(No) Debt Rattle October 14 2025
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October 19, 2025 at 5:08 pm #197623
phoenixvoice
ParticipantRe Kimo
I agree. The site appears fully functional. Problematic WordPress sites don’t typically have comments working this well. Except for one thing — the comment html tag buttons are missing today. Something *is* up. It is possible that the RIM’s news each day is using a specific plugin that is malfunctioning. And it is very likely that RIM is doing poorly.
Regarding reforming TAE elsewhere — this could be done. One very important aspect is that we have uncensored and unproctored comments. Yes, sometimes there is rudeness, mocking, trolling, name-calling, over-sharing, etc. — but in a world of AI and propaganda, TAE is deliciously <i>real<i\>. (Let’s see if manually placed HTML tags still work.)
October 19, 2025 at 6:36 pm #197624zerosum
Participant@ phoenixvoice
Can someone help by Starting a new Debt Rattle for sharing the news?
October 19, 2025 at 6:51 pm #197625Dr D Rich
ParticipantThis format is working just fine although overrun by miker and Day, but that’s par .
AnyhowFile the following under Channeling His Inner D ünd dbs…carrying the water in the face of books and history.
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I have never seen a Jew using a car as a weapon designed to kill and maim. I have never seen a Jew blowing themselves up hoping to take tens or hundreds of people to their deaths. I have never seen a Jew commit a terrorist atrocity. I have never seen a Jew try and replace Christianity as the default religion of the United Kingdom. Jews are not the problem. Islam is. Wake up.
October 19, 2025 at 7:04 pm #197626kultsommer
ParticipantCan someone help by Starting a new Debt Rattle for sharing the news?
That’s commonly called plagiarism. Atop of not asking RIM for permission!?
Site is stack for time being or indefinitely on November 14 date and accepts comments flawlessly as long as there are tabs available that is. Miss the new art at the top of a new day posting.
Hope that RIM is fine and that TAE will bounce back in its original form.October 19, 2025 at 7:17 pm #197627zerosum
ParticipantMaybe, kultsommer, can become the new helper for RIM?
October 19, 2025 at 7:53 pm #197628October 19, 2025 at 8:03 pm #197629kultsommer
ParticipantMaybe, kultsommer, can become the new helper for RIM?
On what basis?
I write short texts, sometimes misspelled and and occasionally with questionable syntax when my native sentence structuring prevails for a moment.
Better think over what I wrote and stop inspiring self promoters to feed on ” hopefully-not-dead-carcass-of -TAE”.October 19, 2025 at 8:50 pm #197630Kimo
Participant@phoenixvoice
You make some great points. It seems unlikely, but if there is a windows server somewhere all the way, it’s quite possible there’s been an upgrade this month to 22, which could easily leave a lot of rough edges that admins may still be discovering.October 19, 2025 at 10:23 pm #197631Celticbiker
Participantjews are the root of all Evil. Even if it’s subliminal, everyone understands this now, thanks to a couple hundred thousand dead Palestinians, who showed the world the face and mindset of the Demon.
October 19, 2025 at 10:37 pm #197632those darned kids
Participanti reloaded the page for that?
October 19, 2025 at 10:52 pm #197633zerosum
ParticipantPost war Ukraine. Bite the hand that feed it.
NATO will need to use article 5 to protect itself from the remnants of the Ukraine military roaming Europe. as it searches for food and housing.
I seem to remember this happening in Africa – Following the fall of Syria’s Assad regime
October 19, 2025 at 11:03 pm #197634zerosum
ParticipantPutin offers to End the war. (End of NATO)
The Washington Post reported on October 18 that in a conversation with Donald Trump, Putin demanded that Ukraine give Russia full control over the Donetsk region as a condition for ending the war. In return, Putin was allegedly ready to withdraw troops from the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions.https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/backpedaling-putin-hints-to-trump-at-possible-1760831369.html
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October 20, 2025 at 1:09 am #197635John Day
ParticipantTAE is now a “bulletin board” in comments. I suspect RIM is unwell, maybe hospitalized.
He does not respond to email.
I have asked a mutual friend in Athens for any possible news.October 20, 2025 at 1:10 am #197636my parents said know
ParticipantIt’s not what kids might see on their phones. It’s what they won’t see all around them.
