Debt Rattle June 26 2020

 

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  • #60534

    zerosum
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    Navel gazing
    https://www.bard.org/study-guides/shakespeares-audience-and-audiences-today
    SHAKESPEARE’S AUDIENCE AND AUDIENCES TODAY

    Shakespeare’s audience was perhaps not as well behaved as you are. Since the play was
    so long, people would leave their seats and go looking for food to eat and ale to drink
    during the performance, or perhaps go visit with their friends. Some playgoers, especially those who had saved up money to come and see the play, were extremely annoyed if they were unable to hear the actors and would tell rowdy audience members to quiet down.
    To get an idea of the cost of a ticket in today’s terms, consider that the average blue collar worker earned five to six pennies a day; bread for his midday meal cost a penny, ale cost another penny, and if he were lucky enough to have chicken for dinner, it cost two pennies. His rent was often a shilling (twelve pennies) a week, so there wasn’t much money left over for playgoing, nor would he have been able to take time off from work to go and see a play in the middle of the day, when they were usually performed.
    Shakespeare’s audience for his outdoor plays was the very rich, the upper middle class, and the lower middle class. The lower middle class paid a penny for admittance to the yard (like the yard outside a school building), where they stood on the ground, with the stage more or less at eye level—these spectators were called groundlings, (rifraf). The rich paid two pennies for entrance to the galleries, covered seating at the sides. The rich paid three pennies to sit in the higher galleries, which had a better view. The best seats were in the lords’ rooms, private galleries closest to the stage.

    #60535

    boscohorowitz
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    Considering how little anyone, rich or poor, bathed in those days, the rifraf might have had the best ‘seats’ in the house. Thanx, Z. That kind of cherry-topped my day.

    Art for art’s sake (the missing f’s are silent but deadly)

    #60536

    boscohorowitz
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    Here’s payment:

    Uncle Drunky

    #60537

    zerosum
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    Americans are not aware
    Modern Warfare by the USA

    https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14912
    US sanctions and Rosneft’s departure have also exacerbated fuel shortages in the South American country. In response, the Maduro government turned to Iran, which sent five fuel tankers in defiance of US threats. Tehran has vowed to continue supplying Caracas with gasoline.

    Additionally, Iran has also collaborated with equipment and experts in repairing Venezuelan refineries. According to oil industry union sources, the Cardon refinery, part of the country’s largest refining complex, was reactivated last week and is currently processing 50,000 crude barrels a day out of a maximum 300,000 bpd capacity.
    (more ….)

    #60538

    boscohorowitz
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    “US sanctions and Rosneft’s departure have also exacerbated fuel shortages in the South American country. In response, the Maduro government turned to Iran, which sent five fuel tankers in defiance of US threats. Tehran has vowed to continue supplying Caracas with gasoline.”

    I assume Russia still has their back but prefers to not providfe an excuse for insane USA accusations, etc. I see Iran being given a chance to strut its stuff for the non-USA world.

    Funny. I thought we’d withdraw most of our troops into Saudi Arabia as out final bit of empire by now. But apparently even that’s too dangerous for us now, else why bother with Venezuela’s xhitty low-grade oil?

    #60541

    Dr. D
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    I think you’ve nailed it: that type of pollution happens largely because of transport. Local production = a tiny paper box for your berries, or not even that if the market vendor keeps it. Probably much else in that, as, how much spent in machines and parts for transport, in roads and bridges for transport, in retail paving 1,000 acres to vend the transported?

    …And back to one, if Dean’s tariffs are put on, we also can’t enslave and pollute, ship garbage somewhere else and pretend we don’t know it’s not being re-used.

    Parents: clearly they don’t care if the vaccine “works”; that’s not the point. If they cared about anything, they wouldn’t ship cases to nursing homes and demand people get into the streets. I’m pretty sure it won’t work, and they’ll be “accidents”. Or is that, accidentally reducing annoying populations how it does “work”?

    Why bother with oil? Technical reasons: the refineries cannot be easily adjusted and must mix our light oil/liquids with their very heavy crude to make marketable sale. If V goes offline, our refineries do too, in a way. Therefore, they must control the STABILITY of that oil, and its price, to make the U.S. end work correctly. Even though the equipment and profits are here, it can’t work correctly without them. V is in the same position, though. Without some light to mix with, and the exact right refineries to crack it, they have a lot of road tar and no gas to drive on it.

