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Decades of pounding in The Message means that someone can practically say “I call a #3!” and assume the other party must accept all of the givens underlying it.
fast, Robin, use the QuickAmnesia™
you write 37 words for each one i do.
Knowing you were going to say this, I explained it 3-4 times in the past couple days before you did it.
I’m just not willing to accept the underlying givens, axioms, Boomer Truths on which Winning Quips™ are based. You get to reference pages of implicit message and be as oblique as you want and then I get to unpack it.
I don’t know how you win by being oblique – but ok, I’m not arguing with you after all — I’m not missing the mark as far as the point I mean to make unless you go to the trouble to make an argument. So your post made me think of something that interested me – thanks then – uncontested, if I understand that we’re not actually having an argument, right? I argued, made my point, right past you.
Because
everything you imagine about me is completely wrong.
And we both like Vonnegut. Want to dissavow the idea that I’m complicit in the sins of Empire, or what?
all of us do benefit from the horrors of empire
i never said, “collective guilt”
I’ll allow that it’s possible you’re so broken it’s like the water you swim in, the air you breathe, and you cannot see it, as opposed to it being something you are cynically doing. In which case, I’m trying to help you.
This is one of those Critical Theory things – every interaction has an oppressor and a victim.
To find the oppressor, discover who benefits. That is the one who has Privilege and should be oppressed to Make It Fair.
Decades of pounding in The Message means that someone can practically say “I call a #3!” and assume the other party must accept all of the givens underlying it.
all of us do benefit from the horrors of empire
You just argued Collective Guilt again while going “Ho-HO I never said it. I never SAID…”
Yes exactly, you are being oblique.
And you’re discussing with someone who owns every book by Vonnegut and has read them all multiple times. Sirens of Titan is my favorite. Fates Worse Than Death is underappreciated. My taste for Vonnegut is predictable, actually – in line with my Atheism towards Christianity, Socialism, and all other mystical superstitions.
I had an accounting class in which the teacher recounted a difficulty he had with a boss. Boss kept giving him bad reviews based on the balance sheet for his department.
He had tried earnestly to meet expectations, but eventually realized that most of the things on the report were not under his control.
In exasperation, in a 1 on 1 during another berating, negative review, he said, ok, I’ll make changes right now, let’s discuss them together. Crossed his salary out on the balance sheet, wrote in double the number – “No, you can’ do that!” Okay, so that isn’t a cost I control. Crosses it out.
Goes down the list suggesting reasonable, useful alterations to each line item – no, no, no, no, no. As he hears “no” he crosses them out. Does the math really quick and presents him with a new performance report based on just the things he can control. Basically nothing, but what’s left doesn’t deserve a negative review. Manager lost his shit, of course. Called it insubordinate. The old go-to.
If you made a distinction between The Blob and normal, decent Americans, that would be a totally different thing.
I’ve considered this invitation to feel-along-with, to tear my hair, wear sackcloth and ashes, experience demoralization regarding my nation, culture, civilization, and with QUITE a lot of thought, consideration, knowledge, I am declining the invitation. You can feel it by and for yourself. Own it.
You made clear yesterday anybody who eats a banana is guilty of overthrowing countries and causing the suffering and injustice towards millions. If eating a banana does THAT… I mean, it’s no big deal, I’m just CURIOUS…
Since you KNOW you are part of a system and therefore benefit and are therefore complicit and are therefore guilty of baby murdering, I’m just wondering if you’ve turned yourself over to the authorities yet.
And if the authorities expressed incomprehension, what have you done personally to see that justice is done? Have you imprisoned yourself for 20-25 years or perhaps opted for the death penalty? …because you seem to be posting to the internet and jail cells and the afterlife don’t have internet access to my knowledge.
But you’re pArT oF a sYsTeM, so you’re a baby murderer too, after all, Collective Guilt. You benefit from The System. Ergo Complicit. Ergo murderer, murderer.
Once I realized that the Wokeists (socialists, marxists, neo-marxists, communists, whatever you want) are waiting on the edge of their seat to meatsuit the Palestinian issue with hundreds of billions of dollars backing them, I said fine, it’s yours. Take it.
But I will not lend a calorie of my effort to your meatsuit. And your cockblock of actual peace efforts is on YOUR heads. YOU thought it was better to “capture the energy” and make the answer MOAR socialism, moar intersectionalism, critical theory, etc. Instead of actual, real things that matter.
I’ll wait until they disavow and put humanitarian concerns as top priority or until they are removed as a major force in the public sphere. In the meantime there will be crocodile tears, pearl-clutching, hand-wringing, nagging, browbeating from the very people cynically leveraging the suffering of others for something else.
