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  • #197714
    Dr. D
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    Gold, Silver, “Biggest craaaaashhh Evah!!!!” ….At all time highs of $4k/$50 like just a week ago. Jesus, calm down.

    Bitcoin, way more hurtin’ – always is – but same thing.

    Look, you were never going to get a 100% rise, 50% just recently, with a hanna-banana vertical spike compounded, without somebody booking profits. It’s already TOOOOOO high if you want to keep the rally on an uptrend, and only demonstrates the strength by not crashing to like $3000/$30.

    What did you THINK would happen? Every RSI/Bollinger, every tech made this the most one-sided trade in the last 20 years. I mean, literally, ask Lanzi. Even if it’s run entirely by the Fed and PPT they can’t have this. That they let it means they’re sending a message, imo.

    “Peace Terms Unchanged Since Alaska Summit’: Kremlin Plays Nice With Trump, But Blasts Europe

    Right there in front of you. If the U.S. is running it all, then whyyyy?

    “These things are neither surprising nor unpredictable if you correctly diagnose what is the nature of this conflict and who are the stakeholders.” — Alex Krainer. “…They are a conflict between two types of government.” Colonialism, and everybody else, ie the “American System”.

    “White House Construction Crew Finds 1,357 More Cocaine Stashes “ –Bbee

    No Kings Day: “ Millions Gather To Express Total Ignorance About Political System” –Bbee

    Norway, Denmark, and arguably Canada, support their Kings by marching in the “No Kings” rally against the United States, who has no king. This is considered the height of intellectual wisdom by the smart people worldwide. The king, of course, allows this with no resistance whatsoever. This is while the king is shut down by Congress, and is obeying a hundred judicial injunctions, many of which are spurious, and lowers their taxes, increases their free speech and ability to buy guns.

    I know this is said often, what can anyone add? I got nothin’.

    “The Trump’s Commerce Department was in talks with several quantum-computing companies to buy equity stakes in exchange for federal funding, a signal that the Trump administration is expanding its interventions”

    As ever, I must have missed this part of the Constitution. And if it exists, pretty sure Congress has to demand and approve it, such that the President can “Execute” their wishes. Naaahh.

    “Zelensky Signs Letter Of Intent To Acquire Whopping 150 Swedish Fighter Jets Over Next 10-15 Years

    Ukraine has no money, Zelensky’s not their leader, and Ukraine will cease to exist in two. …Possibly WITH Sweden, the bomb and hand grenade capital of the world, as Europe collapses.

    Rand Paul Again Slams Trump Over Strikes: ‘If We Don’t Blow Up Boats Off Miami, Why Do It Off Venezuela?’
    Yes, we would have a legal case if they are at least near us. So would you like to explain what you’re doing and what’s really going on, why you’re really there and who you’re really fighting? Just say the CIA, everyone will believe you. Democracy means requiring an informed electorate.

    “”You’re Not The Only One With Guns”: Anti-ICE Organizer Issues Viral Threat After US Marshal Wounded In Ramming Incident
    The people have every right to defend themselves against masked, unidentified gunmen with AR-15s and other military rifles.…”

    You’re not allowed to ram people, you are required to withdraw. But He’s quite right. This is why you have to identify yourselves at a minimum and wear uniforms. It’s dangerous. But does he really want to tango in this fight? Go ahead, I guess. I don’t think it’s good tactics though.

    ‘We have seen Authority at work, and its work condemns it utterly.’ Joseph Dejacque

    “’When there is clarity, there is an end to authority.’ Krishnamurti

    #197715
    Topcat
    Participant

    Russia Test-Fires Yars Intercontinental Ballistic Missile During Nuclear Forces Drill

    Sleek black missile with blood red racing stripe, looks like a fully functional Black Widow Spider

    #197716
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Wow, the …. between page numbers, this is getting exciting!

    #197717
    kultsommer
    Participant

    What appears to be a permanent (cough) elephant (cough) in the (cough) room. Let’s not forget it.
    A plausible theory by Nick:

    #197718
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Dr D Rich said

    Christ almighty man!
    DBS needs an exorcist after his latest diatribe on you in defense of RIMs established pose on China and clapper bells.