    I disagree, but that makes no matter. I also feel under the lies, there IS something with Iran, V, and a few others. Notice how all the present bad players, Strzok, DeBlasio, Jarett, are not just from the CIA, but from the IRANIAN stationed CIA? How many of those punks could there be on earth? And all of them are at the top, all pulling the same direction? And we know BP set up Iran in ’56, but then who suddenly toppled the West with clean impunity, which has never been done that I can find? Just some clerics with cassette tapes and no intel structure one day? Doubt it. Would believe, for example, that France was annoyed and got back in to push UK/BP out, but it doesn’t fit later facts. That leaves some 3rd subterranean power bloc I can’t define. If there is such a one, then as corporations are as a cloud, circling the earth borderless, then this borderless power bloc hovers, travels, and is in many nations too.

    Strange? We have the CIA/Derp State/MI6 working seamlessly, and include 5 Eyes, Saudi, and Israel. They are essentially one group with tight, interlocking interests. So why wouldn’t there be a tight, interlocking power bloc in Iran/Ven and a few places? And although certain blocs here might like them and their position on the board (causing war tensions for profit) they may legitimately be against and financing, undermining American, that is, the “peoples’” interests. Or so it seems from their actions. That’s why I’m uncharacteristically soft on these sanctions, but pretty hard on transparency and law at home. For instance: almost certain there’s a hidden breakaway state in Iran military. …You know, just like there is in the U.S.? We see every day in the news who attack the legitimate, elected government and all the people who voted for it? So V may be more like 90% breakaway with a 10% layer of actual government on top instead of vice versa as here or Iran.

    Doesn’t make it legal or right, though. I’m still against it.

    #60554

    zerosum
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    USA sees virus resurgence

    WHO warns virus resurgence in Europe has begun

    Virus resurgence seen around world

    #60559

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    The role of Venezuelan heavy/sour oil is significant but not irreplacable, which replacement is already in progress. As for the main geopolitics driving our relations with places like Venezuela, Iran, Outer Barsoom, god knows who, seems to me there’s one basic driver: everyone hates us, no one trusts us, and increasingly aren’t scared of us. Yankees are going home, with covid as handy spur and cover.

    I find myself tending to see our spat with Venezuela today as more of a Falkland Isles symbolic power show (a pathetic show but nonetheless) than anything with significant strategy behind it. Yeah, it will cost the complex oil refineries more to do replace Venezuelan oil with other sources. I see it prmarily as denialism on the part of empire. We lose face and strategic advantage with (seemingly) every military/espionage intervention we make these days, including our digital crucifixion of Assange.

    Trump seems to sign of our times: a man who would cut off his nose to spite his face.

    Re: Iran: The deposal of the Shah was not dependent, I feel, on covert foreign meddling. It was reaction against foreign meddling. I recall well-to-do Iranians in the states protesting on colleges in 1975-77.

    If one is looking for nefarious players beside/behind the throne, this archive from the NYT back when it was still grey not black, offers some places to look:

    Why Carter Admitted the Shah to the States

    The Iranian coup in 1953 (not ’56) was far more internally driven than the glory boys of the old CIA like to make it seem. Oh, they were involved, but mostly they got lucky. It almost didn’t happen. Been awhile since I read that book, but the CIA is mostly the entity that runs failed stunts like Bay of Pigs or the War on Terror shit shows. The notorious color revolutions of recent times have hardly held even when we used massive military force beside them. Russia still has Crimea and the eastern third of Ukraine, Georgia is barely within our sphere despite gushing news articles claiming otherwise. We’re toast in the Middle East.

    I can believe that a few clerics with a few cassettes could’ve fomented a grassfire that reached up to the forest canopy once Carter let the Shah return to the States. Various foreign entities surely attached themselves to that momentum like ticks on a dog, but I’ve come to have little confidence in the alleged powers of backstage foreign players to turn things their way except by overt brute force.

    “On September 8, 1978, the shah’s security force fired on a large group of demonstrators, killing hundreds and wounding thousands. Two months later, thousands took to the streets of Tehran, rioting and destroying symbols of westernization, such as banks and liquor stores. Khomeini called for the shah’s immediate overthrow, and on December 11 a group of soldiers mutinied and attacked the shah’s security officers. With that, his regime collapsed and the shah fled.” (from link )

    They Got Mysticism in their Corner

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