September 21, 2021 at 9:05 am #87686
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[See the full post at: Debt Rattle September 21 2021]September 21, 2021 at 10:37 am #87688Polder DwellerParticipant
Although I am fully aware of the numbers of adverse reactions and deaths in the databases of VAERS, EudraVigilance and the MHRA Yellow Card system, I have to say that I don’t personally know anyone (yet) who has actually had a severe reaction to the jabs. That’s despite everyone around me being fully vaxxed with either Pfizer (the most) or AstraZeneca, plus I know one person who had the Janssen jab. Only one I know didn’t experience flu-like symptoms (aches and pains, fever), some of those were quite bad for a day or two.
In addition, I haven’t even heard of people talking about others who had problems. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t any, just that they either don’t know or didn’t tell me.
I wonder how this compares with everyone else’s experience here?September 21, 2021 at 10:53 am #87689
Well, two years ago, I would have had a very difficult time imagining myself making common cause with the likes of James O’Keefe and his Project Veritas, but here I am, so I may as well embrace it honestly. That said, I really have to wonder if O’Keefe would care this much if the death-jab were a Republican pet-project instead of a Democratic one? Let’s just say that I have my doubts and leave it at that.September 21, 2021 at 11:00 am #87690
IOW, would O’Keefe in the hypothetical situation I described be willing to take off and toss his “Team Red” hat into a bonfire the way I have with my “Team Blue” hat? Though admittedly, somebody such as O’Keefe would certainly be giving up a lot more by turning his coat than somebody such as myself.September 21, 2021 at 11:08 am #87691russellnblbsParticipant
Things getting spicey down here in Victoria aus. Working class revolt on the cards. Despite the horror of the times, the racial make up of the protesters warms the heart. The media tries to portal them as right wing neo nazis but it is obviously a mutl racial ,multicultural mix that is united by class. Australia’s undercurrent of racism is being eclipsed by solidarity among those resisting.September 21, 2021 at 11:37 am #87692
The media tries to portal them as right wing neo nazis but it is obviously a mutl racial ,multicultural mix that is united by class. Australia’s undercurrent of racism is being eclipsed by solidarity among those resisting.
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂September 21, 2021 at 11:59 am #87693John DayParticipant
Yesterday I spent a total of about 3 hours getting a homebound patient on oxygen to the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles, in my wife’s car, which she needed dropped off at work after that.
This patient had her Texas ID stolen. She is nobody without it. She has pretty severe anxiety.
We got it done, and I rode my bike home from Jenny’s school with the sort of reserve necessary when it is 100F and sunny in Texas. The patient has her temporary ID and the real one should come in the mail and be good until 2029.
It was nobody’s job in the world to do that. bureaucracy/technocracy does not really meet human needs. The nice lady ehlped wheel the oxygen tank to the curb as I wheeled the wheelchair. She was very helpful, and saw the level of stress and anxiety. She’s a human. I can tell.
I’m reposting that link Mr. House found, yet again. Also: Watch Bolsonaro and the UN this week.September 21, 2021 at 12:11 pm #87694
New Zealand police arrest pair trying to enter Auckland with ‘large amount’ of KFC
Harlan Sanders (who was never actually a “colonel” in any army) himself couldn’t have arranged a better advertisement. (I will admit KFC’s spicy chicken sandwich is pretty boss! And I usually detest fast-food.)September 21, 2021 at 12:14 pm #87695
Polder Dweller wrote: I have to say that I don’t personally know anyone (yet) who has actually had a severe reaction to the jabs. …In addition, I haven’t even heard of people talking about others who had problems. …I wonder how this compares with everyone else’s experience here?
I have reported the same experience here several times. Other than a colleague across the country whose very healthy 30-something daughter experienced some kind of paralysis event not long after being vaccinated, I know of nobody in my circles, nor anybody in their circles, who has suffered a debilitating reaction. I don’t doubt that they occur, but I am skeptical of the sheer volume being discussed in some of these posts. It’s difficult to simply say most covid deaths now are actually vaccine deaths–not without some conclusive evidence.
Just as minorities in the workplace have historically had to be super careful and extra achieving, I feel the position of people against these covid 19 vaccines are under so much scrutiny to begin with that any overstatements are immediately weaponized. That said, it is a patchwork of all kinds that is fighting the mainstream narrative on this, and that is the larger point. We need to be able to discuss this situation out in the open.
Leaving aside for a moment the issue of the outright harm created by vaccines, the known facts that everyone agrees on do not support in any way a mandate. They need to be used on the more extreme risk end, for people who are most suseptible to bad outcomes AND who want to take it. This is a small fraction of the population. The rest of us take this on with all the other weapons in the arsenal that have been helpful against this virus.