What was it socialists were totally retardedly saying about insurance “profiting about the suffering of others”? EVERY TIME, socialists do EXACTLY THAT. “Leverage” issues for moar socialism and make problems WORSE for socialism, not fixing things, not helping. Is a century and a half of making things WORSE for the working class, treating the working class as stupid dumb animal deplorable patsys, rubes, useful idiots who ought to “rise up” against their best interests, is that too long of PROFITING OFF THE SUFFERING OF OTHERS, socialists?
Maybe like medieval monks making a vow of chastity, you could make a vow of HANDS OFF (you like Hands Off, right?) and just stay fucking SILENT on Gaza, stop with the paid agitators etc, just let people with an actual conscience decide things? Just this one time, this one thing, for decency’s sake?
Let’s examine Collective Guilt Math.
United Fruit’s actions were 0.0152 Hitlers. For argument’s sake, let’s say that.
1 billion customers have eaten United Fruit bananas. 0.0152 Hitlers/1,000,000,000 customers = 0.0000000000152 Hitlers.
It is difficult to express how little guilt I should feel – if I express it in PicoHitlers™, then I should feel 15.2 PicoHitlers™ of guilt about the bananas.
Maybe this seems too large, so I will express the same amount in NanoHitlers™. I should feel 0.00152 NanoHitlers™ of guilt about the bananas.
Wait, but that can’t be right, can it? I feel at least 0.01 MicroHitlers™ worth of guilt when I forget to feed my cat and am an hour late! That’s many thousands of more minute fractions of Hitler level guilt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix
no, no, this seems wrong, that I should be able to walk around enjoying sunshine, breathing, holding babies, etc. I should be depressed. I should feel miserable and guilty anytime a banana comes up. I should randomly think of bananas and have my whole day – nay, whole life – ruined! I should eat the gruel people get to eat when released from The Matrix.
Why though? Because I ought to be feeling the FULL FORCE of guilt over United Fruit. EACH OF US should be feeling the full force of the guilt over united fruit!
0.0152 Hitlers x 1,000,000,000 customers = 15,200,000 Hitlers!
There ought to be 15.2 MegaHitlers™ of guilt out there on planet earth! Over the 0.0152 Hitlers worth of evil that was committed!
15.2 MegaHitlers™!!!!!!!
Is not guilt perhaps ITSELF corrosive, harmful in its nature? Can we see any evident suffering, insanity, chaos, problems emerging from non-dischargable guilt?
United Fruit is hardly at the top of the Guiltlist.
If we add every last thing we could experience communal group guilt over, what is it? GigaHitlers™ of Collective Guilt? Never! PetaHitlers™? Don’t be absurd. Surely YotaHitlers™ of Collective Guilt, at a bare minimum, should be swirling around the Earth, impacting and buffeting all Earth-dwelling humans as they try to go about their business, surely, like people trying to walk to the burger joint on their 30 minute break or push a shopping cart of food to their car in a hurricane. Surely the Shared Guilt should knock them all down, leave them clinging to the PigglyWiggly™ parking lot asphalt trying not to be blown away.
We GenXers heard this CONSTANTLY from teachers, public speakers, boomers everywhere, “we” hold tremendous guilt, “we” are tremendously wasteful, YOU are going to have to “change the world,” YOU are going to have to Save The Planet.
At least we lived with it up close and built up an immunity to it, to mock it – most of us. For Millenials, it seems like it was more crushing due to being less personal and coming more from authority figures and institutions. For Gen Z’ers, it’s a cartoonified, clownified, exaggerated version of Boomer Wisdom, amped to not 11 but a billion because they’re on death’s doorstep and are determined to “leave their mark”
The insanity that the Boomer Paradigm has snowballed up to is massive. Students are openly being taught by teachers to hate themselves, that their very existence is a sin on the planet, that everything they do is guilt-ridden, that even if they are passive, they hold tremendous non-dischargable guilt from multiple group-guilt vectors. This is why, for instance, people are going insane and taking castration drugs and going through surgeries or trying to groom others for it – to escape the identity which carries the unbearable group guilt. You would snip the cable bringing current to the torture device shocking you, wouldn’t you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvcUyEnXsmU
But this is how we have been implicitly valuing – or being told to – value our LIVES for decades. To organize our politics. To direct our economies.
