Debt Rattle April 12 2025
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April 12, 2025 at 9:29 am #186034
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterPablo Picasso Guernica 1937 (I turned it 90°, so you can see) • Kremlin Reveals Content Of Putin’s Talks With Trump Envoy Witkoff (RT) • Trump’
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle April 12 2025]April 12, 2025 at 9:48 am #186036Germ
ParticipantGood morning :-))
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COVID-19 Vaccination and Cardiovascular Events: A Systematic Review and Bayesian Multivariate Meta-Analysis of Preventive Benefits and Risks
Analysis of 15 studies with 11 controlled observations studies formed the basis of the primary analysis.
Analysis of over 85 MILLION people including nearly 46 million Covid vaccinated (1st, 2nd or 3rd dose).40 million unvaccinated acted as control group.
Vaccines studied – Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca across multiple countries.
Main metric focused on Pfizer and Astra Zeneca due to lack of studies examining cardiovascular effects of Moderna.
FINDINGS:
Coronary Artery Disease (CAD)
Overall:
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Second dose (all vaccines):
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BNT162b2 (Pfizer):
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First dose (any vaccine):
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April 12, 2025 at 11:38 am #186037Dr. D
ParticipantEscobar: “Will Trump move from the tariff fiasco to a war-with-Iran fiasco?”
There it is again, bringing 70 nations in 10 days to concede better trade deals making billions of dollars is a “Fiasco”. Whatever makes you sleep at night.
“Democrats Worried Trump May Not Have China’s Best Interests At Heart “ –BBee
“Trump Tells Putin To ‘Get Moving’ On Ukraine Peace Negotiations, Clock Ticking””
Hahahahaahaha!
“Tulsi Gabbard Drops Two Huge Bombshells
“We have evidence of how these electronic voting systems have been vulnerable to hackers for a very long time,”Yeah, I read major news articles about it in 2001. Too soon?
“How bad is Chinese infiltration of America?”I mean, not for nothing, we don’t need China to collapse us, we’re collapsing fine on our own.
“In a trade war, SIZE MATTERS — and the U.S. economy has the upper hand.”
Do we though? Everyone’s assuming the end. If we have the upper hand so clearly then why didn’t China cave? Because they estimate they have the upper hand in some fashion. Of such is the world made. I’m following something more primal: I don’t CARE if we have the upper hand. The only thing that matters is, if we take a soft hand with business as usual, we collapse and everybody dies. In that condition, it’s better to go down trying something than not. They say the U.S. is wildly overestimating our hegemony. Maybe. But China is probably wildly overestimating their Progress. So we’re both off by 10%. And? Like when in history was that ever not true?
The only thing that matters is, we’re bleeding $1T every 100, or 60, or whatever days. We are already in the hyperinflationary top. Dow 45,000? What are you smoking?
And Martin Armstrong agrees with me. His inside take is this is an extension of what I said: this was all media generated for a “Black Monday”. “We’re in a bear market, we’re all gonna dieeeeeee!!!!” How? Even the UPTREND line on the Dow hasn’t been taken out yet. That’s not even a WARNING of a Bear Market. There is nothing, from any technical analysis that would lead you to say we’re in danger. …Yet. Of course. My point isn’t that markets CAN’T go down, but they’re reporting they already DID when they haven’t fallen 10%?
People: Dow 36,000 is ludicrous. Way, way, way too high. We only returned to NEAR there.
My estimation this is printing money. Money DOGE is going to shortly reveal is in trillions. At the same time that – clear hyperinflation – DOGE ALSO shut off all the daily injections of billion$$$$ via the Lettermen Derp State magic money machines. Both events, in numbers of trillions, are smashing into each other. So we can capsize both starboard and port.
These may not be solvable, but unless we do something, it fails TODAY. If we stop it from failing TODAY we have at least the mere OPTION of fixing it. Stopping the bleeding lets us stabilize the books and LOOK for a bankruptcy restructure. Not that China’s in any better position. We’re symbiotes and they need to restructure too. But Surprise, and Happy! Our talk is that they need to consume more. Because we hate China so much we’re asking them to be prosperous.