October 20, 2025 at 1:11 am #197637phoenixvoice
ParticipantOften, the WordPress admin panel is inaccessible but the front-side of the website is fine.
October 20, 2025 at 1:11 am #197638phoenixvoice
ParticipantTy John Day.
October 20, 2025 at 2:39 am #197639October 20, 2025 at 5:02 am #197640WES
ParticipantTAE:
I personally lean towards RIM being unwell.
When you are ill, all your energy goes towards trying to become well.
During such illness, there is simple no surplus energy available to continue working.
Until we know more, I intend to continue commenting as before.
Wishing RIM a full recovery to good health.
October 20, 2025 at 5:21 am #197641D Benton Smith
ParticipantI think you’re right and I want Raul to get well soon too.
October 20, 2025 at 5:48 am #197643WES
ParticipantSilver:
Looks like London has told the India government to restrict the importation of silver, to help London try and escape their short squeeze.
Nothing like shutting off some unimportant (to London) third world customers.
London bankers have done the same dirty trick in India before with gold too, less people forget!
Excellent example of your “free” markets in action!
October 20, 2025 at 7:52 am #197644Dr D Rich
ParticipantVia The Nutjobs called TCTH
Let me try their technique firstly on the DBS
‘Hey DBS, I possess the optometrists sense that I “doesn’t” trust the DBS intelligence!!….on projection and its many forms, plagiarism being an acquisitive type of projective identification ”
There
Did it work?Sundance
*****’With this backdrop for reference, surely now we can have an optimistic sense that President Trump doesn’t trust the CIA intelligence on the Russia-Ukraine conflict.*****
*****What they are describing is EXACTLY why we outlined how ‘outside govt’ emissaries were/are vitally necessary to work around the control agenda of the U.S. Intelligence Community. This small example is stunning in magnitude when considered around the importance of the moment.****
Gov’t Witkoffisms working around Folk that work in government.
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IsmOctober 20, 2025 at 9:48 am #197645WES
ParticipantDaylight Savings Time:
Has Trump forgotten his promise about Daylight Savings Time?
We need to keep our evenings great!
October 20, 2025 at 1:23 pm #197651D Benton Smith
Participant@DrD_Rich
Via The Nutjobs called TCTH
Let me try their technique firstly on the DBS
‘Hey DBS, I possess the optometrists sense that I “doesn’t” trust the DBS intelligence!!….on projection and its many forms, plagiarism being an acquisitive type of projective identification ”
There
Did it work?Okay D_Rich, it’s a slow day so I’ll bite and attempt to reply to your typically enigmatic and almost indecipherable challenge, but FIRST I’m going to lay down a few ground rules. The FIRST ground rule is that you state your attempted insult in terms that can be understood in the first place, which you have not yet done. For example, who the living fuck is this “TCTH” that you mention? For a second example, what does your convoluted mystery phrase, ” … I possess the optometrists sense that I “doesn’t” trust the DBS intelligence!!…” even MEAN in the English language? How the hell can I (or anyone) answer your question if it’s written in an obscure dialect of archaic Martian?.
So, if you want to argue or just throw stones you’re going to have to stop being such a lazy ass and take the time and effort that it takes to express yourself in terms that your intended target. I have to suppose that the intended victim of your criticism is me in this case, since you call me out by name, and like I said earlier it’s a slow day on the fading-away platform of TAE, so I’m somewhat willing to play. But FIRST you must speak the common tongue, namely just plain old English.
Thank you for listening, and let me add that I TOTALLY expect you to ignore the ground rules and go on spouting mean spirited and impossibly obscure gibberish, as we have all cone to expect from your seat in the peanut gallery.
October 20, 2025 at 2:30 pm #197652zerosum
ParticipantPeace according to Israel.
Bodies of 19 people still buried in the rubble caused by Israel.
Israel has not stopped the killing in Gaza.
Israel still controlling the amount of miseries imposed in Gaza.
Impunity.October 20, 2025 at 2:50 pm #197653kultsommer
ParticipantThey are not even ashamed of this and that the entire world loathe them by now. As if it is some psycho-masochist “proof” of “what they have always known – being hated just because they are Jews”.
