Debt Rattle August 29 2024
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what we are living ain’t no ism you ever ismed.
this is brand new ism.
communism wanted to borgifiy you.
capitalism wanted to exploit you.
brandnewism wants you gone.capitalism is:
do something or make something that other people would willingly pay you for
without coercion and without lies
To a marxist, calling capitalism exploitative is Pragmatic*
(Pragmatic – what advances Marxism. Anything that doesn’t advance Marxism is NOT pragmatic. ANY act, no matter how dishonest, underhanded, immoral, if it advances Marxism is Pragmatic.)
A lot of relatively smart people have noticed and commented on the fact that the bad guys “psychologically project” quite a bit. Like almost always. You know the drill. Whatever crime they’re committing they will accuse the good guys of doing.
But I wonder how many people have noticed that they also “Copy Cat” the outward words, logical arguments and appearances associated with the good stuff. They PRETEND (precisely the way that a film actor pretends) to be all of the good things that are actually sane and sensible. Sometimes this is as blatantly absurd as “duplicating” and then feeding back to the accuser the self-same words and arguments that the accuser just used to accurately describe the miscreant. Just amazing, really, because some of those psychopathic sociopaths are almost perfect in their performance. The only thing that gives them away is the fruits of their labor, which are uniformly bad and often grisly.
I suppose that kind of behavior is just to be expected from psychos, but it’s still startling when you see it. Deeply disturbing, actually. “Say it ain’t so, Joe!”
ok,
how about this: please name one nation state that operates under a capitalist or communist system.
how about this: please name one nation state that operates under a capitalist or communist system.
Humans are social animals. They survive in and as a society.
What Marxism, Communism, and Socialism try to do is be communal WITHOUT capitalism.
But capitalism is, in 4 words: HONORABLE SERVICE TO OTHERS
Currency – money – is the social credit system. You, a 16 year old, mow your 80 year old neighbor’s lawn to contribute to society. He gives you social credit points as a result.
Marxists/Socialists/Communists HATE this super-adaptive, actually-functional Ai social credit system because they cannot stand your 80 year old neighbor assigning social credit points on their own recognizance, nor the 16 year old kid using those points how HE chooses. (awarding some OTHER good person in their turn…)
The mistake of Marxism, Communism, and Socialism:
1. Humans survive as members of a society
2. Service to others is THE necessary component to human life
3. Capitalism is service to othersEVERY time they try to subtract service to others and be collective without it, millions of people die.
To ANY extent that capitalism – ie, service to others – functions, human life does not entirely die out.
Is Disney Capitalist or Socialist or Communist because what ever they are
They’re no longer actually turning a profit
Their “product” serves another Master
A Woketurd Master by the looks of it….The map is not the territory. The noun is not the person, place or thing. The label is not the pickles.
And Marxism, Communism, Capitalism, Socialism, and every other frigginism you’ve got the time to waste reeling off like a shopping list is none of the above.
Left to their own devices, humans naturally assemble into families, clans and tribes. When subjected to the self-serving devices of strangers humans tend to go wacko in all sorts of ways which then get the “-ism” suffix tacked onto its label just before being tossed into the waste-bin of history.
Profit is just another word for taking more than you gave, which is another way of saying stealing, and works about as well in the long run. Karma, Cause & Effect, Truth, Justice, and basic arithmetic support the same basic conclusion, as does the world around you at the present moment.
The Punch & Judy Hegelian Dialectic via Media Whores & Presstitutes
We’ve got you covered, we have your backs and your fronts
OMG I’m hosed!
@Dr D:
And they used to say Bush could eat a baby on the White House lawn, thanks to the media. Then others have too, Trump said he could punch someone on 5th Avenue? Murder. On national TV. No one remembers. No interest. Nothing is “real.” That is, we’ve been trained so long to act and react to TV, words, all that, that we lost skill and habit to react to, say that bus swerving at us. It seems like an abstraction. I’ve seen buses swerving all the time! (A thousand times, on the blue screen.) Abstractions. Words. That is, lies. So flooded over and overwhelmed that the real is now lost in the shuffle and overlooked, vanished in the thick of thin things. What’s real? Not enough checks to reach the end of the month, that’s something you might motivate about.