But maybe perfection was never, ever in the cards. Maybe Jordan Peterson tells Marxists to clean their room because in just trying to make your room actually nice, you find how tough perfection is – just with one room. And to improve your environment, the part under your control and responsibility, is to improve your psyche – there is no difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdsLeeQ4s_Q
It is a noted tactic of Malignant Narcissists who live in a household with their victim, that when their victim does something good, they pounce on them in the act and assail them with all the things they are NOT doing. It demoralizes. It takes the wind out of their sails. To be in a positive mood is definitionally a mood in which positive things can be done. They learn, painfully, that sullen passivity is the only thing that avoids pain.
you do not deserve to be in a positive mood – AND you ought to do absolutely every conceivable positive thing which is a total impossibility. ALSO impossible, as you need your BRAIN in order to do anything, including positive things, and definitionally, a positive mind state is one in which positive things can be done. In any other state, it cannot be done.
Unless you want to be negative and insane and not do positive things and perhaps do evil things, you will grant that you must be sane and have a positive state. Therefore you choose the scope under your command and improve it – BUT ALSO, you must have the confidence to reject these sorts of infinite demands on one’s conscience. To laugh at them as the falsities they are. Reject “consciousness-expansion.” Reject the breaking down of barriers and boundaries. Reject infinity.
That’s great that Smedley Butler and United Fruit were operating as philanthropist-looters
clearly did all they did just trying to be evil in order to be charitable to me. Read my mind and decided it was really what I needed without consulting me. Does this function like TrumpTelepathy™?
Really selfless to take the evil on themselves just to give me bananas.
oh wait no, I’m supposed to take all their evil on MYSELF.
So still collective guilt, since the weight of ALL the sins of United Fruit before we were born must push down on each banana eater in full. MULTIPLICATION of collective guilt, even!
So you’re just RE STATING collective guilt, you just decided to do ECONOMIC collective guilt, which totally doesn’t have marxist academic underpinnings, right?
Back up and prove collective guilt, THEN prove economic collective guilt, THEN convince me I should participate.
You’re like a Christian who, upon hearing there’s no proof for ONE thing, just starts witnessing 42,631 MORE things that they ALSO would have to prove.
…and if you are sincerely thinking of yourself as being drenched in blood due to collective guilt, maybe you are being way, WAY too hard on yourself and should be questioning this underlying assumption, questioning how they got you to accept it as an axiom BEFORE you started considering the guilt.
Give yourself a break! Are you directing drone strikes on weddings, dumping oil drilling runoff into the jungles of Ecuador, overthrowing foreign nations? Who, if anyone, benefits if you “own” these events that are not yours?
there will be no one in this administration who is not compromised. everyone i know, including myself, has the blood of the innocent on their hands. i do not know a single person who is penitent.
Females are just as competitive as males – possibly moreso. The weapons and tools are different.
One weapon is female sabotage. Here’s a typical – stereotypical – example. There’s a woman who is happily married, doing well. The rest of her friend group that she goes out and has margaritas with is NOT happy. Miserable.
They pressure her every way they can as a peer group, by example – this is what we all do, this is what everybody does, do the thing along with us…. to ruin her own marriage. Not just DOING the wrong thing though — think along with us, feel along with us. There is immense pressure, but NOT directly applied.
In sort of a weird mind-fuckery antithesis of empathy, it’s sort of “I’m feeling what your’e feeling. Here’s what I’m feeling. Now feel it along with me.” But it’s projective. All for the purpose of projecting onto the married, happy friend as sabotage. YOU should think/feel/do this “along with.”
I’ve noticed this more and more on the internet as the years go on, this style of “influencing”
I’M feeling/thinking/believing this thing, lots of other people do, do it along with me/us! Whether it is in any way sincere in the person saying it OR totally cynically manufactured, projected, for someone ELSE to experience, not at all about the presenter. The presenter is “sharing” and “emoting” etc and it is all for the other person to take up by osmosis, to be carried along by the general flow of the thing. A psychological Bernoulli effect
Take the place the US dollar holds in the world. No doubt, multiple people are ready to say to me “You are complicit!!!! You benefit!!!!” ….when of course I am not and do not. “But you’re IN a SYSTEM!!!”
So collective guilt and punishment then.
Wait, isn’t that against the rules of the Geneva convention, you monster?
But I should just join in and self-accuse because I got swept up in your performative bernoulli backwash.
Surely openly stating your basis of argument, proving collective guilt and punishment, getting open agreement from your partners in conversation should come BEFORE the All-Of-Us Wallowing In Blood Together bit.
You owe me a keyboard sir.
