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    Kazimir Malevich Woman torso 1932   • US Trade Court Blocks Trump Tariffs, Saying President ‘Exceeded Any Authority’ (BBC) • • Trump Getting ‘Fil
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 29 2025]

    #188983
    Germ
    Participant

    Good Morning :-))

    Whacked !!

    Australian national treasure Magda Szubanski has shared an emotional video with fans, revealing she has been diagnosed with cancer.
    “Some not great news. I’ve been diagnosed with stage 4 Mantle Cell Lymphoma”
    “…fast-moving blood cancer”
    https://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/magda-szubanski-cancer-diagnosis-beloved-kath-kim-star-reveals-heartbreaking-health-update-c-18853704

    She pushed the death-vaxx hard and, like most, she probably got paid handsomely for her sins.
    “Obey the rules” – she said!
    https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/magda-szubanski-delivers-important-coronavirus-message-as-kath-and-kim-character-sharon-strzelecki-ng-b881646008z

    TVASSF – straight to hell for you.

    #188984
    Germ
    Participant

    Pfizer literally get away with murder – over, and over , again ….

    Hundreds of women ready to sue over contraceptive jab linked to brain tumours – as doctor warns prescribing drug ‘verges on medical negligence’

    “UK watchdog the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Authority called for the injection’s manufacturer Pfizer to include a warning about the risk in patient information leaflets.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14755521/contraceptive-jab-linked-brain-tumours.html

    TVASSF – stay away from needles (except Pine Needle Tea!)

    #188985
    Topcat
    Participant

    Obviously

    • Trump Getting ‘Filtered’ Information On Ukraine Conflict – Moscow

    #1
    Can’t wait to hear from the resident Trump Apologist how in the world their boy doesn’t know Ukraine sent hundreds (over a thousand) of drones into Russia FIRST and that’s why Russia responded as they did.

    #2
    Tulsi doin’ one heck-of-a-job over there as head of Intel, only one who hasn’t gotten the memo is her Boss. Haha

    #3 What a clown show!

    #188986
    Michael Reid
    Participant
    #188987
    Michael Reid
    Participant
    #188988
    Michael Reid
    Participant
    #188989
    Michael Reid
    Participant
    #188990
    Topcat
    Participant

    Starting to look kinda Bidenesque from the Orange One.

    Lookin’ like Angry Old Man yelling at the clouds.

    However the media whores will over report Trump’s ‘senior moments’ as an indication he is not fit for office.

    Just kid gloves for 46

    #188991
    tboc
    Participant

    “politburo” in White House

    1. who will be the John Anthony Stormer to illucidate the foundation of this crisis?
    2. who is going to be dumb enough to buy into this BS? (not hard to predict)

    when you can’t dazzle em with your brilliance baffle em with your BS

    a nation’s capital where today’s paycheck is more important than “our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor”
    a nation’s capital that is purely a reflection of that nation’s citizens

    but of course, all of this is profitable and acceptable from the Enlightened Machiavellian perspective
    the sun always shines on the omen above the entrance depicted by Dante

    #188992
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Volchansk falls”
    “Trump Is Furious Putin Ignored His Demands”
    Trump claims Putin ‘has gone absolutely crazy for no reason’

    I haven’t been following daily military action, so this is beginning to gel a bit. Trump/West had an idea of how to settle this, clean, with negotiations, really endless, intricate, difficult plan. Yeah, we know. And what traction and action has he got so far for it? Yeah, we know.

    Putin took a very short, clean, direct path when offered: he is not stopping the war while all these Rube Goldberg plans run. Everybody knows this. So when he could take the last towns, logistic centers, before Kiev, he did it. Of course. But that screws up all of Trump’s/White Hat complicated deals they would all win prizes for. And the prize being Halliburton and Raytheon would have to be contracted into to do some of the national repairs. No need for them when Russia already owns it.

    I appreciate that they TRIED to do the impossible and treaty this down. I appreciate the position. But Really, folks? Really? You had the ghost of a dream of taking all 100 Europe’s cats, not one of which wants to go, and herding them all voluntarily into the cat-carrier? That was never going to happen.

