackson’ by abolishing the central bank altogether.​ https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/neoliberal-economic-orthodoxy-now-review

    Gabbard To Release More Obama Russiagate Files, ‘Cannot Fathom’ How Durham, Mueller Missed Evidence Of ‘Years-Long Coup’​ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gabbard-release-more-obama-russiagate-files-cannot-fathom-how-durham-mueller-missed

    ​ Celia Farber, As More Russiagate Whistleblowers Emerge, Gabbard Calls For Criminal Referrals: “This Treasonous Conspiracy Was Directed By President Obama Just Weeks Before We Was Due To Leave Office.”
    Clapper: “I Constantly Said That We Didn’t Have Any Evidence” Behind The Op Known As “Jan 6.” Was A TRUE Attempt To Subvert The Government.​ https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/as-more-russiagate-whistleblowers

    ​ Trump posts AI video of Obama being arrested​ The US president has endorsed conducting a criminal investigation into the former Democratic leader over the Russiagate hoax​ https://swentr.site/news/621767-trump-obama-ai-video/

    #192529
    John Day
    Participant

    Gabbard Releases Long-Classified Martin Luther King Jr. Assassination Files​ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gabbard-releases-long-classified-martin-luther-king-jr-assassination-files

    ​ Attorney General Pam Bondi revealed Tuesday morning that the Department of Justice is to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘madam’ who has expressed a desire to talk about the so called ‘client list’.​ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/doj-announces-imminent-meeting-ghislaine-maxwell

    ​ Western Life Is Only One Way to Live​, Thomas Neuburger
    ​ Conor Gallagher​ intro: There are also still small communities not organized around capitalism, such as Ashaninka villages in Peru that practice real direct democracy on a smaller, manageable scale and live in reciprocity with the environment. Long ago this used to be commonplace, but I’d have to disagree with Neuberger’s conclusion that we could have this the minute we want to. The rich that will never surrender their ill-gotten wealth and power and a whole lot of people who want that wealth for themselves. Even countries that try to experiment with new modes new modes of production, distribution, and reproduction are targeted relentlessly and ruthlessly by the capitalist gangsters.​ https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/07/western-life-is-only-one-way-to-live.html

    ​ Reports That American Man & His Family Slaughtered By US-Backed Syrian Regime
    ​ American diplomat and Trump admin official Richard Grenell has issued the following message on X: “I have just been given horrific news and videos of what is said to be an American citizen from Oklahoma who has been brutally killed in Syria. He is Druse. I have passed it on to a senior State Department official and a Member of Congress to check the facts.”​ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/reports-american-man-his-family-slaughtered-us-backed-syrian-regime

    ​ One minute video of mean, vicious, relentless police gang-rape-brutality, dogs straining to join, on peaceful protesters:
    Cops were caught on camera beating anti-ICE protesters on the Ohio–Kentucky state line bridge; then dragging them off in zip-ties like it was open season on dissent. They didn’t de-escalate. They cracked down. And they made sure the cameras saw it. https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1946681712756261206

    #192530
    John Day
    Participant

    Enforcement machine, bypassing “technicalities”: NYPD Bypassed Facial Recognition Ban to ID Pro-Palestinian Student Protester
    Barred from using Clearview AI, NYC police relied on a marshal in the fire department to run a search that turned up photos of the student at his high school graduation.​ https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/07/18/nypd-fdny-clearview-ai-ban-columbia-palestinian-protest/

    Mossad Chief Pushes For US Assistance In Removing Gazans To Outside Countries​ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mossad-chief-pushes-us-assistance-removing-gazans-outside-countries

    ​ Israel kills 55 including 36 starving Palestinians near aid distribution center in southern Gaza
    Dozens injured as Israeli forces open fire on aid-seeking Palestinians in Rafah​ https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-kills-55-including-36-starving-palestinians-near-aid-distribution-center-in-southern-gaza-/3635430

    ​ Huckabee threatens to declare Israel does not welcome Christians, as visa row blows open
    US envoy pens scathing letter to interior minister, accusing Israel of blocking Christian groups from entering Israel and warning of reciprocal steps against Israeli visa seekers​ https://www.timesofisrael.com/huckabee-threatens-to-declare-israel-not-welcoming-christians-as-visa-row-blows-open/

    ​ Current “Members of Knesset”: Survivors testify: MKs participated in sadistic sexual ‘rituals’ involving minors
    ‘Doctors, educators, police officers, and past and present members of the Knesset were involved in these abuses,’ survivor says.​ https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-856407