October 20, 2025 at 4:06 pm #197654D Benton Smith
ParticipantPeople who are too lazy or disinterested to do the work of finding and understanding the historical record, or who have ulterior motives which would be catastrophically embarrassing if history were known and understood by enough people, will never understand that what’s being done in Gaza (and to the rest of world wherever possible) is nothing new and also not all that hard to understand.
George Carlin said it all when he informed the audience that there is a big club causing all of the trouble (with OUR unwitting assistance), and we ain’t in it.
The elites in Israel and the West today are the same elite club that owned and operated the blood soaked (and I do mean blood SOAKED) “temple” two thousand years ago (when Jesus informed them that their truly heinous sins were not escaping the disapproving attention of God Himself, which was a message that the club decided to censor with extreme prejudice. Rome, Babylon/Persia, Egypt and Israel leadership did then, and still does, have FAR more shared interests and purposes in common with each other than any of those groups of elite Power Mongers had (then or now) in common with the vast sweeping population of mere PEOPLE who they rob, enslave and harvest on a regular basis as their sole means of staying wealthy, powerful, immune from correction, and “elite” (so-called) in the first place.
Hidden (well hidden, I should add) within the official editions of the Torah and Bible (and many other religious “scripture” as well) is a HISTORY, (as written by the victors, I should add) that rather clearly reveals just what that “Club” has really been up to. And yet, hidden within those same and many other textual accounts as well is the TRUE history of what the legitimately Holy people and prophets and saints and whatnot were trying to convey before the scribes and Company Owned “historians” got their filthy hands on it.
The Club grabs control of everything that might otherwise do a lot of good (like fair laws, justice and Love of God and their fellow humans) because it’s those VALUABLE things that folks are willing to work and pay for. That’s why the fake Jews in Israel (atheistic Zionist European Kazarian Bankers with as much “Semitic” heritage or belief in God as Gladstone Gander.)
The Club uses it’s enslaved, deliberately ignorant or voluntarily corrupted populations (I reckon that’s roughly 90% of TOTAL population) to compete for top position with other branches of the Club. After the blood dries and the smoke clears they then write the “history” of it to hide the truth as cleverly as they can, and since they have all the guns and cash that clever bullshit is pretty damned clever.
Not clever enough to fool you if you weren’t so damned lazy and addicted, of course, but that’s a moot point because the genpop IS that lazy, willfully ignorant and addicted to money, comfort and convenience.
Ah, well. You get what you pay for, and THEN you pay the piper.
October 20, 2025 at 6:54 pm #197655phoenixvoice
ParticipantI walked to the grocery store yesterday. The sky was beautiful, blue, and clear in every direction. Usually, it takes a big rainstorm or wind storm to clean the sky. But— no rain in days and no significant wind yesterday. How could it be?
Then it hit me: much of the federal government is shut down!
Way overhead I saw a tiny jet traversing a bit of sky. Its contrails extended what appeared to be about an inch and a half and then dissipated to nothingness. Yes, that is what I saw when I was young.
Anyone else in the US noticing this? It is a lovely silver lining from the federal government shut down. If it extends to November, SNAP and federal EBT payments will not be made. Already, the local food bank does not have the “emergency food boxes” to hand out, as that is a federal program.
October 20, 2025 at 8:02 pm #197656John Day
Participant@Phoenixvoice: Interesting no-chemtrail-during-federal-shutdown observation.
I will track that here in Austin.
Went outfront and out back; turned around gazing skyward…
No chemtrails now, but some of that wispy white light cloud stuff that could be just very light thin cloud at altitude, of aluminum oxide spread out from sometime earlier today. Hard to tell. No striaght lines flaring wisps off into the wind..October 20, 2025 at 8:08 pm #197657zerosum
ParticipantCopiiot:
The cost of 25 Patriot missile batteries is estimated at $46 billion USD, based on Ukraine’s recent procurement plan. Here’s how that breaks down:Estimated Cost Breakdown
– Total deal: ~$46 billion for 25 batteries
– Per battery: Roughly $1.84 billion each
– This includes:
– Radar systems
– Command and control units
– Launchers
– PAC-3 interceptor missiles
– Training, maintenance, and logisticsProduction Constraints
– Delivery could take up to 10–12 years due to global production bottlenecks and existing order queuesOppps
US must steal the Russian money to get paid $$46 billion. .October 20, 2025 at 9:21 pm #197658Celticbiker
ParticipantStill chemtrailing here, hard and heavy, dosing the populated areas with godknowswhat for whatever horrors they have in store for the West. These are no longer governments, just liars, thieves and murderers, like the jews they work for.