G Whoever wrote the worst song in the universe, Mambo #5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_LN3XEcnwH Whoever wrote the 2nd worst song I’ve Never Been to Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImHHKw8LMcMTrump Urges GOP To Raise Taxes On The Wealthy To Fund Economic Agenda: Report
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-urges-gop-raise-taxes-wealthy-fund-economic-agenda-reportRaising taxes goes against long-standing Republican orthodoxy. Trump’s willingness to propose a tax hike for millionaires demonstrates how much he has remade the GOP in his own populist image. Top Republicans have balked at other proposals that would raise levies on affluent households
Bet you’re regretting voting Trump NOW you stupid ignorant racist misogynist homophobe transphobe nazi kkk animal deplorables!
I’ve seen multiple suggestions that science is coming around to believing there IS some sort of memory transfer from parent to child and across generations possibly genetic.
In which case, yeah, if you want to imprint your ideas on/into people, what better way than injecting them with reverse-inscribing RNA?
The inexplicable and very inflexible, irrational, stupid association of ONE’S OWN PEOPLE AND CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION with ick, disgust, shame, anger, etc in politicians such as Starmer — could that be from some sort of MKUltra aversion “therapy”?
The thing about the Epstein files:
It pretty much has to be worse than the worst most people have imagined, even the people who have taken an active interest.
The CIA and proto-CIA was interested in mind control very early on. Let’s say the starting gun for developing it goes off fairly late, 1975, just for a margin to account for any error of setting it too early. That’s HALF A CENTURY.
What would they have developed over half a century?
–drugs that remove inhibitions
–drugs that turn off moral reactions
–drugs that make the brain super-plastic, to “learn” and “re-wire” quickly
–drugs to solidify “learning”
–subliminal messaging of various kinds
–the ability to directly access the pleasure and pain centers of the brain WITHOUT having to cut – electromagnetically?
–the ability to micro-lobotomize without having to cut (I saw, back in the 80’s, crude machines using multiple narrow radiation beams meeting at a single point, so that cancer could be targeted and killed with the intense radiation only at that one internal point – it’s been what, 40 years? You CAN’T micro-target a spot in the brain?)
–drugs that are instantly addictive and whose withdrawal symptoms are unbearable
–the ability to electromagnetically monitor the brain – for lie-detection, to monitor if the desired changes are occurring, if the right reactions to stimuli have been imprinted
So maybe you get a basically normal politician. Maybe even a moral one. You invite them to stay over for a weekend. You catch them while they’re in a hotel. Maybe you have developed a kit that fits in just a few suitcases. No longer even need the basement full of gear (didn’t they fill the Epstein tunnels with cement?)
You get someone overnight, you can imprint needs on them they never had before and become their supplier. Addict them to a drug only you have access to. Treat them, in an inhibitionless, morality-less state of high focus and total brain plasticity for 6-12 hours straight. Give them new top priorities or tie their previous loyalties and priorities to pain, shame, disgust, etc.
You could not only take advantage of someone’s predilections, you could put them in a state in which they have no inhibitions, feel no shame, etc and document it – or imprint upon them totally new things, the fulfillment of which they depend on you WHILE you document.
Why wouldn’t they? So maybe it isn’t just picking weirdos. Maybe they have been MAKING weirdos. Maybe they’ve got it down to a science after half a century and they just need x number of hours to accomplish it. We know of fairly crude methods from what, 5, 6 decades ago?
you are defending murderers. stop.
I think that’s my line.
Once something kills 150 million, saying “Yeah, but….” looks kinda—-
“BECAUSE WE ARE RELATIVELY MORAL”
just
fuck
off.
Right, right.
Your proposition being that morality is absolute, then we can do a simple value-calculation.
Trump, personally, by the things under his control, that he CAN change… let’ say he is personally responsible for a million deaths.
150 Million / 1 Million = 150 Million
Since there is no relative morality, we know with mathematical certitude, we can expect that you spend 150x the energy, number of text characters, number of posts here on the 150 Million Thing as you spend on the 1 Million Thing.
Do begin.
Okay, smart guys, WHO do you think CAN take us on?
What “they” like to do, whoever they are, is create anti-things.
Case in point, Ukraine is definitely in Russia’s sphere of influence. Part of Russia’s power, therefore. Making Ukraine fight Russia is pure profit, Russia fighting itself with its own strength.
How many Anti-Americas are there? What types, currently active in what ways? (there’s no question of IF there are any. All major American cities? California? The Pharma and Food industries? Hardly even started counting yet…)
And are there any dormant, sleeper Anti-Americas that could be activated, ones more suited to the proposed “go up against us” scenario?
