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    Henri Matisse Reading woman in violet dress 1898   • Biden Haemorrhaging Voters In All Demographics (MN) • Trump Points To ‘Cause’ Of Ukraine Con
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 22 2024]

    #161743
    tboc
    Participant

    “If we would learn what the human race really is at bottom, we need only observe it in election times.” ~ Mark Twain

    #161744
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Trump today isn’t the candidate he was in 2016 or 2020.

    Now a convicted felon and found liable for rape and financial fraud, Trump has made his plans for a second term clear: revenge.

    We cannot allow a convicted felon motivated solely by self-interest back in the White House.

    And this from a Jew? Really, the sort of Jew that corrupted the DOJ and turned the “convicted felon” business into Noddy politics, someone who destroyed the real “convicted felon” business so that he could get a few more sheckels in the bank. What sort of dumb shit is this person, thinking he can mouth off like this and the rest of us would even think he is sane? CNN is so used to dealing with dumb-as-fuck viewers that when you take a clip like this and present it to the rest of us, it is like introducing us to the padded room. Stop it, it is disturbing to think that people believe these lying Jews.

    Yet the Jews have a game afoot, they all (without exception) support the genocide and the Trump murder of the Iranian General, yet they come out playing the anti-Trump card. Unless you flushed your brain down the toilet with your last turd, you will recognise that they are playing you, they are presenting attack, then support, then attacks etc and Trump is playing the lead role. It is all bullshit and you can be sure that if Trump is elected, you may as well put Netanyahu in as POTUS.

    Trump talks about Gaza never happening if he had been POTUS; no, he would have nuked Gaza and then managed the news feed. The man is a box of contradictions; his mouth says one thing, his body does a different think, like all politicians.

    #161745
    tboc
    Participant

    “If you have no will to change it, you have no right to criticize it.” ~ Mark Twain

    #161746
    aspnaz
    Participant

    “The report also notes how Biden’s support among Black and Latino women is in free fall, calling it “especially striking.”

    It is kind of pathetic that the “leader of the free world” has to pander to a bunch of house wives, laundry attendants and street fighters in order to get elected. He has never met these women, they have never met him, yet the system demands that they decide, through their vote, whether this is the person they want to lead the country. Of course, they all know that whoever they vote for will never do what they want them to do, they will do what their owners want them to do.

    Democracy is systemic corruption, it cannot work without corruption, it is a system designed so that the politicians can blame the people when the shit hits the fan, due to the politicians ignoring the wishes of the voters and instead sucking oligarch cock.

    You got black street fighters deciding who is going to be POTUS? What sort of fucking country is this, you don’t even have a serious mechanism for chosing the leader of the country. Instead of establishing a hierarchy where the more able (and probably more amoral) people get to decide on the leader, you let some bitch with dreadlocks and a knife in her pocket decide who is the person to lead us. Get serious USA, you need a proper system of determining a POTUS, not this dumb election shite.

    #161747
    aspnaz
    Participant

    tboc said

    “If you have no will to change it, you have no right to criticize it.” ~ Mark Twain

    You are dumb if you think you can change anything, this is a nice glib statement, but it is meaningless in the real world. You can use this to criticise God, but the rest of us, get real. You cannot change anything. Your only option is to escape the shit and move to some place you feel comfortable enough to live. Your move is a vote of sorts, if you like to think of yourself as having any power.

    Having a “will to change it” is a meaningless statement. What is having a will to change something? For example, “I have a will for it not to be raining today, so I can criticise the rain”. What sort of dumb thinking is this? America is full of this sort of bullshit, it is meaningless but sounds “cool” when thrown out there. Life is way more complicated than anything Mark Twain ever said.

    #161748
    aspnaz
    Participant

    https://www.swentr.site/business/599731-habeck-li-qiang-canceled-meeting/

    German Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck, who is also the country’s minister for economic affairs and climate action

    Wow, talk about contradictory goals; he has to make the economy better while destroying the supply of energy to the economy. The Germans are so fucking stupid, but no worries, they will be nothing in a few years, people will ask about “Germany? Where is that?”. The rest of us will reply; “it was a European country where the citizens were a bunch of super-sheep, these super-sheep welcomed a bunch of black people into the country, the balck people raped their children so they ran away, now nobody knows where they live”.

