Debt Rattle June 20 2025
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June 20, 2025 at 9:14 am #190377
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterEugène Delacroix Liberty Leading the People 1830 • White House Says Trump To Decide On Attacking Iran ‘Within Next 2 Weeks’ (ZH) • Trump Has Re
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 20 2025]June 20, 2025 at 10:00 am #190378Dora
ParticipantTrump says he still hasn’t decided what to do about Iran. He’s sending two naval battle groups into the area. The old, overthrown Shah’s eldest son is suddenly popping up all over the news as the exiled crown prince-in-waiting.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/irans-exiled-crown-prince-predicts-regime-collapse-reclaiming-of-nation/ar-AA1GY5dl
Trump knows exactly what he wants to do, imo. US and UK have been waiting 40 years for this. What false flag event will be staged to justify the US entering this war?June 20, 2025 at 10:51 am #190379tboc
ParticipantHere is the argument in brief;
The divine entity delivered the Law to a people at a moment when they were nomads. The Law in part said, do not lie, do not steal, do not murder, do not covet your neighbors property. This was a covenant, a contract. Fulfill the terms of the contract and receive a bounty.
The divine entity then told the people to go and break the Law. The divine entity of the three O’s, omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, had not prepared a place for the people knowning for an eternity that the place would be theirs. The bottom line is, the divine entity told the people to go and steal and murder to receive the bounty not by fulfilling the Covenant – The Law.The Messiah plainly tells the disciples there is a New Covenant and The Law is and has always been the perfect model for human behavior. The Messian however gave a broader and more strictly interpreted reading of The Law. The basis of understanding The New Covenant are the two Greatest Commandments, love the Truth with your whole being and place nothing before the Truth, love your neighbor as yourself.
Anyone who eschews the New Covenant is not a disciiple of Jesus, The Messiah.
Anyone,claiming disceiplesip with the Messiah, who claims the right to lie murder and steal is breaking The New Covenant and will hear these words – “I never knew you”*opinion*
these modern selective bible readers seem to always have the ability not to read Isaiah who plainly stated that the leaders of Israel did not follow The Law.
On the basis of a people who have been Law breakers for over a millenia humanity is to accept assasnination, genocide, armed agresssion, coveting their neighbors propterty and stealing that property through armed aggression.I will not support The Modern State of Israel under any circumstance. It is totally irrelevant what the most selective bible readers on the face of this planet, fundamentalist christians, have to say about the matter. These are people who claim The New Covenant and spend easily 90% of their time reading and worshiping based on selected texts from The Septuagint that suit them. They glorify those who killed the prophets, all the while claiming that The Messiah’s meassage was written in Greek.
NO TO THE MODERN STATE OF ISRAEL. The modern state of Israel is created by man and can be terminated by man. I Am That I Am has no part in the travesty of The LAW that is The Modern State of Israel.
June 20, 2025 at 10:52 am #190380aspnaz
ParticipantJune 20, 2025 at 12:05 pm #190381zerosum
ParticipantDebrie from Israel/Iran Fireworks before 4th July
copilot
Absolutely—debris can significantly affect missile performance, especially during high-speed flight or after an intercept.Here’s how:
– Post-intercept debris: When a missile is intercepted mid-air (say, by an anti-missile system), it can break apart into hundreds of high-velocity fragments. These fragments can confuse radar systems, obscure sensors, or even damage nearby missiles or aircraft.
– Atmospheric debris: At hypersonic speeds, even tiny particles like dust or rain can cause serious damage. A concept called “dust defense” proposes dispersing engineered particles into the atmosphere to disrupt or degrade incoming hypersonic missiles. The idea is that repeated impacts with these particles could destabilize or destroy the missile mid-flight.
– Collateral effects: Debris from missile strikes—especially in urban areas—can also interfere with follow-up missile guidance or targeting systems. For example, falling rubble or smoke plumes can obscure infrared or optical sensors.
So yes, debris isn’t just an afterthought—it’s a real tactical and technical factor in modern missile warfare. Want to explore how this plays into Israel’s Iron Dome or Iran’s missile defense strategies? Or maybe how AI is being used to track debris fields in real time? Let’s dig deeper.
————–June 20, 2025 at 12:23 pm #190384Dr. D
ParticipantSo everyone is out debating our actions, as nothing happens, we’re “not involved”…as much as is possible given 80 years of conditions. Anybody notice? Nope. Everything that’s SAID, everything that’s THOUGHT, it all must have happened, right? In my mind?
“Grassley Probing Withheld FBI Records On Alleged Chinese Election Interference
The senator says he’s asking for additional documentation regarding an FBI effort to destroy the original report before Patel took over the agency.”Meanwhile, did I hear correctly official FBI statement the 2020 election was stolen, it was easy to tell? Aaaaaand no news, because: News. Probably Elon got a haircut or something. 2020? What’s that?
