Debt Rattle May 13 2020

 

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    Harris&Ewing Treasury Building, Fifteenth Street, Washington, DC 1918   • Don’t Let Governors Fool You About Reopening (Yaneer Bar-yam) • GOP
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 13 2020]

    #58711
    V. Arnold
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    Okay, you got me; 3D printed Möbius gears are just so, so, Escher like…
    Of note: that gear set couldn’t be made conventionally; only by the 3-D printing technology…
    3-D printing is in its infancy…buckle up…

    #58712
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Here’s a good one: “”The Financial System Will Have To Be Reset”: How The World’s Most Powerful And Influential People See The World After The Pandemic”

    Huh. It’s not just idiots like me. As we’ve known for 49 years.

    “Fiscal Disaster: US April Deficit Hits Record $738BN as Government Spends $1 Trillion in One Month”

    Zoom
    https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/govt%20spending%205.12.jpg?itok=RFZytIBu

    And all voluntary. But then, organic things always have a blow-off end. It’s not like we don’t know when the tides turn.

    In this case, the Public wave has reached an extreme: no production, tax base, or income, and infinite spending. That means the Private wave is starting as government go bankrupt due to the blowoff of Socialism and Totalitarianism. That may not go smoothly, and doesn’t happen all at once, but it begins, and we can see this in State bonds going bankrupt, and should they even get bailed out, the currency would fail. Regardless, the government and their assets are being discredited. As happens with great and predictable regularity in history, and we’re no exception.

    Nor any surprise. That’s why everything that’s happened has happened. Inflation, oil, Iraq, ’08, Derp v. Generals, all of it. Whitest white swan that could ever be.

    #58713
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    FACE MASKS

    Extracts from the article posted below :

    But other nations that used basic common sense have fared so much better than us. The following comes from Vanity Fair…

    ” The day before yesterday, 21 people died of COVID-19 in Japan. In the United States, 2,129 died. Comparing overall death rates for the two countries offers an even starker point of comparison with total U.S. deaths now at a staggering 76,032 and Japan’s fatalities at 577. Japan’s population is about 38% of the U.S., but even adjusting for population, the Japanese death rate is a mere 2% of America’s.

    This comes despite Japan having no lockdown, still-active subways, and many businesses that have remained open—reportedly including karaoke bars, although Japanese citizens and industries are practicing social distancing where they can. Nor have the Japanese broadly embraced contact tracing, a practice by which health authorities identify someone who has been infected and then attempt to identify everyone that person might have interacted with—and potentially infected. So how does Japan do it?”

    It is actually very simple how the Japanese were able to accomplish this.

    Virtually everyone in the entire country is wearing a mask when they go out in public.

    Yes, it is just that simple.

    In addition, a number of studies have found that mortality rates are much, much lower for those that have a sufficient level of Vitamin D in their systems.

    Ultimately, we could have avoided so much pain and suffering if everyone had just been willing to wear masks and if everyone had been taking plenty of Vitamin D.

    But instead of focusing on these basic common sense solutions, the mainstream media continues to push the fear button, and now Congress is considering a bill which would spend 100 billion dollars “to create an army of contact tracers”…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/why-does-mainstream-media-seem-so-desperate-keep-covid-19-lockdowns-going

    #58714
    zerosum
    Participant

    How to be successful, make friends,
    appear intelligent, wise, knowledgeable,
    appear to be an enabler for the elite

    1. Express what the majority believes. (Don’t tell the truth)

    2. Don’t express your true opinion. (Tell Lie)

    3. Don’t accept responsibility. (Only take credits)

    4. Be positive ( Ignore negatives)

    ——–
    “to create an army of contact tracers”…

    To be hiring from the +30 million unemployed that were earning the lowest income.

    Surely, this “army of contact tracers”, will have the capability of functioning effectively with the minimum of training, instruction and supervision.

    #58715
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Prices overall went down significantly, but food prices went up significantly.

    The BLS reports consumer prices are in negative territory for the month with both the CPI and core CPI in negative territory.

    The Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U) declined 0.8 percent in April on a seasonally adjusted basis, the largest monthly decline since December 2008.