And there you have it…perhaps the largest facet of my antipathy to video expressed in about sixteen walnut shells.
Profit is just another word for taking more than you gave, which is another way of saying stealing
No, profit is the morally, ethically good and desirable thing you want your fellow human being to acquire.
It is your greatest hope for them.
The 16 year old, when he did a social good by mowing his 80 year old neighbor’s lawn, made a profit.
I have gladdening news for you. That 16 year old, now 27, INCREASED his profits! He has become even more moral, more excellent, more good.
The social credit points his 80 year old neighbor awarded to him were because, due to his lawn-mowing activity, he was identified as a good person who would do good for the collective with his resources.
He is now mowing half the town’s lawns! Helping lots and LOTS of people now, where before he got his start with just helping one.
He’s even MORE moral now!
His path to this higher morality were the initial profits he got from his one neighbor. Then several nearby people. Eventually, half the town began awarding him social credit score points for his goodness.
He’s doing even MORE social good with the social credit score his fellow humans awarded him by buying his own house, marrying a wife, enabling her to stay home and raise their children in an good and truly decent fashion. He was even able to send them to a private school where they aren’t taught any marxist principles, but rather, practical skills and knowledge, even valid, non pernicious philosophies and beliefs!
All from The People, each of their own free will, not just paying him at-cost, but giving him enough social credit points to INCREASE his moral, community-helping activity.
And now he even has 3 children, inculcated in his beliefs, someday to go into the world and do likewise, having children of their own in like fashion. Better and better! Ever more virtuous and good!
Dmitry Orlov was asked if the world was at a ‘turning point’ and he said no, “It has already turned”
It’s turned away from the West
“The West is this weird, dangling Thing flaying away at itself randomly and there’s no one whose going to put it out of it’s misery, except itself…..”
Dmitry Orlov: West Collapsing On Itself, Rest of World Moving On
@jb_hb
There is a very deep and genuine need for words to mean things. Especially on a discussion forum.”
I agree with your statement completely. 100%. So let’s discus it. First of all, I think it is vitally important that the parties involved agree to what the meaning of a particular word is before they start arguing about whether its good, or bad, or useless. It gets pretty comical (or emotionally heated) if the parties involved in a debate are basically lauding and decrying the virtues and flaws of something that they both call “communism” or “capitalism” or “profit:”, when in their own minds the parties are looking at completely different things, and yet giving it the same name.
They’re not merely not on the same page, they’re in different dictionaries of different languages.
Take the word “profit” for example. I’m using the definition found in finance, money and economics literature. Which definition are you using? Let’s discuss it.
Big Tech to the rescue. I went to the net and the following chat with CoPilot AI is what I came up with:
I ask CoPilot AI :
Here’s a tough one for you What does the word profit mean?
Copilot
Co-Pilot AI responds:
The word profit has a few meanings, depending on the context:
1. As a noun:
Financial gain: The difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something. For example, if you sell a product for $100 and it cost you $60 to make, your profit is $40.
Advantage or benefit: Any kind of gain or benefit, not necessarily financial.
2. As a verb:
To gain financially: To obtain a financial advantage or benefit, especially from an investment.
To benefit: To gain an advantage or benefit from something. For example, a company might profit from a new product launch, meaning they earn more money than they spent on developing and marketing the product.I ask CoPilot AI:
Does that nean if I benefit (morally or socially for example) from losing money in a transaction that I have made a profit?
Copilot
CoPilot respinds:
That’s an interesting question! In a broader sense, profit can indeed refer to any kind of gain or benefit, not just financial. So, if you gain something valuable like moral satisfaction, social connections, or personal growth from a transaction where you lost money, you could say you profited in a non-financial way.