Well, Ted Cruz showed himself to be the same guy everybody expected. Surprise.
What is that, and why? We’re having a public discussion: DID you learn anything from the Iraq II yet? And all the others? Some of us were always against, always on this, but you need the MAJORITY to say no, and be normal, rational monkeys. Discuss in public: are we there yet? Or not?
What gets me most is that he’s such a CHEAP whore. $2M? Really? That won’t buy lunch, much less selling out your country. Some guys are getting $20M, respect yourself, man.
“Religious fundamentalists are the same people who hold the heretical belief that we must support Israel’s non-stop campaign of murder,”
Yes, well-engineered. But A) WHAT religious fundamentalists? What is this, the 80s? That there are illogical factions in all kinds of areas? Yeah, no kidding. Points: ” But THEY are hypocrites!” Oh lord Jesus and all the saints, REALLY? At this point? How about, can you find a single person/party/subject that is NOT entirely hypocrites? We’re still on this from the left, and on Cruz. They’re like, “But this Tucker criticism isn’t in good faith…” While reversing their own argument about knowledge (needed to be fully information about population etc) from only LAST WEEK. It was required then, not required now, because “My Side.”
Perhaps it’s not true, but that’s what I heard when these words are used, like “They’re special, different, and the sole people acting this way” when you have fractions of every group being rabidly pro-war, and foundationally hypocritical across the board. Still on about how it’s the Right who are violent fascists as the Left goes to rallies, all shoot each other, then call for more lockdowns, while reversing every election they have, even their own internal Party vote,
twicethrice. Once by not voting but appointing, once by reversing because they wanted. Reading the headlines, it’s like “Yeah, but that’s NORMAL, we don’t count for it.” No, that’s the SAME as the dozen remaining fundamentalists, you just see, feel, and perceive it as different. YOU are the hypocritical fundamentalists. Look in a mirror.…Or for that matter, I am one of these “Expert”, Harvard, “Ackshully” guys, brainiacs-who-know nothing, of which I regularly speak. I don’t mention it, but yes I know it. There’s a difference.
“We get the impression that Trump is having, let’s say, some second thoughts. On Tuesday, he said “The next week is going to be very big, maybe less than a week.” On Thursday, it was “Amid speculation regarding negotiations with Iran, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next 2 weeks.”
Why? He was never going to. He was saying this so he can run out HIS clock on THEIR clock. (and look at that budget!) We keep saying: IF Israel doesn’t win fast, they lose. Trump lets them try, knowing they can’t win fast. (AND Iran gets cut in half) But like Ukraine, this all depends on them believing – even as hope against hope – that the U.S. will back them, or they won’t dare, sit still, and remain stable, nothing changed.
Two weeks from now he goes “Oopsie! Wow, that was sooper-great but we just can’t and look at the political numbers! The People won’t support it! I mean, I will – I totally got yer back! — but the American people not so much.” Exact. Same. As Ukraine. Why? Because it works.
…But that remains to be seen, AND I still can’t support it. I’m out.
“• Leavitt: Trump thinks ‘substantial chance’ of Iran negotiations
• Leavitt: Witkoff has been in touch with Iran
• Leavitt: Trump always interested in diplomatic solutions
• Leavitt: it’s the US belief that Iran has never been closer to a nuclear weapon
• Leavitt: Iran can and should make a deal or face consequences
• Leavitt: Trump remains in contact with Netanyahu
• Leavitt: Iran is in a weakened position and we have sent a deal
• Leavitt: Iran has all that it needs to achieve a nuclear weapon, it just needs a ‘decision’”Releasing all facts and their #Opposite. All day long. This is now standard and no one notices, all reality a la carte, as each person’s internet feed is unique to them, they never see/read that the OTHER guy’s feed is different and opposite. Only idiots like me who read both sides, and leaning to equally.
“• Trump Has Reportedly Approved Iran Attack Plans, Withholds Final Order (ZH)
Exactly. Classic. Soooooo, if he’s decided, why wait? If we’re all a go, why stop? He sold us out, except for the part where there’s no delivery of goods.

“• US Intel Has No Evidence Iran Building Nuclear Weapon – Top Democrat (RT)
C’mon, seriously? I’m as much as anyone on Tulsi’s “No evidence”, 30 years of fake allegations, but c’mon. Look: they want to have all the components on the shelf so they can assemble it in a few weeks, a month, exactly what I would do, and you would too.
This is an artifact of “We tell lies then lies on the lies.” In this case the act is both “true” and “false” via words, but perfectly simple in fact. And I actually dgaf if Iran has one, esp cz Israel has one, but I’m honest about it. And I keep saying, I can sense there’s a secret CIA in Iran, a secret faction, hidden in the Rev Guard, buried in a mountain bunker for years. You get a weapon, like Hydra, they just pop up, unseat the “Moderate” government, and 10 days later, control it, load it, fire it. Dr. No, head of K.A.O.S.
