Debt Rattle July 27 2025
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@MichaelReid
I am remembering our original encounter
when you thought sanctions were good
because this was the USA doing it
and explained this was just a weaker
country being beaten up by the USAWell if that’s what you remember then it explains a lot about why you’re so mistaken, because your memory is an hallucination. I have never thought nor said that sanctions were good, because I think the exact opposite. Similarly in regard to Gaza I have been explicit and outspoken that the USA and Israel (and all other violent Zionistic …and other… colonializing empires are criminally insane genocidal psychopaths.
Did @aspnaz bite you or something? You’re thinking and writing like you’ve got the same viral brain infection. Don’t lie about what I’ve written, or what sort of bizzaro “memory” you’ve invented. It makes you look like an idiot at best, because the other possibility is that you’re just a deliberate liar.
Hatred and violence will never get rid of enemies who hate you so badly that they want to hurt you. It’s like cutting off your own nose to spite your face.
Where I differ from DBS is that I see “truth and love” as the prize, not the solution. They are the prizes that we can earn for our families if we are able to use violence and hard work to create the environment that can sustain truth and love. Laziness and mixed up thinking will destroy that environment over time, but truth and love are still the prize, not the solution.
In a way they is is like human rights; there is no such thing as a human right, if you want human rights for your children then you are going to have to create them and enforce them with violence, then your children can have the luxury of human rights.
As for believing in a God in the sky, that is even more of a luxury that will require more violence and enforcement, but is certainly not a solution to anything.
We go out for a walk, a swim, an ice-cream then we go home; the ice-cream is the prize for your young kid doing the walk and the swim in good humour. The hard work has to be done first, then you get the prize. No hard work, no prize. Simple.
@Aspnaz: I think the good revolution in China was the “Boxer Rebellion” and the good leader, Sun Yat-Sen, China’s first elected President, was absolutely the right man for that job in history.
Tragically, he died suddenly of GI cancer just as WW-2 was rolling in and his lieutenants Chiang and Mao were not up to his vision, but had a lot of ambition, which divided China.
China eventually recovered some after a survivor of all that, Deng Xiaopeng, tried to pick up where Sun had left off, though the world was much changed…@ DBS: This was about the best I could come up with.
@ aspnaz,
He believes in God
We don’t
It is fine and irrelevant but
I brought it up as my understanding of God
Would exterminate those involved in the Gaza genocideYour example of chairman Mao as a “success story” for blood soaked revolution is quite revealing of your mind set and moral standards. But I must admit that Mao is a great example of soaking the earth in blood. He killed tens of millions by most counts, which is a really strange way of counting success, unless you’re an exterminator.
So you espouse mass killing of one’s own people by violence, starvation and tyranny as a measure of success and consider the espousal of truth and love as to be the spouting of nonsense. That figures.
What else would anyone expect from someone like you?
Here’s the example you sarcastically (and rather ignorantly) asked for of a country transformed by truth and love: India, 1947,
@MichaelReid
Not my country, asshole. The criminal Cabal that has stolen my country. By your reasoning we should blame the Native Americans for being rubbed out by the same crew, or blame the Irish for the Great Famine, or the peasants of China for the carnage of Chairman Mao and his CCP.
You’re not going to hate and kill your way to a better world, but you’re going to wrack up an impressicve body count. Maybe you, Aspnaz, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot, Joe Stalin, Genghis Kah and Benny Netanyahu could start a little club of like-minded individuals to rid the world of people you don’t like. Just don’t turn your back on any of your fellow club mates.
@MichelReid
I believe that
God believes in the death penalty for evil people.You’re not real big on Bible Study I take it, or logic.
@ DBS,
No need to use foul language.
You need to kill the ones responsible.
You will not love them into submission
@John Day
No surprises there, Sun Yat Sen was the USA’s man, having been educated in the west (USA and British Hong Kong), he was a doctor, like yourself, and may well have been a Christian, he was also funded by the Chinese diaspora in the USA. He valued the likes of “democracy” and “American values” and would have done immeasurable harm to China; anyway, he led the country for a while, he was the first leader (hence the personality cult of “Father of the Nation”) but he basically failed to unite and drive the country forward. He is a big name in Taiwan (don’t think he ever lived there), due to his KMT roots, as is Chiang Kai-shek who did live there. He also has some sort of memorial house in HK, if I remember correctly; I haven’t been.