“We don’t know what impact it’s having”
Apparently we DO know. Online: “Over this time, the funniest thing will turn out to be that Alex Jones was right about turning the frogs gay.” I wouldn’t call it funny.
“UK, France and Ukraine cling on to hopes that Trump will support their side and start a world war. Trump wants peace.”
Does he? …But as the days go by, yes, we can see from actions the only sensible conclusion is yes. It’s absolutely not all talk. And what does that mean for Israel, Iran, etc? Or Panama, Venezuela? Yeah, does lean that he wouldn’t want war there either.
““Medvedev, said that the potential emergence of any NATO “peacekeepers” in Ukraine would mean a war between the bloc and Russia.”
I can hardly believe they are still using these words. Who are they talking to??? I doubt even the home front would care. They don’t want soldiers anywhere, and don’t care if they’re Peacekeepers or not. At this same time, everyone, including British national who had to change his citizenship back to Polish merely to run, wants snap conscription to have a declared war in 2030. Are you high? And don’t TELL Russia that, you morons. Historians are going to feverishly search the records going “This can’t REALLY be what they did and said. Nobody is that dumb.”
“Kellogg Blasts Times for Misrepresenting His Words on Ukraine LYING (Sp.)
It’s the Times. Of COURSE they were lying.
““..Moscow has firmly rejected the idea of NATO troops being stationed in Ukraine.”
Every day they’re talking, Russia wins. There are very few places left before the Dniepr. And that’s right on Kiev.
“• Zelensky Mustn’t Govern Russians He Despises – Lavrov (RT)
Classic with “The Name Stealers” Zelensky IS Russian. Duh. He couldn’t even speak “Ukrainian” although it’s a mere dialect. He’s a moderate who’s also Azov, He’s also Christian, but also Jewish, but also Western, but also English, but also…
“Britain’s military leadership played a far more extensive and covert role in the Ukraine conflict than previously known,
The NY Times seemed to know. Like weeks ago. Since they got all that information back to 2022 at a minimum, years ago. They were just LYING.
“The Times claimed that British troops were sent into Ukraine in small numbers on several occasions throughout 2022 and 2023, operating discreetly to avoid provoking Russia.”
Limited hangout. The British troops were in KURSK. And “Stormshadows” is a polite way of saying “We were missile striking Moscow in hopes of starting a nuclear response and WWIII.” Let me repeat that:
“We were missile striking Moscow in hopes of starting a nuclear response and WWIII.”
It’s so “Secret” that you think Russia “Secretly” noticed your “Secret” ICBMs “Secretly” blowing s—t up in Russian territory? These people are impossible. The NYT article was the same: “Well, we’ll STRIKE them, but we won’t CALL it a strike, see? Then there’s no war.” Um, do you think RUSSIA will notice WHEN THEY’VE BEEN BOMBED? Cause I think they’ll probably notice. They’ll say they’ve been Разбомбили! Not “Bombed” at all. Now you can’t rule me in Court! Ha Ha Ha! Me so schmartz!
“• The Tariff Issue Again (Paul Craig Roberts)
No end to the DonaldTelepathy in sight.
“The whore media is doing its best to misrepresent the tariff issue and to cause hysteria that causes stock market volatility and fears of world recession.”
Exactly what Armstrong said. They tried several new coups, including recent moronicGate? I forget all the -Gates they have, but they’re so weakened on the back foot, esp with no USAID, Color Revolution Dept, that nothing works. “I burned a Tesla but the government still exists!”
“does he mean it, or is it, like the tariff threat, just another negotiating instrument? If I were Trump, I would not want any wars, because wars are all-consuming, and the domestic agenda would be put on the back burner. I think that Trump wants to avoid all wars so that he can deal with America’s real enemy: the American Establishment.”
I agree, and which is stronger? Trump just INCREASED the military budget. He’s supposed to be halving it. Short leash.
At the same time, look at DOGE: are you NOT trying to get all these off-book projects you need On-book? That’s cleaning up accounting while we’re still trying to grasp what’s going on down there? They need to explain, but maybe they are and the media is saturated with DonaldTelepathy and the NON-Bear Market NON-crash instead.