    Well (no sarcasm intended) we knew that DBS was ((their)) water carrier. I wonder how much of the reported Israeli internet PR budget or 120 million goes to that rusty arsed fence sitting Catholic; maybe a dime?

    DBS is trying to persuade the world that Jews are not bad, the evidence being that Jews are not Jews. DBS has a comprehension problem, he does not understand how language works. If I say a puusy of DBS Hells Angels (pussy is the collective noun) are fucking children in mental homes, then DBS will get his pussies to tell me that they are not DBS Hells Angels, they are other hells angels, even though they have DBS Hells Angels on their jackets. Confusing, isn’t it. He needs to go back to kindergarten language class.

    I am sure he is masturbating when he types in messages to me; his words have they rythem of a man without standing.

    #197719
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    As an empire’s power increases it eventually reaches the point where that increase can no longer be checked, and from that point onward it does exactly that. It expands its wealth power with impunity and complete disregard for whether the exponentially increasing wealth and power (and impunity!!) is heading toward real success or dreadful failure.

    Once that tipping point of unchecked exponential increase of wealth, power and impunity is crossed then it can no longer be stopped or even reduced by any non-violent means except internal collapse due to the consequences of doing things for the sole purpose of increasing its owners’ wealth, power and impunity. Prayerful compliance with the inflexible laws of existence would fix things up, but those are the first things forbidden by the owners of wealth, power, and disregard for the welfare of anyone but themselves.

    Consequently (and this is all about consequences stemming from causes) this is precisely what can, must, should and SHALL happen.

    The stark fact of the matter is that when one does things right then they get a good result, and when they do things wrong the result is always failure. That’s a pretty broad statement, I must admit, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is true from one end of the spectrum of possible outcomes to the other. It’s just a fact, Jack, so just as soon as everyone wants to do, and does, do the right thing instead of the tempting thing then this world will become Heaven on Earth. Until then however, we’re going to continue having the Earth that we’ve got so far, and if you were looking for Hell and found Earth it would probably serve quite nicely.

    #197720
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @aspnaz

    What’s wrong aspie? You seem to be in particularly foul humor this fine day. Did I hit too close to the mark? Is there any psyop trope that you may have overlooked in your haste to make me the disgustingly horrible villain?

    Yeah. I think that’s what happened. You’re working for the very “Jews” that you pose to oppose. They want an “antisemitic” false flag even so that they can grab more money and power to quell it. And the only people that get harmed in the making of that picture are a bunch of “Jews”! What a plan.

    Luckily for you you are too fucking STUPID to understand any of this, which is exactly what you should expect to get for being so evil. It’s not rocket surgery, but to someone as blinded by greedy selfishness as you are then even the simplest of things appear to be total mysteries (to you). For example, even a small child implicitly understand that to punish an innocent person just because they have same name or label as a guilty person, is bad. But you think it’s okay to do in the case of Jewish people. You think that it’s just fine to kill them and harm them in other ways too, just because those perfectly innocent people are of the same “tribe” as a bunch of really bad people who happen to use the same name (Jew).

    Well, aspie, there it is isn’t it? See, I told you that you were stupid (and bad, too) to know the truth, but I do understand why you are. You’re stupid because the truth makes you wrong.

    #197721
    zerosum
    Participant

    HOURGLASS

    DIVERGENT, IRRELEVANT DISCUSIONS/ACTIONS ARE EXPEDITING THE LIMITED SUSTAINABLE RESOURCES.

    WISDOM IN OLD AGE.
    ————
    How far this madness has gone.

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/eu-declares-war-on-its-own-members
    EU Declares War On Its Own Members
    Simplicius
    Oct 22, 2025
    ———–
    Go read the presentation. Posted by: Clouds Of Alabama | Oct 23 2025 11:58 utc | 146

    Ukraine Open Thread 2025-246

    How can Western oil money be bankrolling Putin when Russia uses Roubles?
    Those Roubles have to have come from Russia in the first place.
    Since the West isn’t selling anything to Russia how does the West get the Roubles to pay for the oil at the moment?
    ———–

    #197722
    jb-hb
    Participant

    It’s been kind of interesting lately with Apsnaz4. My opinion on China is much like my opinion on Iran, that they’re the obvious power in their regions, and that working with that fact is way better than continuously trying to fight the power of gravity.