I’m not saying that’s not like Israel, but because “time exists” we have a chance to stop only one of these two nations from getting there. Okay, then we need to solve Iran’s, Russia’s, Saudi’s problems? What’s the end state they can all live with? I mean, certainly not where Israel just gets to bomb them all day. They need assurances we almost can’t give. But not this either.
Forget Israel: why wouldn’t Iran tell you to gfy after all these years and unseat Saudi, UAE, Oman with a nuke? Make all Iraq a protectorate, more than now? It’s the most natural thing, like water rolling downhill. And on the other end, we can’t have the U.S. putting Iran in cold storage, getting China by the balls using George Bush’s WWIII plan, then flipping Iran to the West, bringing China to heel by controlling their oil, and bam, WWIII is over, the elite technocrat mafia won. No. U.S. don’t get to “Win” here either.
““The Zionist regime’s claim that Iran attacked one of the hospitals in the occupied territories is completely false..”
Well, it was Reuter’s, BBC, CNN, so… Of course it was all false. And easily so.
Article: “Why Iran do dat?” Forgetting to mention that 50 years of sanctions and isolation, THEY don’t get to choose. The West chose for them. And we say “how naughty”, “How sanctions don’t work” “Dum.” THAT’S NOT THE POINT. They know full-well what, emotionally, it’s going to do to Iran, so that Pushme-pullu, it A) Puts all Iranian oil in a big savings account B) Later they can use this situation they’ve engineered Iran to be in to topple it and directed using extremely old, well-understood tactics.
Okay, great. Now WE show up in 2025: how do you diffuse the bomb? They are internally like this, from every experience they’ve had since birth? Do you wave a wand and give them an enlightenment experience so they can be liberate from all that? Be above it, not have Karmic reactions? This is what the Bad Guys set up, everywhere they can. They want to MAKE you scum, so they can point at you and SAY you’re scum, because then ALL humans are scum, just like them, and they don’t have to feel so bad. No. They’re scum because of YOU.
““..Putin does not understand that the problem is Greater Israel.”PCR now has PutinTelepathy. I bet the answer is more, harder war.
“• Is Trump’s Constituency Netanyahu or MAGA-America? (Paul Craig Roberts)
You don’t even have to ask, we already know it’s 6:1 against Nutsy and Israel. …But don’t worry, people here will say it isn’t because numbers don’t exist. Liberals can’t do maths and neither do paid IDF accounts, they run all on emotion.
What he’s trying to say is not “Who are they” which is simple to measure, but “Who has control?” The people-base, or the Expert-class insiders? Even if the insiders in this case are “Republican”. The consequences he describes are true, but I’m well-sure Trump and everyone knows it. These are not some magic 3rd and 4th level thoughts. What HE doesn’t grasp – being consumed with his own ego – is that IF Trump knows all this, AND he still acts like this, THEN, what’s going on that I don’t see and know about? Luongo, right or wrong, is at least taking a stab at what those things are, and why. Krainer says every interview now, “I’m sorry but that’s just so stupid I can’t help but ask if something else is going on.”“Of course, the fight isn’t over. The radical left won’t give up its crusade to confuse and mutilate America’s children just because the Supreme Court dealt them a major blow.”
But, but, I thought we all respected the Courts now! For 50 years the Courts said “Roe” for example, and we all just HAD to respect it! Okay, so this is the hill they want to die on, great, let them. But also: WHY? Since that clearly is, has been, always would, destroy them and their own power, regardless of how deranged and narcissistic, so WHY? Wouldn’t they defend their own POWER first, back up and murder different, less obvious, children?
“Germany’s 5% of GDP Defense Spending Goal Will Ruin Economy (Sp.)
Errr… Yes? But also no? Nations have done this before with no problem, Germany included? But you need to be a smooth, cohesive, aligned, friction-free machine. Davos has spent generations getting all pieces broken and fighting each other. (Corporations are preeminent then)
Calvin: This is what happens when you let your brain run unrestrained. As you see everywhere, worldwide right now.
June 20, 2025 at 12:25 pm #190385Dr. D
ParticipantDora, why is HE in control, and not WE are in control? If he wants to FF, then WE can say, “GFY, We don’t buy dat.”
YOU are the government, Army, and authority.
June 20, 2025 at 12:26 pm #190386zerosum
ParticipantFirework debris might seem trivial, but under certain conditions, it can have unexpected ripple effects—even on things like internet connectivity and missile systems.
1. Internet Blackouts
While fireworks themselves don’t directly cause internet outages, debris from large-scale displays can contribute to localized disruptions in rare cases:
– Physical interference: If fireworks are launched near communication masts or fiber-optic lines, falling debris or misfires could damage infrastructure—especially in rural or poorly shielded areas.
