September 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm #8439
I don't know about you, but I would label my personal knowledge of Hungary as wanting, if not painfully incomplete. It's not an easy country t
[See the full post at: Hungary Throws Out Monsanto AND The IMF]September 7, 2012 at 11:03 pm #5419SteveBParticipant
Ilargi, any thoughts on how long that ECB boondoggle might last before falling apart? I’m guessing a few months, but this is new territory for my attention.September 8, 2012 at 12:17 am #5420MouseMember
I’m a little disappointed with this article. Taking a position again GMO and the IMF (apparently) doesn’t make Orban a good guy as this fairytale narrative suggests.
The reason the stories are few and far between is mostly no one cares for Hungary, 10 million people and as you indicate a little linguistic island off of central europe. I’ve been living here the last four years and got a little closer to the country.
Since winning his two thirds majority Orban has rewritten the constitution and pretty much tied the hands of future governments. Some of his ideas and actions are appealing but the pattern of control, passing assets to a clique of close associates and rewarding friends is pretty familiar. If you want tedious details I can give you them or you can do a bit of research, there are some english language sources around while not all are balanced at least can give you some background.
Hungary is now a country where people are assaulted in the street for being, jewish, roma or gay, where fascists march in the center of Budapest on national holiday. The people are manipulated with stories of the enemies outside (code in many cases for jews), Mosanto, Tesco or IMF, maybe we have some shared enemies but I hope I never tempts me to see people like Orban as a friend.
Divide and rule is a game many parties play, there are not two sides here, there are many parties, not all wrong and not all right.September 8, 2012 at 2:18 am #5422GlenndaParticipant
This just came to my email today. Interesting that Monsanto is so much of a Goliath with US backing. While I don’t think GMOs are necessarily a bad thing, the problem is the sneaky monopolistic style of Monsanto.
I don’t know if I’ll be going to this, but it’s note worthy that it’s a point of unification for the Occupy Movement.
(As far as the leader of Hungry goes, who knows? He may be a dictator with lots of cronyism going on, but he seems to have one thing right about the monopoly company and its supporters in the US and IMF.)
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August 27, 2012
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At least 60 Protests to Target Makers of Genetically Engineered Foods on Anniversary of Occupy Movement
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Join groups across the world for a global week of action at Monsanto facilities. Make this a week Monsanto will never forget as we unite with a single voice: OCCUPY MONSANTO!September 8, 2012 at 9:31 am #5426backwardsevolutionMember
Looks like he’s really ticking the banking world off:
“Hungarians and others in Eastern Europe chose Swiss franc mortgages in the years leading up to the financial crisis because of their low interest rates. At the time, a Swiss franc could get 160 Hungarian forints, now its closer to 252.
Fearing defaults and the country’s exposure to foreign-currency debt, the government introduced a scheme that allows borrowers who make payments on time, the opportunity to pay a fixed rate of 180 Hungarian forint to a Swiss Franc. The catch? They only have till the end of the year to participate in the scheme, have to pay about 10% in interest and only have 60 days from the date of the application to borrow the funds or raise the money.
Earlier this year we reported that bankers were furious at Orban because the scheme would force banks to assume losses stemming from the difference between the artificial exchange rate of 180 Hungarian forint to a Swiss franc and the market rate. Austrian banks like UniCredit Bank Austria, Erste Group Bank and Raiffeisen Bank International are some lenders likely to take a hit.”
“Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán is set on making banks share the burden with borrowers. In an interview with Metropol (via the Budapest Business Journal), he said the era of bankers had ruined Hungary and Europe and that it was time to end the practice of making borrowers take the hit on losses and risks. He blamed banks for making people believe they could borrow without consequences and creating the illusion of constant access to cheap credit.”
He wants to make the banks share the burden with borrowers. What, some common sense, fairness?
Great article, Ilargi. You are right, they will fry Orban and his country.
