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  • #197795
    jb-hb
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    How do you like your Pragmatism™ now?

    #197796
    D Benton Smith
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    @ThoseDarnKids

    Right.

    #197797
    those darned kids
    Participant

    [i had just summarized your writing.]

    i give up – it’s obvious leftists are ruining america and once they are all gone, norman rockwell will sound the big bell on the hill and everyone will be able to go to a&w in their real, gasoline powered convertible automobiles, order some real american root beer, and get it delivered by a real american white person in real american rollerskates, both feet being right, of course.

    darn leftists!

    #197798
    those darned kids
    Participant

    hahaha, you actually believe the i.c.e. crap.

    wowsers, you dumb with a capital “B”!

    #197799
    those darned kids
    Participant

    ice and jb-hb (with larry ellison watching over):

    #197800
    those darned kids
    Participant
    #197801
    those darned kids
    Participant

    #197802
    WES
    Participant

    tdk:

    Hey, I have one of those water kettles!

    #197803
    those darned kids
    Participant

    is that you in the picture?

    #197804
    Topcat
    Participant

    A 21st century Woke Diverse Equitable Inclusive Norman Rockwell

    #197805
    WES
    Participant

    tdk:

    Yup, that’s me!
    I can still remember pumping water exactly as shown in the painting!
    The galvanized bucket hanging on the notched pump spout!
    Even the wooden boards are accurate!

    #197806
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Hey, I have one of those water kettles!

    But no comment on lengthy “exchange” with the Jaybee?

    #197807
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @ThoseDarnKids

    Things just won’t be all right around here until they’ve all left.

    #197808
    those darned kids
    Participant

    jb! sorry to be so grumpy.

    hey, this is for you, you crazed left-o’whacker. go get ’em!

    in the meantime, enjoy the joy that is america.

    #197809
    those darned kids
    Participant

    dbs: from the book of tdk:

    :

    why do what’s right when you can take what’s left?

    #197810
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Everything I can get is thoughtless slop, all on repeat. They did ask Armstrong into advise Trump though, so finally saying “We are 100% nuclear WWIII” finally reached someone.

    No surprise after these runs gold, BTC are sideways. That’s a hell of a move, and that’s the way it goes.

    I think the “Complexity” issue isn’t wrong, but it predicates some other things we handwave vanish. That is, “Efficiency is the enemy of Resiliency”. Complex systems are more efficient or we wouldn’t make them. That makes things cheaper. However, now if we don’t have that one metric left handed wing nut from China, the whole auto manufacturing plant shuts down. And that itself rests on 1,000 trucks, ships, stevedores that are also running on left-handed wing nuts. So it always works ‘til it doesn’t.

    They’re not wrong, but like stock pickers, how high is high? They say Gold moved too far for example. Okay, correct. And didn’t you think that at $3k? $3.6k? Why not $6k? Now when BTC drops to $100k, why not $90k? You can know it WILL and still get it all wrong.

    Like we, I, have been predicting this collapse since 1995. Because it’s so obvious. But DID it collapse? Yes! …And yet no. With $36 Trillion fire-hosed in, it ROTATED. It EVOLVED. Like Rome did as well, it didn’t “Collapse” at all, we come to find. It decayed and transformed, one Villa at a time until all the villas were Feudal manors. Took 300 years. In Italy proper you’d be hard pressed to see the difference.

    These guys are similar. Yes that complexity is biting us, but you’re not going to horses and tipis. HOW complex matters. We are ONLY dropping to the level of SpaceX. That’s…pretty different. You’re going to lose all your positioning, trades, and insurance on that one. As Peter Shiff did for 15 years up until the gold run just now: he was a dead zero as stocks 4x. Broken clock. All his buyers died of old age, never able to cash in on being right 19 years too late.

    Your statement on local virtue is Ayn Rand. All it needed for Galt to win was to say “You’re the genius here, why don’t you tell me whether to push this broom left or right?” …Times 400 million people, over 57,000 minutes a week. Stop helping. Adding your expertise, your local knowledge. You say we take orders: you got it! Oh captain my captain! If you’re going to get beaten for not following orders, that’s only logical right? Bezos can figure out which cell I should click on this spreadsheet and get back to me, I’m going on a coffee break.