    #192531
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ British surgeon Dr. Nick Maynard says Israeli soldiers in Gaza are turning the targeting of Palestinian children into a “HUMAN-HUNTING GAME.” “These children are being targeted almost as if it’s a game… One day they’re all shot in the head, the next day in the neck, and another day in the testicles… There is a clear and deliberate pattern to the injuries.”​ https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1946582207658664184

    Washington Times: Suggestion Jeffrey Epstein Was Mossad is an Anti-Semitic ‘Blood Libel’​ https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64988

    ​ Germany’s Merz says what’s happening in Gaza is ‘unacceptable’
    Friedrich Merz renews his call for ceasefire, urges Israeli government to allow more humanitarian aid for Palestinian civilians​ https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/germany-s-merz-says-what-s-happening-in-gaza-is-unacceptable-/3634754

    ​ Decrying ‘dramatic humanitarian situation’ in enclave, pope reiterates call for immediate ceasefire in Gaza
    Pontiff, Israeli Premier Benjamin Netanyahu speak in wake of Thursday attack by Israeli forces on Catholic church in Gaza that killed at least 3, injured several others​ https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/decrying-dramatic-humanitarian-situation-in-enclave-pope-reiterates-call-for-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza/3635015

    ​ Egypt rejects US quid pro quo over Gaza and Ethiopia dam
    Egyptian officials have rejected a US offer to intervene in the Nile dam dispute in return for aiding Israel’s plan to build a concentration camp ​in Gaza’s south.​ https://www.newarab.com/news/egypt-rejects-us-quid-pro-quo-over-gaza-and-ethiopia-dam

    #192533
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ Israel levelling thousands of Gaza civilian buildings in controlled demolitions
    Israel has demolished thousands of buildings across Gaza since it withdrew from a ceasefire with Hamas in March, with entire towns and suburbs – once home to tens of thousands of people – levelled in the past few weeks.​ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59

    ​ 8 second video loop: Gaza is undergoing one of the worst famines in the world and what do Israeli citizens do?
    They are attacking a destroying what little aid caravans go to Gaza.
    They want babies to starve and children to die. They say it all the time. https://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1946678626994229278

    ​ ‘We dream of bread’: Gaza’s streets echo with hunger as bodies collapse from starvation
    With flour gone, markets empty, hope fading, Gazan surviving on desperation alone as starvation turns from threat to reality​ https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/we-dream-of-bread-gaza-s-streets-echo-with-hunger-as-bodies-collapse-from-starvation/3636154

    ​ “Israel is in non-stop war crime status, in genocidal status, without shame, without remorse, without truth… This is a murderous gang in government. They are zealots. They are not going to stop.” —Prof. Jeffrey Sachs​ https://x.com/Partisan_12/status/1946842538905604106

    #192536
    John Day
    Participant

    It’s Clear – Israel Now Has a Plan for the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians From Gaza
    Someone conceived it, there were discussions of pros and cons, alternatives were suggested, and all done in air-conditioned conference rooms. For the first time since the war of revenge in Gaza began, it’s clear that Israel has a plan – and it’s a far-reaching one.​ https://archive.is/20250720142506/https://www. haaretz.com/opinion/2025-07-20/ty-article/.premium/its-clear-israel-now-has-a-plan-for-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-from-gaza/00000198-2456-d55c-a1be-7efe76860000#selection-307.0-311.264

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    #192537
    John Day
    Participant

    ​It is over. “Ukraine” has lost. It is just playing out. Russia has reached war-industry steady-state, while destroying Ukrainian recruitment-centers & factories. Simplicius, Grave Nation: Ukrainian Cemetery Mega-Project Reveals Dimming Military Hopes https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/grave-nation-ukrainian-cemetery-mega

    ‘No Miracles’: Russia Downplays 3rd Round Of Ukraine Talks Set For Wednesday​ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/no-miracles-russia-downplays-3rd-round-ukraine-talks-set-wednesday

    ​ “Anger” at Putin is just a cover: the West announced in advance the imminent replacement of Zelensky with Zaluzhny
    ​ Signals are coming from the West that Volodymyr Zelensky, who imagined himself to be beyond the control of Western curators, has signed his own death warrant. Now this is no longer a rumor, but the very near future.​..
    ​..If Zelensky refuses to leave his post, which is most likely, then he will be forced to do so, as “one of the American officials involved” told Hersh. https://en.topcor.ru/62200-zlost-na-putina-lish-prikrytie-na-zapade-zaranee-anonsirovali-skoruju-zamenu-zelenskogo-na-zaluzhnogo.html