Yesterday I got censored. The manager of the local paper where I write a weekly column rejected my submission. This despite my quoting extensively from mainstream sources like AP and NPR. Rather than present it straight up as a Covid 19 piece, I attempted to diffuse it a bit by including it as part of a theme.
3 hours after I submitted, he wrote: Need to know what you mean by zoonotic — in reference to COVID-19. Never heard that before. Also–try to stay away from opinions on things like covid vaccines. Our papers have continually urged all to get vaccines. Check with me before you write on topics like that.
I wrote back: Nothing in there that takes any kind of position on vaccines at all. I did not offer any opinion, just reported the news from AP regarding the FDA developments, as well as the paper in the International Journal. (I then explained zoonotic.)
He wrote back: Actually–I am pulling the column. We need to know ahead of time when you plan to write about controversial topics.
My columns are long, but I will try to post it here in case anyone would like to see what can get you censored in a local rag.September 21, 2021 at 12:27 pm #87696
Here is my column for this week’s paper that got rejected. I put the vaccine program in with a number of other society-wide solutions by the government that did not have favorable outcomes. I particularly like this quote, from the War on Fat: “We were embarking on a ‘vast nutritional experiment,’ as the skeptical president of the National Academy of Sciences, Philip Handler, put it in 1980.
War. What is it good for?
Americans like to declare war on things we want to eliminate. There was the War on Poverty announced by Lyndon B. Johnson back in 1964 as part of the envisioned Great Society. In 1971 Richard Nixon declared a War on Drugs. We’re also waging wars on Fat, Terror, Cash, and Information. Then there is the all-encompassing existential War on Reality being fought on the battlegrounds of the various media, both mainstream and social. The most recent war to be announced is the War on Covid. This latest war is also a global war.
Unfortunately, most of these wars don’t seem to be going all that well.
Actual war has its own designations. There are cold wars, hot wars, limited war, total war, and endless war. The war in Afghanistan, a subset of the War On Terror, ended with loss of life and treasure and unknown consequences for the future. Donald Stoker, a former professor at the U.S. Naval War College who wrote a book, Why America Loses Wars, argues that Western leaders are “intellectually at sea:”
“Consistently, its leaders don’t know how to set clear political goals, don’t understand how to conceptualize the wars they launch in pursuit of often fuzzy political objectives, and don’t value victory — or tell the people what this means. Waging war in this manner is either an expression of ignorance or an example of dishonesty — intentional or not — on the part of political leaders for short term political purposes that have long term effects on U.S. public opinion and the men and women who are being sent to fight wars their leaders don’t call wars and have no interest in winning. To purposefully fight a war one must — at a minimum — know why one is fighting, what they hope to achieve, understand the enemy, know what victory looks like, and chart a sensible path for getting there.”
Over the horizon
While we’ve ended the endless, limited war in Afghanistan, we are still going to keep an eye on things with the latest political-military strategy, over the horizon warfare.
From an episode of the NPR radio program “All Things Considered,” broadcast in May of this year:
” ‘We will maintain an over-the-horizon capacity,” Biden said in his recent address to a joint session of Congress.’
‘We will continue to support (the Afghans) with over-the-horizon logistics,” Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said at a recent news conference.
‘We have to sort out doing it over the horizon,’ added the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Army Gen. Mark Milley.
Right now, ‘over the horizon’ is more a fuzzy concept than a polished military plan. But when U.S. forces leave Afghanistan in September, if not sooner, we’re likely to find out fast exactly what it means.”
Back to war as metaphor, the War on Poverty has had mixed results at best. The current debate over affordable housing in [our town] could be said to be an indirect descendant of some of the weapons employed in that war. Except now the potential recipients are middle class citizens who are finding their housing costs to be a burden. Just the phrases “affordable housing” and “workforce housing” are evidence of fundamental issues with our economy, where workers can’t keep up with housing costs. The percentage of Americans living paycheck to paycheck today is estimated as somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%.
The War on Fat was declared over by Time magazine in 2014, but that hasn’t been due to its successful conclusion. In 1980, with an obesity rate at about 15% and heart attacks rising, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) issued its first dietary guidelines, which heavily emphasized carbs and avoided cholesterol and fat of all sorts. Today the obesity rate is hovering around 40%. In that same time period, type II diabetes in the population went from about 5.5million to just over 25 million cases. A big reason was the food industry jumping in to help with processed “low fat”foods and lots of high fructose corn syrup.
From the 2014 Time article:
“We were embarking on a ‘vast nutritional experiment,’ as the skeptical president of the National Academy of Sciences, Philip Handler, put it in 1980. But with nearly a million Americans a year dropping dead from heart disease by the mid-’80s, we had to try something.