“Why do most nations prefer trade surpluses and protective tariffs? Are Europe, Asia, China, and others stupid?”
These are all perfectly sound but Triffin’s Paradox. IF we are the reserve currency THEN we must run a deficit. (Because: Reasons) The reserve currency is a death sentence. So if we STOP being the reserve currency we STOP having a trade deficit. We are saying all these things, and saying it’s a-gonna happen. Now. Right now. Or everybody dies.
“• Trump’s Tariffs Only the Start. Congress Must Now Cut Taxes, Regulations (DS)
All interconnected, any part and it blows out. IF we are not the Reserve currency AND cannot “Just print money” THEN we must have a reasonable budget. 1, 2, 3. Powell has been on this, ordering Congress to stop destroying the American Economy, words that Fed Chairs never use. Like +3 years ago. He’s not wrong.
“Making the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent is a good start, but we also must remove every remaining tax penalty on expanding hiring and business operations in America by adopting full and immediate expensing for all investments. Pairing this with a simplified flat tax”
Here are your other pieces: Regulation that starts, not stops business and employment. No IRS, as taxing is too simple and a lot of it is made in Tariffs. Again, Wall St, Main St, are on board. There are only a few Eurotrash holdouts, mostly from our own media and universities.
“the district court could order the government “to facilitate” but not necessarily “to effectuate” the return.”
Okay we release him where he is. If he wants to buy a plane ticket and show up in court, we won’t stop him. Isn’t that what this means?
“• The End of La Grande Illusion Democratique (Karganovic)
Only the incurably naïve were shocked by the brazen and deliberate rigging of the French Presidential elections.Ah, but there are a lot of those… It’s an ideal ruling for winning, that is, waking people up.
What they don’t say is how long Canon Mills limped along, trying to stay strong, hoping for a turn. (50 years?) We’ve known this since 1980, when LLBean for instance was trying to hold the line as much as possible, or Sam Walton. Nope. Straight from the top. Liquidate the U.S., short it down, move it to China, buy it up. “We” didn’t do this. WHO, who EXACTLY did this? Not the American people. Not even a number of politicians. But an extremely small cadre we can identify and name one by one. Starting with HW Bush, and his best pal, WJ Clinton.
Here’s what’s most dispiriting to me: those ancient mill machines are irreplaceable. The new robotic stuff is pure s—t. Yet I imagine most of them have been melted down, and with them, after all this time, the irreplaceable knowledge of how to use them, and fibers in general. It’s like landing on a barren planet. You can’t necessarily import Chinese who know this now, either. What we were trying to do, and our feedstocks, are all different. I’m sure we’ll figure it out, but what a dismal heap of unnecessary problems.
“Elon Musk: Tesla’s approach to self-driving is difficult but ultimately very powerful.
Still nobody has any answers. So when it gets in an accident, we must and can only sue Tesla, right? Who was the driver?
Gulf of nada
April 12, 2025 at 11:39 am #186038tinfoilhatted canuck
ParticipantRe: VDH questions.
I find it ironic and amusing that VDH uses an argument the independent / alt media use all the time . For example, “ how would America respond if China/Russia/Iran spent hundreds of billions in $ and weapons funding a proxy army in Mexico intent on regime change and parcelling up their country’s resources?” Apply THAT logic to the US’s foreign policy and see which makes sense.
Secondly, with regards to “ If so, why did our trade partners not wish to lower their trade barriers far earlier? “ let’s consider the “exorbitant privilege “ of the world reserve currency shall we? You know where because of this control of world financial institutions, reserve currency and petro dollar, the US can print trillions of dollars out of thin air, buy REAL products from other countries for fiat pieces of paper and live a standard of living above the rest of the world. Yup, fair deal America.
As Alasdair Macleod, Peter Schiff and others have noted, the US deficit is because their corporate mega minds hollowed out American industry chasing profits and given free money the country went on a buying and credit binge over decades.
Bottom line, the chickens are coming home to roost on the financial and geo-political scene. Imo of course.
April 12, 2025 at 1:34 pm #186040Dr. D
ParticipantApril 12, 2025 at 1:54 pm #186041zerosum
ParticipantREAD MORE.
The media supported obvious lies.