    ​ Simplicius, Out of Options, West Again Floats Flushing Zelensky?
    B at MoA covered this in full, so I don’t need to rehash every detail. But suffice it to say that it accords with Trump’s alleged recent opinion that Zelensky is the ‘main obstacle to peace’, despite new misgivings about Putin. B does point out that Hersh reportedly makes a perplexingly off-target claim about Russian losses, as follows:
    ​ “I have been provided with new Russian casualty numbers, from carefully evaluated US and British intelligence estimates, that show that Russia has suffered two million casualties—nearly double the current public numbers—since Putin started the war in early 2022.​”
    ​ If the same sources who’ve furnished Hersh with such outlandish casualty figures are the ones who’ve relayed the latest Zelensky intel, then it certainly casts doubt on the rest of their info.
    ​ In fact, another round of new body exchanges has shown casualty disparities continuing in the stratospheric range, as Russia gave back 1,000 new bodies to Ukraine, and received 19 in return​. https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/out-of-options-west-again-floats

    German Chancellor Merz: “Long-Range Missiles for Deep Strikes into Russia Coming Within Weeks’​ https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/german-chancellor-merz-long-range-missiles-for-deep-strikes-into-russia-coming-within-weeks

    #192539
    John Day
    Participant

    US arms deliveries to Ukraine could be delayed for several years​ https://vtforeignpolicy.com/2025/07/us-arms-deliveries-to-ukraine-could-be-delayed-for-several-years-media/

    ​ Ex-Pentagon official:​ US could run out of missiles in eight days
    Retired ​US Army Colonel and​ former Trump advisor, Douglas Macgregor urged the US to “stop sending weapons abroad” as he warned of America’s exhausting stockpile of offensive and defensive missiles, Sputnik reports.​ “Translation, we can fight an 8-day war, and then we would have to go nuclear​.”​ ​ https://en.mehrnews.com/news/234445/US-could-run-out-of-missiles-in-eight-days

    ​ Did Fauci Get Pardoned by Autopen?​ Senator Rand Paul Refers for Criminal Prosecution
    ​ Was it possible that Fauci approached Biden in his neurologically compromised state and requested an unprecedented 10 year period of clemency for crimes he committed? Was it signed by Jeff Zients a top aide to President Biden? We may find out if the Justice Department assigns a special prosecutor and the case moves forward on two alleged crimes: 1) fraud on multiple levels, 2) mass negligent homicide.​ https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/did-fauci-get-pardoned-by-autopen

    ​ Booker Launches Bill That Gives Citizens Right to Sue Pesticide Makers as House Pushes Measure to Protect Big Chemical
    Federal lawmakers are being asked to consider two dueling pieces of legislation: one that protects the right of Americans to sue a pesticide maker if exposure to the company’s product harms their health, and one that protects chemical companies from those very types of lawsuits.​ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cory-booker-bill-americans-right-sue-pesticide-makers-big-chemical/

    #192541
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ Their Water Taps Ran Dry When Meta Built Next Door
    In the race to develop artificial intelligence, tech giants are building data centers that guzzle up water. That has led to problems for people who live nearby.​ https://archive.is/20250717042139/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/14/technology/meta-data-center-water.html#selection-403.0-407.160

    ​ Brighter Nights and Darker Days Increase Risk of Death by Up to 46%
    A decade-long study of 88,000 people and 13 million hours of light data reveals that circadian disruption from artificial light may be silently shortening lifespans.​ https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/brighter-nights-and-darker-days-increase

    ​Meryl Nass MD, on what would be ok without illegal chemical dumping: Sewer sludge was deodorized and magically turned into fertilizer though full of toxic chemicals. Section 507 wants to magically disappear the EPA draft guidance on sludge. WHY must it be killed?
    ​ What the chemical and solid waste industries don’t want anyone to know. Here is the draft EPA report.​ https://merylnass.substack.com/p/sewer-sludge-was-deodorized-and-magically

    ​ ‘An Encouraging Sign’: 60% of Pregnant Women and Young Mothers May Delay or Refuse Routine Vaccines for Kids
    ​ The results of two nationwide surveys suggest a growing number of new and expectant mothers are questioning the safety, efficacy and necessity of vaccines for their kids. The results track with a recent poll, conducted by Zogby Strategies and funded by Children’s Health Defense, showing 60% of parents of young children believe it’s time to review the childhood vaccine schedule.​ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/60-percent-pregnant-women-young-mothers-may-delay-or-refuse-routine-vaccines-kids/

    #192542
    John Day
    Participant

    FDA Approved Moderna COVID Shot For Kids Behind Kennedy’s Back – Two HHS Aides Fired​ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fda-approved-moderna-covid-shot-ffor-kids-behind-kennedys-back-two-hhs-aides-fired