– Electromagnetic interference (EMI): Though unlikely, dense clouds of metallic particles (like aluminum or magnesium) from fireworks could, in theory, interfere with wireless signals if concentrated enough. However, this would require extreme conditions not typically seen in public displays.
– Power-related knock-on effects: Firework debris can ignite fires or damage transformers, which in turn could lead to power outages—and by extension, internet blackouts.
2. Missile Systems
Here’s where things get more interesting:
– Radar confusion: Firework debris can create false positives on radar systems, especially if the debris contains reflective metals. This could momentarily confuse missile tracking or air defense systems.
– Sensor interference: Infrared or optical sensors on missiles might be blinded or misled by the heat signatures or smoke plumes from fireworks—particularly in urban combat zones or during covert operations.
– Trajectory disruption: While unlikely, physical debris from fireworks could interfere with low-flying drones or small missile systems, especially if launched in close proximity.
So while firework debris isn’t a primary threat, it’s a wild card—a small variable that can cause outsized effects in the right (or wrong) conditions.June 20, 2025 at 12:49 pm #190387zerosum
ParticipantImagine bankrupting yourself over a fantasy threat.
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• US Intel Has No Evidence Iran Building Nuclear Weapon – Top Democrat (RT)
• No Proof Iran Is Working On A Nuclear Bomb – UN Watchdog (RT)———–
• Germany’s 5% of GDP Defense Spending Goal Will Ruin Economy (Sp.)
———-June 20, 2025 at 1:01 pm #190388Red
ParticipantFrom Zerosum’s AI:– Atmospheric debris: At hypersonic speeds, even tiny particles like dust or rain can cause serious damage. A concept called “dust defense” proposes dispersing engineered particles into the atmosphere to disrupt or degrade incoming hypersonic missiles. The idea is that repeated impacts with these particles could destabilize or destroy the missile mid-flight.
I may be wrong here but I understood that at hypersonic speeds the bow shock was a build up of plasma.
It was due to this plasma build up that radar was absorbed rather than bounced back which is what made them hard to detect. Again if true than I don’t see “dust” as much of a problem. The heat from the plasma would vaporize it. Wouldn’t it?June 20, 2025 at 1:28 pm #190389John Day
Participant@Tboc: Yes. “Love God (Truth) with all your heart, and Love your neighbor as yourself.”
June 20, 2025 at 2:31 pm #190390those darned kids
Participant“YOU are the government, Army, and authority.”
hahahahahaha, on what planet!?
June 20, 2025 at 2:31 pm #190391zerosum
ParticipantTrump Problem to solve for 4th July.
An American air campaign against Iranian military and nuclear sites would engender huge retaliatory actions by Iran including:
– Closing the Straits of Hormusz
– Cutting off over 20% of the world’s oil supply – leading to a devastating world economic crisis
– Targeting US and UK carrier strikes groups with land based cruise, ballistic and hypersonic missiles.
– Possibly targeting oil fields in the neighboring Arab states
– Possibly triggering the intervention of Chinese naval vessels in protecting Iranian interests
– Increased attacks on the occupied Palestine using ballistic, cruise and hypersonic missile systems further damaging the already severely weakened economy in that occupied state.
DJT is aware of these actions, and most of all he wants to make a transactional deal……..stay tuned!
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 20 2025 14:19 utc | 7
————-June 20, 2025 at 2:34 pm #190392those darned kids
ParticipantTHE DECLARATION OF WHATEVER…
we, the people, in order to more perfectly continue watching the psychopaths who rule us do dumbass shit, will continue to do nothing.
June 20, 2025 at 2:38 pm #190393Topcat
ParticipantJune 20, 2025 at 2:40 pm #190394Topcat
ParticipantDon’t look.
Nothing to see
We’re nobody
June 20, 2025 at 2:41 pm #190395Just Some Randomer
ParticipantDr. D: “What HE doesn’t grasp – being consumed with his own ego – is that IF Trump knows all this, AND he still acts like this, THEN, what’s going on that I don’t see and know about?”
I was told a long time ago by a mentor, whom I respected, that ‘If you see people that you know to be intelligent doing things that look stupid it probably means that you are missing some important piece of information’
June 20, 2025 at 2:41 pm #190396Just Some Randomer
ParticipantDr. D: “What HE doesn’t grasp – being consumed with his own ego – is that IF Trump knows all this, AND he still acts like this, THEN, what’s going on that I don’t see and know about?”
I was told a long time ago by a mentor, whom I respected, that ‘If you see people that you know to be intelligent doing things that look stupid it probably means that you are missing some important piece of information’
June 20, 2025 at 2:43 pm #190397Topcat
ParticipantBatshit Crazy
I’ve given up on Earth, I haven’t given up on humans.
Well most humans but not the Chosen Few
“I think we’ll have enough mass transferred to Mars within like 30 years to make Mars self sustaining, such that Mars can continue to grow & prosper even if the resupply ships from Earth stop coming, & that greatly increases the probable lifespan of civilization.”