October 20, 2025 at 9:21 pm #197659Celticbiker
ParticipantStill chemtrailing here, hard and heavy, dosing the populated areas with godknowswhat for whatever horrors they have in store for the West. These are no longer governments, just liars, thieves and murderers, like the jews they work for.
October 20, 2025 at 10:49 pm #197660zerosum
ParticipantSomething is not adding up.
You are the chosen one
You Got Survival Advantages.
Others don’t have your Survival Advantages,
Why are they still here?October 21, 2025 at 1:37 am #197661zerosum
ParticipantAre you alone?
October 21, 2025 at 11:13 am #197662Dr. D
ParticipantThings I’ve learned from TAE: There is a guy called “Miker” somewhere. And someday we’ll know who he is.
Chemtrails stopped here some years ago. I heard other ppl say they were without pause in the PNW. That in itself is interesting.
October 21, 2025 at 11:14 am #197663Dr. D
ParticipantLooks like yesterday’s didn’t post, this happens sometimes and may not be related to the other programming.
Wait: they literally robbed the Crown Jewels? And this is not real news? I hope everyone has an alibi as there’s no way it’s not an inside job.
Not following a lot. Right now everyone is psychically holding their breath waiting for something. There’s less to say since everything is exactly as expected: Russia takes 12 new towns, Europe pretends they didn’t. Israel and Gaza continue fighting without a pause, as everyone expected. The negotiations, like Alaska, are all economic, not political, as they said Ukr was sub 20% of the talk. The news pretends it’s 99%. The commercial arrangements slowly squeeze out the bankers and the managerial state, but they don’t break and are not routed, but must be dug up, one painful root and court case at a time.
What’s to say by the Law of Nothing Ever Happens?
I’ll point out that as they are moving a LOT of wheels, many in a new direction, the Admin appears to be making a lot of careless unforced errors. But I can’t track them all, as 90% of the accusations on them are lies, and I can’t act upon the 10% that aren’t, either. Just note and report them.
The overall discussion is so retarded I can hardly read it. Neither side has the faintest idea what the other side thinks or why, what legal basis they are operating under, and it’s all emotion-words and no facts or details. As teh Right no longer is forced to watch CNN, they are pretty quickly unaware of the Left, but by contrast, the Left are on another planet having NO idea, really astonishing, implausible, sci-fi reality conceptions about what the Right is and thinks. But from one side + barely, we’ve drifted into both sides having no idea about the other. That may be worse, it only would be mitigated if either had a vision for what they want to have happen for the future. But my even READING it is slowly becoming pointless in this condition.
This is made worse as if you engage with either side, they reject all things that weren’t on TV for whatever micro-slice they happen to click on, and trying to re-connect with plausibility and common sense just annoys the pig. There seem to be no consequences, so there is no more common sense, much less common experience. It’s madness all the way down. “Hell is the absence of reason”. We’re quite there, and now you understand why the kinetic reality of bullets is generally required to sort them out of their fugue state.
Stopping an extra here, First Principles: All things are priced against BONDS. And the core bond, the UST. Right? No dispute there. So if we can get free risk-free money, why would I add risk in stocks? It’s a “Risk Plus” item.
But how are the bonds set? They just say. That’s it. That’s the Central Bank system. …Or not quite. London for example controls the world by BENDING rates. They lean this way, that, direct nations, front run commodities, and things much more complex and illegal. But it’s all price fixing.
And baselined to Bonds.
But what controls Bonds? A: Gold. That is the Risk-free of risk-free. And if we all remember, Summers and Rubin figured out how to PRICE-FIX BONDS, UST’s by leasing gold out. (Chinese gold, we hear) and break the thermometer to buy off the bond vigilantes (in 1996). So the biggest market in the world is bonds, UST’s and what is the neck that turns the head? Gold. And no one talks about it.
So what happens if gold…escapes, let’s say?
In theory one result COULD be for bonds to become a far more free market, with far closer price discovery.