For example, donating to a charity might result in a financial loss, but the moral satisfaction and positive social impact you gain could be considered a form of profit.
Does that make sense? ?I reply to CoPilot AI:
It makes ambiguity. The statement raises but does not address the question of which of the two types of profit is of more benefit to the individual who participated in them?
Copilot
CoPilot AI responds:
That’s a great point! The benefit of financial versus non-financial profit can indeed vary depending on the individual’s values, goals, and circumstances.
Financial Profit: This is often more tangible and measurable. It can provide immediate benefits like increased wealth, financial security, and the ability to invest in future opportunities. For many businesses and individuals, financial profit is crucial for sustainability and growth.
Non-Financial Profit: This includes moral satisfaction, social connections, personal growth, and other intangible benefits. These can be incredibly valuable in terms of personal fulfillment, mental well-being, and long-term happiness. For some, these benefits might outweigh financial gains, especially if they align with personal values or lead to a greater sense of purpose.
Ultimately, the type of profit that is more beneficial depends on what the individual values more at that particular time. Some might prioritize financial stability, while others might find greater satisfaction in non-financial gains.
Which type of profit do you think is more important in your current situation?DBS, Look at that definition of Pragmatism again. Sadly, the meme-plex of cognitohazards on the other side has no intention of having a discussion. They might “start a conversation” for pragmatism, but There Shall Be No Discussion.
I’m typing characters on a keyboard to COMMUNICATE with you.
A person can type characters on a keyboard to DO THINGS to you.
For example, I could type out a bunch of malware, and while you keep trying to have an open, honest, earnest discussion with me, I keep posting “answers” that are actually hyperlinks to trojans, worms, keyloggers, etc. which I hope you accidentally click on.
But you have to be NICE, DBS. You have to. You have to treat my every post as IF it were discussion! Because I am going to Hold You To Your Own Rules.
YOU type in characters. I typed all my malware, my fake discussion hyperlinks, ALSO in characters.
I therefore reason they are equal materials being posted to the forum. (chortling up my sleeve, sneering, knowing they are not) And if you claim there are differences, then how dare you. And if you have the gall to REMEMBER me trying to get you to download a trojan 1 month ago, how dare you and how dare you be so petty.
I’ve made clear I’m not a GI Generation or Boomer Mcarthyist John Birch Society Republican – I am coming at this as an atheist leftist horribly disappointed in Communism, lamenting its evil, irrational, antilife path, wishing it could have been something else. Discussion would be NICE.
It is, unfortunately, lamentably, a mistake to assume, as a point of generosity, as an unconscious, obligatory rule, that “They’re just like us.” To assume there is a rule that you must PRETEND that even if it isn’t true or YOU will be a big meanie is incredibly toxic and antilife, antireality.
It is a measure of how committed we all have been to this unspoken rule that we now, as a kneejerk reaction, very swiftly, talk about operating within THEIR definitions, their vocabulary.
Any communists – or anti-anti-communists – are welcome to lay out their terms in detail.
But… THAT. ISN’T. PRAGMATIC.
I will: There has never been any nation all Socialist or all Capitalist, nor will there ever be.
Moreover, ALL nations I’m aware of are a mid-line hybrid of “Captialism”, “Socialism” and “Fascism” they call “Liberal Market Economies” that are neither Liberal, nor have Markets with price discovery.
Yes, that makes things difficult to define and talk about. Let’s pretend when we say this, we are talking about nations on a continuum — which is normal in Reality — and no absolutes. Generally speaking, America 1800 to 1880 was generally Capitialist, as were many others. Generally, the Soviet Union was modern Socialist, broadly speaking.
“Profit” I think is the wrong textbook definition. It certainly doesn’t mean morality. It’s payment minus overhead. Since the kid mowed the lawn had gas, amortization, etc, but generally he had low overhead. Therefore all his earnings were “Profit”. What’s his “Profit”? His dollars per hour, wages. Same for a company, actually.