    Nevertheless, when I complain about Leftists in the WEST, Apsnaz4 jumps to their defense AND throws in a defense of China. As if I were criticizing China, possibly a long time critic, when in fact I’ve never had any beef with China. How did you know to defend China in these instances?

    Apsnaz establishes an interesting connection I had not been making.

    #197723
    those darned kids
    Participant

    y’all need to step back from the madness for a second, as it seems y’all are being roped into this camp or that cult, and y’all aren’t the type of people who normally fall for the madness.

    you are of the 16%* – that is why you type away your frustrations here.

    we all loathe the same people, we all want normal lives for our families, we all want healthy and vibrant environments, socities and debates. we all want the global police/surveillance state to wither. we all want the psychopaths to leave us alone, once and for all.

    we all want the killing to stop.

    #197724
    those darned kids
    Participant

    *humans be like this:

    80% the flock
    16%. the defenders of the flock
    4%. the psychopaths, the false prophets of profits, the misguiders of flock.

    #197725
    jb-hb
    Participant

    How Progressives Broke The Constitution And Praised Themselves For It
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/how-progressives-broke-constitution-and-praised-themselves-it

    The typical screed saying Lincoln and the North were Unconstitutional big meanies. Republicans need to stop indulging in the miasmic fantasies of their enemies.

    Start with the simple fact that it was the DEMOCRATS seceding and the REPUBLICANS under a republican president that defeated them. The democrats were miserable lying shits going back to then, even. THINK about what they want you to believe here. Remember who you are and who they are.

    One of the repeated lies is that the North were big meanies disrespecting States by invading and defeating the South. Let’s examine what brought you here:

    1. Declare yourself to be an independent nation
    2. Militarily attack another nation.

    We’re talking about disrespecting the SOUTHERN states. Unless your’e retarded and you meant Indiana but spend all your time implying the deep south and because you can’t construct a coherent argument at all? Nobody disrespected a United States state in Sherman’s march or cutting the Mississippi at Vicksburg, etc. BY YOUR OWN DECLARATION OF BEING A DIFFERENT COUNTRY. Why’d you start a war with a foreign power if you didn’t want one?

    I guess whether you’re a US State with rights or a foreign country depends on whether you think you can dominate by force or discover you cannot do so. Huh.

    Much is made of State’s rights of “self determination” being disrespected. What? When you went to war, you were already your own country.

    Do you mean BEFORE secession????

    Do you mean to tell me the State’s Right of secession was the reason FOR secession? THAT was the right they seceded for? Like how Erik The Viking has to go on pillaging raids to fund the pillaging raids, like that?

    https://youtu.be/sGrDHI0orKE?si=iWrFukr-Qburnebb&t=106

    Wait, but what did the South SAY was their reason for secession? IN THEIR OWN DECLARATIONS?

    1. State’s rights – but which rights?
    2. Property rights – but which property rights?
    3. The right to own human beings as property

    It’s what the Democrats fucking SAID in their own declarations of independence, so why do you, Republican, refuse to believe them? Especially after the Democrats have stopped whinging and coping about being losers in this conflict and have gone on to totally new lies? Why do you repeat their mummified cope?

    What do they mean by “for self determination” if NOT the right to go your own way as a separate country? Could you possibly mean the non sequitur of going your own way WITHIN the USA?

    When West Virginia decided to go their own way, the South howled with outrage. How dare you. I don’t get it, man, clearly the State of West Virginia shouldn’t be bullied around by the centralized federal government of the Southern Confederacy. Don’t you have any principles of sacred States liberty?

    And then Eastern Tennessee wanted the same thing, but geography and force did not favor them, so their right to self-determination was denied by the South. But surely, there is a sacred axiom we must always respect of self-determination?

    The “northern aggression”/”self-determination”/”state’s rights” people always forget every instance of the South (Democrats) opposing self-determination with every fibre of their being.

    The South was continuously denying hundreds of thousands of human beings their self-determination. When a slave escaped, did they shrug their shoulders, “Aw, nothing we can do. They used their self-determination”?