    And thus the Soviet Union.

    Zoom out: what is your left-right argument? Power Up vs Power Down. Left is centralized, by definition. Ask them.

    However, some seem to be under some delusion the Right supports Theil, Musk, and other billionaires and wouldn’t decentralize them right out of a job the minute it becomes strategically possible to do so. No, they will, because they are DE-centralists. When you post those pictures, there’s the assumption that any of us like or trust those guys. We don’t.

    That’s what the LEFT thinks we think, because that’s how THEY think. …And is one reason we perceive you as a leftist. Like if we don’t centralize under Biden, we centralize under Trump. No. And if THEY obey Biden, WE obey Trump, ‘cuz, opposites. No. GFY. The Right is notorious for distrusting and obeying no one, having oppositional defiance disorder. It’s one of their main weaknesses, much discussed.

    So when you post “Arrest Tyson” and show Larry Ellison as a guy to roll up and take his fortune down to about $900,000 we all are like, “yes, what took you so long?” You think it’s a pwn. It’s not: we were there in 1970. We’re saying IT’S THE GOVERNMENT moving that fortune TO Ellison and Zuck. Now well-proven with yet MOAR Tulsi releases each week.

    So thanks for agreeing with us, but get with the program. You’re constantly presenting we’re the enemy when we keep telling you we’re allies, but you keep firing. If you’re firing at us FOR being on the “Right” (which we’re not really) then that makes you a what? Probably the opposite of that, maybe? You hear the “Right” and are triggered, you hear someone criticize the Left and jump in to defend them, then maybe inside yourself you identify with whom?

    If the Right is happy to knock out Elon, take Trump’s fortune, defund the government, slash his power, both now and forever more then possibly, we’re already on this thing and are not goose-stepping minions? We’re ALREADY happily attacking both sides. When you attack the Right we say yes. When you say sinking boats is bad we say yes. When you say ruling by executive orders is dangerous, we say yes. When you say we should cut Elon’s subsidies we say yes. Ratchet go one way. WE go both ways. Campaign fraud for Santos, we say yes, boot him even if it loses Congress. McConnell insider trading, arrest him.

    However, this is not true on the other side. If you’re on the Left – even the very far left, like Jimmy Dore – and criticize the Left, they ban, erase, arrest you. It is not a both-sides-ism. That says one side is NORMAL, in the CENTER and willing to hear and move both ways. The other is on the outer extreme and will only think or move in one direction: Ratchet go one way.

    If government is bankrupt and centralization isn’t working, we add more government and centralization. Just ask them. And we are forced to take the unenviable position of pointing this out, every day. It’s just as tiresome to us as to you.

    So keep posting bad Trump officials and we’ll keep agreeing.

    But you keep NOT posting all the OTHER officials, like Schumer shutting off the whole government, importing 20M mouths to feed, then shooting up Army bases to keep them here. And on that we are NOT agreeing.

    Speaking of, because I’m so stupid and slow, FINALLY figured out the shutdown.

    Like WHY? The DEMOCRATS ARE the government. When it’s shut, their power is shut. And all their PEOPLE live on government, war pigs, welfare people, government workers, PMCs, their ONLY remaining base. So piss them off too. What the hecken?

    And they KEEP IT UP. Schumer comes out and says “Every day the government is shut we grow stronger.” Uh, no, you don’t. The polls say so. I know you read them.

    Even this Leftist heard a podcast from, I dunno, Yarvin or something, explaining it, but made literally no sense. So UNLIKE EVERY JOURNALIST, he looked, and found there IS no official DNC explanation. None. Not on the DNC site, which is no longer updated? Not for Schumer, AOC, nobody. Uhhh, aren’t you supposed to give neat talking points for your people? What gives? He didn’t know, but being apparently the only journalist left in America (he isn’t, just some guy who posted on Substack) he just reported it.