The Boxer Revolution, or to be more precise, the Wuchang Uprising, took control away from the Qing dynasty, but that cycle has been happening for millenia, with different dynasties displacing previous ones with force. But, that did not establish a new course for China, it just left China in chaos with all the pieces still up in the air. Well after the Boxer Revolution there were plenty of revolutionary groups vying for power. Sun Yet Sen wasn’t even a part of the Wuchang Uprising, he was later elected into leadership by the revolutionaries, the first President of the Republic, as the only person they could unite around; the man with money. But nothing much changed under Sun Yat Sen, the hard yards were done by others, he was just a unifying figure at the time. They were still all fighting when he died.
Mao’s break way from the KMT was the start of the changes that made a real difference; this happened all after Sun Yat Sen was dead. He was the one who was able to guide China, however brutally, through the choas and onto its current path. I am no fan of Mao, but he was effective and the Chinese are reaping the rewards.
I do not dismiss Sun Yat Sen altogether, but he just did not have the ability needed to drive China forward into its next era.
@ DBS,
That is logic and I wrote it like a proof or code
I think you are confused
If there is a God I am sure he believes in justice (and truth)
I see “truth and love” as the prize, not the solution. They are the prizes that we can earn for our families if we are able to use violence and hard work to create the environment that can sustain truth and love.”
…………………………………………………….Your philosophy reminds me of the funny old saying that “Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Chastity.”
Thanks, at least, for explaining your position. You think that it is possible to hate and harm one’s way to love and benevolence. That’s absurd on it’s face. Even a small child understands cause and effect well enough to know that hatred does not cause love, and harm does not cause well being.
My guess is that you have invested a lot of your energy into conflicts with others. I would also hazard the guess that you harbor a lot of resentment toward others as the explanation for your having lost so often.
John Day said
Sun Yat-Sen, China’s first elected President
Sun Yat Sen was not an “elected President” in the sense that readers in the west would understand. He was elected by the representatives of the revolutionary groups ruling different provinces in China. The people who elected him were also not elected, they had seized power in the various provinces. They were all different groups with different ideals, that is why a lame duck like Sun Yat Sen was easy to unite around as an inoffensive figurehead.
@DBS,
People are being killed
What does love have to do with that
Perhaps you think it should continue because your president is paying for it
Where does love fit here?@Aspnaz: Thank you for your polite presentation of your views, not identical to my own.
Howdja like Deng Xiaopeng?D Benton Smith said
Not my country, asshole. The criminal Cabal that has stolen my country.
Ownership does not change through theft. As you state above, it is your country funded by your taxes and is being destroyed during your lifetime.
@MichaelReid
That is logic and I wrote it like a proof or code
I think you are confused
If there is a God I am sure he believes in justice (and truth)
First of all, both you and I and most other people that I know of (and there are a few exceptions) should pray to the God which you don’t believe in that none of us get what we deserve, else none of us will survive it. Personally I would be very grateful for a little forgiveness to soften the justice.
Secondly, if you want to be taken seriously then you simply cannot have it both ways, you either believe in truth, justice and love (all of which require the existence of God) or you don’t.
I will accept your arguments as legitimate assertions, and respond to them accordingly, only if you take a stand on one side of the fence or the other. No “mugwump” evasions allowed. If you do not believe in the existence of a divine creator of the Universe then you cannot legitimately base any of your positions on the existence of truth, love or justice, because without God those words are just hollow nonsense without basis in reality. Same goes for words like good, bad, fair, and so on.
Atheists, for example, can commit murder and genocide with a clear conscience because if their is no God then there is no good or bad, but only might makes right.
Pick a side and stand your ground or just be quiet to conceal your ignorance.
D Benton Smith said
You think that it is possible to hate and harm one’s way to love and benevolence.
Violence and hate are two different things; get a dictionary and study. The police force in your town use violence to enforce laws that allow you to live in peace. The police and judiciary do not, as a rule, hate the people they put into jail, they probably feel sorry for most of them, but they have to go to jail so that people like you can dream that the world is make from pixie dust controlled by some old geezer sitting on a cloud.
Look at animals, if humans is too difficult, they use violence to find dinner. Food supply chains slaughter your meat to provide you with dinner. Do you think they have to hate the meat before they kill it? Violence is the most natural act on the planet, along with breathing, giving birth, eating etc. The fact that you find it so terrible says more about how displaced your thinking is from reality.