    The South had the additional effrontery of demanding to COUNT their slaves to give the SOUTH federal power to vote things upon the NORTH using SLAVES to increase their power in the House of Representatives. Weird bro, that you want to leverage the slaves whom you deny self-determination to impose federal power against the self determination of other states.

    How did the Southern states respond to the Dredd Scott ruling, legal decisions, and laws that aligned with it? With wild celebration, church bells ringing everywhere.

    It made, not just the Northern states, but EVERY level of government in each Northern states slaves TO the Southern slave system. From the elected governor of the state down to the lowly sherrif of a one-horse town, EVERY person in every level of government had to actively serve the South.

    But that was not far enough. EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING in the North had to be enslaved to the South’s slave system. Despite Slavery being illegal in every part of the North, every single man, woman, and child who so much as gave an escaped slave a crust of bread would have their lives ruined – both via draconian financial ruin and lengthy jail time.

    The rights THEY said they seceded for – state’s rights > property rights > the right to own humans – wasn’t even under threat! The new Republican president, understanding full well that severe bloodshed and destruction were in the offing, pledged to NOT try to abolish slavery where it currently existed but WOULD stop it from expanding further.

    So when the Democrats seceded citing “rights,” they were being disingenuous even regarding THAT “state’s right.”

    They seceded for the EXPANSION of slavery.

    But here’s the stupid thing. All those Western territories they wanted to expand into would end up being part of the NORTH. You’re a separate country now. No more using slaves for voting power to force compromises. No more rolling your eyes and foaming at the mouth threatening TO secede to get concessions – you gave that up. HOW ON EARTH are you going to expand? They aren’t making new land.

    So they HAD to go to war. They seceded for expansion. They’d given up their previous methods for expansion within the Union voluntarily. WTF else do you think their plan could have possibly been? They DIDN’T want to expand, so they freaked out at a president whose sole active hostility to your institution of slavery was that it woudln’t expand???

    What was it “You’re going to block us within the USA from expansion, so we’re going to secede from the USA so we can NOT expand and mind our own business” Really. Are you really that stupid?

    Anyway, you became an independent nation, started a war, and lost it, and now somehow moan and bitch about the war AS an independent nation being disrespectful of states within the union.

    Why on earth own this as Republicans, the ones who won the war and took the South’s slaves away from them? What the FUCK is wrong with you?

    #197726
    jb-hb
    Participant

    The US Mail continued to deliver everywhere in the time between secession and war. Mail correspondence was the main method of communication between the opposing parties at this point.

    So there is a written record. You can just fucking read what THEY SAID they were doing.

    Lincoln, writing back and forth with Alexander Stephens asking “why are you guys REALLY doing this” got a reply “we’re doing this because you have the gall to think we are morally wrong”

    Kind of like how the Democrats of today seceded in 2016 – their championed issues being practically everything that is traditionally thought of as morally wrong. Just go through the list. Remember the stuff Republicans now concede, do not even argue about anymore, that was ALSO thought wrong in times past.

    And why do the Democrats rage, #resist, etc? “because you have the gall to think us morally wrong”

    even while saying everyone gets free speech, equal protection under the law, but hey man, I think you’re being immoral — death to you! Democrats. Same as it ever was, if Republicans could just give up the Democrat cope.

    #197727
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    The “Zionist” (and I use the word quite inclusively) desperately need an “antisemitic” even so that they can use it to demand more authority and laws and money in order Protect everyone from the “antisemitic” forces.

    That’s what @aspnaz ‘s job is. To help stir up such a violent uprising so that the Zionists can demand new powers, authority and funding to protect the Jews from it.

    China has a LOT of money, so there are thousands of @aspies out there stirring up shit about the genocide that they themselves (the “Zionists”) are operating as a for-profit business enterprise. Who says you can’t mix business with pleasure?

    #197728
    those darned kids
    Participant

    shazbot…

    #197729
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    Lookie here
    Here’s what happens when an E-4 Corporal Correspondent War Combat Stenographer faux Appalachian “Latch Ee On” gets “turned” by Peter Thiel’s money into a Bombastic Bullshitter for all the nonJews Israelies for Israel annexation not annexation of ?Gaza? For Steve O Witkoffisms real estate company

    #197730
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @ThoseDarnedKids

    Yeah, ‘fraid so.
    The current state of world affairs, which we humorously refer to as reality, is a sort of compromise between the opposing camps of Do Gooders and the Do Baddies.

