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November 21, 2019 at 1:49 pm #51515Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
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[See the full post at: The Godfather in US Politics]November 21, 2019 at 2:48 pm #51520Dr. DParticipantNailed it. But again, where did we get the idea that we should dislike him, if not from the same crew we are right now saying can’t be trusted? Maybe we should go back a half-step? What do we know and when, and how, did we know it?
The day after Trump declared Presidency and the DNC election machine started? It’s weird after going to their wedding he only became the anti-Christ the day after he declared. Check and double-check.
November 21, 2019 at 3:04 pm #51521J.A.KosmosParticipantI agree with his words and I am sorry for my pouring into the comments here last few days but this gnawing feeling about this issue has been with me for a while. I think for me at least and you seem to still get alot of flak from confused readers I have needed some.more clarity. I get it I think more and more but at the same time Dr. D is filling the vacuum speaking for you and boschovitz aswell, dont know if they agree with each other but both seem to think they know exactly where you stand. This strategy of leaving out things is interesting but I think you are opening yourself to qlot of projection. If people who think Trump is horrible feel repelled at TA and people who think he is great or the lesser evil feel you speak for them. How long before you loose cintrol of where you stand. I dont know this is how I see it anyway.
November 21, 2019 at 3:27 pm #51523Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterNobody speaks for me Kosmos. Jeez, you get your own site and that is still not obvious?😄
As for your confusion, it is not possible for me to repeat every single day that I do not like or support Trump. That you appear to think it is needed I think attests to the 95% of the press I mentioned above. It’s like you have to explain ad nauseum that you’re not in either camp, and that’s just utterly stupid.
November 21, 2019 at 3:29 pm #51524J.A.KosmosParticipantDr. D its not just from them. Come on. He is saying things, associating with people and ideas and loads of independent thinkers hate his guts completely regardless of the Democrats insanity based on statements and policy. There might be a grand conspiracy involving seemingly independent people but in spite of your complex, interesting thinking in general I think you simplify this question. And I really dont appreciate the strawman thing earler, I am not in the filter bubble you accuse me of. I read Raül daily, Kunstler, Orlov, you every time you post, no CNN, MSNBC. I agree with your basic values, I see merit in your views on Trump but I still dont trust him.what if he wrangles control over the spy agencies and media. Think he will give them up? I dont, thats where we differ.
November 21, 2019 at 3:35 pm #51525Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterAlso, as I’ve said 1000 times, the idea that I should ‘balance’ my articles better gets destroyed by the fact that the news is so unbalanced. I AM the balance. Has this cost us readers? No doubt, but what am I to do? Make up stuff so they feel better?
November 21, 2019 at 3:39 pm #51527J.A.KosmosParticipantWell Raül you have taken a concious desicion to just leave out what you dont like about Trump. I have’nt seen you spell it out once, and thats where the problem lies. If its even a problem. Anyone can project whatever they like on you just saying your not in his camp but without specifying why. I dont understand why the perplexes you? People will fill in the empty space. I think I know things you dont like about him but I dont know because you haven’t told us even once. It’s fine but dont be supriced by the effects. Do you get what I mean or am I crazy? It seems so obvious to me. Vacuum >projection.
November 21, 2019 at 3:41 pm #51528Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterI don’t understand your point about Dr D, but remember he speaks for himself, not for me.
And I don’t know where you see a strawman.
November 21, 2019 at 3:53 pm #51529J.A.KosmosParticipantIn another thread he insinuated I think aimed at me everyone who dislikes Trump is duped by msm. That post was only aimed at him.
November 21, 2019 at 4:25 pm #51531zerosumParticipantNobody here is in a position to change the world.
We are all old babbling seniors.
The enablers, (lawyers, accountants, bankers), don’t care about all of our words.
Get over your frustration for not being recognized for your witt and, abilities.
Enjoy your retirement.November 21, 2019 at 4:27 pm #51532J.A.KosmosParticipantCant avoid it, need to get this out of my system.
My point is exactly, how to differentiate you from people who speak as though they know what you mean when you leave out all information on the issue and let us fill in the blanks of why exactly you are not in Trumps camp. I think I can fill them in, I’m pretty sure of it but I cant know because you leave it out. Last post from me for a while. Think it sums up my analysis of why you get so much anger directed at you.
November 21, 2019 at 5:03 pm #51535John DayParticipantTrump is sure weird, which looks like a big part of why he was elected, his anti-appeal.