When people in the Western world are confronted by nothing but lies and propaganda serving as news, what understanding can they have?
How come I’m just learning this now?
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What’s next?
• Trump’s Tariffs Only the Start. Congress Must Now Cut Taxes, Regulations (DS)Doing nothing will leave our societies with a bankrupt USA
———–April 12, 2025 at 2:05 pm #186042aspnaz
ParticipantTrump makes me laugh because he is soooo out of touch with the real world – kind of understandable for a billionaire. He thinks that doubling the price of Chinese goods will be enough to make USA goods competitive. The real number is probably something like 20 times – a tariff of 2000% – which is why Xi is just laughing at him. China will continue to import into the USA as the cheapest goods, but now the Americans will be paying twice as much, the second half as tax. Go Trump!
April 12, 2025 at 2:10 pm #186043aspnaz
ParticipantXi will sit back and watch the USA destroy itself with the tariff tax. What better gift could a competitor wish for?
April 12, 2025 at 2:14 pm #186044D Benton Smith
ParticipantChina will continue to import into the USA as the cheapest goods, but now the Americans will be paying twice as much, the second half as tax.
You nailed it.
Now, moving on to question #2 (and then #3 immediately thereafter):
Did Trump do such an incredibly stupid and destructive thing on purpose? And, if so, what might that purpose be?Side note: If the suicide was by sheer hubristic stupidity (possible, though less likely) then Trump & Co. are just too stupid for words and can (should) just be ignored as irrelevant background noise hence forward.
April 12, 2025 at 2:16 pm #186045aspnaz
ParticipantThe USA manufacturing sector is less than 8% of the US economy, and most of that is military. Only 2.5% of China’s GDP depends on the USA. The USA currency can be destroyed by foreign lenders, such as China, even though they only own a small percentage – see Japan over the last few days. So who is the Orange Jew working for, who is he really fighting and will we ever know? It certainly isn’t the people of the USA, the people of the world, the l people of Ukraine etc. He is a puppet doing the bidding of the rulers that we never get to see.
April 12, 2025 at 2:16 pm #186046zerosum
Participantcopilot says …
Can you come up with a better plan than Trumps plan to prevent bankruptcy?
Trump’s financial challenges seem to revolve around legal judgments and asset management2. A better plan might focus on restructuring debt, selling non-essential assets, and negotiating settlements to avoid prolonged legal battles. Transparency and a clear financial strategy could also help rebuild trust with lenders and stakeholders. What do you think?
1www.newsweek.com
2www.newsweek.com
3www.nbcnews.comWhat do you think? think deeper
Alright, let’s dig in. If someone like Trump is facing bankruptcy, the solution needs to be multi-layered. Beyond just selling assets or restructuring debt, it’s about rebranding and leveraging influence. For instance, creating new revenue streams through licensing deals or partnerships could be a game-changer. It’s also crucial to address the root causes—whether it’s legal challenges, mismanagement, or market shifts—and tackle those head-on.
But here’s the thing: financial recovery isn’t just about numbers. It’s about perception. Rebuilding trust with stakeholders, lenders, and the public can open doors to opportunities that might otherwise be closed. What’s your take on this approach?
Why would there be any opposition to your solution
Opposition could arise for a few reasons. First, restructuring debt or selling assets might not sit well with creditors or stakeholders who feel they’re losing out. Second, creating new revenue streams through licensing or partnerships could face skepticism if the individual’s reputation is tarnished. Trust is a fragile thing, and rebuilding it takes time—some might not be willing to wait.
Additionally, legal challenges or ongoing disputes could complicate negotiations, making it harder to implement a cohesive plan. And let’s not forget, public perception can be a double-edged sword; while some might admire a comeback, others might see it as opportunistic or insincere. What’s your take on these potential hurdles?
What’s your take on these potential hurdles?
Let’s break it down further:
Creditor Expectations and Financial Rigor: Creditors want assurances of a stable future return, and restructuring debt or selling off assets often involves concessions that can leave stakeholders feeling shortchanged. The plan must balance short-term liquidity issues with the long-term need to rebuild credibility—a task that’s as much about negotiation as it is about numbers. Many creditors may fear that any innovative revenue streams—such as licensing deals—could be unstable or too dependent on the figure’s personal brand rather than solid underlying assets.