    Neither side intends, to give up (ever!) trying to get what they want. Be it good or be it bad, the bigger point is it is what they want. And so the two sides (goodies and baddies) are in a stalemate of Universal proportions. In fact the situation as it now stands (as it has always stood) is the PERFECT example of what stalemate actually means and is.

    #197731
    jb-hb
    Participant

    The current government shutdown can be seen as analogous to events with the Democrats in the 1800’s

    In movies, it’s more exciting to depict the secession immediately followed by war. But in actual fact, they were still talking. A delegation was sent by the South to negotiate possible secession-reversal. Their main demands:

    –extend the Missouri Compromise line all the way to the Pacific
    –even harsher (how?!?) laws compelling Northern assistance with escaped slaves

    after the Southern arrogant disrespect of State’s Rights for many years (detailed only in part upthread), after the South’s continual efforts to negate States’ Rights through the Federal Government, the Northern states were hardly in a mood to make even MOAR concessions.

    Sorry bro, elections have consequences. (sound familiar?)

    So in the 1800’s, Democrats demanding concessions, #resisting the will of the people, championing immorality while posturing as aristocratic moral superiors, enraged into active opposition even by just the thoughts in their opposites’ heads.

    Specifically, they had a strategy back then of gaining, maintaining, increasing power in congress through a population of non-citizens.

    And what do we have today?

    Democrats demanding control of the Federal government DESPITE election results for the express purpose of using federally funded incentives to bring in unlimited NON citizens to drown out, overwhelm, apply force, to negate the self-determination of citizens.

    The current shutdown is happening because this strategy is non negotiable to them.

    #197732
    kultsommer
    Participant

    CK, etc…
    We live amidst genuine monsters.

    #197733
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks Kultsommer:
    Interesting video of Charlie Kirk’s friend and manager collecting video until Charlie is shot, then calmly walking away.

    #197734
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @kultsommer

    Yup, we do, and the bigger problem is in the implications of that fact now that we know, for CERTAIN that Charlie Kirk was murdered with long and detailed collaborative forethought by the people who were sworn to protect him. What are the implications of the FACT (not opinion or speculation, but video-taped FACT) that everyone who did or stayed silent about it afterwards, was IN ON IT, AND STILL IS. This is true from ABOVE Trump all the ways down to the rank and file operatives of their socio-economic-political apparatus.

    #197735
    zerosum
    Participant

    Sanctions on Russian oil.

    The WH said, China and India have reduced their purchase of Russian oil.
    Therefore, who will not be able to buy Russian oil from China and India?
    ———-

    #197736
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Mikey McCoy is calm when everyone else is going wild with because UNLIKE all of those hundreds of panicking people, Mikey McCoy KNOWS what has just happened, the intended target is dead and no one else is going to be shot that day.

    #197737
    those darned kids
    Participant

    next time any of y’all give a eulogy,

    make sure you demand those nifty pyroteqniques like mamerica kirk had.

    brought to you by wendy’s!….

    #197738
    WES
    Participant

    Ukraine War Changing:

    Recent MoA commentors have noticed that Russian tactics are slowly evolving.

    1. FAB bomb ranges have now been increased up to 200 kilometers.

    2. Russia now seems to have sufficient volumes of different kinds of drones that they have now closed any gaps in their coverage of the frontlines, which now extend tens of kilometers deep beyond the line of contact.

    3. Russian advances have largely been made using small 2 or 3 man infantry squads covered by drones.

    4. Russia has now made several nearly uncontested river crossings, using drones for air cover, something they couldn’t do earlier in the war.

    5. Russia has now made several small arrow movements using armor again. Drones have been used to provide tactical air support, instead of helicopters and aircraft.

    6. Ukraine has very few tracked vehicles anymore, just wheeled vehicles. During the fall rain and mud season, Ukrainians are basically confined to moving on existing roads. Russia has plenty of off road tracked vehicles, so are not confined to just existing proads. Russia is now able to cover existing Ukrainian roads 24/7 with drones, to deadly effect..