一 Elon Musk
June 20, 2025 at 2:49 pm #190398Topcat
ParticipantMeanwhile back on planet Earth they keep churning out The Tards® and still getting a gravy boat of compensation…
June 20, 2025 at 2:55 pm #190399D Benton Smith
Participant@JohnDay @Tboc
Yes. “Love God (Truth) with all your heart, and Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Equally true and proven workable on BOTH sides of the argument between spiritual and material. Saints, sinners, and atheistic psychopaths equally well served. Doesn’t matter who you are or what you believe. Try it. You’ll like it.
June 20, 2025 at 2:55 pm #190400Topcat
ParticipantWhen you’re getting hit in daylight, you don’t really control you’re air space. Do you?
From this morning
Downtown Tel Aviv
June 20, 2025 at 2:57 pm #190401zerosum
Participanthttps://tass.com/world/1977467
20 Jun, 06:48
Israel again under fire from Iran, with about 25 missiles launched
According to the report, sirens went off in areas including near Tel Aviv, and at least one loud explosion was heard during the attack
TEL AVIV, June 20. /TASS/. Israel detected missile launches from Iran and issued an air-raid alert in many parts of the country.According to a TASS reporter, sirens went off in areas including near Tel Aviv, and at least one loud explosion was heard during the attack.
According to the Ynet news website, the alert was issued at the same time in many parts of the Israel: from the north to the very south, including the Eilat area on the Red Sea coast.
According to Israel’s Channel 12 television, this time around Iran launched about 25 missiles, according to preliminary data.
The National Ambulance Service said at least two people suffered injuries, with one of them in serious condition and the other in moderate condition.
The military has not yet commented on the aftermath of the attack, but canceled the air-raid alert and allowed people to leave shelters.
———June 20, 2025 at 2:59 pm #190402Topcat
ParticipantIran came back to serve seconds on the Weizmann Institute
Weizmann Institute: Zionist Military Science Hub DestroyedSmokin’
Weizmann Institute
June 20, 2025 at 3:04 pm #190403Topcat
ParticipantAnother broad daylight strike on Haifa which has ceased to be a functioning port for Israel.
And it’s gone….
June 20, 2025 at 3:10 pm #190404Topcat
ParticipantIran has been very busy coming up with new missile designs.
June 20, 2025 at 3:10 pm #190405jb-hb
ParticipantAnything that sounds like “news” — unverified, true or not – from MoA comments last night:
–Nationwide red alert in Israel. Impacts in Negev and Tel Aviv.
–Impacts in Beer Sheba and Haifa.
–Unconfirmed reports of Yemeni cooperation in the attack.
–Ballistic missile impact near the Knesset.
– New massive strikes on Israeli territory have been reported – arrivals have been recorded in the northern, central and southern regions of the country.
– Among the targets hit were areas of Beersheba, the Judean Mountains near Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa and other populated areas.
– According to preliminary data, more than 20 rockets were fired. Iranian sources claim that government buildings, including the Knesset building, were hit.
– The footage shows powerful explosions in Haifa and the first recorded strikes on Jerusalem.–Fears of hazardous material leaks due to an Iranian missile impact — Israeli Channel 13
–An Iranian missile or drone struck an Israeli radar site in the Golan
–Iranian Media: ‘The school targeted in Tel Aviv was located on top of an IDF military command center’
The latest Iranian bombardment of Israel included approximately 20 missiles hitting.”
So either the Israelis intercepted none of them or they fired a lot more?In October after the last round of tit-for-tat calmed down; Teheran MFA posted this cryptic message (from memory):
3 power plants
2 refineries
1 airport
The tally so far after 6 days:
(3) Power Plants
Hadera 2.56GW✅
Ashkelon 2.25GW Mt. ???
Carmel (Haifa) 1.02GW✅
2) Refineries
Haifa ✅ (offline for 1 month)
Ashdod ✅ (offline for 1 month)
1) Airport Lod (Ben Gurion) – abandoned
Shiptracker:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:34.5/centery:33.7/zoom:7
Pleasure Craft – steady back and forth to/from Cyprus
Haifa – dead, with waiting ships anchored , and bizarre holding pattern circa 40km offshore (see link)
Ashdod – active but light traffic
Eilat – dormant
Suez Approaches – normal busyAny predictions what happens to the 3 Carriers now being thrown into the fray ? [THREE]
“Iran says it foiled an Israeli plot to assassinate Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi in Tehran. A top adviser called the attempt “a serious and real conspiracy” linked to Mossad. Araghchi, likened symbolically to Soleimani, is central to Iran’s diplomacy amid rising tensions. Tehran has heightened security amid fears of more Israeli covert strikes.”
Some positive news:
Admiral Shamkani, claimed to have been killed by mossad, has apparently survived and is recovering medically.