    Food indexes rose in April, with the index for food at home posting its largest monthly increase since February 1974.

    https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/cpi-and-core-cpi-in-rare-negative-territory

    #58716

    Docs,

    A novel approach from a group of doctors from across the US appears to focus on inflammation prevention, letting the body itself fight the virus, rather than the inflammation it causes. Steroids and Vit. C. Simple really. An approach that’s not even COVID specific, far as I can see.

    #58718
    John Day
    Participant

    Hi Ilargi,
    The right thing to do is massive testing on demand, with quick turnaround, and treatment for any sign of systemic illness, not just in the nose, but fever, diarrhea, feeling terrible, or shortness of breath.
    hydroxychloroquine and zinc early is key. I personally, would add azithromycin if there is any reduction in oxygen saturation or other sign of pneumonia.
    It’s not just China doing big testing, it’s CUBA!
    Has capitalism no reflex to save-face?
    http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/05/tao-flips-out.html

    Charles Hugh Smith reflects on our current moment in human history, and maybe, evolution…
    As Jackson Browne put it: Don’t think it won’t happen just because it hasn’t happened yet.
    ​ ​We can summarize all that will unfold in the next few years in one line:
    The way of the Tao is reversal.
    This is the opening line of Chapter 40 of Lao Tzu’s 5,000-character commentary on the Tao, The Tao Te Ching.
    https://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay20/Tao-reversal5-20.html

    ​The Reflex of Obedience:​
    ​ ​Anxiety is a widespread phenomenon that often accompanies people from the earliest days of childhood until old age. It is part of life and has many causes. When unscrupulous despots – whether medieval popes, modern dictators or so-called philanthropists – stir up this everyday fear from outside, they are concerned with satisfying their own greed for power and subjugating the peoples. In doing so they are “doing the work of the devil”.
    Most people react to this diabolical “game” of the rulers with a reflex of obedience or even with unconditional submission.

    The Diabolical “Game” with Fear as an Instrument of Domination. The Reflex of Obedience

    ​Alastair Crooke discusses what is actually the opening of political discourse in the USA:
    ​ ​Today, there are two irreconcilable visions of American life. After 1992, the two parties alternated presidents every eight years. Yet, with each succeeding administration, the political milieu has grown yet more rancorous and divided. There is no relationship between parties now — save as sworn enemies, Vlahos observes.
    ​ ​On the one side, we have ‘Unionists’, who expect public deference towards the judgements and authority of the élite technocracy (whether financial or medical), and on the other, a tradition of state sovereignty, dating back to the 1871 (the Articles of Confederacy), which grant no deference towards the Federal authorities – but rather is suffused with disdain for them. Hence the culture of (often armed) militia, ready to fight ‘the Feds’ for their ‘liberties’.
    ​ ​This latter touches a deep skein of emotion: the ancient fight against the tentacles of the British Imperial Octopus to secure America’s ‘liberties’. Thus, lockdown, and the medical world’s dire predictions necessitating economic shut-down, smack of ‘another agenda’ (the octopus agenda) – a backdoor, by which the globalists can complete their (imagined) project to feudalise an otherwise free people.

    On the Battleground of the Virus, The Fox Laughs Last

    ​The Governor of New Jersey institutes a ramp-up in contact tracing, and seems to say that people who were in contact with a coronavirus case will be confined to home, and not allowed to shop for food, if they do not submit to mandatory testing.​
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/nj-governor-residents-covid-test-deniers-will-not-be-allowed-leave-home-get-groceries

    Both Marjorie and Jenny came across this very useful article about how to assess risk of airborn coronavirus spread as we traverse the microenvironments of our lives.
    When assessing the risk of infection (via respiration) at the grocery store or mall, you need to consider the volume of the air space (very large), the number of people (restricted), how long people are spending in the store (workers – all day; customers – an hour). Taken together, for a person shopping: the low density, high air volume of the store, along with the restricted time you spend in the store, means that the opportunity to receive an infectious dose is low. But, for the store worker, the extended time they spend in the store provides a greater opportunity to receive the infectious dose and therefore the job becomes more risky.
    Basically, as the work closures are loosened, and we start to venture out more, possibly even resuming in-office activities, you need to look at your environment and make judgments. How many people are here, how much airflow is there around me, and how long will I be in this environment. If you are in an open floorplan office, you really need to critically assess the risk (volume, people, and airflow). If you are in a job that requires face-to-face talking or even worse, yelling, you need to assess the risk.
    If you are sitting in a well ventilated space, with few people, the risk is low.
    If I am outside, and I walk past someone, remember it is “dose and time” needed for infection. You would have to be in their airstream for 5+ minutes for a chance of infection. While joggers may be releasing more virus due to deep breathing, remember the exposure time is also less due to their speed.
    https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