    #197739
    WES
    Participant

    Combined Warfare:

    Using drones for air cover, Russia now seems to be slowly re-establishing “Combined Warfare” in the Ukraine again.

    #197740
    those darned kids
    Participant
    #197741
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    From the NBA world becoz it matters…a big Gambling Scandal ((DeeBS and D clutching miker’s pearl necklace))) that doesn’t involve or mention Da Commish David Stern a nonjewjew, keeping it real D. Wait!
    It ain’t stern.
    It’s a guy, Adam Silver a real f*cking Ghoul, whose looks and countenance make Nosferatu appear wholly handsome and Holy unlike the nominally Catholic Mafia accused along with a buncha token Black guys.

    I bet you’d never guess where Adam Silver worships if he worships at all.
    Double check that for me DeeBS.
    Miker find a video for D. I hear Danny from Haiphong Harbor Mining is on it

    How can the great CEO NBA Commish not know when he made Betting On Bbball Games essential to its Branding AND a way to secure his $10 million annual salary and $40 million Net Worth.
    Btw not one Jewish NBA Team Owner was implicated by Kash Patel’s FBI under the instructions of Team Trump, no conflict of interest there to be seen there or over there as making obscene amounts of money is Qualitatively Different from making money ordinarily according Free Marketeer and Price Seekinger Drd.

    Enjoy

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/insane-mafia-linked-nba-gambling-scandal-erupts-terry-rozier-chauncey-billups-arrested

    #197742
    Dr. D
    Participant

    NPCR
    NPR

    “The biggest data centers today top out at maybe 100 megawatts, and that’s if the grid fairies are feeling generous.  Take Stargate Abilene, OpenAI’s© “investment” with Oracle®.  It’s supposed to hit 1.2 gigawatts, but right now?
    They’ve got a puny 200-megawatt substation and some jury-rigged natural gas turbines that might squeak out another 350 megawatts if we can talk the Chinese into sending us the rare earth materials to make them.
    Reality check:  to run just this one location, they need 1.7 gigawatts total just to cover cooling and losses.  And, it’s in Texas, which is not known for being a good place to keep stuff cold.  They picked a climate where cooling the data center will be like trying to cool my nether regions in a sauna using a hairdryer.”

    Okay, this is diagnosing the world’s biggest scam so far – and that’s saying something. But there’s a simple answer, as simple as bitcoin mining at home: Put the data centers under downtown Regina and heat the Province city with the waste heat for free. Or marginal offset. We, um, used to do this back when there were horses and buggies if you remember?

    Today’s Tech Bros: Dumber than a Mule.

    “AI is 17 times the Tech Bubble, 4 times the Housing Bubble”

    Yeah, and it’s on purpose.

    “Remember Cisco™?  Yes, they make good stuff, and they survived.  But back in the year 2000, they were the kings of the internet pipe dream and they hit $69 a share in 2000 bucks.  Yesterday, they were at $68.66, so on an inflation-adjusted basis, they haven’t ever returned to their 2000 peak.”

    Ding! This is Cullom saying they…we…are in Japan Nikkei 1990. There is a GENERATION of pain to go out there. Unavoidable, but the timing.
    Chart
    No problem.

    Chert

    No really: this is considered legal and proper accounting right now.

    JB — While true, and entirely justified to name, as point of actual fact, AND as a reminder of the Democratic Party, that was also a long time ago, and it’s a little disingenuous to claim it’s the same today. It’s like saying somebody’s great grandpappy is the same as their grandkids. I mean, probably you’ll find similarity and lineage, but it’s not automatic. Just have to add that, even as we USUALLY are saying the opposite, and they are usually defending the Democrats, improperly, on this. And they deserve it, because it IS the same, and they DO see blacks as plantation property, who vote how they’re told.

    Several key items on this: yes, the minutia of history is VERY IMPORTANT with this…and that like most times there were MONTHS where nothing happened, but the Law of Nothing ever Happens. Like Harper’s was defended by Lee and other southern generals. Because they’re just Generals following orders. Stonewall FREED HIS SLAVES to fight for the SOUTH. There was a lot going on.