    #161749
    Dr. D
    Participant

    What I did not realize, Liz Truss, interviewed for real on Lotus Eaters (Karl, UK Conservatives). That’s quite a catch! Now, what was she saying? She can prove the BoE is above all British politics, the British government, and is controlling them. That is to say, she can outline and prove the BoE specifically destroyed her and Tories, by the numbers, and how.

    …And now the British People are utterly destroying the Tories. Because, as Karl says, they’re all “Blairites”, that is to say, non-tories, fake middle managerial class, handmaidens to everything #Opposite to their platform. You know: Republicans. Link here, which is running THROUGH how from being your normal “Kinda suck, same boss” election to, like Galloway, it SUDDENLY galvanized out of superconcentrate into “It’s on!” Farage sees the poll numbers, stops being on permanent vacation, goofing off for Cheeto-head, and gets back in to the campaign overnight.

    Why? Because it would seem the British People were wasting HIS time. He needed to see THEY were serious. The People. Same as here or there’s no point. THEY have to decide they’ve had it and want change. So could be one of those times, like Brexit (which Conservative Blairites totally reversed, did 200% the opposite even) that Conservative party like the Whigs, cease to exist. Overnight. UKIP or something, suddenly takes 60%, while Labour takes 30% (their present polls). No one knows because it’s so fast, which is what you need to do to beat these guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q56DrAJWW1k

    And also from these guys, A Modest Proposal, and I had not thought: We need to invade France! Yes, France’s Democracy is in danger, there’s unrest in the streets, our ally and government is teetering there’s no alternative but to bomb them! We must invade and occupy. Who? Who cares? The U.S., Britain, NATO, whoever’s handy.

    That’s what we DO, right? So saddle up and let’s get those 2,000 bombs handy! Drop them on the Gilet Jaunes in Marsailles! We’re saving France! Viva la Revolution!

    “House Committee Forms Group To Tackle CCP’s Role In Fentanyl Crisis

    The job of Republicans is to help Democrats “Radically Transform America as we know it”. This has been known on front pages for 10 years. Three years later, (or 7 under Trump, depending where you start) they finally form a committee. Wow. Book a conference room you can talk them to death. Oh wait: nothing will be done as you’re leaving office now. And we ALREADY have that committee, with Mayorkas and the border, but also we should form like a “DEA” or something and impeach anyone who refuses to act.

    “”Everything Is Frozen”: Third-Day Of Cyberattack Leaves 15,000 Auto Dealerships Crippled

    But there’s a solution! More computers! Just like I told you. And we should definitely have every car, TV, ashing machine, and nuclear plant fully connected to the internet. That China can reach. That’ll work.

    “• Biden Haemorrhaging Voters In All Demographics (MN)

    Geez, this might be important if voting mattered. Still expect 400 Million votes. For Biden. No one will be bothered and you’ll be crazy if you ask about it.

    Raul, don’t you know they just released a report that everything on the Internets (YouTube) always leads you far Right? That’s why Elias and Acosta are appearing without you clicking on them. If you want to discuss this with Americans: don’t. I already tried, no effect. Not even that NYT headline some years ago proclaiming it…while the body of the article said the opposite.

    “..Blinken told Moscow that Ukraine would join NATO and that Washington thought it was OK to put nuclear weapons there. “So no wonder the Russians hit the roof..”

    Hey, wasn’t that AFTER they commissioned a million-dollar paper on “How to make the Russians attack us as quickly as possible?” Wot a coincidence.

    “• Trump Seeks Recusal of NY Civil Fraud Judge Who Fined Him $454 Million (ET)

    Nice, but no witnesses? Really?

    ““Bannon should not go to prison before the Supreme Court considers his forthcoming petition for certiorari,” or appeal..”

    No, the USSC takes forever and doesn’t look at everything. All every person would need to avoid prison until death is a lawyer to post a case to them. However, CONGRESS can do this, and Republicans own it, and specifically didn’t. We know they know. We know they know how. We know they discussed it. And said, “I’ve got an idea, let’s send all our allies to prison before the election so it looks like J6 was real and the Republican party are all criminals! That’ll work.”

    ““The roster of “Joe Biden’s” failures is so deep that all Mr. Trump has to do is remind the audience what they well-know adds up to an apparently deliberate effort to wreck the nation..”