Nearly four decades later, the results are in: the experiment was a failure. We cut the fat, but by almost every measure, Americans are sicker than ever.”
The statistics have gotten worse in the seven years since. But we had to try something.
War on Drugs in its 50th year
The endless War on Drugs took a big setback in 2020, with more than 90,000 overdose deaths, an increase of 20,000 from the previous year. Many of these deaths were caused by synthetic opioids like fentanyl. Most of us have read stories about young people in our area dying from an overdose.
Much of last year’s increase has been attributed to the isolation and depression caused by the restrictions put in place during the battle against Covid. In the language of warfare, this would be called collateral damage. In addition to the human suffering, there is an economic cost. According to the Centers for Disease Control, in 2017, opioid use disorder and fatal opioid overdose combined cost society over $1 trillion.
There are additional collateral deaths as well as huge economic consequences associated with our War on Covid. The figure of $16 trillion has been bandied about widely for the past year, based on calculations by two Harvard economists and published originally in the Journal of the American Medical Association. This figure was calculated based on the assumption the pandemic would be over by fall of 2021.
Broader array of weapons to be deployed?
Meanwhile, after 20 months in the trenches, battle strategies may be shifting. As the Associated Press reported on September 17, an advisory committee to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) came out against booster shots for everyone. This comes a little over two weeks after two top FDA officials resigned over the Biden administration’s premature indications of a booster rollout for all:
“The nonbinding recommendation — from an influential committee of outside experts who advise the Food and Drug Administration — is not the last word. The FDA will consider the group’s advice and make its own decision, probably within days. And the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is set to weigh in next week.
In a surprising turn, the advisory panel rejected, 16-2, boosters for almost everyone. Members cited a lack of safety data on extra doses and also raised doubts about the value of mass boosters, rather than ones targeted to specific groups. Then, in an 18-0 vote, it endorsed extra shots for people 65 and older and those at risk of serious disease.”
An analysis of data from 2008 to 2015 found that the FDA ruled in agreement with the advisory committee almost 80% of the time. The percentage was even higher in instances where there was little disagreement within the advisory committee. We’ll have to see if the FDA is willing to go against the wishes of the administration on this one.
Other countries are also readjusting the arsenal of weapons and tactics being employed against the disease. The peer-reviewed International Journal of Infectious Disease recently published a paper recommending a shift in worldwide response to Covid 19. Like the FDA advisory committee, the authors are suggesting a more targeted approach:
“Control measures have exclusively focused on ‘the virus’, while failing to account for other biological and social factors that determine severe forms of the disease.. …it has exposed and exacerbated existing problems in health systems and the underlying health of the population.
COVID-19 is …a complex zoonotic disease, and it needs to be managed as such, following long-proven principles of medicine and public health. A complex disease cannot be solved through a simple, magic-bullet cure or vaccine. The heterogeneity of population profiles susceptible to developing a severe form of COVID-19 suggests the need to adopt varying, targeted measures that are able to address risk profiles in an appropriate way. … Strategies required include upstream prevention, early treatment, and consolidation of the health system.”
Finding common ground
All of these problems we’ve declared war on plague [our town] to a greater or lesser extent. As the world has grown ever more complex, local life, from food production to health care to manufacturing to governance, has become ever more dependent on sources and entities beyond our control—over the horizon, out of sight.
Certainly during the hundred plus years of [our town’s] existence, this increasing dependence has brought us much good and prosperity. But at some point, that increasing good is accompanied more and more by the not so good. The Victorian era art critic and philosopher John Ruskin used the term “illth” to describe the opposite of wealth–what economists today might refer to as negative externalities.
Obviously we are in no position to solve all of the various ills that beset us; once you leave the Garden of Eden, the illth doth start to accumulate the more you harvest those apples, along with all the other abundance.
But we can ask ourselves, based on observation, what do we see coming over the horizon? Is there evidence we are turning the tide? Or do things seem to be moving inexorably in a downward direction?
There are ways to build resilience, to help ourselves, rather than relying exclusively on the current technosphere to save us. We’ve touched on a few of those possibilities. We’ll look at more as the fall approaches.
These are stressful times. It would behoove us to listen to each other carefully. Whatever our particular beliefs, we all want to stay healthy and flourish. As Ruskin noted, “Wealth is Life.” We might dial back the war mentality, especially when it comes to relations with our neighbors. “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” Matthew 12.25
Photo caption: A World War I poster by James Montgomery Flagg, published in 1917.