We are in weird times. This weirdo “turned pro”, to channel Hunter S Thompson/
http://www.johndayblog.com/2019/11/left-unsaid.htmlGoogle search results by candidate are not released this time.
Tulsi Gabbard led each of the previous times.
That’s not a preferred narrative. Bernie, either…
Would MSNBC ever dare favor the Democratic Party establishment? Of course not!
Just kidding. But I at least thought that the de facto media arm of the Democratic National Committee might be a little bit more discreet. Wednesday night’s debate in Atlanta, moderated by MSNBC, was openly skewed toward Warren and tried to all but ignore outsiders such as Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang.
This was evident from the debate’s very first half hour. Warren got at least three questions before Yang or Gabbard were even acknowledged.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/this-msnbc-democratic-debate-is-rigged-against-anti-establishment-candidates-like-tulsi-gabbard-and-andrew-yangBernie Sanders gets routinely slandered by MSNBC, not merely ignored.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/11/corporate-media-bernie-sanders-bias-msnbc-warren-bidenSanders took a principled stand on US Foreign (AKA “war”) Policy. This is a huge initiative.
“One of the big differences between the vice president and myself is he supported the terrible war in Iraq, and I helped lead the opposition against it,” declared Sanders. “And not only that, I voted against the very first Gulf War as well. And I think we need a foreign policy which understands who our enemies are that we don’t have to spend more money on the military than the next ten nations combined.”
Responding to a question about whether he would negotiate a deal with the Taliban in order to get the United States out of Afghanistan, Sanders argued that the time has come to “rethink the entire War on Terror.”
“I think it is time, after spending many trillions of dollars on these endless wars which have resulted in more dislocation and mass migrations and pain in that region, it is time to bring our troops home,” said Sanders...
Sanders seized every opportunity to outline foreign-policy alternatives in the fifth round of Democratic debating. Joining several of the candidates in calling out President’s Trump’s approach to Saudi Arabia, he declared that “Saudi Arabia is not a reliable ally.” Sanders argued that the United States must promote negotiations between the Saudis and the Iranians, telling both “we are sick and tired of us spending huge amounts of money and human resources because of your conflicts.”
That in itself was a strong statement, but the senator did not stop there.
“The same thing goes with Israel and the Palestinians,” said Sanders. “It is no longer good enough for us to be pro-Israel, I am pro-Israel, but we must treat the Palestinians with the dignity they deserve.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/palestine-debate-bernie-sanders/November 21, 2019 at 5:05 pm #51536J.A.KosmosParticipantzerosum: Im in my thities, trying the best I can. Slowly getting disillusioned and hopefully wiser.
November 21, 2019 at 5:07 pm #51538John DayParticipantLook there, an Impeachment!
House Democrats have slipped an unqualified renewal of the draconian PATRIOT Act into an emergency funding bill – voting near-unanimously for sweeping surveillance carte blanche that was the basis for the notorious NSA program...
A roll-call vote on the bill was split exactly along party lines, with all 230 Democrats standing up for unconstitutional mass surveillance – including progressives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-New York) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minnesota), who spoke out against it earlier. Two other Democrats opted not to vote, but not a single representative dared oppose party groupthink.
https://www.rt.com/usa/473842-patriot-act-betrayal-democrats-house/
https://newrepublic.com/article/155793/hell-democrats-just-extend-patriot-actMy read on Trump diplomacy on the Korean Peninsula is that he is suddenly adding this $5 billion increased price for keeping American occupation forces in South Korea, to facilitate a step-down of those forces, which is what North and South Korean governments want. Koreans don’t want to be 2 countries at war with each other, just because they were occupied by competing outside powers after WW-2. Maybe I’m wrong, but I see a pattern.
Though South Korea had successfully negotiated cost sharing agreements for decades, the current timing to the crisis couldn’t be worse, given stalled US-DPRK talks and threats of new missile tests, not to mention the looming US presidential elections next year. CNN reports of the crisis:
The sudden end to the talks, which were in their third round, comes amid renewed tensions between the allies after President Donald Trump hiked the price tag for US forces roughly 400% for 2020, a move that frustrated Pentagon officials and deeply concerned Republican and Democratic lawmakers.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-south-korea-talks-abruptly-halted-over-trumps-47bn-price-tag-troopsNovember 21, 2019 at 5:15 pm #51539John DayParticipantI just sent Bernie some money for what he said last night. I have not done that since 2016 primary season, supporting Tulsi Gabbard as the anti-war candidate, but Bernie just went “over the top” as they said in WW-1 trench-warfare.