    Extra bonus picture of Jenny, garden and tomatoes at blog

    #58731

    From David Crowe’s “The Infectious Myth” (pdf chapter (2020) about the SARS “pandemic” of 2003)
    Quotes I’ve chosen are from cited articles, with references provided in the chapter.

    “It was also found that the total dosage of the steroid prednisolone was the leading risk factor for osteonecrosis, the destruction of bones within the body. When it occurred it was about a hundred days after steroid therapy was terminated and often involved major bones such as the hips and femur. One study found that more than 30 percent of SARS patients experienced this devastating disorder and another found it in over 40 percent.”

    “When the patient looked like he was dying, one of the treatments given in desperation was even higher doses of methylprednisolone. One month after being quarantined with chills and a fever he was dead with fungus spread throughout his body.”

    [“Therapeutic dose of methylprednisolone includes ≤40 mg/day, 80–160 mg/day, or ≥240 mg/day (intravenously once a day)”]
    “Our results show that corticosteroids may be of limited benefit in the suppression of chemokine production by SARS-CoV-infected cells.”

    OTOH:
    I was put on prednisone after a severe asthma attack following a bad cold.
    I HATED the stuff- it made me want to bite off heads.
    I do, however, save my lightweight asthma corticosteroid for whenever it feels like a cold has dropped to my lungs, and it works. I hope they are using minimal doses.

    Stay distant while your face is masked,
    For demons lurk in every breath.
    Seclusion is our only task:
    We give up up Life to banish death.

    #58732
    Huskynut
    Participant

    John Day
    hydroxychloroquine and zinc early is key.
    Unless it is contraindicated by the specific genetic background of the individual – see my post yesterday.
    I’m reminded of the story in one of the populist books a few years back where one of the ER departments of a major US hospital (Chicago?) replaced the practice of triage based on individual MD response with a strict heuristic flowchart based on aggregated best practice and saw their stats improve.
    We have ample data by now around successful treatment strategies (not that we should stop developing new ones). We don’t actually have a medical problem – an outbreak yes, but not a problem by historical standards.
    The problems we have (in terms of creating an accurate “problem statement”) are almost entirely political and in communication. Society is hysterical. Both metaphorically and literally hysterical.

    #58733
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    “hydroxychloroquine and zinc early is key. Unless it is contraindicated by the specific genetic background of the individual.”

    That article yesterday was based on this assertion:
    “I looked at the drugs that can cause severe hemolysis in G6PD deficiency and got really scared. One of the substances that is called very dangerous in all forms of this enzyme deficiency is the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ).”

    A quick search for evidence indicated that this assertion is false.
    There is evidently a related problem with Chloroquine (CQ), but not with Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ).

    One drug commonly associated with hemolytic anemia in G6PD deficiency is … chloroquine.

    Should this be a concern in the present debate over treating COVID-19 patients? In my opinion, yes. G6PD deficiency is rather common; in fact, it is the second most common human enzyme defect, affecting some 400 million people worldwide. It affects 1 in 10 African-American males in the U.S…

    Given the challenges of knowing who may or may not have G6PD deficiency, it would seem prudent not to use chloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients who may be at risk for this genetic condition. The last thing they need is to have a serious respiratory disease compounded by hemolytic anemia, resulting in further loss of oxygenation.

    Hydroxychloroquine, on the other hand, does not induce hemolytic anemia in people with G6PD deficiency despite the molecular similarity to chloroquine. It has shown effectiveness in inhibiting the pandemic coronavirus during in vitro testing.

    Chloroquine Is Not a Harmless Panacea for COVID-19
    — There’s a real safety concern with malaria drug

    by Dan J. Vick MD, DHA, MBA, CPE March 23, 2020
    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85552

    Is Hydroxychloroquine Safe for Patients with G6PD Deficiency?