Monsanto needs to be stopped. Good for Orban for kicking them the hell out.September 8, 2012 at 10:42 am #5428
Ilargi, any thoughts on how long that ECB boondoggle might last before falling apart? I’m guessing a few months, but this is new territory for my attention.
I see people saying three months; don’t they always? It’s usually measured in days, this one might be a bit bigger, but the question remains the same: what happened to the debt? Well, nothing happened to it, it’s still there, and they’re adding more.September 8, 2012 at 1:33 pm #5429AnonymousGuest
The USA has controlled the global monetary system, through control of a vital essential physical asset. OIL.
They dictate and control the price of oil and everyone(up to lately!!!!)
pays in dollars. this finances the wars.Through the printing of endless $.
The important issue is.
Oil itself is not the controlling mechinism.
THE PAYMENT IN DOLLARS IS.
This allows the USA to operate a type of global taxation system through inflation.
Due to China, Russia,Brazil,India etc. decision to bypass the dollar/oil as the preferred currency to trade in, means the USA is loosing its grip on their ability to skim, through a global tax /inflation $ oil payment.
My point is—I can only think of one other essential global physical asset which would allow a country to gain such global control and power SEED- SEED- SEED-
Start protecting your seeds everyone. Or go hungry or Hungarian! Orban is one smart man. Well done .September 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm #5431sculptorParticipant
I propose Hungary be renamed “Wellfedia”September 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm #5433Golden OxenParticipant
Quote Ilargi “I see people saying three months; don’t they always? It’s usually measured in days, this one might be a bit bigger, but the question remains the same: what happened to the debt? Well, nothing happened to it, it’s still there, and they’re adding more.”
Sir, A catch 22 for sure, add more debt, to pay off older debt, in a system burdened and ruined by debt.
Is there not however a lessening in the Real value of the older debt by the inflationary impact of creating the new to purchase the old?
It may not boost any economies, but they sure are creating a torrent of something, debt, currencies, digital money, whatever type of fiat we wish to call it.
We all know what happens in the long run, but they have kept the ship from sinking in the short run, and it is most difficult to pin point it’s ending. My feeling is we need a US or German bond collapse, or a very powerful outbreak of inflation to stop it.September 8, 2012 at 11:27 pm #5437JackMember
They definitely did right by throwing out Monsanto and the IMF.
This does not mean that everything else is good about them.
This makes the leaders of Hungary axe murderersSeptember 9, 2012 at 9:42 am #5442pdjmooMember
Great Article Raul..and thank you…insofar as some of your outstanding questions this may be of help to you:
YOUR FOOD, YOUR HEALTH: Latest on BiotechAg, GMOs, Pesticides, Chemicals, CAFOs, BigAg https://bit.ly/zI1qHFSeptember 9, 2012 at 12:37 pm #5443NassimParticipant
That is a sorry story. I checked out the details and it would seem that the Azerbaijani side did not keep their deal with the Hungarians.
Anyway, he was locked up for 8 years by the Hungarians before they agreed to let him serve the rest of his sentence in his own country. I guess the Hungarians don’t know or care much about the Azaris and the sort of government they have.
In the UK, most murderers serve an average of 15 years. Please don’t think that I am condoning it in any way.
Breivik, the guy who killed 77 and wounded 242 in Norway last year, can only be kept locked up for 21 years, I read somewhere.September 9, 2012 at 9:21 pm #5445
Glennda post=5113 wrote: While I don’t think GMOs are necessarily a bad thing, the problem is the sneaky monopolistic style of Monsanto.
Hi Glennda, on what basis do you reach the conclusion that GMOs may not be a bad thing? Industry’s refusal to do meaningful human health studies indicates to me that they learned from their Agent Orange fiasco… maybe if they could have prevented Agent Orange health studies they still could be selling it, huh? Think of all those Agent Orange profits lost.
Thanks for posting the Occupy Monsanto information.
The big hitter is Pro 37 in CA – it is an initiative to force the labelling of GMO foods in CA. You’d think a company that was proud of their product would label it.