    But he won’t.

    “When I see Mary Manley write “Trump has repeatedly forgotten who the current president is..”,

    We forgot who the PREVIOUS President was, because it wasn’t Trump. No one followed his orders. So who was running things?

    “The claim was first published by the New York Post on Sunday,”

    Like the other one, this “Claim” was on live video footage, worldwide, before the article was written. Are you sure you wouldn’t like to choose a different word here? One that isn’t a lie, but accurately fits the event?

    Then the White House, CBS(?) Back-edited Normandy to “Claim” Biden didn’t wander off with the Skydivers. Which we had all seen for 96 hours ‘til then. Their “Fix” was to edit it shorter so that part didn’t show. Actually, I didn’t find some of these that bad except for the behavior around them. Yes Biden has late dementia and his brain doesn’t work, however, he was just looking at a DIFFERENT sky diver outside of the pre-designated camera shot. He was NOT participating in the fake camera-reality, that was the problem.

    ““Some German politicians have since floated other “incentives” to entice Ukrainians to return home, including stripping them of welfare payments..”

    Harsh. Based. So you were PAYING Ukrainians NOT to fight for their home country, so that Germans would have to? No words, carry on, sir.

    Essentially, they don’t have time. They are “Raising, conscipting” now. Yay! …And Russia points out that isn’t 6 weeks at Paris Island, that is ZERO training. Zero. They don’t know what a “Gun” or a “Trigger” is. Nor does Ukraine (or more accurately, the West) care. Yes, that’s called a mass-murdering genocide.

    ““The only possible way to treat zelensky and his accomplices is as criminals who committed a felony under the Criminal Code of Ukraine (Article 109). The decrees they issue are illegitimate”

    Russia has pivoted from talking to the West, or Government to talking to the Ukrainian people directly as they are now open to discussion and ideas. Like UK or us at Trump, the PEOPLE need to be open to the ideas, to change, etc or you’re going nowhere. UKRAINE is finally turning, and their government is irrelevant.

    “• Hungary ‘Won’t Ride NATO War Train’ – Orban (RT)

    More importantly Hungary is taking over and Orban will have Europe in a sling for 6 months. Right on matching schedule. Ursula the Unelected will have powers shortened by this or else have to usurp nice and publicly so all Europe can see the absence of democracy. Don’t care which.

    “• British PM Threatens Teens With Sanctions For Refusing National Service (RT)

    Definitely arranged losing. What are they up to? If Tories vanish – a widespread hope – then they will be a one-party government like Saddam and the USSR. See why I had the psychic premonition of Starmer as “Lord High Chancellor”? How about that other British phrase “’Tis many a slip between cup and lip”?

    They’re hoping if they can fascism ENOUGH, then a party polling <30% becomes #1. Then never have to reverse it, get rid of all that expensive pretense they’re not an open dictatorship. So forcing all Conservative into protest voting Labour would do this. …If they wouldn’t vote Galloway/Farage/Random Footballer instead.

    And trying to note, gosh what REMARKABLE timing on all this! ALL elections, including the U.S. ADDING a few more elections for sport that weren’t slated, UK and France, while timing for the fall of Kiev, timing for that other voluntary fall in Hezbollah, Israel ceasing to exist, timing for Taiwan, timing for the Pope bringing charges that will spend months ending the Catholic Church on schedule, (the Malachy Prophesy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes right on schedule with the FINANCIAL blow up, right on schedule with the MEDICAL exposure….

    It’s almost like someone planned out “Three World Wars” a war of all against all to mental, economic, and most importantly spiritual exhaustion, wherein they can then have Aliens appear! Right on Schedule! Our Gods of Light and love, only protecting us, and if only we do everything they say (like “V”, not the Vendetta one) then our hologram Christ and peace returns on earth, fixing everything. Like Global Warming, only better.

    OMG I am so bored. So bored I’m just going to binge watch 90s sitcoms in the basement or something useful.

    Are we going to admit Daddy’s drug dealer is in the kitchen with us yet? That this is not normal and he’s not doing it himself? Wake me when you do.

    The cops are outside in a car marked “We are the Cops.” That’s how obvious this is. This is a running gag in this movie if you haven’t seen it. Matilda is the only one to see the obvious. Very, very, very, painfully, expressly, unavoidably obvious.