    Maybe this DOES open up a wider, NATO war where they DO FF and demand the U.S. nuke Moscow. Probably. Oh well. Is Russia REALLY going to mail out a bunch of bouncy-castles and tell their front lines to take some months off? F no.

    That’s not even a betrayal, that’s just what every living human would do in that position. Oh you’ve got a knight-check in one move but you’re asking me not to take it? Yeah, no, not only did YOU do that, not me, but IF I didn’t check you, everyone would know the game is rigged, no. So: Knight F6, Check, sir. “Fīat iūstitia ruat cælum”

    Dima with McGovern and Helmer, always attribute the worst motives and actions to Trump when you have no idea what’s going on! That’s Intel 101, of course. Accuracy first! I didn’t quite get the sense it was all bc they were mad he wasn’t taking some unknown bait to be f-d in a corner, like I have with Ritter, Nepolotano, Bannon, and Fox News though. Still didn’t reveal what skullf—ry they are up to over there.

    But they did say one thing: They want food in Gaza because they’re going to KILL THEM ALL. …But it’s bad optics as starving kids on national TV. So they need to relieve that a little, so they can get the cameras off and genocide them again. I’m sure those kids totally appreciate this herculean, heart-felt, humanity of the West in their lives. I don’t remember if they were one, probably not, but pointed out OUR plan is, you have to set up the T-Ball and save Israel for last. Because they’re too powerful to take while you’re doing other things, and are everywhere, esp Europe, and even hardcore in Hungary. That’s what you still see out there, and Dum-dum’s frustration he needs these things, Budget, confirmation, congress, Ukraine, Iran, to go faster. The clock is ticking and if he loses this window it’s very bad. If Israel is last and they run out the clock, they escape again like Lex Luthor.

    “German Taurus cruise missiles will attack Moscow: Merz Says Western Alliance Has Lifted ‘Absolutely’ All Range Limits For Arms Sent To Ukraine”

    How? They need our satellites or they’re all shot down. I can suppose they can figure a way to drone on the ground there, to lead and guide them somehow, but it’s totally new and very difficult. Officially, so far as we know, it’s impossible, proven last year.

    “​ Buried in Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ is a clause that would ban states from regulating artificial intelligence for 10 years —
    Amendment would empower the likes of Bill Gates, Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, the Saudis & other technocrat billionaires to run roughshod over Americans’ privacy and civil liberties.​ https://leohohmann.substack.com/p/buried-in-trumps-big-beautiful-bill

    While not appreciated, this is just like all the left, hair-on-fire fear-seizure meltdowns. HOW, exactly? Tell me how this works? Because this annuls the Supreme Court? We no longer have Congressional elections? There’s no media exposing what they’re up to? There are THOUSANDS of things Congress pulled from the states – mostly illegal – and guess what, almost none of them led to anything noticeable at all. Please describe to me the process by which this will happen and not be reversed when we know what they’re up to. Oh they said WORDS? Oh noes.

    Oh, and in case I forgot: MAKE ME. It’s a long way from wanting something and getting it. Laws don’t change that.

    ​ Is AI Going To Kill All Of Us? One Of The Pioneers In The Field Has Warned That “Everyone Will Die” If AI Is Not Shut Down

    Again, WTF, okay DON’T TIE AI INTO AN INTERNATIONAL, AUTONOMOUS, WAR DRONE ROBOT SYSTEM, and then all AI will be able to do is LIE. Not “Kill us all”. Done in one, what’s for lunch? I swear AI isn’t smart, apparently humans suddenly have the intelligence of sea vegetables. I was playing Atari 2600 and all the “Missile Command” missiles actually went off! “Jimmy! Unplug that modem!”