Image courtesy Library of CongressSeptember 21, 2021 at 12:45 pm #87697
To clarify this sentence above: Like the FDA advisory committee, the authors are suggesting a more targeted approach.
This was meant in terms of targeting demographics for the vaccines. As stated in the subhead, a broader approach, consisting of early prevention, etc. is recommended for the population at large. I was dancing around everything trying to keep it acceptable that I unintentionally left that open to some confusion.
I wonder if inviting Steve Kirsch might give the FDA grounds to reject the advisory committee advice by claiming contamination from a fringe conspiracy person? Maybe someone,knowing that the committee was heavily leaningin the direction of rejecting boosters for all, decided to allow in a poison pill?September 21, 2021 at 12:49 pm #87698those darned kidsParticipant
polder: i teach music. i’ve had 14 cancellations because of injection reactions and 1 because of actual covid.
these 14 include one stroke and one reemergence of a cardiac issue, both of which required hospitalization.
also, my son’s best friend (19 years old) spent the night in hospital with back pain.
additionally, my father (91 years old) spent two weeks in the hospital with “pneumonia” and now has a difficult time walking.
.September 21, 2021 at 1:13 pm #87699zerosumParticipant
Nobody is doing autopsies
Old people are dying
Old people do not live forever
1. Early treatment of Covid-19 with a kit of cheap drugs defeats the disease.
2. Most of McCullough’s interviews and presentations are aggregated on Rumble, an alternative to YouTube. In interviews, McCullough promotes the use of zinc, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, doxycycline, favipiravir, prednisone, and ivermectin as COVID-19 treatments — based on an outpatient treatment algorithm published in August 2020 in The American Journal of Medicine. The cardiologist was the lead author of that paper, which proposed treating people with COVID-like symptoms whether or not they had confirmed infection. McCullough and his colleagues published a follow-up paper that added colchicine to the mix in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine. McCullough is editor-in-chief of the journal, but this was not noted in the disclosures.
Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection
Search for McCullough PA[Author]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=McCullough%20PA%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=32771461 628 results
(Clarification:Where I live, those drugs are not available nor are those drugs cheap.)
Your editor does not like to hear about wars that the USA has lost
I wonder how this compares with everyone else’s experience here?
Serious problem are not due to vaccines .
——–September 21, 2021 at 1:17 pm #87700OroborosParticipant
I have a mind game for you about seeing deaths in your neighborhood and circle of friends and acquaintances.
In the US there is roughly 330,000,000 people
Let’s round off the population to 3.1 million you math purposes.
There was approx 3.1 million deaths in the US from all causes (also rounded down for math purposes)
There are approx 3100 counties.
That works out to approx 1000 per County
Some counties are big with few people, some counties are small with lots of people.
But the average county is a balance of the two examples above.
Are you personally aware that 3.1 million people die every year in the US? (plug-in your country here)
Do you have a personal sense of that level of deaths?
What if we doubled that number to 6.2 million deaths.
Would you notice in your circle of friends?
If your not aware of 3.1 million dying, why would you notice twice that number?
Do you follow the obits in your local paper religiously?
Most people don’t so they wouldn’t notice an increase, especially if they’ve been locked down and out of causal conversational touch with other people for 2 years.
So simply doubling the death rate to an additional:
3.1 million deaths might very well go unnoticed.
End of mind game.September 21, 2021 at 1:24 pm #87701
zerosum wrote: @absolute galore: Your editor does not like to hear about wars that the USA has lost
You’re no doubt correct. But writing about WWII is not my area of interest. (I will admit the column was not terribly cheery, but it was about the only way I thought I could get in some coverage about our approach to Covid. I was wrong. Even tip-toeing around didn’t work.September 21, 2021 at 2:30 pm #87702HerrWernerParticipant
@polder I have to agree, I know of no one who has had severe vaxx (hospitalized) reactions. I also know of no one who had serious covid. I know many people who had bad vaxx reactions, ppl with bad bouts of the ‘rona. I only know one who was hospitalized for either (she was there for the ‘rona, in her 80s and mostly there for supportive care and observation – she recovered ok.)
I believe that is the limits of anecdotal evidence. That’s the trouble with it – my lived experience is completely different from TDK’s for instance. Normally I discount anecdotal evidence and rely on trusted sources, but there are no trusted sources. No “trusted sources” that can be taken at face-value anyway. “Science” fell flat on its face in Feb 2020 and is still floundering face-down and waving its arms in the mud and blubbering about more funding between gulps of air.
I believe both conditions are actually rare in the general population – both severe covid and severe vaxx reactions. That is not to say that both conditions are not extremely worrying. Severe covid is just not as prevalent as the PMC + MSM + Faucists want everyone to believe. And severe vaxx reactions can be masked as covid or something else, through incompetence or malevolence.