Trans Teen Freed After Tesla Firebombing, Judge Cites Lack Of ‘Gender-Affirming Care’ In Prison
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trans-teen-freed-after-tesla-firebombing-judge-cites-lack-gender-affirming-care-prisonThe guy is facing 20 years on a domestic terrorism charge but has been set free because he can’t trans himself from behind bars.
I would think gender affirming care would involve at least temporarily cutting them off from people, messaging, drugs, etc that are convincing them of a fake reality contrary to their gender.
Then keep them in a professional facility where they are told over and over their gender, shown a mirror, stuff like that. One where weirdos trying to distort their sense of self aren’t allowed to enter and abuse them.
It would also be beneficial to isolate them from any malevolent media and internet messaging intended to demoralize them regarding their gender. Take some time with them to prove the dishonest, bad-faith nature of this messaging. Then they might stop trying to escape their gender like Steve McQueen in the Great Escape.
Saddled with crushing unattached shame and angst with no way to get rid of it? Only thing in sight in the future is moar of it? Can’t get a job interview let alone a job? Constantly on eggshells over everything, everyone continually waiting to pounce on you for being toxic/male and ALSO to pounce on you as “not a REAL man!”? But you can be praised as the bestest evar and get so, so much handed to you with one weird trick? Whyever are you wearing a dress, sir?
51% of internet traffic is non human now.
And does that even really catch ALL of it? Certainly it does not account for humans posting what was created using AI.
It also does not account for 3 letter agencies, gay fake cringe retarded political astroturf funded by NGOs, corps etc. All “leveraged” by technology as a “force multiplier”
And then all the people/NPC’s whose posts are based upon bot and astroturf activity. Surely I am ingesting artificial content myself and I have reactions to it.
The internet used to be FUN from what, 2002-2012? I’m seriously shopping for a new personal cassette player now and patting myself on the back for keeping my stick shift car. My watch is now an 80’s Casio model. My headphones are now the 80’s Portapro, because apparently nobody could invent something ACTUALLY superior (that does not require a more powerful amp to drive it thus actually WORSE on all phones, mp3 players, etc) in that price range. I WAS using an ereader because it was cheaper and more convenient. In theory, it IS still more convenient, but in practice, especially after Amazon ended the downloading of books, it’s MORE of a pain. It’s a huge, impossible task trying to find good new authors and that was most of why I got an ereader. I’m down to shopping used book stores again and downloading large chunks of Project Gutenberg.
for pop-out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofWmufzwUNo
“The biolabs are real!!!!!”
That is quite a delayed reaction to Victoria Nuland telling Congress, in public, broadcast on CSPAN and various news networks, announcing all the many biolabs in Ukraine were in Dire Peril – if Putin got his hands on them, it would be very, very dangerous.
That was in the first MONTH of the war, wasn’t it?
I met with an old friend about a year ago. He had been in the army when he was younger. Told me he just barely didn’t join up to fight for Ukraine as a merc. He is not a wealthy person, but he has nevertheless donated THOUSANDS of dollars to neo nazi organizations there.
…while being worried about Trumpian fascism, literally saying to me “But you must admit what an existential danger he poses to our democracy” I laughed and nodded because I thought he was doing the genx communication-via-sardonic-sarcasm bit. Repeat the Boomers’ words EXACTLY for maximum effect. Nope, totally serious.
He guffawed at the overthrow of the Ukraine government — I explained the leaked recording, the US State Dept PRESS CONFERENCE about that recording as REAL (to do damage control for having said “Fuck the EU” – but how would you need to smooth feathers by “explaining” and “creating spin” etc about a conversation that was not real? you’d just say “that’s a fake”)
I mentioned the biolabs and he guffawed “ho ho. what, an asprin factory???”
Dude, it was discussed by Congress and the US State dept on national television. You say you’ve spent THOUSANDS of hours studying the Ukraine conflict and you know nothing of even the coup or the biolabs? Nor the shelling of civilian populations for years?
The video comments will restore your faith in humanity
for pop-out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydSf57SRtcQ
really hitting that amygdala
enjoy your death machines
this person should not have been in the military because there should not be a military.
killing is not normal.
no other animal is so stupid.
aren’t you embarrassed that you talk of these things as if they are “normal”?
Are you at all actually familiar with animals, sir? You are alive, sir. You exist physically, in real actual reality. You are a human, a primate, a hominid, an animal.
You have a particular nature – this nature excludes all other possible OTHER natures.