    There is no data to support the withholding of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) therapy among African American patients with glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD), according to the results of a recent review.

    The researchers conducted a retrospective chart review that included 275 patients with a measured G6PD and HCQ usage (84% of patients were female and 46% were African American).

    Of the 275 patients, 32% were diagnosed with lupus, 29% with rheumatoid arthritis, and 14% with inflammatory arthritis. Only 4% of patients were G6PD deficient, all of which were African American.

    Overall, there were no incidents of hemolysis reported in over 700 months of HCQ exposure among the 11 G6PD-deficient patients. Two G6PD-deficient patients experienced hemolysis during severe lupus flares that occurred while not taking HCQ.

    “This is the largest study to date evaluating G6PD deficiency with concurrent use of HCQ,” the researchers concluded. “These data do not support routine G6PD level measurement or withholding HCQ therapy among African American patients with G6PD deficiency.”

    https://www.consultant360.com/exclusives/hydroxychloroquine-safe-patients-g6pd-deficiency

    #58734
    Huskynut
    Participant

    Thanks for the response Doc R.
    Despite those reports, I’m not ready to dismiss this potential link just yet. 11 patients is not a bigsample set, and in context with the extreme risk aversion around Covid (ie “everyone hide in their homes..”) it would seem wise to be careful in prescribing HCQ to G6PD-deficient patients.
    Blacks and males seem to be statistically at greater risk, and this may be a contributing mechanism (noting correlation is not causality).

    #58735
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    So I got me test results back, negative, and therefore I am back in the office today. For 24 hours I was under a strict quarantine. Ordered not to take public transportation or a taxi. Ordered not to stop anywhere on the way home. No groceries, no pharmacy, no convenience store, no takeout, no bank, nothing. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. And once home, do not go out until the test results come out. Not even to walk the dog around the block.

    It sure did feel different for a day.

    So instead of a strict lockdown, why don’t Western countries adopt the Eastern approach? Starting with everyone wearing a mask to go inside any public establishment. Putting hand sanitizer bottles everywhere. And checking temperatures to enter hotels, offices buildings, and other confined spaces with large numbers of people. Or is it just too difficult to get everyone on the same page — like herding cats?

    #58736
    WES
    Participant

    Up here in Toronto the wearing of masks is about a 50:50 affair at best.

    New Canadian, mostly young, are the least likely to wear masks.

    (The very cold wintery spring weather probably played the biggest role in locking down people.)

    That is why Ontario’s lockdown has not been a great success at bending the curve.

    It was at best a half ass lockdown.

    Since the lockdown wasn’t working very well, the politicians have to open up the economy now or voters will figure out the lockdown wasn’t working and punish the politicians.

    #58737
    Huskynut
    Participant

    I read a great piece on Lockdownskeptics.org today, which I’ll quote in full:

    I guess for me the issue with a word like madness is whether we are talking about madness in the strict social psychological sense of the word, or whether this whole debacle is driven by something a little closer to textbook clinical anxiety. Le Bon’s mad crowds were driven by irrationality and active aggression. But what I see during this lockdown are crowds driven by anxiety; that is a form of hyper-rationality that causes total passivity. People who are rational (i.e. clinically normal) see risk and are prepared to live alongside it (“Okay, I COULD die of BSE; but I’m still going to eat beef because I like it”); but people who are hyper-rational (i.e. suffer from anxiety) can’t let go of that slim statistical chance that they might be the one tragic case to die/suffer from X. So rather than mad crowds full of violence and action, we’ve ended up with hyper-rational crowds that don’t want a fight… they want to hide! You can deal with mad crowds by bringing out the army. But how do you deal with hyper-rational crowds? Reasoned argument won’t work, because ultimately, they can turn any fact, model or statistic around and show you that, actually, statistically, they’re very vulnerable and could very well die/suffer at any moment. This type of thing has been bubbling away in millennial cancel culture for a while now (to “cancel” of course being to undertake an entirely passive action that prevents engagement with anything you perceive as having the potential to “harm” you). For me, what’s changed during this coronavirus outbreak is that governments have suddenly started to feed this hyper-rational anxiety like never before: “You could die. You might die. We understand. It’s okay to wet yourself. But wear PPE. Sure, stay at home. Hide. Under the bed if it makes you feel better. Here, have some free money. Bleach your carpets. Cry. Sob too. Buy a ventilator. Ebay do them. Stay safe. That’s an order.” And what’s resulted is an utterly dysfunctional society that will give some people a free pass from being proper members of society for years to come.