“If you put a label on genetically engineered food you might as well put a skull and crossbones on it.” – Norman Braksick, president of Asgrow Seed Co., a subsidiary of Monsanto, quoted in the Kansas City Star, March 7, 1994
Well, Norman Braksick, if you would do human health studies then people wouldn’t need to consider it toxic. Or is this your way of telling us you know it is toxic and don’t want the lemmings to find out?
‘The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance—it is the illusion of knowledge.’
– Daniel J. Boorstin
Losing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth.
– Ludwig Borne
“Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.”
– Ezra PoundSeptember 9, 2012 at 9:35 pm #5446
Dublin post=5120 wrote: The USA has controlled the global monetary system, through control of a vital essential physical asset. OIL.
Hi Dublin, what is this USA of which you speak? I’m a US citizen and I have absolutely zero input into what my government does.
So it surely doesn’t refer to me as a citizen. In fact, I’ve never met anyone that has any real say in what our government does.
My son read a biography on Socrates. When I asked him what he learned about Socrates, he responded, “he thought a lot.”
I asked him what Socrates thought about.
“About words” was his response.
Smart guy, that Socrates.
My research makes it clear that the modern day Sophists use language in which to hide.
IMHO, USA is a bad term because it is too vague. More to the point, it is the Money Power that controls our government. They finance our politicians and they control our politicians. The real voter fraud is the fact you only get to pick between Big Finance Capital Puppet #1 and Big Finance Capital Puppet #2.
Or, as Vladimir Lenin put it, “the best way to control the opposition is to lead it.”
According to my research, Big Finance Capital is actually international in nature – they don’t know any boundaries for their Money Power club. If true, using the term USA is actually incorrect and very misleading.
My view is that this international money power cartel has effectively hijacked the government of the USA, not through the force of arms, mind you, but through the force of insight into how to manipulate public opinion (h/t to John Taylor Gatto), and is using our national resources, be it our blood, our money or our name, in order to exact an agenda that serves their interests.
One such interest is to wage economic war upon the vast majority of the USA outside their Money Power clique.
So when you use the term USA, it hides that this cartel is actually waging asymmetrical, Sun Tzu style Art of War on the USA itself!
Socrates’ wisdom to meditate on the meaning of words and how they are used is impressive, IMHO.
Concise language is very important. The social engineers realize this and they use it as a weapon to impoverish us.September 9, 2012 at 9:42 pm #5447
Concise language is very important.
It’s high time you yourself took that to heart, Trivium.September 10, 2012 at 7:30 am #5453
ilargi post=5138 wrote: Concise language is very important.
It’s high time you yourself took that to heart, Trivium.
Hi Ilargi, can you please point out some examples so I can be aware of situations that demand I be more concise?
For example, RE pointed out my use of the term Debt Dollar Tyranny was too narrow. He suggested “Debt Money Tyranny” was more true and accurate. I agreed, thanked RE and I use the better term now.
No big deal, no personal attacks, no nothing but sharing knowledge for the betterment of communicating important ideas.
Your statement, as it stands, comes across as a personal attack rather than actually trying to communicate something constructive.September 11, 2012 at 2:28 am #5458CJ in VTParticipant
Just a quick comment as I start to read.
I was shocked to have found this post via a permaculture site. Not shocked because there’s some overlap between you and permaculture (as I’ve noted before) but shocked because I seem to miss many posts since you’ve switched from the old site. I rely on RSS and only seem to get “archives”. What am I doing wrong that I’m missing so many posts?September 11, 2012 at 5:32 am #5462John DayParticipant
I really enjoyed this post, and there was something that came up on Zero Hedge about the fascists in Greece, which made a good opening for the “Fascist Populists” in Hungary, so I tossed this in there pretty quick.
My (2nd from top) post with link to your story was just an intro to your story.
So far it got 44+ and 0_ arrows, which is really good for that neighborhood. Go Hungary, the new Iceland!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-neo-nazi-party-surges-third-polls-anti-bailout-syriza-back-topSeptember 11, 2012 at 11:23 am #5468diggingMember
If we look at the great Empires of the past before oil they controlled the most basic of energies…..FOOD.