What can he DO with them? Either good or evil, as all men. …And same as a company, actually. Because that’s an aggregate of men, and not some magic transformation into a dragon or something. WHY does he need “Profit”? Besides that he’d never lift a finger unless there was a reason (a reason certain systems can’t seem to understand) it’s so he has $500 so that WHEN THE MOWER BREAKS, he can buy a new one. That’s “Capital”, as in, “Capitalism”. The evil bastard! Doesn’t he know AFTER the mower breaks is when he should tax everyone? With zero forethought of this obvious inevitable end?
Now how DARE he have $500 in his account, slowly accrued over months, waiting for this obvious event. Doesn’t he know he should give that to the poors?!?
Now BECAUSE he has $500 — Capital — he also has OPTIONS. He can just wait for the mower to break, OR he might get lucky and it doesn’t, so that he can buy a BETTER mower and mow more lawns and go into long-term business doing a job other people apparently don’t want to do and will happily pay for. …And thn as you say, he makes even MORE profit. The Bastard! WHY does he have $5,000? Doesn’t he know he could feed the poors?!?
…Because a MORE expensive mower, like an industrial zero-turn, costs $5000 (actually 10k), and now THAT mower will inevitably break, a fact any moron can figure except parasites to feed off rich patrons and never worked a day. …You know, people like Karl Marx.
And then THAT allows him to get married and raise his kids in voluntary exchange with everyone in the neighborhood happy, not having to mow their lawns, and doing more important things. But wait: he’s not JUST saving for the inevitable failure of that mower, YOU BASTARD!!! He actually went out, got a nicer car now that he’s 30, and got braces for the kids when he could have been feeding the poors!!!. And how dare he? How dare he feed his own kids himself rather than other kids, while the parents of OTHER kids, then have to feed HIS kids, because he doesn’t. Because feeding your own kids is immoral, while feeding kids you don’t know, IS moral. Right!
Wait, this video will make it all clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLkhx0eqK5w
Denis Moore, purveyor of Lupins.
I will: There has never been any nation all Socialist or all Capitalist, nor will there ever be.
Moreover, ALL nations I’m aware of are a mid-line hybrid of “Captialism”, “Socialism” and “Fascism” they call “Liberal Market Economies” that are neither Liberal, nor have Markets with price discovery.
You were invited to step into a trap and you went ahead and stepped into it.
“All Capitalism” is an invitation for you to say perfect anarcho-capitalism worked somewhere and to try to defend it.
Moreover, it’s an invitation for you to implicitly agree that Captialism = “AnarchoCapitalism™” without overtly ASKING you to.
At that point you are wandering around inside their word-salad terminology.
capitalism:
make or do something that someone else would willingly pay you for
without coercion and without deceptionthere are a lot of implicit underlying bases for this state of affairs. Obviously one of which is a system of laws and someone to enforce it, because someone is going to try to coerce or lie.
If someone is engaging in coercion or deception OR using government to do so, makes no difference – “Stop, you fucker. you’re ruining my capitalism.”
I absolutely do NOT implicitly agree in any conversation or discussion that capitalism and government are mutually exclusive, opposites, or defined within marxist academic vocabulary.
Acquisitive Projective Identification covers the ‘acquisitive’ part of projection. You know where they the really leadere take full credit for what only they could imagine YOU Do and produce.
As in, CEO taps into stock options and 8-figure compensation OR a military CO stands before the formation as the spokesman for the unit and receives the lion’s share of credit by way of the Legion of Merit and Battle “E”. Only recently have we witnessed the phenomenon where E-8not9 Tim Walz and E-7never8or9 Navy’s mostmediocre Kevin Amick launched past all intermediate and higher steps, ranks to The Admiralty or its equivalent.
I suppose what Dr D is saying that IS a special form of genius…akin to the criminal mastermind on Rocky and Bullwinkle.They require an appreciative audience many of whom never considered themselves to be fools or dumbasses.