Step by step, uninstalling each system that was installed over the last 100 years to break it. Just like in Russia.
TAE offline,
October 21, 2025 at 11:36 am #197664John Day
ParticipantI have not heard back from my friend in Athens about Ilargi yet.
I sent her one of the Palesting flag t-shirts I had made. She wears it out a lot.
If you see one in Athens, flag front & back, it’s Eleni.October 21, 2025 at 11:40 am #197665John Day
ParticipantSilver got taken down hard in London when trading opened this morning, but it promptly bounced back up over $50/oz https://www.kitco.com/charts/silver
Gold got taken down about $80/oz in London, and did not bounce right back up, but it’s still around $4250/oz. https://www.kitco.com/charts/gold
October 21, 2025 at 11:44 am #197666John Day
ParticipantThis is better:
Pirro Busts Two Adult ‘Big Balls’ Attackers After Judge Lets Teens Off Easy https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pirro-busts-two-adult-big-balls-attackers-after-judge-lets-teens-easyOctober 21, 2025 at 12:08 pm #197667those darned kids
Participant” Israel and Gaza continue fighting without a pause, as everyone expected. ”
this is nonsense.
anything else you write below that statement is immediately reject solely on the gravity of the above falsehood.
israel continues to invade, loot, rape and murder without a pause, as everyone [except you, it seems] expected.
October 21, 2025 at 12:16 pm #197668Dr. D
Participant“Was The CIA Misleading Witkoff & Kushner On Key Intel About Hamas During Critical Phase Of Peace-Talks
The CIA intelligence was the exact opposite of reality…”It’s the CIA, so: yes. And they were picking on Trump for ignoring Intel briefings. Channeling Twain, “If you don’t go you’ll be uninformed, but if you do go you’ll be catastrophically MIS-informed…and start WWIII.” Obviously, the press and CIA are inconsolable he doesn’t go and start WWIII, and say so daily.
“They have entered an arc of collapse, largely due to their own stupendously bad choices, and their leadership is insane. Macron, Merz, Starmer. . . these are the Three Stooges of our time” – Kunstler
There are just as many smart, capable people as ever. Look at WWII: they HAD a Churchill, for years, who wrote epic, rambling, age-defining tomes at 20yo, and locked him out on purpose in favor of Chamberlain and Socialists. Then, Lo! A miracle happened! They suddenly needed to reverse course and forced him IN to office, to save their bacon, then the second it was over:
Lo! Another Miracle Happened! And they forced him back out and restored Socialism again. …All on accident, of course.
So it’s not that the leaders are the Three Stooges — although they make the Stooges look like Einstein – it’s that the REAL power won’t let any of the THOUSANDS of smart, capable, reality-based people anywhere near the control room…and everybody knows it.
Okay, WHY? Do they just like losing? No: this is “Disaster Capitalism” they are looting and burning the casino. Duh. It’s on purpose. Duh. It’s not an accident, duh, when they get up every day to the same objections and threads of lamposts and do it again. This is how their Extractive, Feudalistic capitalism – branded as Socialism – works. They are parasites, they need a host to devour.
And in this case, the pirates – who, being pirates, can’t fix the ship – are running around the world trying to pirate a NEW ship. Because this is their life cycle. China? No. Locked. Dubai? No. Russia? No. Israel? No. Ukraine? No. Venezuela, Argentina? No. So their Alien-Insect life cycle DEPENDS on forming a new chrysalis here and moving HQ to the new financial center: Spain to Holland, Holland to England, London to NY, and so on.
The humans have figured this out and are stopping them, and they’re thrashing around like “The Thing”. Knowing, if they go down while still IN a country – like England – they will be crushed and badly wounded. Not dead maybe, but injured enough they COULD be killed, while otherwise immortal. But that nations – like China, primarily – baited them in, took all the prep time, then cut them off. Good.
“Mr. Trump surely realizes he has to cut the US loose from this evil clown-show.”
https://www.kunstler.com/p/slouching-towards-peaceYes. And to quote Krainer, who has been developing more solid, eloquent ways, Trump “Just says” whatever the audience in front of him wants. That’s the secret. It’s just show biz. Then the media tries to put it all together, all the contradictions, and gets confused. It’s VERY SIMPLE. It’s the f-g Inaugural Address! He TOLD you and watch his actions, his direction, it never wavers. It’s complex but Krainer and Luongo have several interviews a week to explain it to you. He says whatever he has to to get people off his back so he and work.