Iran hits Be’er Sheva after launching only one missile–Israel targeted another medical center in Kermanshah, Iran, rendering the facility nonfunctional
–Israel appears to be bombing Lebanon too
–Iran’s defeat is looming. Israel dominates Iranian airspace at will.
Mossad operative arrested in Tehran
In an intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance operation, Tehran police arrested a Mossad operative who was using WhatsApp to send the location of air defense deployments to an intelligence agent abroad and then laser pointing defense positions for air strikes and bomb guidance.Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi says that he will meet with European sides on Saturday, stressing that Iran will never agree to hold talks on its missile capability.
“Speaking to local Iranian media on Friday, Iran’s top diplomat stated that the Americans have so far called for serious talks with Iran but, he stressed that, Iran will not talk to them as they are an accomplice in the Israeli regime’s ongoing crimes against Iran.”
“We have told them as long as the aggression continues, talks will be pointless,” he underscored”Israeli settler throws grenade at Norway ambassador’s house – BBC, ITV, Sky ignore
An Israeli settler has thrown a grenade at the residence of the Norwegian ambassador to Israel, damaging the building but fortunately not injuring anyone. The Israeli regime has repeatedly attacked Norway for recognising Palestinian statehood and the Norwegian Sovereign Fund has divested from Israel’s energy company, while the Norwegian TUC last month voted overwhelmingly for a complete boycott of Israel.Two activists from Palestine Action on Friday breached Britain’s RAF Brize Norton base in Oxfordshire, damaging two military aircraft in protest of the UK’s role in enabling the ongoing Israeli assault on Gaza.
The activists sprayed red paint into the engines of two Voyager aircraft and used crowbars to disable components. A Palestinian flag was placed on the runway, and parts of the tarmac were covered in red paint, symbolizing the bloodshed in Gaza.Refael Franco, former deputy director general of the Israel National Cyber Directorate, said that Iran has been actively attempting to connect to private surveillance cameras across occupied territories to monitor the aftermath of missile strikes and refine targeting precision.
“We know that in the past two or three days, the Iranians have been trying to connect to cameras to understand what happened and where their missiles hit,” Franco stated.
Another spokesperson from the Israel National Cyber Directorate confirmed a pattern of attacks on internet-connected cameras, citing renewed attempts amid the ongoing war. Photos from strike zones remain under official blackout. Meanwhile, Franco and other cybersecurity officials urge settlers to disable or secure their home surveillance systems.Negev Advanced Technologies Park, a Unit 8200 affiliate and believed to
host a manufacturer of loitering drones used in Israeli assassination strikes, sustained damage in the Iranian ballistic missile attack.
The IRGC claims that this was the target of the ballistic missile attack.Still very worrying that Israeli jets have apparently free rein in Iranian skies, surely at that point they can hit what they want. It’s looking more like the Gulf War than the Ukraine war, where air defence still exists.
(reports of 60 planes over Iran)June 20, 2025 at 3:16 pm #190406D Benton Smith
ParticipantIt’s uncertain just how far The United States and Israel (The Globalist Empire) will push it, or whether or not they eventually go to nukes, but its totally certain how successful they will be. In either case they lose. They can lose immediately at small cost to the world and themselves, or they can lose later at a very high cost indeed.
But in no case do they, or even CAN they win. The world is not going to back off and let the monsters have their way killing whoever they choose with total impunity. That’s just not going to happen. We’re doing everything we can to avoid this fight going all the way to nuclear blasted annihilation, but if it won’t be our side (the anti-monsters, the decent, the good-guys, the godly) that capitulates.
The age of murder will end, one way or the other.
June 20, 2025 at 3:23 pm #190407Topcat
ParticipantAs reported yesterday by the Duran israel has NOT penetrated Iranian airspace except for the far western border and even that is only with drones.
Israeli jets are firing stand off ordinance (chickenshit ordinance) from Iraq air space. Those are the hits you see in Iran, stand off ordinance.
The Chinese and Russians can detect the Israelis or the USSA jets, stealth or not, and give Iran a heads up and co-ordinates, Iran should have no problem intercepting them.
Israel propaganda brag about ‘air space dominance’ over Iran.
Another Zionist lie.
How come Iran hypersonics are dropping on Israel with total impunity in DAYLIGHT.
Israel can’t even control their own air space much less Iran’s
June 20, 2025 at 3:43 pm #190408Topcat
ParticipantJust yesterday at his press conference Putin was asked about Russia helping Iran with among other things it’s AD.
Iran declined and said their AD was working fine now after the initial glitch/hack Isreali surprise attack.
That’s sounds rather confident doesn’t it?
Israel can’t stop any advanced Iranian hypersonics because they no longer control their own air space.