Yet, naever underestimate the crowd’s propensity to fall for the bullshit.
Does alcohol aid the process?
Other drugs?
Mass hypnosis?…as in the perps/narcs/”leaders who couldn’t lead their way out of wet paper bag TAKE ON THEIR TARGET’S/VICTIM’S traits, attributes and accomplishments.
The perps and narcs and self-ascribed “leaders” DO you better than you DO you Or so their followers profess.My case, always self-referential, passed the 7 year mark April 7 and reached the 8th milestone where the “broken neck” will be summarily dismissed because reasons bleated by an attorney. Ask John Day where he waited 1, 5, 7 years to obtain MRI studies on an assault victim later found to have severe cervical spinal stenosis from 3 herniated discs
The foundation is, was and ever shall be the mother of the autist that assaulted and battered me PROJECTED assailant status onto me and away from her son. “I’d do anything to keep my kid out of jail.”
Would you?
Would you do that, blame the only doctor that tried to help her combative, assaultive kid?
If so, how far would you go in your Monomaniacal pursuit of madness?@jb_hb
For reasons that are still considerably beyond my powers of comprehension I do not think in words. At all. I think conceptually first, which is then almost instantaneously converted into a private “movie” of the concept playing out in high-speed sequence of visual events, often with sounds, smells or other “diluted” sensations as needed.
When it comes down to communicating any of this to others I must then convert parts of that movie and concept into words, which is a seperate process all its own and usually takes quite a long time (compared to how fast the conceptualized part occured, which is nanoseconds at most.) Sometimes the word and sentence construction takes only seconds or minutes(that’s nice) but in most cases it consumes, hours, days or in some cases even years or decades to pop up as a well crafted and succinct statement of the original concept.
By this time I reckon that the sharper tacks in this box (TAE) have astutely concluded that I am perhaps more than a tad Aspergers. Maybe I am, but perhaps not. The jury is still out on that one. One of these years maybe the answer will pop into my consciousness in plain text. Until that time, alas, I must ask you to stick to plain English and a common dictionary.
Let me put this another way. Current-year marxists/socialists/communists are always meatsuiting everything. Always meatsuiting.
IMPLICIT in the “how about this: please name one nation state that operates under a capitalist or communist system,” there is a sliding linear scale on which Communism is 100%, capitalism is 0%, and socialism is somewhere in between.
In other words:
“I am That Thing You Love, now Kneel Before Zod.”
like, for free, with no exchange of value, without a fight.
You like Government Programs. I AM Government Programs. Kneel. To. Zod.
Fuck no. YOU are as much Government Programs as you are The Science. Back that shit ALL THE WAY UP and…. Make. The fucking. Argument.
Submit to us your argument that YOU are The Government Programs and we in our good time, judiciously, will review your request and let you know our finding yea or nay. Until then, it is NOT a basis for discussion.
Backup argument on my side is, okay, you are socialist. What % of GDP should be state run? Nobody takes up the question because if they lowball it, I’ll ask why they are not fighting to lower the % – to save Their Socialism. If they pick the current %, I can mock them saying – you already HAVE it! And if they pick a higher %, all onlookers will say holy cow what an insane number to quote.
So we’re supposed to choose communism-socialism-capitalism, but there ARE no socialists. Just communists and cowardly communists who nod along while someone else does the heavy lifting.
But that linear sliding scale doesn’t exist when my question is asked, it needs to disappear into oblivion, never was. Only to return for the “name a society” question.
Housekeeping
What accounts for the website substituting its version of my edited post…sometimes….partially….totally to the point the sentences and syntax appear to be gibberish almost like Dr D’s run-on sentences, paragraphs and chapters.
maybe guernsey’s totally capitalist. but they ain’t really a country.
heck, they don’t cut it for fifa and even puerto rico’s got a team with them.
God I love the intertubes.
From Xymphora, her words, editorially, in response to the appended article from Alethonews.