    ​ NEW STUDY: Long-Vaccine Patients Have 7X Higher Spike Burden Than Long-COVID Patients
    100-patient study finds vaccine-injured individuals had 7x higher spike antibody levels than unvaccinated individuals with confirmed infection and Long COVID symptoms.​ https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/new-study-long-vaccine-patients-have

    ​Tibetans have no say: China begins construction of world’s largest hydropower station in Tibet. Premier Li Qiang inaugurates project in Nyingchi, southwestern China’s Xizang Autonomous Region https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/china-begins-construction-of-world-s-largest-hydropower-station-in-tibet-/3636049

    ​ Sub-Saharan Africa Can’t Afford to Eat on a Carbon Diet​. Green fertilizers are an empty promise to farmers in sub-Saharan Africa
    ​ Today, the production of most fertilizers begins with a process known as steam methane reforming (SMR). SMR uses the methane (CH4) in natural gas to make “grey” hydrogen which gets reacted with atmospheric nitrogen to make grey ammonia (NH3). The entire process of synthesizing grey ammonia from natural gas is called the Haber-Bosch process.
    ​ Each year, emissions from the Haber-Bosch process account for about 1.8% of global carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions on account of its high energy requirements and SMR’s generation of high-purity CO2 as a chemical byproduct. In contrast, “green” hydrogen—produced by splitting water (H2O) with renewable electricity—directly emits no CO2 but regularly costs over twice as much as grey.​ https://www.breakthroughjournal.org/p/sub-saharan-africa-cant-afford-to

    ​Generating additional charges for what the eye can’t even see: Avoid Hertz’s AI-Powered Rental Car Scanners https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/avoid-hertzs-ai-powered-rental-car-scanner

    #192543
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    #192544
    zerosum
    Participant

    AI data centers require a cheap way of getting rid of heat if it doesn’t want to burnt to death.

    #192545
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Arresting Obama is a pretty good distraction (especially considering how short notice this all was), and it’s also a pretty good start on putting LOTS of big shots in jail, but it is ALSO totally irrelevant to the fact that our entire government (Trump and pals included) is run by monsters that make Obama look like an Eagle Scout.

    But, hey, if they wanna but Obama in the slamma they won’t get any objections from me.

    #192546
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Talk of the earth running out of energy is pure bullshit. Sure, the energy mix has changed, especially in the USA that has a legacy oil industry which is fully invested in refining heavy oil, an industry that cannot refine the vast reserves of US oil that can only be extracted by fracking, and the march of electrification.

    There is masses of oil out there, lots of it, such as the US fracking oil is very good quality but expensive to extract; others are very cheap to extract but suffer the USA’s sactions due to the USA’s “if we can’t profit from it then you can’t either” fake free market.

    Sure, oil use peaked a few years ago, but oil use does not limit available oil, there are hundreds if not thousands of years of available oil, the issue is that most countries are pushing for electrical energy expansion, mostly due to the march of electronics and the premier technology; now the AI “dot-com” boom. And as for the products created from oil – plastics, fertilisers, …. endless items etc – are still being manufactured at a massive rate.

    The fact that the USA’s oil industry is out of date and dying is not due to limited earth resources, it is due to US oil companies refusing to invest in new infrastructure, same as with other inductries in the USA, so they focus on extracting existing value; in the USA this means importing heavy oil and refining it, then exporting the products of that process for a profit.

    Peak oil is politics and consumer driven, not resources driven.

    #192547
    aspnaz
    Participant

    zerosum said

    AI data centers require a cheap way of getting rid of heat if it doesn’t want to burnt to death.

    Nuclear power already solved this problem, but in the USA corporations come first, so they will use fresh water for cooling and restrict the water available for the life of the people. Any sane government would outlaw the use of so much fresh water for AI datacenter cooling, a massive waste of resources. Let them build on the coastline where the available heat sink will not impact the current citizens. The USA has a ton of unoccupied coastline and the employees do not need to work at the data center, so what’s the problem? Cost. Cost is the problem. Sea cooling is not the cheap option, so the people are shat on and the corps get the cheap break. Citizens United should rename themselves as billionaires united.

    #192548
    Celticbiker
    Participant

    We’re all Palestinians now, in this jewbanker panopticon. Some people get it. Most don’t. They will, eventually, when it’s too late.

    #192549
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    #192550
    zerosum
    Participant

    Ready or not. What will be will be.

    #192551
    WES
    Participant

    Lying AI Lies:

    I will lie sweet lies to you today.
    I will lie more sweet lies to you tonight.
    If you love me tomorrow, I will lie all day
    I will lie about the lies I told you last night.

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