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    Irving Underhill Irving Trust Building, Trinity Church, Wall Street, New York 1931   • ‘Over Half’ Of Trial Participants Had Adverse Reactions To
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle July 16 2020]

    #61189
    V. Arnold
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    Irving Underhill Irving Trust Building, Trinity Church, Wall Street, New York 1931

    The first thing that came to mind was the movie; The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand.
    A very dramatic photo…
    …as was the movie, which I liked very much…

    #61190

    First thing that came to my mind is: this is where life stops.

    #61191
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    First thing that came to my mind is: this is where life stops.

    …life stops…
    the desolation is obvious when pointed out, no visible life…
    Thanks; I agree………

    #61192
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    One could call it a hive; but without the nurturing…

    #61193
    oxymoron
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    The Adam Schiff thing — how do we even bother reading the news if you can’t trust anything any more? People just lie and you can’t touch them, you can’t sue them and you can’t speak out against them or you are just some right wing freak. No frikken justice man. Like the poor Rio Tinto guys. No justice. Them aboriginees – all they wanna do is dig up precious cultural sites – those concrete skyscrapers are where our people share culture and gather on behalf of the community so we all have what we need to shine. Them suit-tie fellas are our healers and leaders that care for country and seven generations. We are so lucky to have them.

    #61194
    zerosum
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    a major COVID risk ….
    breathing
    life
    a vaccine
    a job
    lies
    misinformation
    taking pills
    living in the USA

    #61196
    Bam_Man
    Participant

    I worked for Irving Trust in that very building for several years back in the 1980’s.
    Believe it or not, that narrow alleyway directly to its left is actually Wall Street.

    #61197
    zerosum
    Participant

    Adapt

    “The big question remains – what happens when the $600 CARES Act bonuses stop flowing?”

    Businesses getting the consumers to spend the $600.00 are going to suffer.
    Got to try to save the local businesses.

    Buy local, pay more with less money.
    Due to shortages of supplies, pay more.
    Due to extra fees on supplies and services pay more.

    Due to less money, don’t use the black markets.
    Quit drinking, smoking up, due to lack of discretionary income.
    Put off getting new glasses, teeth, hearing aids, medication, car.
    Get a room mate or move into basement.

    Volunteer at food bank.

    #61199
    John Day
    Participant

    Today is different for me, though many of the actions and outward patterns are the same.
    Jenny and I got up in different rooms at 4:00 AM, because she has been having to distance from me since she got the COVID swab Monday, prior to the 6.5 hour surgery she is now undergoing. It was negative. The show must go on.
    Jenny showered with disinfectant again. We wore masks in the car and blew mask kisses.
    I deposited her and her bag at Seton Hospital at 5:00 AM. I went home and held her in meditation for about 2 hours, until it seemed to just end.
    She had called me from surgery at 5:50 AM to say she was turning off her phone.
    I said I was meditating with her.
    “I love you”, we said.
    I’ve looked at emails, and a little news, gathered in the garden, and eaten vegetable soup I cooked last night, with eggs and toast. Good coffee, as usual. It’s time to dress out, ride the bike to work, work the afternoon and bike back
    I await word on how things are going for Jenny, which is out of my hands.

    http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/07/status-reminder.html

    (Pictured in photo Jenny took a few days ago in Yoakum)

    #61200
    Dr. D
    Participant

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    “The image reading “will not provide any protection against COVID-19 (coronavirus)” is real. Most masks, if not all, being sold have some sort of label saying that it will not provide any protection against viruses, but that does not mean masks should not be worn.

    Just because we know it doesn’t work with 5 gold-standard studies, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. Silly Billy. The Power of PRETEND.