You exist in A reality – this precludes all OTHER imaginable and non-imaginable realities. It too has a nature which precludes all other natures not of its own. And just to make clear, it exists in actually, actually existing, physically existing reality, as do you.
Nations without a military cease to be nations. This is and has always been in the nature of all known reality and there is no alternate reality which you and I have access to where this is not the case.
I remind you, you are a human with a physical existence and humans have a particular nature, which precludes having natures not their own.
Human beings live, exist, in organized groups – families, tribes, clans, nations, cultures. They organize. They are social. They organize around nations. This is how they cooperate, how they accomplish things, how they live. This IS normal human existence. It corresponds to normal human nature. Nations collapsing are understood to be calamities, accompanied by suffering, death, and other misfortunes — it is in the nature of reality for this to be the case FOR humans and it is in human nature for this to be so FOR them.
As humans exist in nations and nations cease to exist without a military, you are like some hollywood villain, who first uses a mind control ray:
“Expire! Die! Destroy yourself!” and the victims DO
…but in the last act, Our Plucky Heroes remove the battery, the flux capacitor, reverse the polarity, or whatever, and in the final act, when all hope is lost, so that when the villain does the same thing:
“Expire! Die! Destroy yourself!”
an ending much like the end of Superman 2 unfolds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3gJGuQQPnw
NO military > no nation. This is an anti human concept hostile to human life. Dead people don’t post ideas to the internet. You are not dead. You are still posting these ideas.
(would a socialist visiting the US advocate for No Military, then go home to the USSR and never, ever advocate for No Military – exactly. Would they say WHILE in the US “oh, no no, I am evenhanded! I am totally for ALL nations giving up militaries” …and then NOT advocate for No Military in the USSR when they get home – absolutely!)
These ideas are FOR OTHER PEOPLE, not for you. Clearly. Just like the “Self Defense Has No Home Here” yard sign is for other people.
They are for OTHER people to believe and for YOU to espouse.
This is not discussion – this is deployment of a cognitohazard.
Ergo, whatever unspoken idea motivates the attempt, doing harm via cognitohazard is seen as more pragmatically useful than expressing the actual idea – ergo it’s a garbage idea, not compelling based on its own persuasive value.
“you shall have no nation” I get it. What’s the opposite of having a nation? Is it something like… Globalism? Internationalism?
Certainly the US defense budget should be cut in half. Then cut in half again. Whatever remains should then do an interview with the Bobs to explain “what exactly do you do here?”
“this person should not have been in the military because there should not be a military.”
Do send us pictures of the large sign you put out in your front yard, one with big lettering, declaring:
“This is a gun-free zone. No knives or baseball bats either. This household never calls the police. Self-Defense Has No Home Here”
Kilmar Abrego Garcia Accused Of Being “Gang Member” In 2018 Sworn Affidavit
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kilmar-abrego-garcia-accused-being-gang-member-2018-sworn-affidavitKilmar Abrego Garcia, the ‘wrongly deported Maryland Dad’ that Democrats dropped everything to defend, was accused of being a gang member in a 2018 sworn affidavit by the father of his wife’s children.
“She [Vasquez Sura] try to kill herself and she left the kids with 11 year [old] to take care of them. And I’m afraid my kids lives are in danger because she is dating a gang member,”
Three years later, Vasquez Sura applied for a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming that he punched, scratched and grabbed her – leaving her with bruises and bleeding.
He was WITH a bunch of gang members when they got him!
we’ve learned that Abrego Garcia was suspected by a Tennessee state trooper of human trafficking in 2022 after he was pulled over for driving erratically in a black 2001 Chevrolet Suburban – owned by another individual, full of people – and that the SUV was owned by a man who was himself deported after pleading guilty to smuggling illegal aliens in 2020.
Human Trafficking = Slavery
Democrats: “no slave is illegal”
Presumably, THIS is the hill Democrats are willing to die on because of how many OTHERS like Kilmar Abrego they have in the country working for them. They must demonstrate their ability, their power to shield them. Mafia stuff. There’s an organization that falls apart if they do not do this, therefore screw the optics.
Ergo, the Democrats (or whatever is behind them) judges this organization, network, whatever, as even more vital than the viable existence of the Democratic party.
And what does this tell us about the time-horizon for planning – for the powers causing this thing? Shorter than the next presidential cycle? Shorter than mid-terms? WHEN and WHY will elections not matter?
The instructor/copilot would have been a political or at least quasi-political creature themselves – the social/career “dangers” of strongly contradicting her or overriding her at the controls were more real to him than the upcoming collision that he correctly predicted! He knew what was happening and somehow did NOT act to save himself.