    Taleb’s over-promotion of his theories outside the boundary where they can be usefully applied contributes directly to the what is beautifully characterised as “hyper-rationality”.

    #58738
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    Huskynut, I can say that the perspective you shared is very specific to Western individualistic thinking. If you were to offer that to a Korea or a Japanese or a Thai, they would not be able to identify with it at all, and probably also have trouble understanding the point the author was trying to make. I think part of it is being in a society where it is considered wrong to think of yourself first. You have to think of the group. Your family. Your co-workers. The whole country. Although people here do take selfish actions, it is shameful to do so. So the mindset here is more on what is good for the group, for everyone.

    Among Western societies, I think the one that is the most fearful is the US, and I think that has something to do with the US healthcare system. In the US is it not just that “slim statistical chance that they might be the one tragic case to die/suffer from X” but also the risk of bankruptcy to boot. I think there is a lot more confidence in those Western countries that make an effort to protect everyone’s health.

    #58752
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Boogaloo, the system is no better: instead of abandoning the group for the individual, they trample the individual in favor of the group. As we see with arrests and disappearances, lives crushed and made small. They’re entitled to their ways, doesn’t bother me at all, but it works no better and possibly worse. And CV medical is already universally Federally covered for a month or more, am I wrong?

    Hyperrational people are unreachable. Clearly. Counterintuitively, facts have no effect on the hyper-rational because they are being driven entirely by emotion. That is to say, they are completely ir-rational. If you’re provably irrational, are you insane? In a way. Although we all are less than sane to some degree or another. That’s why they have to go through the process on their own, and we have to let them. Only when they’ve destroyed everything for nothing will they question, and probably not then.

    So the U.N.’s 25 Million deaths by starvation because of the response? Will that do it? Wouldn’t count on it.

    #58753
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Why doesn’t Marquette, Michigan, (population 20,000), use the same procedures as Tokyo?
    MI2
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquette,_Michigan#/media/File:Downtown_Marquette,_Michigan_in_Autumn_(43657514144).jpg (Will either picture load?)

    Why doesn’t Jackson, Wyoming (pop 10,000) use the same rules as NYC?

    WY2
    https://acdn.list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/23-6.jpg

    I don’t think anyone would need to answer that question because it’s self-evident. Because the number of deaths in Wyoming is 7. 0.001% One size does not fit all. But if a tree falls in Brooklyn, 3,000 counties need to burn down, and by God they’ll come make sure it does.

    I read an article that if the lockdown ended, people wouldn’t go out. So? Fine, let them. I’m not going to MAKE them leave their homes, MAKE them shop: it’s a free country. Please don’t. However, it’s the exact opposite when you PREVENT someone from going out, putting them under house arrest without charges or adjudication. That’s the opposite of freedom and 1,000 years of western law.

    If they want to wear masks, let them. Wear them for the rest of their life if they want, doesn’t bother me because I DON’T EXIST TO TELL OTHERS WHAT TO DO. However, they do not return the favor. It’s literally impossible to be left alone. The government is then fighting the people, thinking it knows better than its own paymaster and employer. What sense does it make for the servant to order the master? They can live just fine with me, however, they won’t return the favor and allow me to live. Am I kidding? They tracked down campers in the Outback and dragged surfers out of the ocean, miles from anyone, just to control them, just to not leave them alone. They lie awake nights worrying, somebody, somewhere isn’t obeying orders. Somebody isn’t under control. Somewhere somebody is thinking thoughts. And I must find them and MAKE them. Everyone must be part of my ego. Everyone must be EXACTLY like me. Be me or I’ll kill you. That’s diversity! That’s tolerance! That’s Love! (For Narcissists with Borderline Personality Disorder)

    And what if you’re wrong and the number is 25 million deaths short? What then? Because that already just happened.

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