    So what do you think THAT means? Easy: it means they’re LYING. Like anything else, if they were proud of it, they would just tell you. If they were PROUD of slush funds, coming from tax dollars to by votes, they wouldn’t HIDE it by hopping through 20 NGO’s each with a 10% vig to hide the banking trail. Right? If economic numbers are awesome, you release them. All on board.

    No reason for their shutdown we’ve ever heard, 6 weeks in. THAT MEANS THEY’RE LYING. They can’t TELL you what the reason is. And because it’s a BAD reason, not a good, happy, proud one the people will like.

    Right?

    Well we found out yesterday. A donor (Morgan?) give $130M EXTRA tax dollars FOR FREE to the U.S. government and Democrats lost their minds. HOW DARE HE give us tax money! Like we say about Warren Buffet: if your secretary pays more in taxes than you do that’s really easily fixed, you know. Add a zero to your tax payment check. Boom. Done. Socialism working, voluntarily, without violence at all. Start your commune. Join your properties, IDGAF, just leave me out of it.

    So this guy did, and all the troops were paid. On a measly, piddling $130M. Hardly a rounding error, one house in Bel Air.

    WHY?

    Oh, because THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO RIOT. That’s “The Plan.” They’re Running Russian Revolution 2.0, and were supposed to have riots all summer, but Big Balls got in there, AI’d the USAID in 30 minutes, and shut them off. When they pop up their bank accounts to buy rent-a-riot, they are flagged and rounded up. Bye bye.

    So they are getting hit too fast to deploy the Red Bolsheviks. The White Bolsheviks (real ppl and business owners) are a whole march ahead of them. This was “The Plan” and we know they’re incapable of adjusting “The Plan.” That would be something distributed soldiers do: corporals and sergeants in the field. They only have minions; they are centralized.

    So they say “We’ll call up the WHOLE base, see what happens. If we have Democrats nationwide out, we can salt in a few deadly shooters and arsonists and have an event.” Right. It’s not crazy. Sounds good.

    NO ONE TURNED OUT. That is, they HAVE no base. Everyone they have is paid, they’re all color revolution payroll. If you ask the GenPop, even among the deranged far-left National Democratic Socialists, they don’t really show up. There are none. It’s astroturf all the way down, WAAAAAAY less traction than they thought.

    Okay, now you can see why this mattered. IF neither of those things were true, IF we had riots all summer, random shootings, AND those paid mercenaries joined the Glorious Revolution of the organic Red Bolsheviks AND GenPop Democrats showed up in force to stop all these kings, THEN you see why not paying the soldiers was a winning move. Because then the soldiers would be asked to put down, to shoot, fellow Americans WHILE NOT BEING PAID.

    Classic British op. Check all the boxes, one by one, tic, tic, tic. What did RusRev1.0 do? Oh and we sent in a Red Cross “Helping” brigade from Europe to tip the balance too? Join the Reds and make October? Boom.

    So, um. What happens if we UN-tic the boxes one by one? Divert them all? What happens if we drag our feet and make Red October happen in January, when nobody’s going to march? Bye bye.

    WE WROTE THE DAMN BOOK, you people. We, wrote the Color Revolution book and have been using it daily since the CIA was founded in 1947. We can READ our own book. We KNOW what you’re doing. Now maybe nobody’s published the book on how to UN-do Color Revolutions, but it’s obvious reversal and we have endless tomes on what delayed or prevented them in Armenia, Georgia, Belarus, or wherever. Just do that.

    And so they have.

    So THAT is why the Democrats are so upset about 1) Free tax money and 2) The central government being strong and properly funded. Ah.

    #197811
    Valiant Johnson
    Participant

    Is there any word from Raul

    #197812
    zerosum
    Participant

    We are leaderless!

    #197813
    zerosum
    Participant

    Russia confirms successful test of nuclear-powered, nuclear-armed Burevestnik cruise missile

    President Vladimir Putin confirmed on Sunday that Russia has successfully tested its nuclear-powered intercontinental cruise missile, the 9M730 Burevestnik. The announcement follows the missile’s 14,000-kilometre flight over 15 hours, carried out on Tuesday, 21 October, during strategic offensive forces exercises.