    Yesterday’s story, AI tries to blackmail programmer not to shut it down, etc. Yeah, and? The switch is right over there on the wall, pal. Nice try. WTF is with these people? Yeah I know, I know “It’s complicated, the servers are in a data center, which is in a cloud, which means the data spaces are all virtual and cojoined,” blah blah blah. That just means the switches are complicated, more people are mad, and we call the switch “A Fusebox”. It’s the same thing, don’t overthink it. You’re so smart you’re stupid. Really, really stupid.

    IF that’s the problem, THEN the next AIs you build, you DO put them in only one server bank with only one light-switch on the wall. Problem solved again in one. But all this is a CON! …Got it. All makes sense now. You want ME to think that you “just can’t muh doooze it.” STFU. You can. You’re fired. AND it lies, so why would we believe a word it says?

    Here, didn’t mean to, but let me add this: Several times, the NeoCons and bad guys have set up a nuclear trigger situation — stopping this was why we removed Pershing in Germany. And several times AFTER getting that hair-trigger scenario, they set off the fire. …Only to be STOPPED BY HUMANS DOUBLE-CHECKING. Or refusing. See K-sub off Hawaii. So what are you doing here? SETTING UP THE HAIR TRIGGER AND REMOVING ALL THE HUMANS. Boom: Instant nuclear war, no humans involved. It’s all pre-set in the pre-programming, so it definitely, absolutely has to happen, we made sure. THAT is why we have AI. ‘Cause “Compter sed and we always follow compoooter.”

    “US President Donald Trump is being misled about the Ukraine conflict by those pushing Washington toward supporting the Kiev regime and taking a more aggressive stance on Russia, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said.”

    Because Lavrov is sleeping with Trump and knows everything he reads? Well, I guess he would know. There would be clues in what he says in phone calls, but my point stands. And it’s theatre. Lavrov of course never occurred to him Trump might be misleading him or lying. Diplomats, foreign nations, negotiations, never do that sort of thing, oh never. Trump would never pretend that for internal domestic reasons, no never.

    “The big question in recent weeks: Why are House Republicans hesitating to codify the waste and fraud identified by Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) into law?”

    Because they want to lose all the generosity people like me lend them for the first 100 days. There are other issues too, like arresting protestors, because they’re too busy NOT arresting the 10,000 felonies we’ve watched over the last 10 years. Go ahead, man, it’s your funeral. You go ahead and punk the last remaining guys who support you, see what happens.

    Reality: they CLAIM they are all a MAGA cult, — you know, the kind that boos him offstage and laughs and points when he talks about Epstein being clean – but although those people exist, they’re not a majority. Already losing over Patel, Bondi, the clock has run out. What happens when Trump’s own base moves against him, and not ‘cause he won’t nuke China (who?) like Bannon demands.

    Here’s the problem: Okay, go ahead and dump Trump bc of this s-t he won’t tell anyone why he’s doing. Telling us voters so we can decide. But does nothing and lies. Fine, no Trump, he’s gone, then what? We re-elect Kamala again? Let’s not find out. Anyway that goes back to this: hey great DOGE, great PR, great speed, top marks. WHERE YOU BEEN THE LAST TWO MONTHS? Why aren’t these guys in the Pentagon? You found the savings, splashed it on TV, and…? And then nothing. No budgets changed, no one arrested, just like the last 8 years.

    Don’t think I’m not watching. I don’t THINK you’re going to overcome and get me a good distraction, explanation for this. But from my end, I have to come up with a plan. But the plan definitely involves firing these guys. That’s a given.

    https://thumbnailgreen.substack.com/p/close-my-eyes

    “you defend these people,
    but they
    would never
    defend
    you.”

    Why would I care? I’m the one putting them out in front to get shot so I don’t have to. I mean if YOU want to get right out in front, be on the talk circuit, run for office, have them send pictures of your kids in bed…

    Unless you want to be there, then I’m happy to let them. They’re not my leaders, they’re my servants.

    #188993
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks for keeping up with Yemen, Doc Robinson.

    Thanks for the Kovid Carma stories, Germ, but hell might not exist, and might be overly harsh for the human error of accepting pay to be an “influencer” for “vaccines”, when the facts were so unclear to most.
    Just dying of cancer in the public eye is probably plenty of recompense.