The violence of Gaza is terrible, but the Israelis are not willing to live with non-Jews, and their jails are already full of Palestinians, so they slaughter them on the streets. It does not matter how much the Gazans love peace and truth, they are going to be slaughtered and while the Israelis can get the support of your country, the UK and the EU, they will continue slaughtering. The reason they are being slaughtered is that their men folk did not prepare sufficiently enough to protect their women and children; I am not blaming the Palestinian men for not trying hard enough, but the reality is that they didn’t achieve enough; if they had a nuke and blew up Tel Aviv then the fighting would have stopped by now.
You disowning your country is about as much use to them as your love for them; it gives them nothing. You going on a 10 million man march through Washington, demanding changes, just might get some people nervous enough to stop the slaughter, at least until you are back firmly embedded on your sofa.
The west is bankrupt.
So we war, cull and devastate our own people with injections saying we will care for each other. Lies. I cannot believe it has come to this. At least we are not in Gaza but as someone said that is coming too.Ownership does not change through theft. As you state above, it is your country funded by your taxes and is being destroyed during your lifetime.
Well in that case we both better move at once to countries that don’t have the Death Penalty or extradition to countries that do, because we’re both goners and as guilty as sin. You’ll fry in the chair for the tens of millions that “your” country slaughtered, and I’ll swing from the gallows for mine.
Such punishment for the “sins of the fathers” would violate the law of every legal system that I’ve ever heard of, of course, but apparently, you’re a full spectrum sort of hanging judge and being accidentally born here is no excuse and doesn’t get me off the hook. No excuse, right?
So, explain to me, please, why you murdered all those peasants, Aspnaz, and no whining about how it wasn’t you who pulled the trigger, burned the crops, or aborted the babies. No excuses. You’re Chinese, so it’s your fault.
John Day said
Howdja like Deng Xiaopeng?
I think he was essential at the time, his changes to the Chinese economy, his focus on using the west to help China’s development. He is always known for “opening up” China to the west. Although I don’t know this subject very well, I always thought of Deng as having a rosy view of the west (because Mao kicked him out for being too capitalist at one time), while Xi has a very realistic view of the west. Both served their purpose at the time, but I can see why the CCP elected Xi afterwards; Xi is more in keeping with Mao, able to drive China forward into the future, transitioning the country into a unique China – not a copy of the west – and a first world country ready to be the biggest power on earth.
D Benton Smith said
Such punishment for the “sins of the fathers” would violate the law of every legal system that I’ve ever heard of, of course, but apparently, you’re a full spectrum sort of hanging judge and being accidentally born here is no excuse and doesn’t get me off the hook. No excuse, right?
I accept that I am guilty, never said I wasn’t, but you seem to have a problem with being a sinner. I am not Chinese, as I have explained many times, but you are old and repeating stuff to old people is nothing new. I abandoned my country and lived in various different countries around the world, I abandoned it because it had become a shithole, I travelled to find somewhere better. You have to live in places to see if they are better because you have to get to know local people, without that knowledge you don’t really know anything. I eventually ended up in China and liked it, liked the people, have many Chinese friends and, if China allows me to, I will stay here until I die.
You can accuse me of running away, and yes, that is what I did. When nobody else is willing to stand and fight, you realise that you have to run away instead. At the time, if there had been some way of fighting to get my country back then I would have offered my help, at the time. No longer, those days are past, I now know China, I see the west as a sickness that has to get to the fever stage and burn out before the west can recover.
if they had a nuke and blew up Tel Aviv then the fighting would have stopped by now.
Because we would all be dead in a worldwide nuclear holocaust. There. Problem solved, You’re a genius.
Palestinians:
Palestinians are the original Jews forced to convert to Muslim.
The new or fake Jews want to exterminate the old Jews
No Arab country wants either) the new or old Jews in their countries.
So the old Jews are screwed as nobody wants them.
The new Jews are behaving like Nazis.You have never (and still haven’t) come out of the closet to reveal either your nationality or ethnicity, so don’t say that you have. To make the claim that you’ve done so “many times” is such an obvious fabrication that I’m astounded that you even say it. Everyone who reads this forum knows that the claim is simply not true. Disingenuously vague hints don’t count. Your cowardice is your own business until you start making accusations against others, which you have done freely and without reservation. You’ve verbally attacked me without cause so many times using so many lies that I have lost count.