I was in the room with some co-workers and they were telling their tales of horrible vaxx reactions. Young, healthy ppl in the prime of life having severe reactions – dizziness, laid up in bed for days. Serious enough if they were my ppl I would worried enough to weigh an ER visit. I hope it was worth it for them. I hope they got some protection for the price they paid/will pay.
I know of “only” two people who died of covid (early 2020, both in their 90s, and not in my circle, 2 layers out) My social circle wasn’t that big before covid, and it contracted significantly in the lockdowns.
TDK’s anecdotal experience is different, which makes sense because as a music teacher that’s gonna put you in contact with a wide range of people.September 21, 2021 at 2:55 pm #87703Polder DwellerParticipant
I wasn’t thinking of deaths, just serious vax reactions. I can take the exact same logic and apply it to Covid and I get a similar result; I don’t know anyone who died of it (yet) and I don’t even know of anyone who was hospitalized with it. I know plenty of people who had it and they ranged from having cold-like symptoms (like I had) through to pretty bad flu symptoms lasting up to ten days plus four to six weeks to feel fully normal again.
There are 2,500 people where I work and although I know nowhere near all of them, typically news used to get around. Due to the lockdowns and working from home my contact has been greatly reduced.
So, yes, I agree that me not knowing anyone with a severe reaction doesn’t mean they don’t exist, that’s actually why I asked the question, to widen my field of view.September 21, 2021 at 2:57 pm #87704Doc RobinsonParticipant
absolute galore: “I wonder if inviting Steve Kirsch might give the FDA grounds to reject the advisory committee advice by claiming contamination from a fringe conspiracy person?”
Kirsch’s presentation was probably part of the Open Public Hearing, where interested members of the public can participate (after signing up in advance).
Every advisory committee meeting includes an open public hearing (OPH) session, during which interested persons may present relevant information or views orally or in writing ( 21 CFR 14.25(a)). FDA’s regulation, 21 CFR 14.29, requires that a minimum of 60 minutes per meeting be dedicated to an OPH session for oral presentations, unless public participation does not last that long…
An interested person who wishes to be assured of the opportunity to make an oral presentation at an advisory committee meeting should inform FDA orally or in writing before the meeting… FDA staff makes every effort to accommodate a speaker’s request. FDA recommends that the request be submitted by mail, telephone, facsimile, or e-mail. If the number of registrants requesting to speak is greater than can be reasonably accommodated during the scheduled open public hearing session, FDA may conduct a lottery to determine the speakers for the scheduled open public hearing session.
September 21, 2021 at 3:03 pm #87705boilingfrogParticipant
We are currently travelling from Appalachia to western Montana, meandering through the “flyover” states of America. My partner has Li-Fraumeni syndrome, so masks in public, and is a faithful believer in the mRNA therapy. Me, not as much.
Wisconsin seems to be on a county-by-county mask mandate, with Madison (Dane County) opting for the mandate indoors. In our current county there is no mandate.
The Dakotas will be interesting, but certain to be non-mask mandates. In casual conversation it seems basically impossible (as of yet) to find someone who discusses the Covid issue in a scientific (i.e. data-driven) manner, as opposed to in a faith-based manner, (with faith referring to religion or politics).
I had hoped to learn more about this country of mine on this trip, but i don’t think that’ll be the case. It seems (a) trustworthy information is too difficult to obtain, (b) sides have been chosen and dug in.
One of the interesting issues out here in the midwest is the “Right to Repair” movement. Years in the making, it seems the farm implements (such as combines, that can easily exceed $500k) contain coding as complex as a modern airliner. The ethos out here has always been maintain and repair on one’s own, or within one’s community.September 21, 2021 at 3:07 pm #87706boilingfrogParticipant
In addition, to follow on previous points, i have one cousin who suffered “strange” effects immediately after the second job and that caused him to look into the whole “side effects” issue. A good friend has two ‘thirty-something’ co-worker, and a cousin, who were disabled after the second dose.September 21, 2021 at 3:33 pm #87707my parents said knowParticipant
Question: Doesn’t the requirement to wear a mask if one is not vaccinated fly in the face of the admission that one need not disclose one’s vaccination status?
The 50% kickback of tuition seems like a foot in the door for legal action. They should get all of it back.
Exemptions for some must mean exemptions for all who want them.September 21, 2021 at 3:34 pm #87708
I read the header article slamming McCullough. It helps me to understand why my friends believe in the Covidian Cult. It does it’s job well of casting doubt. If I read only that type of sh*t and not the material posted here, which gave me the knowledge of how to recognize Covid vaccine injury…. If I had not already had Covid and lost my fear of it….