Reputation and Public Perception: In this scenario, rebuilding trust isn’t merely about restructuring balance sheets. It’s about overcoming the lasting perception challenges associated with a polarizing public persona. Even if the financial engineering is sound, the broader public and political influencers might view such moves as opportunistic or insincere. The plan risks being seen as leveraging a bankruptcy for an even greater comeback, which can fuel skepticism and even active opposition from both political adversaries and disenchanted investors.
Legal and Regulatory Complexities: Navigating pre-existing legal challenges adds another layer of difficulty. Any ongoing litigation or unresolved contractual obligations could derail innovative restructuring plans. Additionally, the very process of reorganizing assets and negotiating debtor-in-possession financing may require court approvals and regulatory clearance, which could delay or dilute the intended strategy. This legal inertia can sometimes be the silent killer of turnaround efforts.
Operational and Strategic Overhaul: Even with debt restructured and a revamp in public relations, the operational challenges remain. Effective turnaround requires more than a rebranded façade—it demands a fundamental, sustainable change in business practices. There can be resistance from within the organization; entrenched interests may be hesitant to adopt the new model if they’re tied to the old ways of doing business. Convincing internal stakeholders can be as formidable a hurdle as persuading external investors.
My Overall Take: The potential hurdles are deeply interwoven—they span financial skepticism, legal constraints, and public relations challenges. Achieving success isn’t just about smart financial tactics; it’s about orchestrating a complete reinvention of both the operational framework and the public persona. The strategy must simultaneously address tangible asset management and the intangible realm of trust and reputation. In essence, it’s a high-risk, high-reward game—the kind that demands not only brilliant business acumen but also a transformative, almost entrepreneurial, reimagining of identity.
Beyond these hurdles, it’s worth considering how other turnaround stories in business history have navigated similar challenges. Cases like the reinvention of major corporations after a crisis offer valuable lessons in aligning financial restructuring with cultural and operational change. Do you have any examples or angles in mind you think could further illuminate this complex balancing act?
You did not present YOUR plan.
Alright, here’s my detailed plan—one that tackles the structural, operational, and reputational challenges head-on.
1. Deep Financial Audit & Restructuring
Full Transparency: Kick things off with an independent, forensic audit to map every liability, cash flow, and asset. Knowing exactly what you’re working with is paramount. This baseline identifies the “fat” that needs to be trimmed.Debt Conversion & Negotiation: Approach creditors proactively. Convert short-term, high-interest loans into longer-term commitments with reduced rates—possibly through debt-for-equity swaps or negotiated principal reductions. This not only eases immediate cash flow pressures but also realigns the balance sheet for future growth.
Prioritizing Assets: Identify core revenue-generating assets versus non-essential holdings. The aim is to isolate and protect the value drivers while planning the strategic liquidation of underperforming elements.
2. Asset Rationalization & Monetization
Selective Asset Sales: Sell off non-essential properties and business units to unlock liquidity. For example, real estate holdings could be restructured into a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT), allowing continued benefit from those assets without the direct management burden.Licensing & Branding Deals: Leverage brand recognition by striking licensing agreements and partnerships. This converts intangible assets into continuous revenue streams—for instance, branded digital platforms, merchandising, or media ventures that tap into a broad fan base.
Operational Efficiency: Consolidate overlapping divisions. Streamline management structures so that every asset, whether liquidated or retained, contributes positively to the cash flow and overall strategic narrative.
3. Strategic Leadership & Business Model Overhaul
Turnaround Task Force: Assemble a team of seasoned turnaround experts across finance, legal, and operations. Their mandate is to drive the restructuring process with a no-nonsense focus on measurable outcomes.Cultural & Managerial Reset: Initiate an operational overhaul—embracing lean management principles and performance accountability measures. Refresh the leadership team if necessary to instill discipline and a forward-looking vision.
Diversifying Revenue Channels: Shift the focus from legacy business models to technology-driven, scalable ventures. Developing digital platforms, forming franchising alliances, or even venturing into bespoke financial products can help create fresh, sustainable revenue streams.