It wan’t a lot of money, but a lot more than the $2.70 he’s been bugging me for for months.November 21, 2019 at 5:19 pm #51540John DayParticipantI have to wonder if Sanders think the financial crash will come before erection-day, even before the Democratic primary.
Is he positioning himself on the potential timeline of elite disarray and desperation?
Just speculating… He sure looks like he is really running.November 21, 2019 at 5:21 pm #51541zerosumParticipantThe snowball is rolling. More info about the enablers in the Ukraine.
Vindman & Fiona Hill are represented by Boies, Schiller & Flexner. That law firm also did work for Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company that paid Hunter Biden millions of dollars. That firm also employed Hunter Biden & paid him more than he’s worth. Weird, huh?
This same law firm also represents Stephan Halper from the Russian Collusion hoax.
Another researcher M3thods on twitter has also discovered a connection to Schiff:November 21, 2019 at 5:31 pm #51542zerosumParticipantDid you miss
The Ukraine scandal timeline Democrats and their media allies don’t want America to see
December 12, 2018:
Ukrainian court rules that the efforts by Ukrainian parliamentary member Sergey Leschenko and NABU chief Artem Sytnyk to publicize the Manafort black ledger documents in 2016 were an improper foreign intervention in the American presidential election.
Validation: https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/publication-of-manafort-payments-violated-law-interfered-in-us-election-kyiv-court-rules.htmlNovember 21, 2019 at 6:17 pm #51545Maxwell QuestParticipantI would have no trouble adding my signature to the letter Ilargi posted above. And as a faithful reader of TAE I believe the author is more concerned with getting at the truth than picking sides or, god forbid, worried about his popularity.
For example, there are many things I like about Trump, and many more that I dislike. Like Kosmos, I see in Trump, because of his personality defects, the potential dictator that would enjoy the parades, banners, statues, and the “great-leader” worship that we so despise coming out of NK. After the smooth talking “Turns out I’m really good a killing people.” Obama, however, he’s a breath of fresh air.
I would not want to start my day without TAE and its comment section. Whether I agree or not, most contributors make interesting points that shed new light on current events. And isn’t that really why we are here?
November 21, 2019 at 7:25 pm #51547Rayner86ParticipantAs a dedicated TAE reader, I want to thank you Raul for the hysteria-free analysis. I would also echo/endorse Maxwell’s comments above as he pretty much captures my thoughts on the subject. Keep on, keepin’ on!
November 21, 2019 at 8:13 pm #51548zerosumParticipantRE: Salvador Dali Figure at a window 1925
Unbelievable Transparency SkillsAgree
new light on current events. And isn’t that really why we are here?November 21, 2019 at 9:23 pm #51549Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterKosmos,
I’ve ventilated my opinion of Trump a hundred times here, and if you’ve missed all of them, there’s only so much I can do about that. And that is the issue here. I am acutely aware of it, but my hands are bound and tied. I cannot include a disclaimer with every article I write that says “But I don’t like Trump”.
Nor can I write much if any negative things about the man, because the MSM have monopolized that schtick. You write an anti-Trump thing, you belong to the NYT crowd. And that’s not where I want to be. But yeah, it’s a dilemma. It’s not that I leave out information, but that I can’t endlessly repeat it.
But, you know, this is not so much about me, but about that monopoly. The MSM don’t have the problem with that constant repetition that I have; they even live off of it. I apparently hold my readers in higher regard than they do. And I refuse to let them set the agenda, even if that means people like you getting confused. And it’s not like they don’t already write enough of it.
So yeah, if I write negative things about Trump, I’m in New York Times territory, and that is most certainly not where I wanna be. I don’t write things because I know people will eat it up, which is what they do. I write what I think is true. And I may be wrong about certain things, but I still do.
I can’t write more “balanced”, because that takes me into hoods I don’t feel good in. And I’ve already stated so many times how I feel about Trump anyway, so what’s the use? Trying to attract people who are MSM readers and viewers but feel a little queasy? Or should I use my time to just say what I think and feel is important, and hope they will catch up?