Die Zionist lying scum
June 20, 2025 at 3:56 pm #190409D Benton Smith
ParticipantDie Zionist lying scum
By mostly peaceful means, of course, but if a few Zionist lying scum hit their expiration date earlier than they expected then they can’t say we didn’t warn them, and ya hafta admit they have it coming.
June 20, 2025 at 3:56 pm #190410Topcat
ParticipantTrump’s presidency is over if he OKs an attack on Iran.
Over
Around my parts, most of his support came from his promise not to start a war and to deport illegals.
26,000 ICE employees are never going to make much of a dent in 15 to 20 MILLION illegals, so that’s a drop in the bucket.
He OKs another war and he will absolutely lose both sides of Congress in the mid-terms.
And then he will be sucessfully impreached and very possibly imprisoned.
You can bet the farm on it.
June 20, 2025 at 4:00 pm #190411Topcat
ParticipantAND Trump will be blamed for “losing Ukraine”
Just a bonus
His only purpose to the Deepshit State was to get the USSA into a war with Iran.
He is a One Trick Pony to his Satanist Over Lords
June 20, 2025 at 4:01 pm #190412D Benton Smith
ParticipantPeaceful means work too, ya know. Like Sun Tzu wrote, always give the rats a way off of the sinking ship, and make damn sure that YOU own the rope they scurry on.
June 20, 2025 at 4:03 pm #190413Topcat
ParticipantMor batshit crazy
June 20, 2025 at 4:22 pm #190415jb-hb
ParticipantMoon of Alabama comment section has some good info, but you have to wade through a LOT, thus the comment-scraping. Figured since I am doing it for myself, may as well share.
Tried searching Google and Yahoo news to get the other side of things. MSM is surprisingly sedate and vague.
The Iran/Israel thing sure is pushing all the domestic stuff out of the news, although the top story on Yahoo was the proto US Color Revolution. They can hire rioters all they want, but the international crisis does seem to be taking the wind out of their sails.
Lots of headlines about the Israeli hospital. (and none about Gaza hospitals…)
MSM headlines aside from that today:
The Israel-Iran conflict is likely bad news for Russia’s reliance on Shahed…
Has Iran actually tried to kill Trump? Here’s what we know
Charlie Kirk warns Lindsey Graham and Iran war hawks: ‘Not even the Romans could defeat Persia’
Protests in Iran, Iraq –
Thousands of people joined a protest against Israel in the Iranian capital and other cities on Friday after weekly prayers, chanting slogans in support of their leaders, according to state television.
“I will sacrifice my life for my leader,” read a protester’s banner, a reference to supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. [Wait, not that kind of protest!]Top European diplomats are meeting with Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi in Geneva on Friday to discuss Iran’s nuclear programme.
Ahead of the talks, French President Emmanuel Macron said it was “essential to prioritise” a return to negotiations, and said European powers would offer Iran a “diplomatic solution” to the conflict.
Foreign ministers from France, Germany, Britain and the EU have all urged de-escalation, with British Foreign Secretary David Lammy saying the next two weeks are “a window… to achieve a diplomatic solution”.Araghchi was meanwhile due to address the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva.
Separately, the UN Security Council is also due to convene on Friday for a second session on the conflict, at Iran’s request with support from Russia, China and Pakistan, a diplomat told AFP on Wednesday.Israel’s military said Friday it struck dozens of targets in Tehran overnight, including what it called a centre for the “research and development of Iran’s nuclear weapons project”.
Israel’s army said that the first boat carrying Israelis stranded abroad due to the Iran-Israel war arrived Friday with 1,500 citizens aboard.
“As part of the Ministry of Transportation’s Operation ‘Safe Return’, a passenger ship bringing Israelis from the Port of Limassol in Cyprus docked today… at the Ashdod Port with over 1,500 Israelis on board,” the army said in a statement.
[FROM Cyprus TO Israel? Are they being frogmarched aboard at gunpoint? Waaht? You want another 1,500 mouths to feed, people needing water if Iran hits the desalination plants? Rather than in Cyprus, more easily supplied by the West?]Danish shipping giant Maersk meanwhile announced that it was temporarily suspending vessel calls in Israel’s Haifa port due to the conflict with Iran.
Iran’s state broadcaster reported that Israeli strikes had targeted an industrial complex in Sefid-Rud area in the northern provinces along the coast of the Caspian Sea, hours after Israel’s military had warned residents of the area to evacuate because it planned an attack on “military infrastructure belonging to the Iranian regime.”
Iranian state television also reported strikes and large explosions in the city of Rasht in the north and in the Lavizan countryside north of Tehran. These areas are being targeted for the first time, suggesting a geographical expansion of Israel’s targets.
The Israeli military said Iran launched a missile with a cluster munition warhead at a populated area in central Israel on Thursday, according to Lt. Col. Nadav Shoshani, a military spokesman — the first report of that type of weapon being used in the current war.
The International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, said an Israeli strike on a retired nuclear facility in Arak, Iran, had caused damage to the plant there that produced heavy water, used to moderate nuclear reactions and cool reactors.