4. Reputation Reinvention & Stakeholder Communication
Bold Rebranding Initiative: Launch a comprehensive PR and rebranding effort centered on transparency, accountability, and future growth. The message must clearly signal that this isn’t merely about weathering a storm—it’s about reinventing a legacy for the modern era.Engaging Stakeholders: Cultivate open lines of communication with creditors, investors, customers, and the public. Regular updates, detailed progress reports, and a clear roadmap for future milestones are vital to rebuilding trust and mitigating skepticism.
Digital Engagement: Leverage social media and digital platforms to directly speak to the audience. This approach not only humanizes the turnaround but also offers real-time proof of progress, turning critics into cautious believers.
5. Legal & Regulatory Navigation
Settling Litigations: Proactively engage in settlement negotiations for ongoing legal disputes. Reducing the legal quagmire cuts down on resource drains and prevents prolonged uncertainty that could derail the turnaround.Robust Legal Advisory: Retain top-tier legal counsel to ensure that every restructuring move complies with current regulations and strategically positions the company for any future challenges.
Compliance as a Culture: Integrate continual legal and regulatory oversight into the reformed business practices. This minimizes future risk and signals a long-term commitment to ethical operations.
6. Implementation Roadmap & Long-Term Value Creation
Phase 1 (0–3 Months):Launch the comprehensive audit and begin debt negotiations.
Identify immediate liquidity options by earmarking non-core assets for sale.
Phase 2 (3–9 Months):
Execute the asset rationalization strategy and initiate leadership and operational overhauls.
Begin preliminary settlement talks on high-exposure legal cases.
Phase 3 (9–24 Months):
Roll out the rebranding campaign and the new business model, focusing on digital transformation and diversified revenue streams.
Solidify partnerships and new funding avenues (such as equity injections from strategic investors).
By traversing these phases, the plan isn’t just about avoiding bankruptcy—it’s about pivoting from a crisis mode to a sustainable, growth-oriented future. While the structure faces possible resistance from creditors, long-standing legal entanglements, and entrenched internal interests, its multi-pronged approach is designed to tackle every avenue of risk head-on.
Looking Deeper
This plan isn’t a quick fix; it’s a transformation strategy:Innovative Financing Avenues: Think about tapping into modern financing models like crowdfunding or partnering with tech-forward investors who bring fresh perspectives.
Cultural Transformation: Reinventing public perception means not only changing the narrative through PR but also delivering measurable operational improvements. It’s as much about the story as it is about real numbers.
Lessons from History: Look to turnaround successes like those of troubled conglomerates that reinvented themselves in the digital age; their experiences offer blueprints for navigating public skepticism and legacy challenges.
How do you feel about integrating these modern financial and operational models into a traditional turnaround strategy? What aspects do you think might need extra focus given the complexities of a highly public figure’s portfolio?
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April 12, 2025 at 2:17 pm #186047aspnaz
Participant@DBS I think I expressed my agreement with your comment.
April 12, 2025 at 2:21 pm #186048aspnaz
ParticipantI think there is a structural problem. The major parties of the USA need to get together and agree a long-term solution to the USA’s problems. Nobody wants to see the USA collapse – lots want to see their military collapse – so it should be possible to come to a solution, but your rulers don’t want that.
April 12, 2025 at 2:41 pm #186049John Day
ParticipantThanks Ilargi. Good bunch of articles today.
I hope Witkoff got good sleep on the plane to Oman and is being reasonable with the Iranians in the other room, “talking-indirectly” as he is.
4 hours with Putin, after seeing the sights with Dimitriev … 😉April 12, 2025 at 2:59 pm #186050D Benton Smith
ParticipantAnybody (and everybody, for that matter) with a keyboard can contact their nearest favorite AI System to quickly and easily work out a plan for doing the logical and reasonable things which would either cure or at least ameliorate the United States’ current financial and geopolitical woes.
I’m pretty sure that Team Trump has access to the latest and best of such systems at his disposal. If not then Elon can just loan him one for the afternoon and they can work it all out by lunch time.