You know, this should no longer be their territory, because they’ve sold out. Their credibility is shot and they won’t ever get it back. But sure, it’ll take while for people to realize that, and in the meantime they can make a few more bucks. Until Trump retires (he won’t be impeached, and there are no credible Dems competitors), and then they can all go broke.
But the way things are going, I may well go broke first. True enough. But I will have stuck to what I think is true.
November 21, 2019 at 10:24 pm #51550boilingfrogParticipantI also greatly appreciated the words from North of my border.
If your 737 Max is flying upside down I think you’d be headed for a power-on stall (if MCAS kicks in). In a similar manner, if one’s reading was NOT tempered by sites such as TAE, you’d also be getting positive feedback and getting farther away from stability.
November 21, 2019 at 10:36 pm #51552boilingfrogParticipantSadly, when trying to discuss issues, whether Skripal or Assange or just about anything, I always seem to have to preface my comments with: “I’m not a Trump fan”. I get it, Raul, It gets really old.
I just wrote a wide-ranging letter to family back in the Midwest and felt compelled to call them before it arrived and say, “I’m NOT a Trump fan. I’m just trying to look at the issues”.
NPR is on in the background and the woman who testified today is heard saying: “It wasn’t Ukraine, it was Russia!” Really? Still haven’t seen evidence of election meddling… (8 programmers trolling on Facebook wouldn’t make a dent against K Street).
And then there’s Giuliani throwing out HIS bogeyman: “It’s George Soros!”
Keep it up, Raul (as long as you’re able and willing)
November 21, 2019 at 10:42 pm #51553zerosumParticipantI seem to be finding that there is more and more blogs digging and finding info on the Ukraine.
I bring them to your attention because I think that you are interested.
If these pieces of info are not interestingTO YOU then don’t read them. You can find alternative point of view on CNN.
FOX use 5 people on outnumbered to discus their opinions. CNN is now up to 9 people sitting at the discussion table. I SUPOSE THAT 9 PEOPLE WILL BE MORE DEMOCRATIC AND TRUTHFULL.
/SBusiness NewsNovember 20, 2019 / 12:42 PM / a day ago
Ukraine widens probe against Burisma founder to embezzlement of state fundsIlya Zhegulev
https://patriotssoapbox.com/politics/head-of-burisma-goes-missing-after-indictment-pasternak-schiff-being-investigated/
Written by
Radix Verum
November 21, 2019from
UPDATE — Head of Burisma Holdings Linked to Hunter Biden Is Indicted in Ukraine – THEN GOES MISSING
by Jim Hoft November 20, 2019November 21, 2019 at 11:02 pm #51555zerosumParticipantI PROMISE, LAST ONE FOR TODAY.
July 2019: Ukraine launched probe of military sale by fundraiser for Adam Schiff
July 2019: Ukraine launched probe of military sale by fundraiser for Adam Schiff
By J.E. Dyer September 30, 2019November 22, 2019 at 12:12 am #51556HerrWernerParticipantFox News used to be laughable (and an outlier, as a major outlet) for its low quality of reporting. Irrespective of them being right-leaning, I couldn’t stand to watch. If they interviewed someone with a non-Fox view, they would throw out jabs about their appearance, irrelevant ad-hominem attacks, silly accusations (of the “when did you stop beating your wife?” variety) to throw them off balance. Just childish stuff. Couldn’t watch it. It was mentally exhausting to sit through, having to tease out a fact or two from the discussion and discard the rest. It was amusing but pretty harmless (or seemed so 20 years ago)
Here’s the thing though – they’re ALL like that now! No one in the media seems concerned with objectivity. Even dear old NPR, formerly stalwart, introspective, neutral (well, left-leaning, but mostly fair) NPR. The news media, every major outlet that I can find, freely mixes opinion and fact and thinks nothing of it. The jabs are the same as they used to be on Fox – an unflattering picture, clear tones of contempt from the voice of the talking head, facts cherry-picked. Childish, juvenile reporting. I listened to an NPR newscast a few weeks ago, before the impeachment inquiry got up steam. They were talking about the cost of low-income housing, of all things, and they still managed to pepper it with anti-Trump jabs. Something as neutral a subject as housing had to be saturated with an agenda. That seems to be common editorial practice from every conventional media outlet. It’s been normalized, I think.