Which is why I find myself telling my friends: my aunt can no longer walk after vaccination…a lady I’ve known for years, living down your street has myocarditis — the pain began hours after the second vaccination. Propaganda articles can’t touch first person experience.September 21, 2021 at 3:34 pm #87709
Doc Robinson wrote: Kirsch’s presentation was probably part of the Open Public Hearing, where interested members of the public can participate (after signing up in advance). That makes much more sense. For some reason I got the impression he was invited to speak, or was part of the committee.
boilingfrog wrote: One of the interesting issues out here in the midwest is the “Right to Repair” movement.
That was the subject of my column last week: Fight for the right to repair. John Deere is a particularly egregious offender. They require farmers to sign complicated Extended Use License Agreements. These contracts limit their true ownership and encroach on their rights to repair, alter, improve, or generally modify the machinery in any way. John Deere insists the issue is a problem of intellectual property protection and software security. But farmers will tell you they just want to clear codes and repair the tractors without being forced to go through expensive contractors that charge upwards of $150 an hour.
When John Deere upgrades the technology, it often stops supporting the previous versions, making it difficult to repair older equipment. The practice of upgrading software and then forbidding owners from repairing their tractors means farmers have to buy new equipment or new software. These costs can reach up to $600,000.
There was an agreement in place with the Equipment Dealers Association for John Deere to make software guides, diagnostic equipment, and repair tools available beginning in January of 2021, but the company has not followed through on its promises.
Tech companies like Apple are also targets. While over half the states have some kind of legislation proposed, on the federal level is The Fair Repair Act, filed by by congressman Joseph Morelle (D-NY) this past June. It would require manufacturers to provide device owners and independent repair stores access to the tools, parts, and information they need to fix electronics, etc.
My thought is stop sticking computers on everything–especially stuff like tractors.September 21, 2021 at 3:37 pm #87710Doc RobinsonParticipant
• Biden Vaccine Mandate For Only Half The Nation’s Teachers? (Hill)
A map of the US showing which states have “School Districts and Staff Covered by President Biden’s Vaccine Mandate”:September 21, 2021 at 3:44 pm #87711BoomerDoomer2Participant
I wonder how this compares with everyone else’s experience here?
The neighbor (mid-40s) across the street has missed at least 4 weeks of work. According to her son she was hospitalized for a period of time and the doctors would or could not tell her what she had. She had Covid in 2020 and was required by her work to get the jab early on — probably January or February. My brother got the jab and has had a continual headache ever since. I have told him that he should get a D-dimer test and referred him to the Indiana doctor who made the presentation at the school board meeting.
John Day- James Burnham would be proud of what we have today. His fantasy has come true.September 21, 2021 at 3:46 pm #87712Maxwell QuestParticipant
“1000s of Navy SEALS Told They Won’t Be Deployed If They Refuse Vaccine (JTN)”
“Louisiana State University Begins Disenrolling Unvaxxed Students (CR)”
“Biden Vaccine Mandate For Only Half The Nation’s Teachers? (Hill)”
“Victoria To Shut Down Construction Industry For Two Weeks (Sky)”
This reminds me of how the War on Terror was prosecuted: Let’s drone that wedding party and create 10 new determined terrorists, who from that time forward, instead of running their little falafel stand, dedicate their lives to destroying you.
Talk about kicking a beehive. These WEF initiates, who are attempting to implement their Great Reset under the auspices of a fighting a pandemic, are running from one blunder to the next, creating thousands of enemies of the state with every new policy.
Keep up the great work!September 21, 2021 at 3:51 pm #87713DoraParticipant
As for no one you know having a bad reaction to the jab, that could be true… or not. Not being told about a thing is not the same as a thing not happening, and talking about bad reactions to the jab is a taboo subject in many many people’s minds – just like talking about sexual assault was taboo many years ago. (I expect you know many women who experienced at least on episode of s.a., but they never mention it even to close friends. “That’s something not talked about.” This is how taboos work.)
I know 2 people, my friends for several years each, who got the jab and to weeks after the 2nd jab, both started having trouble walking or standing without collapsing. Both went to their docs for full tests. Nothing found. No mention that the jab could be related. They each mentioned this to me some months after the events and never connected the jab as a possible cause. I didn’t mention it to them. It was taboo. So, long story short, you may know people who’ve had bad reactions who don’t talk about it, never mention it.September 21, 2021 at 3:51 pm #87714KassandraParticipant
I have a pretty wide ranging group of contacts. I have worked for a company of 150k employees, and at the outset of covid was working at a University with 35k students, part of a system with hundreds of thousands of students and 250k staff. I now (since 1/2021) work at a university with 10k students in a red state.