    #161750
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “[Biden] has never met these women,”

    Ah but he can smell them from here.

    As usual for commenters, I guess we should all give up then! That’s the sooper smart, manly thing to do. C’mon, all the kids are doing it!

    #161751
    Dr. D
    Participant

    #161752
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    “The master plan is simple.” Dr. Martin said,

    Three-quarters of the world’s population are
    unnecessary and need to be shoved off the planet

    they decided to unleash a lethal respiratory pathogen on the population
    so the population would be bamboozled into taking an mRNA shot
    which would permanently, permanently alter their human condition

    https://christine257.substack.com/p/the-master-plan-is-simple-dr-martin

    #161753
    EoinW
    Participant

    Those who predicted there would be no election in 2024 are essentially correct. The water is now so muddied with millions of illegal voters that it’s not possible to hold anything except a fake election.

    Explain to me how this doesn’t end with President Hillary Clinton? You think she’s going to sit around in retirement while another Democrat gets anointed President?

    #161754
    EoinW
    Participant

    90s tv!!!

    You need to go back to the 1950s, to Norman Rockwell’s America. That’s how you save the country!

    Who knew that the Eddie Haskells would grow up to run America? And I was expecting Ernie Bilko.

    #161756
    Oroboros
    Participant

    • Putin’s Peace Initiative Is Russia’s Fourth Proposal On Ukraine – Lavrov

    The NeoConJob Maggots have come to the end of their chain.

    Russia is done with “negotiations”

    A resolution to UkroNaziland will be dictated from the barrel of a gun and the tip of a hypersonic missile.

    It’s plain as the nose on your face

    Arming North Korea last year with the super buff Topal Intercontinental nuclear missile that can reach every square inch of Duh’merica is quite the game changer for SE Asia.

    The Duh’merican Media Maggots never told the Sheeple about that one.

    So sad :>(

    The Duh’merican Sheeple are more like mushrooms, constantly kept in the dark and continuously feed bullshit.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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    #161757
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Vote often, vote Demonrat

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    #161758
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Trail Blazer

    The Empire of Lies culture that the global majority can’t wait to experience

    No wonder the birth rate is way below replacement level.

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    #161759
    those darned kids
    Participant

    “a Jew” ~ aspnaz

    #161761
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Empire of Lies deserves it’s name

    #161762
    Oroboros
    Participant

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    #161763
    Oroboros
    Participant

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    #161764
    kultsommer
    Participant

    EoinW

    You need to go back to the 1950s, to Norman Rockwell’s America. That’s how you save the country!

    Prosperity of postwar US is the proof that elite and power brokers can let you live well if they want to, although I think that circumstances of that era can not be repeated for various reasons.

    #161765
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Distilled that list down to, the nine people that laid the ‘intellectual’ foundation for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    There are 12 Ivy League degrees among these 9 people (1 from MIT)

    8 of the 9 are Jews

    What a coincidence

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    #161767
    Dora
    Participant

    Marc Elias is a funny guy. Dan Goldman reminding everyone – over and over and over – about the NY Democrats show trials is even funnier.

    #161768
    Oroboros
    Participant

    #161769
    zerosum
    Participant

    Dummies Guide to Making Friends

    “Biden was saying all of the wrong things. Ukraine will go into NATO. OK to put nuclear weapons there.

    “Regulation, and Taxes, Tariff

    The need for reliable power

    Foreign policy. No booths on the ground.

    Ukraine would’ve never happened, the Israeli attack would’ve never happened, and inflation would’ve never happened – those are three big things,” Trump continued.

    The US into a Tower of Babel, open border policy – Paul Craig Roberts

    “An apparently deliberate effort to wreck the nation..” – James Howard Kunstler

    “… next week’s big debate between the two major party candidates — if debate is even the right description for what is more like a joint press conference conducted by one candidate’s PR firm. What does the reality-starved public think it will see? Probably anything but a fair fight.

    It’s hard to imagine what possessed “Joe Biden” to decide this was a good idea for him (unless he wasn’t the decider). Since we’re in an era of archetypal psychodrama, the event looks more like a ritual sacrifice. His recent public performances have been, shall we say, less than reassuring in both utterance and physical poise. He comes off as Captain Queeg meets Mr. Magoo. So, you have to wonder if some ancient tropism-of-the-mind steers him to certain destruction, egged on by those of his own faction who will benefit from his exit.”