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This is actually looking more and more like a political stunt, with Durov conspiring with the French government to normalize the position of Telegram within globohomo, under the curation of French intelligence
….(I’ll add) or even if you invent your own superduper device after first fashioning a rudimentary lathe from your bare hands, you don’t get to become a billionaire without the help of The .GOV’T
The Gift of Discernment on full display, but wait…from the article.
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Social media creators cannot be held responsible for what other users do on their platforms
…or held accountable the debris, pollution and collateral destruction of the environment resulting from the Creator’s genius. The Creators, an interesting label (god-like?), create but even the Gov’t agrees the Creator is entitled to first dibs/divs on the profits and sole credit for the notoriety and fawning favorable press
France reveals its authoritarian nature by persecuting Pavel Durov
God the Father, Pavel The Creator
God the Son, Pavel the Persecuted, forsaken by the Father
What’s next, God the Holy Spirit, Pavel Durov the whimsical entity of the internet?“You over-educated motherfuckers sure do dish up some shitty word salad.”
Notice cb I interposed (-) where it belongs.
Hahaha!Having attended a couple institutions of nominally higher, nominally education, no one thinks teaching or education are going on.
And Christ, if God forbid you’re an autodidact, then how do you think that trait sits with officials at the same institutes of higher education?Do you think Tim Walz is a misunderstood autodidact?
Kevin Amick?
Dave Tam?
CNO Lisa Franchetti?
Pavel Durov?
Scott Ritter?
Dr d?
Don Ttump?Dr D Rich, I’m sick of listening to people who spent 1/2 of their life, sitting at a desk, listening to some retard/jerkoff who told them how the world works…telling me how the world works,
Ukrainian F-16 crashes, killing pilot, during Russian missile attack.
The aircraft went down amid a barrage of Russian missiles on Monday, killing pilot Oleksiy Mes.if i feel sorry for the people of cuba squished under the manyfist destiny of u.s. blockheads and blockades,
¿does that make me a communist sympathizer?
You words garner my respect and the fact you and I descend from the same people.
Thanks for the dialogue.Here’s anecdote as answer to someone’s comment about autodidacts as hairy knuckle daggers.
10 feet under the sand, SSGT Kenney needed rescuing. You see by the time my 2 corpsmen dragged me to the scene at a collapsed Iraqi bunker, all corpsmen and Marine fellows of Kenney passed on Kenney’s rescue.
“Hell, no such a stupid ass can get himself out. I’m not risking my butt for him” muttered several would be rescuers, fellow Marines.Me, I muttered the exact same things and dove headfirst down a rabbit hole (were there rabbits?) to the assistance of our Staff, euphemism for Staff Sergeant E-6.
There, 14 to 15 feet beneath the surface I surveyed the “inverted” Marines neurological status, immobilized his c-spine and affixed him to a backboard for extraction. John Day can tell the neuro assessment for a potential c-spine, spinal cord injury involves a rectal and/or genital exam.Guess where those skills are taught.
1. USNA Naval Science I, II, III, IV???
2. remember my lamentations about being saddled with finishing Hospital Corpsman Correspondence Course 1 and 2, a week before graduation. Do you think those 2 courses imposed as some sort of punishment on me by Shitbrains PREPARE me or my two witless corpsmen for Collapse Iraqi Bunker Rescue Operations and Spine Immobilization 101 & 102?
3. At the Nation’s Military Medical School during Operation Bushmaster? Hint: (ask that shitfucker Dave Tam CEO Beebe)
4. Here in Seward Pa wondering if my two Uncles who shared my bedroom, small house, while working the coal mines nearby. Do you think my Dad, the noted claustrophobic, and me would have volunteered as rescuers had my uncles been entrapped in a mine collapse?
However the decision to dive headlong into the task of rescuing Ssgt Kenney was motivated by my pact with God before I deployed. God, let me go home to my sick kid and I’ll save all injured Marines before so they go home first. And that fucking StaffSergeant was just about to ruin my record. Jerk
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