Possibly other instructors already tried to ground her? Refused to fly with her? (how did she end up with an instructor who behaved like this?) Certainly her political handlers murdered that plane full of civilians. For petty reasons. Couldn’t even send their mascot to tough it out in Alaska for 6 months or something.
She was clearly well-connected – visiting the White House, doing nighttime helicopter training through an urban environment with 45hrs of flight time, etc. I assume with her looks, her obvious connections, an the obvious amount of pull altering how she was treated in the military, she was being groomed for a political future.
It’s possible that, by the criteria she was used to functioning in, things a lower social rank person said to her would be considered less important than her own thoughts/words/actions/etc. Social ranking value as opposed to flight instruction based value.
So the beta male assigned to her in this totally strings-pulled situation in which she is accustomed to obstacles, problems, being cleared for her, warns her, and she perhaps never had consequences in her life outside negotiating social hierarchies. She makes the “correct” evaluation of her own social standing vs his, knows she can continue doing what she wants? The instructor seems unnaturally deferential in how he phrases his direction for such a newb trainee. like if I had the CEO’s daughter doing a side-by-side with me in the call center on her first day of taking calls.
The mere fact she was in DC at all is proof positive that she was purely a political creature.
Her handlers would have been of the same mindset – stationed for your first 1,000 hours of flight time in North Dakota?!?! When square states are so very most icky? Heavens no.
In fact, someone forcing it on us, that our mascot must be sent off to scrubland somewhere for training would demean us, diminish us. Conversely, forcing the military to train her over the skies of DC would be a demonstration of, therefore a reinforcement of, our power.
The pilot had 45 hrs of flight time. Fuck, they won’t let you take a call at the call center with only 45 hours of training!
I’ve seen commentary asking why they turned their transponder off, leaving the airport and planes blind to their location – uhm, okay question I guess
…but why are they doing training flights through the airport? Does the military not have bases in areas where people can fly around, NOT over airports?
I’ve seen pics of the pilot smiling at the white house with the usual LGBT paraphernalia and dyed hair. Was their flight training over the busy Washington DC airport rather than scrubland in Nebraska so that this woman could Live Her Best Life and stay connected to self-actualizing self-advancement and political networking in Washington DC? Just like we prioritize for every student pilot, right?
Surely she wasn’t able to fly a helicopter around a busy metropolitan area with, for all intents and purposes, virtually the same as NO flight experience, for political/ideological reasons? Focus on the transponder though.
What meme would I make to sum up my rant?
A Boomer with an axe, crying out “Apples are the best! Ask anyone! I’m an Apple Man, through and through!”
While hacking away at the trunk of the apple tree with all his might, urging newcomers over to help, handing them axes.
Anyone objects and they scream at them “NO!!! I already SAID! Apples are the BEST!” blocks them from protecting the tree, rushes out to Home Depot, picks up day laborers to hack at it faster.
How autistic are you, to think you’re MORE loyal to apples by hacking away at anything that is not specifically and literally and exclusively JUST the fruit?
Fucking BRANCHES!?!? Fucking ROOTS????? Ew, Ickickick! Gosh I hate notapples. GET them! Get them all!
Rand Paul looks weird. Is that still him, or a double?
Libertarians will always let you down.
You can just say the WORDS “Free Trade” and you’ll find them defending having free working people compete with slave labor. REALLY? You cannot conceive that there is a fucking country which is yours that you have a preference for and that countries and peoples are different?
I checked out the Libertarians here in Denver about 15-20 years ago and it was a bunch of whackos. There were major players, “serious” leaders cosplaying as lesbian vampires while making political speeches. Just weird shit like that. And in the past few years, very obviously, they were overrun nationally by psychos, weirdos, and lots and lots of wokeists. Zero defenses, zero immune system, apparently.
I don’t get how Rand Paul could not understand what ordinary people are getting in 2025. People who would have otherwise gone about their little lives, worked some job, had their hobbies, have now considered deeply. Sargon, whose roots are in Gamergate, like MILLIONS of others, just wanted to play video games, just wanted to be left alone. Archcast just wanted to geek out on linux and board games but here he is casually explaining how Marcuse, Gramsci, and Friere relate to why a small company that released a board game is losing their minds and destroying their own business. Benjamin Boyce had no intention of chronicling the destruction of civilization. Richard Grannon thought he was just going to do life coaching. The Distributist would have just had a boring civil engineering job and raised a family quietly.