    Rachel Maddow and Joy Behar rehearsed their persecution fantasies for all to see on air this week — and, of course, and as usual, it was a sheer psychological projection of what their own party has been up to for eight long years.

    • Medvedev Cites Facts Of Zelensky Usurping Power (TASS)

    In his opinion, “hiding behind a sham declaration of presidential elections cancellation, the Kiev camarilla hopes to profit from the war till the very last day and fight till the very last Ukrainian.” “The only possible way to treat zelensky and his accomplices is as criminals who committed a felony under the Criminal Code of Ukraine (Article 109). The decrees they issue are illegitimate and cannot be executed. The officials they appoint are not authorities. They are impostors and have no right to issue edicts,” Medvedev concluded.

    The Hungarian government has secured assurances from both outgoing NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and his presumed successor, Mark Rutte, that Budapest will not be dragged into a “mission” that the US-led bloc is establishing in Ukraine, the prime minister said. Hungary will not contribute troops, weapons, or money to the plan, Orban vowed.

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    #161770
    Dora
    Participant

    Rishi is a funny guy. He has two daughters. You think he’ll let them be dragooned into a UK draft? California, here he comes, right back where he started from. (Stanford)

    #161774
    Oroboros
    Participant

    In a pathologically distorted country, the last thing that is welcomed is this:

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    #161775
    aspnaz
    Participant

    those darned kids said

    “a Jew” ~ aspnaz

    You called! How can I help?

    #161776
    zerosum
    Participant

    You
    Project the social/economic/political situation in Ukraine with no electricity.
    Copilot Using the web

    Certainly! Let’s explore a hypothetical scenario where Ukraine faces a prolonged electricity outage due to a significant disruption in its energy supply. Keep in mind that this is a fictional projection, and real-world outcomes may differ. (May be worst.)

    Immediate Impact:

    Social Chaos: Without electricity, daily life would be severely affected. Communication networks, transportation systems, and essential services (hospitals, water supply, etc.) would struggle.
    Health Risks: Medical facilities relying on electricity would face critical challenges. Life-saving equipment, refrigeration for vaccines, and emergency response systems would be compromised.
    Civil Unrest: Frustration and panic could lead to protests, looting, and clashes. People might demand government action or assistance.
    Isolation: Isolated communities would suffer the most. Elderly, disabled, and vulnerable populations would struggle to survive.
    Economic Fallout:
    Business Shutdowns: Industries, offices, and retail businesses would close. Manufacturing, exports, and imports would halt.
    Job Losses: Mass unemployment due to business closures would exacerbate poverty.
    Financial Crisis: Banks, stock markets, and financial institutions would collapse. Currency devaluation and hyperinflation might occur.
    Trade Disruptions: Ukraine’s trade partners would face supply chain disruptions, affecting global markets.
    Political Turmoil:
    Government Instability: The government would struggle to maintain control. Protests, political infighting, and potential regime changes could occur.
    Foreign Relations: International aid and diplomatic relations would be strained. Neighboring countries might exploit the situation.
    Security Threats: With law enforcement weakened, criminal activity and armed groups could rise. Border security would be compromised.
    Long-Term Consequences:
    Migration: People would flee affected areas, seeking refuge elsewhere.
    Health Epidemics: Lack of sanitation, medical care, and clean water could lead to disease outbreaks.
    Education Disruption: Schools and universities would close, impacting future generations.
    Environmental Damage: Without electricity, waste management, pollution control, and environmental monitoring would suffer.
    Remember, this projection is purely speculative.
    In reality, (this projection is purely speculative. ), international aid, resilience, and adaptive measures would play a crucial role in mitigating such a crisis.

    #161777
    zerosum
    Participant

    “Freedom Convoy” refocuses


    “Freedom Convoy” refocuses
    Figures from the 2022 anti-vaccine mandate protests & Rolling Thunder motorcycle rally are back in Ottawa – with new priorities.

    #161778
    aspnaz
    Participant

    https://www.swentr.site/russia/599749-ukraine-peace-soon-second-summit/

    Igor Zhovkva, special envoy and deputy chief of staff of Vladimir Zelensky.