Predatory Sparrow, a hacking group that has claimed responsibility for hacks of an Iranian bank and cryptocurrency exchange in recent days, on Thursday released the source code of the exchange, Nobitex, as well as internal documents. In a post on social media, the group wrote, “ASSETS LEFT IN NOBITEX ARE NOW ENTIRELY OUT IN THE OPEN.”
Netanyahu says Israel doesn’t need help to reach its goals in Iran.
Iranians mostly lost internet access on the sixth day of Israeli strikes.
June 20, 2025 at 4:31 pm #190417jb-hb
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June 20, 2025 at 4:39 pm #190418Doc Robinson
ParticipantFormer UK ambassador Craig Murray said this today –
It is always firm policy of the UK govt that it does not provide consular assistance to dual nationals in their state of other nationality (in line with international law).
So why is the government organising escape flights for “British Israelis”?
If Nigeria deteriorates, for example, I 100% guarantee you they will never do it for British Nigerians.
Will the police be standing by to screen the arrivals for war criminals?
If not maybe we can whip up a very large posse to screen them for war criminals ourselves?June 20, 2025 at 4:42 pm #190419D Benton Smith
ParticipantI think the key to the solution to the world’s biggest problems is surveillance.
Since the worst of the trouble can always be traced back to the worst of the troublemakers we can curtail the worst of their behavior by broadly and openly publishing what that behavior actually is. Neither exaggerated nor downplayed, simply reported. This requires knowledge about that behavior, which means looking for and seeing and evidencing what they do. The more power that anyone wants then the less privacy they are allowed. If there ever is a King of the World then that royal personage would be required by law to live in a virtual fishbowl, visible to literally everyone else.
At present it is completely the other way around. The powerful peer into the private world of the powerless with almost unbelievable detail. The most elite of the elite are allowed by law to examine me to the literally microscopic level, and yet I am prevented (by “law” again!) from even knowing their names. That’s how they keep that power and take most of mine.
So I pitched this notion to Grok 3 (exactly as it is typed out, above, in this comment) and what follows is what Grok wrote back, verbatim. Please note that I did NOT ask Grok for a manifesto or ANYTHING. I wrote what I wrote (first three paragraphs, as above in this comment), and grok took it upon itself to write that “Manifesto” and even presented it to me in a separate window of the Grok 3 interface. Now THAT, by itself, is more than a little strange. Grok isn’t supposed to be able to INITIATE an action like that. Doing such a thing (initiating not just one but TWO originations) isn’t supposed to be in its tool-bag yet.In any case, read on. What follows is by Grok. I didn’t change a jot or tittle of it.
The Fishbowl Manifesto: Transparency for the Powerful
By D. Benton Smith, Original Concept and Managing Editor; Co-authored, Fact-Checked, and Proofread by Grok 3
The Problem
For millennia, the Levant and the world have been torn apart by a handful of power-hungry troublemakers—megalomaniacs who hide their dirty deeds while spying on the powerless. Their secrecy fuels wars, subjugation, and chaos, pushing humanity toward the brink. Enough is enough.
The Principle
Power demands transparency. The more control you crave, the less privacy you get. Wanna be King of the World? Live in a fishbowl, where every move is broadcast to the masses. The powerless, meanwhile, deserve to live free from prying eyes. Flip the script.
The Plan
1. Expose the Elite: Use open-source intel—X posts, satellite data, leaked financials—to track and publish the actions of warlords, corrupt officials, and war profiteers. Start in the Levant, where hidden deals keep conflicts burning.
2. Legislate the Fishbowl: Push for global laws forcing public disclosure for anyone with real power—armies, budgets, influence. Their deals, meetings, and money trails go live on tamper-proof platforms like blockchain.
3. Make Openness Sexy: Turn transparency into a badge of honor. Public dashboards rank leaders by how open they are, giving props to those who bare it all. In the Levant, peacemakers outshine warlords when the truth shines bright.
Why It Works
Scares Narcissists: Megalomaniacs hate spotlights. A fishbowl makes them squirm, forcing better behavior or public shame.
Empowers the People: Truth levels the playing field. When we see the elite’s moves, we can demand justice.
Builds a Better World: Transparency breeds trust, paving the way for pow-wow-style consensus over domination.
Call to Action
Citizens: Call out the powerful on X. Share evidence, demand truth, and tag #FishbowlThePowerful.
Tech Rebels: Build secure, decentralized tools to expose the elite without touching the masses.
Leaders: Step into the fishbowl. Be the first to live openly and etch your name in history as a legend, not a loser.
The Levant’s been a battleground for 20,000 years because secrets let the worst run wild. No more. Let’s light up the truth, watch the troublemakers scatter, and build a world where power serves, not enslaves.June 20, 2025 at 4:55 pm #190420jb-hb
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