I know of one death that was an official covid death. In late 2020 my friend’s brother died. He was in his 50s, severely disabled and bed ridden and thought to have very little time left to live. He was rushed to the ER/ICU for some other issue, caught covid in the hospital, and died.
I know of one person hospitalized very early on during the pandemic. He was in his late 50s and a heavy meth and heroin user (the brother of another friend). He was sick and intibated in the hospital, and survived. We now joke that meth cures covid. This is especially seems true since before we moved we were in an area with thousands of homeless on the streets living in filth, sharing crack pipes and needles and we’d joke that they were all somehow immune. I mean where are all the bodies?
During the vax roll-out the majority of people on my team of 20 (and my peers, of which there are 5) called in sick for a day to several days post vaccine. I don’t know anyone severely injured. I do now know of several people I work with or that are one step outside my direct circle that have come down with covid in the last two weeks. The vast majority (at least 80%) are vaccinated.September 21, 2021 at 3:57 pm #87715BoomerDoomer2Participant
Sand-Puppy (Physician) comment at Peak Prosperity this am:
Reporting Vaccine Adverse Events is NOT Mandatory
1. There is no legal requirement, hospital policy or state regulation requiring doctors to report adverse events following vaccinations.
2. There are no policies that encourage VAERS reporting on any subject at any time or under any circumstances. In my 33 years professional career as a physician I have never made a VAERS report. I confess that I don’t even know how to do this. I have never heard of another colleague who has ever made a report to VAERS either.
There are a number of infections diseases where mandatory reporting to the State Health Department is required: Hepatitis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, measles, TB, etc.
No requirements to report anything about vaccines to anyone.September 21, 2021 at 3:58 pm #87716KassandraParticipant
Oh, I do know of a person who has had a “mystery illness” that no doctors can figure out. They have thought it’s a mystery allergy or something, but she doesn’t test as allergic to anything. I know it started around the time the vaccines were rolling out, and she is a hard core covidian, I have zero doubt that she was vaccinated as soon as she could be. But I do not feel comfortable asking our mutual friend when she was vaccinated and when she started getting sick. My friend is 92 years old tries to shame me into getting vaccinated every time we talk.September 21, 2021 at 4:14 pm #87717those darned kidsParticipant
more experience: my 14 cancellations were mostly “minor”. i fear these “minors” will become tomorrow’s “majors”.
my wife’s cousin, 33, semi-professional athlete, died of covid in january, in mexico city. i wanted to ask his family to get him ivermectin (which they now use in mexico city), but as i am too far removed from them, it was something i couldn’t intervene in.
my wife had covid for 6 weeks last march/april. she may have long covid now. or chronic lyme. ¡thanks, pentagon! anyhoo, it’s rough..
speaking with my mother-in-law in tiny pueblito en méxico, she is utterly confounded that here in canada, the smart, we have no early treatment AT ALL. almost all in-laws in méxico, almost all vaccinated, have had or are experiencing covid. all get in-home treatment, including oxygen, as outcomes have been established to be better in the household.
what the fword is going on?September 21, 2021 at 4:16 pm #87718OroborosParticipant
My point about not noticing deaths in the community, not just work colleagues or extended family, is that millions die every year and it becomes background noise to most people.
‘Gossip’ is just shooting the breeze with people you meet accidentally at coffee joints or the hardware store or the Post Office or simply walking down the street and bumping into an old friend and catching up.
That’s been gone from me for over a year. I don’t read ‘the papers’ so I don’t follow the obits. That’s something I’d get running into people during the day going about my business.
“So in so passed away last week, are you going to their service?”
The Lizard Brains running the Plandemic are doing a good job so far of suppressing or obscuring accurate data about vax adverse reactions, and numbers of vaxed with new ‘infections’.
Sure some data leaks out of VERS etc, but seriously, how much of the data from sporadic sources are you really comfortable trusting?
My gut reaction screams that the blizzard of lies is still working with at least HALF the Sheeple, no matter what you tell them to the contrary.
Lie about those stats, why not lie about vax deaths.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
Karl D had a post discussing why a million people have ‘disappeared’ from the labor dept stats. A million people aren’t showing up anymore and there’s a zillion help wanted signs around. There are many different explanations, but ‘disappearing’ a million people doesn’t seem to be a problem.September 21, 2021 at 4:29 pm #87719
My sister’s friend’s father was hospitalized last week for c19. The first hospital doctor was great — they asked for and received infusions of vitamin C, and the doctor was told that he didn’t want remdesivir because the gentleman already has kidney disease, the doctor thanked them, telling them that because they spoke up he could do as they wished, and not just do the standard protocol. As an attempt to prevent the man from receiving remdesivir in the future, this first doctor put in the chart that the man is allergic to remdesivir.