    I don’t know what it is, maybe the result of my school training, but when I see someone with an unbuttoned shirt, I think slob. Then I look critically at the person and, in this case, ask, “Do you think it has been off the booze for more than 10 minutes”? Ukraine really is sinking. Compare this to the tip-top presentation of Putin and you can see the difference in class of the two combatants.

    #161779
    aspnaz
    Participant

    https://www.swentr.site/africa/599706-chad-eliminates-sleeping-sickness/

    What does Bill Gates get out of this? It will be something, he does no privately fund the WHO for nothing, he is not funding it because he is a good person, because he wants to give back, so why did they do this today? I suspect that they do this shite simply to appear to the rest of the world as a serious organisation. We know their purpose is to enforce the next pandemic’s vaccination rules, to ensure that everybody gets the vax and boosts Gates’ share portfolio. Remember Gates talking about giving away vaccines, talking about open-source vaccines? What a leach, sucking off the blood of the software open-source movement.

    I shall wait and see what Gates gets from this; maybe he now gets to sell Beyond Eggs and meat slime to Chad. Maybe they will be the next to allow him to run some trials, experimenting on and killing a few Chad people. We shall see.

    #161780
    Abner Doon
    Participant

    “And this from a Jew?

    it is disturbing to think that people believe these lying Jews.

    Yet the Jews have a game afoot, they all (without exception) support the genocide”

    aspnaz
    Participant
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    Are you a bigot if you use a sweeping generalization to accuse the entirety of a group of people of what a few do?

    Yes.

    How does it make you feel?

    Have you considered the impact your beliefs have on others and on society as a whole?

    It’s important to recognize that such sweeping generalizations are not only false but also dangerous, as they contribute to prejudice, discrimination, and even violence against individuals and communities.

    It’s concerning when people make sweeping judgments about others based on their background or identity. It’s crucial to remember that every individual is unique, and blanket statements can perpetuate harmful stereotypes.

    Are you ok with “collective judgement”?

    Do you hate all of a particular kind of people?

    What’s your “group”?

    Do you identify as an individual, or as a member of your group?

    Are they all privileged, or just the ones you don’t like?

    What’s your prescription for what to do to rectify your stereotype?

    In other words, you are a racist bigot, but I must assume you know it.

    It’s a poor reflection on this site, which I have read for years.

    #161781
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @aspnaz

    Yet the Jews have a game afoot, they all (without exception) support the genocide and the Trump murder of the Iranian General,

    You adamantly assert that “They [Jews] all, without exception support the genocide.”

    Really? As is in every single one of them, with no exceptions at all? You do understand, don’t you, that words have meaning? By your statement you ARE saying that infants, small children and their nursing mothers are ALL guilty of supporting genocide?

    It’s a drag to have to keep telling you the same obvious truth over and over again, Aspnaz, but the only alternative is to just stand back and let you fuck up SERIOUSLY, without making any effort to save you from suicide, and such negligence on my part would be no favor to you or anyone else.

    I’ve said before and will say again that I am going to continue saying the truth on this forum until it throws me out, which could easily happen if dangerously insane lies like the one you just proclaimed are allowed to stand unchallenged.

    In short, you are wrong. Your PRE-judgement is blinding your ABILITY to judge. The fact is that NOT all Jews support the genocide in Gaza. Only the GUILTY ones do. And the fact is that NOT all genocidal maniacs are Jewish. Only the Jewish ones are, and the plain fact is that MOST genocidal maniacs are no more Jewish than YOU are.

    The situation reminds me of the confession you just volunteered here on TAE about how you stood back silently and did nothing when someone you claimed to be a close FRIEND foolishly decided to destroy his own life and the lives of his wife and children (who you also claim as friends) by consequence of his hidden sexual misconduct.

    You explain at some length how that friend’s attitude and behavior towards you has changed. That’s not too surprising. The man must be experiencing sheer torture in your presence. From his point of view he must see you as a potential blackmailer who holds his terrible secret over him like an unspoken threat. Now he sees you (and you see him) as a real or imagined enemy.

    Thanks for the instruction, Aspnaz. Now we have a great step-by-step illustration of how to turn a friend into an enemy, destroy the lives of an entire family, and poison their own marriage, all in one fell swoop. Brilliant.