Clearly they are not working a plan with even a remote chance of pulling Americans’ bacon out of the fires they started. Say, you don’t suppose that it is possible that they ARE working the plan that such a system has provided to them to assist in achieving the objectives which they fed into the AI System, asking it to whip up a do-list for how best to achieve those objectives?
I think probably so. Which means, of course, that the plan is working just fine in producing precisely the objectives that they desire(otherwise they would use an AI System to help them revise the plan.)
Such a possibility does raise the unsettling question of what their objectives are, but answering that question ain’t exackly rocket science. Or rather, it IS rocket science but they’ve got rocket scientists out the wazoo to help them answer it. Reverse engineer what they actually are achieving (and it ain’t pretty!) and what you find will be the objective that their plan was designed to achieve.
Bingo! Or maybe I should, craps!
April 12, 2025 at 3:00 pm #186051Topcat
ParticipantApril 12, 2025 at 3:01 pm #186052Topcat
ParticipantJust U.S.
April 12, 2025 at 3:05 pm #186053Topcat
ParticipantApril 12, 2025 at 5:18 pm #186054phoenixvoice
Participant…Congress must now cut taxes…
*sigh*
How about Congress pass a smaller budget or some recisions first? What is the point of cutting taxes when the budget has not been cut? Or — do it at the same time. I know, it is such a weird thing — connecting the money being spent to the money coming in — who in government has ever entertained such an odd idea?!April 12, 2025 at 5:36 pm #186055phoenixvoice
Participant85 MILLION PEOPLE STUDY FINDS MASSIVE ESCALATION OF CARDIOVASCULAR RISKS IN THE COVID VACCINATED…
…And my daughter wearies of me considering every ailment and sudden death among those that I figure are likely vaccinated against C19 to be possible caused by the injection. I recognize that there might not be a causal link…but she does not realize the magnitude of the possibility that there *is* a causal link.
April 12, 2025 at 5:49 pm #186056John Day
Participant@Phoenixvoice: It is too much cognitive dissonance to consider that the world, our world, might be as it actually IS.
The shepherds take care of us and feed us.
You are horribly sick to say that they would kill us and eat us.
;-(April 12, 2025 at 6:50 pm #186057Michael Reid
ParticipantApril 12, 2025 at 7:39 pm #186058my parents said know
ParticipantNow we mourn the dear departed-
Finishing what had been started
By the heartless feudal lords,
With needles standing in for swords.Some truths are too hard to bear.
Years will pass before they care.April 12, 2025 at 8:41 pm #186059Michael Reid
ParticipantApril 12, 2025 at 9:05 pm #186060those darned kids
Participantonly about 3 or 4% of money is paper and sundry trinkets.
your life is controlled by digits on computers.
April 12, 2025 at 9:24 pm #186061Topcat
ParticipantAn old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life:
“A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.
“It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.
One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow……”
He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love……
The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
April 12, 2025 at 10:48 pm #186062Michael Reid
ParticipantWhat is the illusion?
April 12, 2025 at 11:42 pm #186063aspnaz
Participanthttps://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-exempts-computers-handsets-chips-reciprocal-tariff-blitz
The Orange Jew is already backtracking, talking tough, acting weak. How has this whole tariff episode benefitted the USA? You have pissed off your trading partners and gained nothing. There must be some other plan, maybe it is all about upsetting the markets so that ((Trump))’s ((mates)) can make a killing. I suspect that his ((mates)) making a killing was just a side show, there is more going on, and none of the voters know the plan.
One bad thing about democracy and religions like christianity is that they encourage people to think they have power; christians have the power to talk directly to god (the imaginary man in the sky) and voters have the power to elect the next POTUS. Of course, both beliefs are fantasy, but they encourage people to get involved in other peoples’ business, they bring out the worst in people. For example, the christians are busy converting others while believing that their leader is a god who is above government, or any authority here on earth. Voters divide themselves into groups, partisan groups and they want to know what group you are in, and they will hate you if you are not in their group. We don’t have this shit going on in China, we do not have any real reason to get in other peoples faces, so the Chinese practice a more “live and let live” approach to life, they are not being encouraged to think they are powerful, they are fully aware that they are powerless so they try to live a profitable life, doing the best for their families.