By the end of last week, the gentleman was on supplementary oxygen and there was a new hospital doctor. The second doctor wants to intubation the man. He refused, doesn’t want intubation, but would appreciate IV saline. The new doctor is refusing him saline because the gentleman “is capable of eating and drinking.” The second doctor is wanting to know “why the chart says that he is allergic to remdesivir.” The gentleman is asking to leave. The hospital says that he can’t. His wife is demanding that he be released, the hospital demurs. The family is not allowed to visit. The gentleman is struggling to breathe, but every time he removes his mask the nurses replace it. The family says they can’t just get the gentleman out — there is a police desk in the emergency room. I said: so what, record the phone call where the gentleman says he wants to leave but they won’t let him, go to the hospital, demand to speak with a hospital administrator, play the recording and threaten legal action if he isn’t released AMA. (The family was already engaged in setting up alternative medical arrangements for the gentleman.)
This is insane.September 21, 2021 at 4:41 pm #87720zerosumParticipant
“I could get in some coverage about our approach to Covid.”
How about, a different approach. Causes of death. (with references)
4. Bad medical procedures
5. improper food (diabetes, obesity)
6. pain killers (opioids)
7. wrong medications
8. reported adverse reaction to covid vaccines compared to all previous vaccines(Israel, UK. etc.)
9. sky diving
10. scuba diving
12. too much or not enough money
🙂September 21, 2021 at 5:10 pm #87721
AG, it can all be summarized in Micheal Moore’s comment: “You can’t declare war on a noun.”September 21, 2021 at 5:14 pm #87722
I like Oroboros’ idea that we don’t see death and disease because our cultures have banned those. We need people from the health care profession, like the ladies from the Bigtree video or the Veritas video, or we won’t know. Your local news sure ain’t going to report on adverse events.September 21, 2021 at 5:18 pm #87723
Reporting Vaccine Adverse Events is NOT Mandatory
But it is. The form is in the Bigtree video, loud and clear. That nobody follows the law, is a different issue.September 21, 2021 at 5:32 pm #87724
@ polder dweller
Regarding hearing from those you know who were vaxxed and injured…
In my own social circle there are 7 that I suspect are vax injured.
Only ONE believes herself to be vax injured. This is because her heart pain, later diagnosed as myocarditis, began hours after the second jab. Also, because she consumes right-wing media.
2 have clients/friends with injuries consistent with blood clotting issues, I am very certain it’s from the clot shot. One refused my assessment. The second listened, but said nothing, so I don’t know.
Another, I don’t know well and don’t have specifics on her sudden medical problems — but at least one was a bleeding issue, she is in her mid-50s, no big pre-existing health issues.
Fifth, was a diagnosis of Alzheimer’s post vaccination. She is past 65 — difficult to assess whether it was the vax or not.
Sixth, is my institutionalized, schizophrenic aunt who can no longer walk. My mother hasn’t gotten the dates yet of the onset of new symptoms and the vax jabs — but she found her medical power of attorney document for her sister, sent it to the facility, and will eventually ask.
Seventh, a cousin, in his early 30s I think, recently diagnosed with cancer. My uncle wouldn’t tell my parents whether or not his son had been vaxxed first, but, come on…if he hadn’t already been vaxxed then my uncle the doctor probably would have stated so.
Six out of seven don’t recognize the jab as a possible cause, so it isn’t being investigated.September 21, 2021 at 5:44 pm #87725
my parents said know
Question: Doesn’t the requirement to wear a mask if one is not vaccinated fly in the face of the admission that one need not disclose one’s vaccination status?>>
This has been a smoldering source of anger for months.September 21, 2021 at 5:49 pm #87726NoiretteParticipant
Polder: I know a huge no. of ppl who are vaxxed, many of course **indirectly** (via kids, family, friends, work, group associations, diverse contacts, etc.) and what I have logged in my head is that many ppl had Covid. In my building, at the place I volunteer, full of ppl running around packed together coughing etc., a child’s friends, community meet, my dentist, in the building next door, me myself, two family members in other countries, and so on, some mild, others worse, a few pretty bad…
Only one ‘adverse event’ to the vax. So far! Who knows aout the future…
He was over 80, had some kind of défaillance – after the 2nd shot, drove home, got out of his car, and collapsed in the street. 6 weeks later he did assisted suicide.
Here (CH) Pfizer and Moderna are the main suppliers.
Ppl’s experience will be very varied (see those darned kids above), all we can do is try to do our best, and be the most honest and caring.
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