    The way you related the story to us suggests that we all tacitly agree with your failure to confront your friend, or do anything AT ALL to protect innocent victims like his wife and kids. Why would we do that? Do you expect or want our silent consent that your cowardice was acceptable normal behavior?

    Well, you do NOT have my tacit consent, Aspnaz. Get this message clearly. I do NOT approve of you standing clear of an ugly situation while people who you claim to be friends (man, wife and children) are DESTROYED by that man’s infidelity and betrayal of himself and his whole family.

    You’re not protecting the feelings or welfare of others by “minding your own business” and enabling that man to keep his destructively shameful secret. You’re protecting your OWN tender feelings because it’s a really bad situation and a lot of feelings are going to be seriously hurt in the process of repairing it as best anyone can. You don’t think those people are worth your time and effort. Some friend you are.

    And what about your own wife? Do you suppose she would approve of your friend’s behavior, or think that YOUR complicity in it by keeping the secret was in any way okay? How, exactly, does your silence on matter so dangerous to her welfare help your wife in any way?

    That’s right. It DOESN’T. In fact it harms her, because those friends whose lives are being silently dismantled while you just stand there quietly letting it play out ARE HER FRIENDS TOO! Your wife has the duty and the RIGHT to protect the best interests of her friends and of herself. But your silence prevents her from actually doing that, because the secret you’re hiding prevents her from being able to know that a cataclysm is about to happen, a disaster that she might have prevented if you had told her it was there.

    You’re not being politely discreet by “minding your own business” regarding that man’s infidelity. You’re being a coward. Grow a pair. Be a true friend, and a good husband. Confront that friend straight to his face and demand that he clean up his life and stop betraying his whole family, who are trusting him with their security and welfare, who are DEPENDING upon him to honor his spoken promises, and unspoken duty.

    And good luck explaining away silent complicity to home wrecking to your own missus, that’s going to pretty difficult too. But if you DON’T get that done somehow then you WILL pay the price, because partnership is built (or dismantled) by honesty and trust. You can’t build genuine trust by keeping secrets from your partner, and ESPECIALLY those kinds of secrets that could have a serious impact on their lives.

    Are these harsh words? No. The are TRUE words.

    Do I expect you to follow this good advice? No. I expect you to exercise your own free will based on the best truths that you can get your hands on. My job is to give you the truth. YOUR job is to decide what to do with it.

    #161782
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    The Supreme Court reveals bias by not adjudicating a case faster than most other cases?
    Give me a break!
    Courts and hospitals are the two slowest institutions that I have ever dealt with. They both have the ability to move fast when there is a true crisis, but the rest of the time they move at a snail’s pace.
    Just because wokedom believes that preventing Trump from becoming president is a crisis situation doesn’t mean that the rest of the country — including Supreme Court justices — agrees. In fact, one of the purposes of the Supreme Court is to be able to “put the breaks” on runaway social memes that may sweep swathes of society.

    #161783
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    UK wants to obligate teen service…

    I have three teens. They have grown up with the understanding that they are obligated to complete high school, and then their life choices are up to them. Dropping new, post secondary obligations upon them suddenly is not likely to inspire much more than rebellion.

    #161784
    John Day
    Participant

    Disney Exposed? VP Admits On Hidden Camera That Company Refuses To Hire ‘White Males’ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/disney-exposed-vp-admits-hidden-camera-company-refuses-hire-white-males

    “Civil Rights”?

    #161785
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    You need to go back to the 1950s, to Norman Rockwell’s America.

    Right…to the era of McCarthyism.

    #161786
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    I think that it is nice that aspnaz is here. Otherwise, it is easy to become complacent. There are always going to be humans with ideas that I believe are wrong-headed. The real challenge is how to have a reasonably harmonious society with “liberty and justice for all” — even those that I disagree with vehemently. Even my ex husband who has tried to destroy everything positive in my life, on multiple occasions. Life would be boring without some challenges along the way.

    #161791
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @PhoenixVoice

    I like having him around, too, and voicing his opinions (some of which are astute and rational). As for the wrong-headed stuff that he’s prone to display, well, at least he’s communicating. How else could mistakes be seen and corrected if he didn’t speak up and say what he is thinking? In other words, aspnaz is just like all the rest of us, only somewhat more annoying.

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