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Dr. D
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From Mish:

Climate Forecast Headline Predictions
1. 1967 Salt Lake Tribune: Dire Famine Forecast by 1975, Already Too Late
2. 1969 NYT: “Unless we are extremely lucky, everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam in 20 years. The situation will get worse unless we change our behavior.”
3. 1970 Boston Globe: Scientist Predicts New Ice Age by 21st Century said James P. Lodge, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. 
4. 1971 Washington Post: Disastrous New Ice Age Coming says S.I. Rasool at NASA. 
5. 1972 Brown University Letter to President Nixon: Warning on Global Cooling 
6. 1974 The Guardian: Space Satellites Show Ice Age Coming Fast
7. 1974 Time Magazine: Another Ice Age “Telling signs everywhere.  Since the 1940s mean global temperatures have dropped 2.7 degrees F.”
8. 1974 “Ozone Depletion a Great Peril to Life” University of Michigan Scientist
9. 1976 NYT The Cooling: University of Wisconsin climatologist Stephen Schneider laments about the “deaf ear his warnings received.”
10. 1988 Agence France Press: Maldives will be Completely Under Water in 30 Years. 
11. 1989 Associated Press: UN Official Says Rising Seas to ‘Obliterate Nations’ by 2000.
12. 1989 Salon: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019 said Jim Hansen the scientist who lectured Congress in 1988 about the greenhouse effect.
13. 2000 The Independent: “Snowfalls are a thing of the past. Our children will not know what snow is,” says senior climate researcher.
14. 2004 The Guardian:  The Pentagon Tells Bush Climate Change Will Destroy Us. “Britain will be Siberian in less than 20 years,” the Pentagon told Bush.
15. 2008 Associate Press: NASA Scientist says “We’re Toast. In 5-10 years the Arctic will be Ice Free”
16. 2008 Al Gore: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013.
17. 2009 The Independent: Prince Charles says Just 96 Months to Save the World. “The price of capitalism is too high.”
18. 2009 The Independent: Gordon Brown says “We have fewer than 50 days  to save our planet from catastrophe.”
19.  2013 The Guardian: The Arctic will be Ice Free in Two Years. “The release of a 50 gigaton of methane pulse” will destabilize the planet.
20. 2013 The Guardian: US Navy Predicts Ice Free Arctic by 2016. “The US Navy’s department of Oceanography uses complex modeling to makes its forecast more accurate than others.
21. 2014 John Kerry: “We have 500 days to Avoid Climate Chaos” discussed Sec of State John Kerry and French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabious at a joint meeting.

The above items are thanks to 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions.”

And the return of Texas to a colder, or at least less stable cycle is perfectly normal too, and clearly not “warming”. If “Global Warming” is now “Global Everything” because, branding, as some say, we’ve clearly lost all sense of language and won’t be able to think clearly about anything. Oh, wait. And then, if we don’t start using language accurately and respond, whole cities will go dark and people will die. Oh, wait.

My estimation of what’s happening: Strangely, an “Ice Age” isn’t uniform at all. They are finding that with 2 miles of Ice in Seattle, you had a similar temperate climate to today’s in Big Sur. But anybody would know that since all the tropical plants from the dinosaurs still exist and weren’t’ frozen out in the dozen ice ages since then. So easy a cave man could see it.

So what happens is weather DESTABILIZES. And oceans are huge stabilizers, that destabilizing occurs within continents. So it’s not that the temperature is all that much colder, it’s that 4’ of snow falls in Kentucky and doesn’t have time to melt on the dark side of the ridge. It persists, and in one year is a “glacier”. This follows the sun cycles and is perfectly predictable, I would say because clouds and air currents are static, electrical, and interact with the earth’s magnetosphere, which are in turn run by the solar winds. When the magnetic field goes to zero – right now, look it up – and the indicator is the North Pole wandering – right now, look it up – then the Jet Streams stop being stable. All my life and the lives of my fathers, the Jet stream was constant, stable, westerly wind at 54/40 latitude across the northern states. Now it’s in Mexico. Any questions? And the wind and windmill charts are based on this outdated, now entirely wrong 100 year data.