These are normal, ordinary, little people, who have nevertheless been able to grapple with weighty issues and have figured things out. And they are only representative of MILLIONS of others. (weird that D&D players, video gamers, comic book readers, are now educated to a remarkable extent to Frankfurt School and hate it actively now – many millions) It’s not their job, but they nevertheless performed way above anyone’s expectations. It IS Rand Paul’s job to understand context and meaning in the context of his duties, his position, and he’s just totally bewildered, clearly.
Liberalism, or at least how the Boomers interpret it, lacks a fucking immune system. Apparently ANYTHING can invade and a “staunch” Boomer Liberal will immediately become the most vehement quisling, in tones of righteousness, siding against anything that deserves their loyalty and protection.
WHAT is it, Liberal Boomers? Is it all the principles of Liberalism PLUS “in any dillema in which you could betray or not betray, always betray”???? How the FUCK do you decide “we have the best culture” ie our system of organizing our societies, right? and then follow that with “we must be eradicated. always side against the bestast thing evar”
This solidifies in my mind that Libertarianism IS Liberalism. Idunno, I mean, Liberalism, real Liberalism, is just a set way of doing things like Free Speech. So long as you have some kind of human loyalty to things that actually matter, it should not be cancer. WTF, in jumps Rand Paul to defend not defending.
The crisis in the West is that power and accountability must coincide AND DO NOT. Wherever power DOES coincide with responsibility, it “must” be eliminated!
The people with the real power are fucking INVISIBLE. I would not even know who to address any petition for complaint or redress. They are not interested in any discussion.
On the other hand, parties expected to “man up,” make things fair, fix things, etc, are held responsible, accountable WHILE having no power- or even, them having power would constitute a huge ick
I had an accounting teacher who recounted a tale of a job within corporate america, of getting a very bad review affecting any prospect of bonus, pay raise, or advancement. He was told his accounting was no good. Not efficient or effective, wasteful.
So being an accountant, he pulled up the entire expense report. Said “okay, how about this?” doubled his own salary, which was on HIS OWN report! Supervisor said no. But surely he is being judged on things within his control?
Tried crossing out expenses, certain employees, etc – supervisor said no.
He explained that anything on HIS performance report had to be within HIS power of control. Fucking REMOVE all the line items not under my control, motherfucker. Management did not comprehend. Your costs, Sir. Bad performance!
Perhaps this is the primary crisis of our age – that the same parties are expected to be both rendered powerless AND totally, completely responsible. …which is an impossibility.
If the government actually did real accounting – the kind of accounting that would not land you in jail if you were an LLC or sole proprietorship – then it would be, what, 150 trillion, 200 trillion in debt at this point?
$-150,000,000,000,000.00?
phoenixvoice – bravo – you sum up the problem!
I get the idea that perhaps the bottom two quintiles would be more upset at what the federal government does if they were paying for it and/or not receiving federal handout
you beat me to it as I was reading!
if the 4th estate was properly muckraking AND the electoral process was sufficiently free of fraud (multiple huge presuppositions) then we’d see some real change.
in the past 2.5 decades, I have often reflected, if the multi-trillion budget for wars/espionage in the middle east were directly taxed at the gas pump, how many workers would vote for pro-war candidates.
Maybe it would help IF awful policy decisions directly affected the common man and woman at the gas pump, at the grocery store? Part of me absolutely cheers to have consequences come home to roost on people who never bothered to even understand. Then again, only if they actually had a real say.
I don’t understand why Republicans can’t Judge-shop too and add injunctions like “you mustn’t stop” or “you’re only allowed to stop, only for specific individuals, if xyz criteria happens to be fulfilled”
Every time there’s an injunction, do an injunction that twists it around to its opposite. If it’s just a battle of semantics, after all. Or get ahead of it and do injunctions that preclude the expected Dem ones.
gotta follow injunctions, right? shrug.
Right, makes me back up and ask “what are you guys asking people to even forecast, what ACTUAL inflation will be? …or are we guessing what inflation # we will be TOLD?”
Did we manage to have sub 8% sometime around 2008, 2009?
Brainwashed Democrats Continue To See Imminent Inflation-pocalypse; But UMich Sentiment Improved Intra-Month
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/brainwashed-democrats-continue-see-imminent-inflation-pocalypse-umich-sentimentThe gaping chasm of propaganda-driven fear is evident below the surface with Republicans expected 0.4% inflation while Democrats expect – wait for it – 8.0% price rises in the next year
Democrats only expect 8% inflation? WTF.
…but then
…so ah, ….whichever party is politically on the back foot starts to see inflation more accurately?????