    According to Russian sources, the missile performed all required vertical and horizontal manoeuvres during the test, displaying strong evasion capabilities against air defences. Gerasimov highlighted that the achieved distance and flight duration did not reflect its maximum potential, as the missile theoretically has unlimited range thanks to its compact nuclear propulsion system.
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    “Burevestnik” Tests Successful Pokrovsk & Kupyansk Fully Encircled Military Summary For 2025.10.26

    Highlight: Pokrovsk & Kupyansk Fully Encircled by prepositioning sleeper drones behind enemy lines for immediate action.
    ———–

    #197814
    John Day
    Participant

    Left or Right?
    Libertarian or Authoritarian?
    These are the questions posed by the Political compass Test https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en?page=1

    Guess what!? The answers may not correspond to the political tent you currently occupy.

    I am a Left-Libertarian, like Gandhi, and I am not stupid, so I don’t bite on a lot of the stinky-bait that is out there for the left.
    But, Dr. D will acknowledge that he also tests out as a Left-Lib.

    What do you score?

    #197815
    Topcat
    Participant

    Russia confirms successful test of nuclear-powered…………..nuclear-armed Burevestnik cruise missile

    Justin time for the disarmament treaties to expire!

    Well played Trumptard!

    The MIC=Maggot Mafia can’t match it because they are grifting so much there’s nothing left to do actual research with. Haha

    Fabulous, a nuclear powered missile that is always airborne and can cruise international airspace for like ever!

    “President Vladimir Putin confirmed on Sunday that Russia has successfully tested its nuclear-powered intercontinental cruise missile, the 9M730 Burevestnik.

    The announcement follows the missile’s 14,000-kilometre flight over 15 hours, carried out on Tuesday, 21 October, during strategic offensive forces exercises.”

    #197816
    Topcat
    Participant

    @John Day

    So where on the left/right spectrum does having a replacement birthrate fall?

    The Left has done more to destroy family formation than the tradition right.

    Leftist Feminism is closing in on 50% of young women not wanting children or marriage by the 2030’s.

    Mission Accomplished.

    Complexity isn’t needed to collapse a society.

    Just simple number will do.

    The Left was trying to make up it’s demographic suicide of not having enough children by bribing illegals to have a shot at a better life by voting for them in return for citizenship.

    Just like Rome offered ‘barbarians’ Roman citizenship by fighting in the Legions. No difference.

    USSA Hegemony is winning!

    The meek shall inherit the Earth

    #197817
    zerosum
    Participant

    Canada should prepare for ‘sacrifices’, austerities in new budget. – Carnie

    #197818
    zerosum
    Participant

    Is there a link, (cause and effect), with
    … depression, no sex, no marriage, depopulation, falling birthrates

    #197819
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Leftist – FAR Leftist – ideas have permeated the West. They have obviously captured the institutions. The messaging of their beliefs has been ubiquitous, massive yammering, bad enough decades ago, incessant today.

    Outrage and “don’t get fooled by he paradigm” looks MIGHTY suspicious when all the outrage is in response to one individual messaging sometimes while, for 5 years of absolute maximum ubiquitous screaming of Leftism from every orofice gets ZERO outrage, ZERO – “don’t believe any of that left stuff, free your mind.

    Right after Charlie Kirk was murdered (or the Right leveraged a leftist murder attempt and whisked him off to an island…) the left went full-tilt that BOTH SIDES must be equally to blame, or it would be wrong to be PARTISAN, or we really need compromise, or oh these right-left paradigms are illusion.

    Which has been a paralyzing meme-weapon for many years, stopping the West’s natural antibodies from functioning.

    What a non surprise to see multiple people here doing exactly that. One person not liking Leftism – how gauche, how annoying, how unenlightened, how offensive, etc…. position it as The Ick as much as possible while submitting no actual ideas for dispute. Language as weapon not communication.

    And the ubiquitous obsessive firehose of leftism from every medium – no outrage. No “seeing through it” to the Real Reality. Zero enlightenment as regards all the Frankfurt School stuff being mainstream for the past half decade. Even a few messages on one side -how dare you. Niagara Falls of messaging for years on the other side – “nothing is happening”

    You have zero morals because all you have is Pragmatism. And when met with the pragmatic, you don’t know what to do, because all your strategies were, in the end, dependent on the assumption that your opponents are your moral superiors.