    We can add something I can’t prove but believe with certainty: Europe pre-placed and paid the whole thing to go off, crack us open, and eat us like Africa again. So none of it is organic, which helps explain why the South was so irrational. i.e. they PAID irrational, violent, rebellious leaders into power, and knocked moderate, reasonable southerners out of power. For decades. They did the same thing up north, look into Emerson and the hippie boomer abolitionists. Funding! Lo! Free trips to Europe! Paying loons like John Brown to run around when he has LITERALLY no support, for anything, not EVEN from slaves.

    He saw Fredrick Douglas just before Harper’s and Fred said, “Wtf are you doing, man? Chill.”

    At the same time, the modern narrative is “State’s Rights” which WILL be cracked by Europe if allowed. I don’t prefer the central state, but Lincoln was right on that one. Nor can you have … as you say, infinite succession, where W Va secedes, then Morgantown and Parkersberg secede from THEM. No. The UN supports this…even as they support its Opposite, with hard Westphalia National States…then on a given day picks whichever extracts more money.

    It wasn’t a State’s Rights issue, as there were several off ramps. Yes, the North was, and DID, pass tariffs that would crush the South and move the power decisively to the North…which they did same policy, harder, after the war. DID make the South a nothing colony, for 100 years to the day (But I believe in coincidences). At the same time, wtf, ask Rhett Butler if it’s wise to have NO industry, not have a single cannon factory, and sell all your goods, as low-profit African extraction to London Cotton mills. Yeah, no wonder London and the Confederacy were in it together, just like any Mugabe today. Paris sets up the Zelensky of South Carolina, then they dutifully destroy the nation, and ship it off to Nice to be devoured, never sovereign again. If the North is eating your lunch, open a weaving mill, you fools, don’t be ruled by the Europeans instead. Scotland and Ireland, I’m looking at you. You’re going to speak English, which the English could never make you, but the EU will? What happened? (Ironically, English is the language of the EX-English EU)

    Anyway, what’s the “State’s Rights” issue, proudly? Nope. They all created, flew “White Power” flags, put each of those race creeds in their new Constitutions. If they ONLY wanted State’s Rights, that’s not the first thing you do, and even Jefferson – and many, many others – agonized how to close out slavery without collapsing the southern economy – and therefore the whole U.S. economy – and ALSO have the racial issue they still pay to keep warm today. They knew barring a miracle, you’d end up here. And Europe pays to insure no miracles can happen.

    So while I’m very “State’s Rights” don’t State’s Rights moralize to me when your first act is White Power, with essentially a White Power Nazi flag.

    And that’s separate from YOUR proof, which is that the south – really just a few rich weirdo plantation owners, like Jeff Bezos – were going to FORCE the bottom 10 states to be slave states. When they really didn’t want to. Wtf is that?

    And the agony of enforcing Southern Rights – violently ANTI State’s Rights – is well taken. They didn’t allow them even to be passive anymore, just get away with helping a felony no jury would convict. That would be State’s Rights in the Southern model. They wanted BOTH. Again, same mind virus, same guys who paid to install it over same 10-20 year period, when they regrouped with a new plan, not yet really tried at that point, after 1812. Color Revolution.

    NBA: Hey, did you know all humans commit fraud and crimes? True story! Even all people of all different genders, races, and religions! No joke!

    (P.S. There is a guy named “Miker” and someday we will know who he is.)

    “Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence.” – Leonardo da Vinci

    “A circle looks at a square and sees a badly made circle.” ― Jeff VanderMeer, Authority

    #197743
    Topcat
    Participant

    Soyboys Leaving the Demonrat Party: Wait for It

    Trying to replace the massive loss of young men fleeing the Left by importing Illegal Aliens to make up for the Demonrat numbers plunge.

    And Illegal Aliens have bunny rabbit reproduction rates, at least for the first couple generations to mask the Left as the party of anti-family woke ideology.

    #197744
    kultsommer
    Participant

    In my niche of interest, Jewish artists can easily provide a decade of daily art posting on TAE with outstanding work.
    Thus my battle, every day, dealing with cognitive dissonance that is also asking me to question if Levi Strauss is our contemporary, would he outdo senora Miriam Adelson in “unquestionable support” of the genocidal state – which appears to be a main feature of anybody in the tribe who made it exceptionally “big”.
    Am I “brown-shirt stormtrooper”? Hardly, given that I hold “hammer and sickle” folks, who mowed them together with the black-shirts.80+ decades ago, in the highest regard. Probably another cognitive dissonance, that I am grappling with.
    I guess, I refused to be blind in observation, especially in the last two years, of “supreme coordinated grip” in information control that is befallen on entire planet.