Now their racist, weirdo view is that “Noble Savage” of Native Americans (who like “Asians” today, are all one group, with Pakistan, India, China, Tibet, Mongolia, Indonesia, Vietnam being all the same, one people) that these ecological “Noble Savages” were but wee children who couldn’t understand the majesty of agriculture, wisely never built cities, being too primitive, and ran around in the woods because they didn’t know what property was and didn’t know how to cut a tree.

Bullsh—t. They built cities larger than London, AND up into Ohio, to say nothing of Mayans and Amazonian island-cities, called “Aztlanians”, cities of gold on man-made ringed islands under mountain skies due across from the “Pillars of Hercules” you might have heard of them, since Plato had.

Tenoch
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/cartography/map-tenochtitlan-1524
https://www.historycrunch.com/tenochtitlan.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenochtitlan

They had a city of a million, with a zoo and an aquarium, and similar cities were set up as far north as Ohio, up the Mississippi. Now they’re all gone. So why would their northernmost colony, which built similar mounds and cleared similar million-farm fields, just…vanish? Why would their relatives, the Iroquois, the most agrarian, barely get by in a similar region of lush, deep black soils? They were legion, overabundant only a hundred or more years previous.

Let’s go back to yesterday: in 1777, New York harbor froze so hard they drew cannons across the salt water. And this goes back: in 1535, Jacques Cartier was frozen in 2m of ice at the salt water in Quebec City under 4 more feet of snow. This is the Little Ice Age that had elephants and street fairs out on the Thames under Elizabeth I, long before anyone used coal.

So you’re planning on growing things? Rye won’t even grow, as Plimoth found in 1640.

Worse than the cold, the weather was unstable. The stories of the times have not only frost giants (as in Scandinavia) but straight-line tornadoes called “mircobursts” that didn’t reappear until 1990. Like everything non-book people say, they thought they were lies. Myths. Winds tear 200-year forests apart like paper and matches. It can go from balmy to blizzard in hours. How do I know? That happens EVEN TODAY further inland and 100f swings still happen in 48 hours, and we were in a century when weather was warm and stable.

The Vikings found America, Portugal and Ireland fished there long before 1492, why do you think no one colonized? A: they did, but the only possible way to survive was to “go native” and do as the natives did. There are Jack o’Tars and blue-eyed natives here. But they became “native”, not European agriculturalists because the only way to survive – as in Texas, with 120f range, and from 50f to suddenly frozen for weeks, was to become radical permaculturists.

That is, you CAN’T grow even the stunted, cold-weather corn they saw on the temperate coasts. It’s not reliable. So you garden the sheltered forest with clearings, burns, plantings, into having the wide variety of perennial foodstuffs and predominantly fish and game, when even rye is barely viable.

Even after the weather stabilized and locked into place in 1700, the colonists just thought, “Golly, we’re just so smart, and they are so primitive” as the weather warmed and made crops possible that hadn’t grown in 500 years. The natives would have done the same thing, and did, but they were less-foolhardy about leveling the whole permaculture-scape and relying on one crop, monoculture. And money. And due to smallpox they were constantly very few. But from our sight we think they DIDN’T. We’re not revising our vision of how America was MORE urban than Europe after the Fall of Rome (when they were swinging in the trees, as they say). We’re still out here pretending that wasn’t true.

But if it was true, why? Because the weather may warm and cool in England, in Rome, living as the are entirely surrounded by water, but in continents the weather comes unhinged, unpredictable, ungrow-able. Just like Texas this week and indeed for the last 10 years. And just like clockwork, totally predictable, going back millennia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_minimum

If you hadn’t noticed in the last 20 years, it’s not warming. It’s snowing in Mexico, Greece, and Saudi Arabia. Same temperatures in Alaska as Houston. Same temps in NY as Miami. It’s de-stabilizing. And if anything, it’s beginning the cooling. When in Rome, do as the Romans: North America will have to change agriculture, permaculture, with more forests and perennial grains if any at all. But that will lower food output sharply when the U.S. is the only exporter. Do some of the wicked and weird actions of our overlords make more sense now? Does the U.K. playing fast and loose with Grandma, dropping the population “naturally”, have some more political, existential strategy?

Does fighting over the former breadbaskets, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Silk Road, that green only in cold climate cycles, mean something different now?

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