    #61201

    V. Arnold- I responded to your post yesterday.

    “Covid-19 has actually proved good for [twitter] business”. No. Really?
    Just how much does money drive the “Covid” brand?
    Meanwhile, on CSPAN this morning…
    Dr. Jake Deutsch of “Cure Urgent Care” disparaged the use of HCQ saying that older studies suggested it may be effective, but later studies showed it was not so effective.
    To a caller who wondered if her son needed two consecutive negative tests after fourteen days to be safe the doctor said “the [PCR] test is very sensitive and just reproduces small pieces of virus and it may be an inactive piece of virus that was nicked up and at four weeks may still be tested positive.”
    So, no, her son doesn’t need two tests.
    Why is it said that the PCR test is useful at all, ever?

    One more thing: Deutsch took HCQ when he was sick because that was “what was recommended in the literature”. He seems fine, now.

    #61202

    Check out Statista:
    Number of coronavirus (COVID-19) tests performed in the most impacted countries worldwide as of July 15, 2020.
    The top five (China, US, Russia, India, UK) have used about 183 million tests. Someone’s making a lot of money on a “non-diagnostic” test.
    How many masks per day worldwide? Gloves? Gowns? Sanitizing material?
    How are they disposed of? (Disposal costs money, too).

    The thing about multi-billion dollar markets is they yearn to continue and use marketing to do so. Marketing doesn’t have to be honest or particularly true- it’s opinion, after all.
    Does 3M ever whisper sweet nothings into the ears of governors to use the words “mandatory” or “required”?

    #61203
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    The Moderna vaccine test will be interesting.

    Several countries have now reported that the antibodies disappear quickly, to zero for 83% after two months.

    The results of these tests will show if a vaccine is ever possible.

    It may also show whether the antibodies themselves are actually a problem.

    If it proves a vaccine will never be a viable solution what then?

    #61207
    redshift
    Participant

    Dr. D, the warning is for the user of the mask. The mask mostly protects others in case the user is infected. It also protects the user but if the others don’t use mask, the protection is not significant. They say “not any” to protect themselves from liability.

    #61210
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    my parents said know
    V. Arnold- I responded to your post yesterday.

    Thank you. Cheers

    #61211
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Some headlines from today:

    Hydroxychloroquine Still Doesn’t Do Anything, New Data Shows
    WIRED

    Hydroxychloroquine studies show drug is not effective for early treatment of mild covid-19
    MSN Money

    Hydroxychloroquine also doesn’t help Covid-19 patients who aren’t hospitalized, new study finds
    CNN

    Hydroxychloroquine ineffective against mild COVID-19, U.S. study shows
    Reuters

    Those headlines could be misleading, considering that
    The study was of such low quality that it was fundamentally uninterpretable,” said Steven Nissen, a veteran clinical trialist at the Cleveland Clinic…The main problem, Nissen said, is that the evidence on hydroxychloroquine should be coming from large, well-funded studies that were big enough to give clear answers. “Instead of focusing on one or two large, well-powered, well-run rigorous trials, we’ve got a bunch of observational studies, low quality randomized controlled trials, and no answers.”
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/16/new-covid-19-study-despite-flaws-adds-to-case-against-hydroxychloroquine/

    Some actual details of the study:

    “At 14 days, 24% (49 of 201) of participants receiving hydroxychloroquine had ongoing symptoms compared with 30% (59 of 194) receiving placebo (P = 0.21).”

    “With hydroxychloroquine, 4 hospitalizations and 1 nonhospitalized death occurred (n = 5 events). With placebo, 10 hospitalizations and 1 hospitalized death occurred (n = 10 events); of these hospitalizations, 2 were not COVID-19–related (nonstudy medicine overdose and syncope). The incidence of hospitalization or death did not differ between groups (P = 0.29).”

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207

    Some simple math to obtain the hospitalization and death rates for HCQ vs Placebo (which I didn’t see mentioned in the study):
    HCQ: hospitalizations 4/201 = 2.0%; deaths 1/201 = 0.5%
    Placebo: hospitalizations (covid related) 8/194 = 4.1%; deaths 1/194 = 0.5%

    Patients getting HCQ had half the hospitalization rate of those receiving placebo.

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