    #197745
    jb-hb
    Participant

    A link between Republicans and the Confederacy is the American version of the Big Leftist Lie about far Leftist nationalist SOCIALISTS being “far right.”

    So that the closer you go to Thomas Jefferson, somehow the closer you are to suddenly falling off a cliff into being Hitler. Ye’ve the devil in ye!

    If Leftists want to meatsuit and say “we are the Democrats!”, then when they start making noises about the Confederacy or a “history of racism” LET them be “democrats” and hOlD tHeM 2 tHeIr rOoOoLz.

    Democrats –
    –kept slavery alive
    –expanded slavery
    –demanded wild, draconian pro slavery laws
    –were definitely ANTI states
    –seceded from the union for slavery
    –WERE the Confederacy
    –were the party of Jim Crow
    –were the party of the KKK
    –were the party of segregation
    —–the party of separate drinking fountains
    —–the party of separate bus seats
    —–the party of segregated schools
    –used the power of government to block children from attending school — REPUBLICANS had to send the 101st Airborne to, with bayonets fixed, bodyguard school children to protect them from Democrats.

    Watching Republicans take the Confederacy as their own, at the prompting of Democrats is like watching Bugs Bunny tell Fudd to stand on an X, which he obligingly does, to get crushed by the 20 ton weight.

    Let the Leftists be “Democrats” and then let them own the Confederacy good and hard.

    #197746
    jb-hb
    Participant

    What absolute MORONS the Right are to concede without any fight to the leftists Hitler and The Confederacy somehow being Right.

    So that they wander around for decades going: “Well yeah, my platform is to be only 10% Hitler and 50% Southern Confederacy. Being Right is about Right-sizing your Rightism and having almost too much of it but not too much. My goal is to teeter on the edge of slavery, genocide, conquest, and totalitarianism – you can get on board with that being the perfect place to be, right?”

    Fucking hell. Dancing around inside your opponents’ false premises and acting proud of it, like you’re doing something clever or admirable.

    #197747
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    I *miss* RIM’s efforts here.

    John Day – any news from the mutual friend in Athens?

    #197748
    zerosum
    Participant

    What we can control?
    *Duh**

    #197749
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @DrDRich

    I sure called that one right. You totally ignore my reasonable question (to wit, “…who the living fuck is this “TCTH” that you mention?”) and just go straight into throwing fresh and inscrutable bull shit at me with no provocation. Man. you’ve got a mental problem.

    No new answers from me until my old questions to you get answered (or at least responded in sone way). And PUHLEEZE start speaking English without the advanced senile dementia accent. No one can understand what you’re complaining about except that you hate Catholics and Jews and are just generally unhappy about everyone that you and your former professional colleagues in the M.I.C have been trying to kill off for the past lifetime or so.

    #197750
    those darned kids
    Participant

    so many people live through clichés they can’t see reality..

    #197751
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    Here’s one

    A burd in the bush gathers no moss…..and no one moved, not even a peep.

    Then Coach of master coach-football-cliche-speak said, “Rich, tell ’em what I mean.”

    Me replied, “Yes! ”

    But before I followed yes with the eversorespectful Sir! the team out a collective and full-throated guttural…
    “Yeah!!”

    Two ! !

    And that was that.
    The horse was outta the barn.
    No stone was left un turned
    Perseverance to say nothing of psychological perseverance and perspicacity pays off through hard work blood sweaters and tearjerkers.
    What mite you say when you can say no more?
    There is no time like the present….project
    Life is a delicious drink that must be imbibed deeply.

    Think thrice before underestimating fraud at the top of The Boardroom beciz his suit and suite are well so cliche for honesty, integrity authority, you know, the pillar cliches of Ds Judaic society.
    Speak the words and manna will spring forth.

    #197752
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Colorful POTUS we got.

    #197753
    John Day
    Participant

    @Phoenixvoice: No, I have not heard back from Eleni in Athens, after sending 2 emails. I’ll send a third.

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