And why not? He spent the whole first term trying to actually communicate, but the media wouldn’t let a single word through, and none of the other side were listening and converted. We already ran that test, good and long. So screw it, whatever is “reported” doesn’t matter a bit. That’s even when they’re NOT lying, which is 90% of the time. He’s busy. I’d do the same thing, except possibly years sooner. You’ll look back and it’ll all suddenly be obvious, you’ll be mad you didn’t get it then, so determined to not understand and not admit facts because of a peevish vendetta against what is essentially ordinary reality.
Today’s example, as there are five new ones daily? The Tomahawk missile flip. Totally expected by me, but absolutely EVERYONE said “It’s a done deal” with perfect certainty, for an entire WEEK.
“Hence, Mr. Trump’s dilemma: how to dissociate from this losing proposition and come out looking like a winner, saving Europe from becoming a smoldering ashtray,”
By blaming Europe, obviously. He is, and they deserve it so it’s hard to dodge.
“Trump builds classic arch. Obama builds “concrete porta potty”…
I don’t want either one built. How about we feed some people?
Gold up and down $80/day. That is its new permitted range. Silver follows. It was $20 for years, so proportionally it may be about the same as when gold was $500, actually less.
BTC is likewise playing around, but its break point is Waaaaaaaay down, like $9,500. It’s solidly remains in uptrend still. As we’re breaking world finance in WWIII, anything is possible tho.
Similar with Nostradamus guru John Hogue, why I don’t listen to anybody anymore. Here he has the option to talk about field weaponry, which he knows well, repeat many 2nd-level prophesies which is his field of expertise, and they spend an hour opining on the internal, emotional state of Trump, and how he actually has serious dementia, precisely how fast it will progress, and what that will mean with ONE data point (his sister) and “You can’t actually tell yet”. But even though you can’t point at anything Trump has done and no one can tell yet, we ALSO know exactly what it is, that it’s happening, and how fast.
Do you people HEAR yourselves, for the love of Christ? Not picking on him, just disappointed, as EVERY major person, from Wilkerson, Ritter, Johnson, even Celente, all completely useless, driven by the whip to talk about things they can’t prove, don’t understand, can’t point at, and are constantly countered by the next chess move in evidence. For years. And all for the same reason: ‘cause “Hate Trump Tho’” Wtf people?
Krainer pointed this out in hedge funds. When he was there, there were ONLY smart people, who read history, politics, and economics all day, because: money. They don’t pay you to be stupid and wrong, unlike Fox News Guests. And STILL for years, they would have to say not “Russia’s condition is X” but “I know Putin is a thug, and and don’t support Russia and I swear I vote Labour, BUT Russia’s condition is X.” Whyyyy? Why only with this ONE guy, do you have to caveat for EVERY. SINGLE. Statement? That’s retarded, we don’t have time. I’m not trying to “Signal” to anyone, take it as given and move on. NOPE!
Same here with Trump. “We MUST all establish and agree that everything Trump does is stupid and he’s an illiterate moron who never performed an correct action even on accident, BUUUUUUT….” But what, sir? “BUUUUUUT, he keeps kicking our ass all over the chessboard 5x a day and more on Sundays.” …And this is because he’s a moron, you say? “Yes.”
And what are all of YOU then?
Same thing. And I struggle to find ANYONE who isn’t baselined this intangible, unprovable factor which destroys all their calculations quite clearly and obviously. And every week, when they’re wrong again, do they stop, sit down, examine? Not on your life! They just keep ALL the premises, including that one – maybe it’s true, who knows!? — and just predict wrong again next week. LIKE the Tomahawks, which was child’s play to predict.
What gets me is 1) There’s no proof 2) It’s the only premise they won’t consider. That is as factual as gravity. When, in this metaphor, Trump keeps levitating around like Magneto, and they have to explain away the evidence of all our eyes near-daily.
Everything out there is stupid, and it all follows The Law of Nothing Ever Happens. That’s why I’m largely checked out. But what to replace it with?
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