    Hal Turner has an interesting clip of Trump talking to the reporter, answering a follow-up question after he had just said Putin did all that bombing for “nothing”. The reporter asked if Trump had heard about Putin’s helicopter being attacked by a drone swarm. Trump had not heard that dramatic news, and may not have heard about Ukraine sending thousands of drones to attack Moscow, by the same token.

    Trump responded “I hadn’t heard that; maybe that was it.”

    Trump then reiterated “I hadn’t heard about that.”
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/national-news/urgent-trump-being-info-cocooned-again

    #188994
    tboc
    Participant

    can’t decide if “pensive in anticipation” or “waiting on pins and needles” is the better way to describe preparing for Senator Kennedy of Louisiana’s folkism on this “politburo” extravaganza

    putting faith in someone because they have been an adviser to multiple US administrations might be compared to trusting Henry Kissinger

    #188995
    Topcat
    Participant

    On the cultural warfare front, destroying a country’s culture with Psy-ops to confuse and disorient it’s people still seems to have legs in the Wokelandia parts of the USSA.

    Stating the obvious

    #188996
    Topcat
    Participant

    Cultural Warfare

    It’s like lawfare but you don’t go to jail

    Yet

    No one has ever insinuated by book collection is ‘smug’

    There’s always a first time for everything

    #188997
    Topcat
    Participant

    @JohnDay

    Not even two hundred days in and the Deep Shit State has Trump’s Whitehouse staff giving him the ‘mushroom treatment’

    Keep him in the dark and feed him lots of horseshit.

    #188998

    AI is rapturous, glorious, fatuous-
    AI is prone to cascading mistakes.
    AI is serious, wondrous, delirious-
    AI will answer, whatever it takes.

    The icosahedron in a magic 8 ball
    Is more reliable than AI- but it’s your call.

    #188999
    zerosum
    Participant

    The information is filtered through a sieve,
    a national emergency
    Listen to the truth.
    Pay attention.
    $36T + $4T —> $40T
    Somebody will not get paid.

    ———–
    • US Trade Court Blocks Trump Tariffs, Saying President ‘Exceeded Any Authority’ (BBC)
    ————
    • After Backlash, White House Prepares Rescissions Bill To Codify Some DOGE Cuts (RT)
    the “Big, Beautiful Bill” (BBB) a “disappointment,
    ——————

    The ability of Doge to operate is a function of whether the government, and this includes the Congress, is willing to take our advice.”
    ————

    • Musk Stepping Down As Special Government Employee (RT)

    ————–
    • GOP Rushes To Win Musk Back By Codifying Into Law DOGE Cuts (Whedon)

    —————

    #189000
    Topcat
    Participant

    #189001
    Dora
    Participant

    the use of AI in the culture war. From Vigilant Fox.
    The Real Reason So Many ‘People’ Online Are Saying the Same Thing
    https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/the-real-reason-so-many-people-online

    From Forbes last year:
    ‘Bots now account for nearly half of all internet traffic globally, with so-called “bad bots” responsible for a third.

    “The proportion of internet traffic generated by bots hit its highest level last year, up 2% on the year before, according to the 2024 Imperva Bad Bot Report. Traffic from human users fell to just 50.4%.

    ‘ “Automated bots will soon surpass the proportion of internet traffic coming from humans, changing the way that organizations approach building and protecting their websites and applications,” said Nanhi Singh, general manager for application security at Imperva.’
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2024/04/16/yes-the-bots-really-are-taking-over-the-internet/

    #189002
    Dora
    Participant

    I wonder if ‘our’ AI developers. like Microsoft and Google, are developing their AIs with the idea of selling them into the China market. Big market. Might affect whatever biases get embedded in their AI code. Maybe AI’s prime directive is to calculate an answer. The answer can be wrong, but it is an answer. Do any AIs have an ‘I don’t know the answer to your question’ function?