    #197820

    We aren’t gonna tell you game plan.
    We trust you’ll know just what to do,
    When the hammer is dropped
    And the payments have stopped,
    It’s the signal for all of the crew.

    #197821

    we aren’t gonna tell you the game plan
    sheeesh.

    #197822
    chooch
    Participant

    #197823
    those darned kids
    Participant

    #197824
    those darned kids
    Participant

    the graph wouldn’t post..
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    Your Political Compass

    Economic Left/Right: -6.5
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87

    left – libertarian

    #197825
    John Day
    Participant

    @TDK: Actually a lotta’ Left-libs here.
    Topcat is a fraidy-cat to take the test hisself.
    ;-}

    Hey Celticbiker, are you gonna’ take the political compass test and tell us how you scored? https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en?page=1

    #197826
    Celticbiker
    Participant

    No shitforbrains, I’m not. Take your jew medical/psycological/political horseshit and shove it up your ass.

    #197827
    zerosum
    Participant

    That https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en?page=1 test will skew the AI responses.

    #197828
    Alexander Carpenter
    Participant

    I think it should tell us all something important that so many of us are continuing to follow this conversation so attentively and responsibly and provide (at least links to) the same sort of content that our absent host has provided for so long and so well.
    And I am certain that many of the lurkers are still lurking, in addition to those who cannot resist the temptation to mouth off with some (probably) intentional provocation either to satisfy their compulsions and self-myth, and conceivably also to make a substantive contribution to our expanding awareness.
    This invites some consideration for the future of this forum, whether or not our absent host returns. Of course, that would be the most desirable outcome, for I believe we all have come to appreciate and respect him and his efforts and wish there were something we could do to, first, learn his current condition and plans and, second, to support or assist him in further success.
    What might that look like? We can’t really know at present, but I am sure that at least some of us have considered replicating this forum should that become necessary. it has been a significant part of my own expanding understanding of the realities of our world of illusion, and I would sorely miss it should it disappear.
    It would be premature to be more specific right now, but we might want to address this matter eventually in some adult manner…

    #197829
    zerosum
    Participant

    expanding awareness. “Burevestnik”

    A test or a demonstration?

    ( Even an aircraft carrier became a floating coffin)

    #197831
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @JohnDay

    CelticBiker must be excused for the coarse language and belligerence because as an Authoritarian Nazi he’s just not allowed to talk nice to anyone that he disagrees with. If he did that he stands a good chance of being thrown out of the club and executed in the next scheduled purge.

    #197832
    WES
    Participant

    Ukraine:

    It is my understanding that Russia has more or less surrounded two separate groups of about 5,000 Ukrainians.
    At least all roads out of town are closed, so no Ukrainians can drive out using vehicles.
    They were given until Monday to leave but didn’t take the offered opportunity.

    The Russians have left escape routes open, but Ukrainians need to basically hoof it out on foot sans any equipment.
    To succeed in escaping, the Ukrainians have to run the Russian drone gauntlet through open fields.
    I guess in war, that is considered being given a sporting chance.

    #197833
    chooch
    Participant

    Obeying the impulse to run and hide from this spiritual war that is all around us by immersing ourselves in entertainment and distraction is a big part of the reason we are the situation we are today.

    These people are not going to stop the new world order / one world religion. They are going to be it and they want to take as many people as they can. This modern movement is connecting with politicians. Unlike the early church fathers and martyrs they are not preparing you for what is coming.

    Did you ever notice that when Jesus was here under the Roman Empire, he did not talk politics or teach his disciples about politics. Or did they try and get into government to change politics.

    The idea of building Gods kingdom on earth was put there to get the west to go along with a New World Order / One world religion.

    #197834
    those darned kids
    Participant

    stephen miller is creepy.

    #197835
    John Day
    Participant

    Hey Celticbiker; DBS thinks you’re a Right-Authoritarian.

    Is he right?

    “Prove him wrong”, as the saying goes. (You said before that you are a real person, not a bot, right?)

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