They know they are going to loose thier energy control and are trying to gain control of the deeper and most imporant of all energies. The natural way the suns energy empowers all life on earth.
Occupy the Seed
DiggingSeptember 11, 2012 at 2:29 pm #5469PetuniaMember
I notice everyone thinks the US is who has caused this, but the USA is an occupied nation by its arch enemy, Israel, who has killed/murdered more Americans than all the Muslim nations put together, so Its Israel, working for the ROTHSCHILD INTERNATIONAL BANKERS WHO ARE DOING ALL THIS.
They have no loyalty to any nation, they use all nations to obtain their agenda, they are nothing more than a giant global mafia set of criminals, satanists and perverts. The USA citizens are as much a victim of this as global citizens, which we should turn our attention away from blaming each other and prepare in each country to go after the international criminal zionist khazar bankers. WW III WITH KHAZAR ZIONIST BANKERS. I like it…. much better than us killing each other.September 12, 2012 at 3:06 am #5494JackMember
When the Armenian’s go after justice and revenge they always get that.
These are the kind of people they are.
Artsakh – Nagorno Karabakh
here is another one
Talat Pashan Pakhav Berlin
Talat was one of the banker kindOctober 10, 2012 at 9:53 am #5941GlenndaParticipant
So here’s an interesting French judgment against Monsanto.
The horrifying part of the article mentions that this herbicide is still in use in the good ol’ US. 🙁
“Monsanto Found Guilty of Chemical Poisoning in Landmark Case
A French farmer who can no longer perform his routine farming duties because of permanent pesticide injuries has had his day in court, literally, and the perpetrator of his injuries found guilty of chemical poisoning. The French court in Lyon ruled that Monsanto’s Lasso weedkiller formula, which contains the active ingredient alachlor, caused Paul Francois to develop lifelong neurological damage that manifests as persistent memory loss, headaches, and stuttering during speech.
Reports indicate that the 47-year-old farmer sued Monsanto back in 2004 after inhaling the Lasso product while cleaning his sprayer tank equipment. Not long after, Francois began experiencing lasting symptoms that prevented him from working, which he says were directly linked to exposure to the chemical. Since Lasso’s packaging did not bear adequate warnings about the dangers of exposure, Francois alleged at the time that Monsanto was essentially negligent in providing adequate protection for its customers.
To the surprise of many, the French court agreed with the claims and evidence presented before it, declaring earlier this year that “Monsanto is responsible for Paul Francois’ suffering after he inhaled the Lasso product … and must entirely compensate him.” The court is said to be seeking expert opinion on how to gauge Francois’ losses in order to determine precisely how much Monsanto will be required to compensate him in the case. “October 10, 2012 at 3:14 pm #5945
Curious that IBTimes/Natural News carry that story this week. Reuters reported it on February 13 this year.
It’s also curious, I think, that there has been no follow-up anywhere that I can see over the past 8 months.March 29, 2014 at 11:44 am #12011TruthSayerParticipant
Dear misinformant Mouse!
The people who are being assaulted are mostly Hungarian, and are assaulted BY the jews, and gypsies. If you truly lived here, you would know that gypsies do murder strictly Hungarians each and every day, and they get away with it easily, since, as the leader of MAZSIHISZ said, they will use the gypsies to wreck genocide on Hungarians. 🙂March 29, 2014 at 11:49 am #12012TruthSayerParticipant
Dear Raúl Ilargi Meijer!
Please stop spreading the LIE (not false science, just blatant LIE) about Hungarian language having ANYTHING to do with Finnish. Thank you!
(That crap was actually thought up in Wien, so as to lower our nationalist -not nazi, but patriotic- feelings, and also to allow them to brainwash our young that our history is a lie and we’re basically just nobodies.
E-mail me if you would like to know more. 🙂
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