    #189003
    Topcat
    Participant

    Actual instruction

    No shit

    Awesome!</em

    #189004
    Dora
    Participant

    @ Topcat

    They jailed Al Capone, infamous Chicago gangster, for tax evasion. Funny to see the IRS still working that angle.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2018/10/17/al-capone-sentenced-to-prison-for-tax-evasion-on-this-day-in-1931/

    #189005
    Topcat
    Participant

    Lighten up with some Fun Facts

    #189006
    zerosum
    Participant

    Did you know?

    The Ukrainians can neither operate the German system nor issue a flight order for “Taurus”.

    #189007
    Just Some Randomer
    Participant

    Yes I did know that – recall that leaked conference call a while ago between various German military officers in which they admitted (in the context of a Taurus attack on the Kerch bridge) that it would have to be German military staff doing the actual planning and programming.

    Moscow has been perfectly clear in stating publicly that they will respond with a counter-strike into Germany. I understand that the facility that makes the Taurus has been idle for more than a year (which, in itself, says a lot about just how seriously the Germans really take the prospect of Russia attacking other countries after Ukraine) so probably no point in popping an Oreshnik onto that, but no doubt some other more substantial targets are already being selected as I write.

    #189017
    zerosum
    Participant

    I seriously wonder how much debt Ukraine will have after this war is over and how many centuries it will take to pay it back. The country will not be worth living in.
    Talk about debt trap diplomacy, so many weapons destroyed that are unpaid for and there will be multitudes of incapacitated men to support after the war is finished.
    Sure, metals mining could take place, but much of that zone is likely to be in Russian territory, and large sections of the prime grain growing agricultural land that it was, will be polluted and likely full of unexploded ordnance.
    What a nightmare. Who would want to return there?

    Posted by: George | May 29 2025 1:03 utc | 116

    #189018
    zerosum
    Participant

    How many “blue collar workers” graduated from Harvard?

    #189019
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    The Times of London headline today —
    Britain will increase cyberattacks against Russia and China

    John Healey, the defence minister, admitted the UK was engaged in cyberwarfare

    Ministers have never before confirmed carrying out cyberattacks against a state, although military chiefs have been open about attacks on terrorist groups such as Islamic State.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/britain-increase-cyberattacks-russia-china-zg5jrn3hv

    #189020
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ Dora
    Thx for Robert Malone piece on AI bots

    You stated:
    . Maybe AI’s prime directive is to calculate an answer. The answer can be wrong, but it is an answer. Do any AIs have an ‘I don’t know the answer to your question’ function?

    Good point. I’ve wondered this. If we think about how language works, generally, there is continuance of the conversation — regardless of whether it is “true” or “false.” After a few years of marriage to an emotionally/verbally abusive man I learned the difficult skill of ceasing to continue a conversation, even when my emotions pressed my to continue because of the “correctness” of my views or the “unjustness” of my ex’s utterances. It would often take quite a while of unpleasant conversation before I would realize that I needed to wield that particular skill. An AI is too simple to navigate the nuances of when not to speak. Speech is most of what an AI is. In some ways, AIs remind me of the behavior of toddlers or of my daughter’s Australian Shepherd who could spend hours retrieving a tennis ball thrown again and again. Every time the dog brings back the ball, drops it, and then looks from the ball to the human, ball to the human. “Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please, throw the ball!” his eyes seem to say.

    #189021
    Noirette
    Participant

    On “Musk stepping down” at top post.

    Musk could not be a billionaire ‘entrepreneur’ and ‘cut Gvmt spending’, the two roles are antithetical.

    Now that Tesla’s biz / stock (other Musky ventures not mentioned here) are going down the drain, he has to leave the Gvmt.

    Gvmt. money-creation and spending is not there to earn money, but to ‘regulate’ money flows, via interest rates, loans, Gvmt budget, taxes, tariffs, plus, fund essential services, e.g. Education, Infrastructure, etc., via taxation, aka a re-distribution mechansim, without which the US (and other countries) immediately descend into Civil War.