So, you ran away rather than fix either your country of origin or your adopted one because you thought that you couldn’t win a fight. That action makes you a coward, @aspnaz. It’s just as simple as that.
Cowards should exercise more discretion in their accusations.
D Benton Smith said
Because we would all be dead in a worldwide nuclear holocaust. There. Problem solved, You’re a genius.
Yeah, that would mean that you would be involved, you would have to get off your sofa and do something. I can see why that is so alarming for you. The reality is that the Jews are only slaughtering the Palestinians because they can get away with it, there will not be many people willing to do something to try to help the Palestinians. As Putin said about his nuclear protocol; what is the point of the world existing without a Russia. The Palestinians should have thought along the same lines; why should the world exist without us. But don’t worry, if it came to that, I am sure they would be thinking of you with truth and love, so you would be okay.
@ DBS,
I am simply undecided and will remain that way until we meet and I don’t care if we ever meet real or not.But you are mistaken to believe that I don’t have ethical guidelines.
You can be a decent human being without God and all that illogic.Having been a nurse I am intimate with death.
I have no fear of it.
It is the end of life as conception was the beginning.
Forgiveness is something you should seek from those you hurt while you are both aliveGod not required
FBI Raiding Trump’s Florida Home:
The most interesting thing about the FBI raiding Trump’s Florida home, is that Trump knew they would be coming, just not exactly when.
Thus the secure locked file room guarded by the SS.More importantly, the FBI raid allows for any future legal prosecutions to be done in Florida, not in Washington DC.
A very smart legal move by Trump.It strikes me as singularly unwise for @aspie to berate and disparage my age as some sort of debilitating and disqualifying disease, on a forum comprised mostly of senior citizens. Has he no grasp of the where the phrase “older but wiser” came from? Apparently not. Maybe he has had no older and wiser heads to instruct him otherwise. That’s not very sharp persuasion politics, Aspie. Bad PR technology too.
Yes, @aspnaz I am old, 77 to be exact, but not even close to debilitated. I’m what they call, “older but wiser”, and an example of why any culture with much hope for advancement does it’s best to preserve us as sources of information which are simply not acquirable in any other way. Not “living fossils”, but “living books”. You should read more.
@MichaelReid
Agnostic is just another way of saying lazy (or afraid). The only reason that you can say that it’s possible to have ethics without God is because you are too lazy to think it through, or afraid of what you would find out.
Man up, Mike. Get up off of that lazy ass and think the thought all the way through to its unavoidable conclusion. Aren’t you even a little curious about why you haven’t done that yet? It is literally the most important question in everyone’s life, and yet for sone unexplained reason you just haven’t got around to it yet. Hmmm. Ya just gotta wonder why.
The word you’re looking for is “dissemble”. Look it up. It’s what you’re doing. You’re bad mouthing others, making shit up, and talking trash on things you really don’t know anything about, in an effort to divert attention from yourself and the many many childish mistakes that you’re making. You’re not completely full of shit. Sometimes you get things right, but when you’re wrong you take zero responsibility for it and make no effort to rectify your mistakes. You just dissemble harder.
@MicahelReid
But you are mistaken to believe that I don’t have ethical guidelines.
You can be a decent human being without God and all that illogic.”No, Michael, actually you can’t. To think that you can is simply irrefutable evidence that you’re not really thinking. You’re just mimicking social norms and enacting your childhood training. That’s why I said that you’re lazy. It’s because you are. The thing that’s wrong about your half-formed notions on ethics and God is that it is, in a word, wrong. If you were energetic (and brave) enough to actually think it through to the end then you would know that, too. This isn’t my “opinion”. It’s just fact. Go do your due diligence and find that out.
Raul does a great job on this site. I do not know how he maintains his sanity.
I think we need to have a TAE meetup in person for the oldtimers — in part to figure out who is a real person and who is a bot.
D Benton Smith said
To think that you can is simply irrefutable evidence that you’re not really thinking.
DBS is now lecturing us on what is a decent human being and how God – in who’s name, continuing now in Gaza, millions have been murdered in total wickedness – that God is an essential element. What a total fucking load of horseshit. DBS from the USA, the country that is traditionally Christian (the President is sworn in on a Bible) and therefore has God, is telling us that we need God too to be as decent as you murdering bastards? Really. Wow, just wow, your head is so far up your ass I am impressed that a man of your age could achieve such a feat.
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