Illargi, your article and the email nailed it. It used to be *reasonably* common practice in the media to clearly delineate between a news piece and an opinion piece, and between facts and analysis. They taught us that in HS. You can combine them into one piece if you want, insert opinion in among facts, but call it out for the reader: “I think” or “this reporter believes.” Most news outlets did that, even TV reporters a generation ago.
November 22, 2019 at 12:18 am #51557V. ArnoldParticipantNobody here is in a position to change the world.
We are all old babbling seniors.
The enablers, (lawyers, accountants, bankers), don’t care about all of our words.
Get over your frustration for not being recognized for your witt and, abilities.
Enjoy your retirement.Spot on zero…
Ilargi, that e-mail was likewise, spot on. I think there is some projection aimed at you going on here.
It would be nice to see your readers taking responsibility for their own shit/biases.
You’ve done a remarkable balancing act under the circumstances, which is why I’m here and not lost in the fantasy world of the CCMSM (corporate controlled).November 22, 2019 at 12:39 am #51558boscohorowitzParticipantIt seems that if one doesn’t adequately despise Trump above all other politicos, one has wed the devil.
Maybe it would appease some peop-le if we had a 5-minute Daily Hate of all things Trump.
I’ll start… oooh! golf! hair spray! dirty deals! erratic syntax! rambling soundbites! twitter tweets! oooh! We hates the Trumpe, we hates him!!!!
November 22, 2019 at 12:51 am #51560V. ArnoldParticipantMaybe it would appease some peop-le if we had a 5-minute Daily Hate of all things Trump.
That is a stunningly bad idea…even if in jest…
November 22, 2019 at 2:34 am #51562V. ArnoldParticipantI honest-to-god, do not believe the majority of Usians have a clue, just how close to Orwell’s nightmare they’ve come.
They’re riding the razors edge of totalitarianism now; its but a mere click away…November 22, 2019 at 3:58 am #51563VietnamVetParticipantThe core issue in Ukraine is the basic lie of “Russian Aggression”. The West supported the overthrow an elected government in Kiev in order to access their resources and destabilize Russia. The Nineteenth Century’s “Great Game” modernized for the nuclear age. Seizing Ukraine’s natural gas plus America’s military aid are utterly corrupt. Since 2014 Ukrainians are dying so corporations can make more money. Not any different from Boeing, PG&E, Juul Labs or Perdue Pharma. The paid media and political participants will strenuously avoid mentioning the corruption but instead scapegoat Russia. Even more dangerous than the first Cold War with the Soviet Union, a new war with the Russian Federation was ignited by the Obama/Biden Administration in Ukraine. Even worse, Donald Trump appears intent on adding China to the endless Eurasian Wars.
November 22, 2019 at 7:41 am #51564J.A.KosmosParticipantRaül: Like I said I get it, I think I like it when it comes down to it. I dont agree that you clearly critique Trump at times, but I see it between the lines. Guess I’m not smart enough but I feel I am in good company in that case. I’m partly playing the devils advocate here because no one of the readers who seem to disagree with your stance seem to want disscuss it openly in the threads any more. Keep it Raül!
November 22, 2019 at 8:11 am #51566J.A.KosmosParticipant“Outside an ancestral environment (or a small village), you cannot be both ethical and striving for people to like you.” -Nassim Nicholas Taleb
November 22, 2019 at 12:50 pm #51583₿oogalooParticipantKosmos has a long way to go in his education. In addition to Kunstler and Orlov I suggest the badass Jimmy Dore. The world is not as binary as Kosmos would like to believe, and at least Jimmy could provide some laughs along the path of enlightenment.
November 22, 2019 at 2:24 pm #51590DegringoladeParticipantThis has been one sorta-interesting comment string. But unfortunately, it has been one I have been living for the past three years.
Disliking the Trumpster and disliking the Dem’s and the Media at the same time is not a popular position to take. There seems to be a need in this society for “closure”. Where we all get together and hammer out a consensus where all can agree that one side is good and the other is bad.
But that just isn’t the case this time around. There aren’t any good actors out there. I think this simple fact is what has gotten us into a swivet.
But truthfully, I think at the end of the day, all of this is centered around who will take the blame for the fall when it comes about. Both parties and the media have backed us into a corner where overpopulation, environmental degradation, and energy source losses will force a fairly serious degradation of lifestyle.
What we are seeing is the run-up to the festival of consequences and the finger pointing blaming the other side when the bigger problems we are facing get some serious traction.
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