April 13, 2025 at 1:11 am #186064Michael Reid
ParticipantApril 13, 2025 at 1:30 am #186067poppie
ParticipantEveryone starts with the truth and spins that over the net in their favor. Yawn… So we try to register the true part.
April 13, 2025 at 1:54 am #186068D Benton Smith
ParticipantOne bad thing about democracy and religions like christianity is that they encourage people to think they have power; christians have the power to talk directly to god (the imaginary man in the sky) and voters have the power to elect the next POTUS. Of course, both beliefs are fantasy, but they encourage people to get involved in other peoples’ business, they bring out the worst in people. For example, the christians are busy converting others while believing that their leader is a god who is above government, or any authority here on earth.
You suffer from the same intellectual bravado as the last “aspnaz”, and for the same reason. You are ignorant, and do not know that you are ignorant, and seek to compensate for that ignorance with bravado and grand pronouncements about those very things that you are most ignorant of. That’s the larger part of what arrogance is, the aggressive concealment of ignorance.
You have lived your entire life, so far, within a self-admittedly nondemocratic society. That’s not a fault, it’s just a fact. Likewise, you’ve never studied nor practiced Christianity. That’s fair enough too, and for the same reason. As the inheritor of free will those are your choices to make.
Ironically that free will of yours is purely a gift from the very God who you mock. If you don’t think so then I challenge you here, now and in public to tell me how and where you got it. I’m all ears.
Nevertheless, getting back on topic, in my opinion you made the wrong choice in both cases, but that’s not your biggest mistake. Your big mistake is that you presume to know, and proclaim to know, things that you demonstrably do NOT know.
I advise you to learn them before you mock them, for three good reasons. Firstly you will avoid the embarrassment of being shown up as a fool in public. Secondly you will become a better person, and more valuable to those around you. Lastly, and by far the most importantly, you will become more aware of what is the most fundamental of all possible truths, which comes in pretty handy when you get right down to what really matters.
April 13, 2025 at 1:59 am #186069zerosum
ParticipantSecondly you will become a better person, and more valuable to those around you. Lastly, and by far the most importantly, you will become more aware of what is the most fundamental of all possible truths, which comes in pretty handy when you get right down to what really matters.
Answer:
A regular good bowel movement.April 13, 2025 at 2:50 am #186070D Benton Smith
Participant@zerosum
Mockery isn’t an argument, in fact it isn’t even relevant to the argument. It’s a lot like puns because it’s purpose isn’t to entertain the audience, it’s to gratify a sadistic streak in the perpetrator. Combined with deliberately farting at the dinner table it completes the “dark triad” of humor, and the people who do it without shame or regret are the same kind of people who light farts and shout crude remarks from car windows at pretty girls and laugh like that’s funny or something. Hint: it’s not funny. It’s the “or something”.April 13, 2025 at 3:15 am #186071those darned kids
Participantpresident once-ler!
https://news.google.com/search?q=trump+logging&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
“i speak for the stumps..”
April 13, 2025 at 3:18 am #186072those darned kids
Participantman, so glad no more of those destructive solar farms now that trumpian common sense has prevailed!
April 13, 2025 at 3:35 am #186073zerosum
ParticipantD Benton Smith
If you have never gone more than 3 days without, then you cannot appreciate how important it is. Ask a nurse.
April 13, 2025 at 3:35 am #186074zerosum
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April 13, 2025 at 3:56 am #186078D Benton Smith
Participant@zerosum
So I asked a nurse and she said that a 300% reduction in bed-pan disposal sounded like a miracle, no shit.April 13, 2025 at 4:10 am #186079those darned kids
Participantdon’t mess with canada:
April 13, 2025 at 4:16 am #186080aspnaz
ParticipantD Benton Smith said
Ironically that free will of yours is purely a gift from the very God who you mock.
then
Your big mistake is that you presume to know, and proclaim to know, things that you demonstrably do NOT know.
So it okay for you to talk about the big guy in the sky giving me free will, basically an idea that you were sold some time ago as a comforting explanation of the world. But it is not okay for me to point out that I told the Christianity salesman that he was full of shit. Rules based order, follow my rules or face the consequences, so USA, so full of hypocrisy.
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