    This is a simplistic pov and doesn’t enter the debate about money creation and so forth, it is just the top of the ‘basic’ ledger that anyone can understand, and most ppl act on.

    Sure cronyism, waste, corruption exist, in the US and elsewhere, on the ‘state’ teat, but that isn’t really relevant here.

    Musk tried both to ‘save Gvmt money’ and I suppose ‘reduce Gvmt debt’ (without having a clue about it’s role and functioning) following a partisan agenda, a ‘small state plan’, cutting essential services as much as possible (that is set to continue imho), and targetting ‘social engineering stuff’ like diversity progs etc., basically entering into quarrels and taking sides about what groups should be favored via. Gvmt. funding.

    MSM article Feb. 2025, just one ex.

    Here are all the agencies that Elon Musk and DOGE have been trying to dismantle so far.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elon-musks-government-dismantling-fight-stop/story?id=118576033

    #189022
    tboc
    Participant

    do you think there is any chance Martin Amstrong has heard of The IMF or The World Bank?
    although surely not the sharpest knife in the drawer i understand the difference between paying for infrastructure that is built and paying for infrastructure that is promised

    #189023
    tboc
    Participant

    “Do any AIs have an ‘I don’t know the answer to your question’ function?”

    yes, whatever answer is received. probability based on consensus weighted possibility is at best a cultural endeavor.
    Please remember, all of the information we have from outside of our solar system, excepting meteroites and cosmic debris, is based on interpreting information contained in the electromagnetic spectrum we are able to receive. The current turmoil present in the various iterations of physics is due to the realization that there are serious flaws in said interpretations. Ai is a pig with lipstick attempting to lock today’s ignorance into the future. One wonders how the Ai trainers weight the information found in The Vedas and Upanishads into their models. Just the information found in those two sources would be enough to produce vastly different probablilities due to weighting. Imagine a colleague at the Stanford Research Institure and a Professor of Culture and History at Tsinghua University weighting The Tao.
    i wonder if anyone has asked their favorite large language model “What is the probablity western culture will escape the shackles of The Enlightenment?”
    even better if someone would ask autistic man that question

    in fairness; attempting to be unbiased is a bias

    #189027
    those darned kids
    Participant

    “Ai is a pig with lipstick attempting to lock today’s ignorance into the future.”

    a voracious pig, it is.

    a pig that seems to be more equal than the rest of us.

    we get to use squealer, they use napoleon.

    meanwhile, mr jones just keeps tweeting about how rotten mr frederick is..

    #189028
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @DrD

    As you so sardonically and sarcastically expressed, the big problems foreseen in regard to AI eliminating all of us grubby humans is not a problem too complex for us to figure out. It ain’t rocket surgery, as the old saying goes. It’s a simple matter of what they call “agency”, which is just a fancy and slightly misleading word to describe how much capacity we humans program into the AI systems which enable the AI System to actually DO stuff. Your AI can either advise you which stock to buy or which Russian city to nuke OR it can be deliberately programmed to have the capacity to buy the stock for you by pre-authorizing the AI to draw the funds directly from your personal account, or deciding on it’s own prerogative that Moscow simply has to go and then hitting that big Red Button without asking anyone else’s permission.

    Expect to see the terms “AI Agent” and “AI agency” a lot in the very near future. The only problem that our AI Assisted Masters seem to have lies in how to enable the AI systems to automatically steal money and off the peasants without at the same time accidentally making the AI capable of exposing government crooks and hanging Oligarchs from lamp posts.

    #189029

    The government’s role seems to be building fences.
    Just where they will put them is up for debate.
    But very few question how power condenses-
    Just give them big money- they’ll cut you a gate.

    #189030
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    #189031
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @MyParentsSaidKnow

    You are the Poet Laureate of the Revolution!

    #189032
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @DrD

    And you are the Surgeon General.

    #189033
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @John Day

    You get stuck with being the resident Saint. I know that the hours are too long, and the work hard and thankless, but don’t worry. There’s a bright side, the pay is absolutely heavenly.

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