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    Edward Hopper Gloucester Beach, Bass Rocks 1924   • Infection Down 75% After First Pfizer Shot (JPost) • We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April (Makar
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle February 20 2021]

    #69987
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    You can find all the guidance given to UK doctors about vitamin D etc. on this site:

    The long and the short of it is “Yeah, there is an effect for those who are vitamin D deficient but it’s no biggie and, you know, it doesn’t cure covid, plus in high doses it’s toxic, so be careful when prescribing it.”

    #69988
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    The link – didn’t show in above post.

    #69989
    Germ
    Participant

    @ Polder – the advice from the UK NHS is actually FAR worse than that.

    “There have been some reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus (COVID-19). But there is currently not enough evidence to support taking vitamin D to prevent or treat coronavirus.”

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/

    The NHS has TOTALLY failed the UK population on this – at every level.
    No early treatments – no HCQ, no Ivermectin, and still prodigious use of ventilators in hospitals ( nite, nite, you’re dead).

    In the UK, if you have symptoms and test positive, you’re told to go home, self isolate and take aspirin or ibuprofen.
    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/how-to-treat-symptoms-at-home/

    We’re living in the dark ages here.
    After a year and all we now know about effective treatments gleaned from other countries, the approach to care in the UK could fairly be termed willful medical malpractice.

    #69990
    Dr. D
    Participant

    More math, like garlic and holy water, keeps the riff raff away.

    One solution to Texas’ problem is to have long-term storage that the grid refuses to buy and install. But you can! For only $10,000, 5-10x the cost of yesterday’s generator, you can own a brand new Tesla Powerwall. That maybe MIGHT not catch on fire like all their cars and solar panels have.

    With it, you can have 13kw of power, and that’s not joking: an American house uses 1kw a day, so that’s almost two weeks of power. For $10,000, and a little house fire.

    There are 3M Texans without power, so say 1M households, not sure how they account it or how carefully. 1M Powerwalls, and their NOT drawing on the grid would help the rest of Texas households too! For only $10 BILLION dollars. (And a 10-year lifespan). Chicken feed these days.

    Cool. He’s building a factory there, we’ll buy one today. You know, with that extra $10k most American families have hanging around.

    But…then there’s math. At 200lbs/pc 1 Million Powerwalls would need 200 MILLION pounds of lithium or 100,000 tons. (90,718 Metric Tonnes)
    Pic
    https://dialogochino.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/RTWR46-1440×720.jpg

    Oh wait: that’s more Lithium than is mined in WHOLE CONTINENTS, like top producer Australia @ 42,000 tonnes. Next is Chile, 18,000 tonnes.

    I detect a problem.

    More problems follow. Lithium is both unbelievably reactive and unbelievably toxic. It catches on fire in water — not like there’s any “water” where humans live, and as lithium is a major ingredient in psychology drugs, causing mood leveling or even erasing emotions altogether, and doesn’t decay, even a small amount of escaped lithium is a big deal. That’s both in the Pecos and Red River, AND at the mining site, where it consumes tens of thousands of gallons in the world’s driest environments, like Bolivia.

    https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/

    “Lithium extraction harms the soil and causes air contamination. In Argentina’s Salar de Hombre Muerto, residents believe that lithium operations contaminated streams used by humans and livestock and for crop irrigation. In Chile, the landscape is marred by mountains of discarded salt and canals filled with contaminated water with an unnatural blue hue.

    … In Australia, only two percent of the country’s 3,300 metric tons of lithium-ion waste is recycled.

    recovered cells are usually shredded, creating a mixture of metal that can then be separated using pyrometallurgical techniques—burning—which wastes a lot of the lithium.”

    Two other key ingredients, cobalt and nickel, are more in danger of creating a bottleneck in the move towards electric vehicles, and at a potentially huge environmental cost. Cobalt is found in huge quantities right across the Democratic Republic of Congo and central Africa, and hardly anywhere else. The price has quadrupled in the last two years.

    Unlike most metals, which are not toxic when they’re pulled from the ground as metal ores, cobalt is “uniquely terrible,” according to Gleb Yushin, chief technical officer and founder of battery materials company Sila Nanotechnologies.”

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

    Bolivia: Where revolutionaries and lithium miners go to die

    Not done yet, where one solution to one 7-day crisis takes more lithium than is mined? Then polluted? Then not recycled? Then as not recycled, permanently escapes into your water supply?

    There’s still this: it takes 60kw to produce 1kw of lithium battery capacity. Now it’s reusable, so there are many, many cycles in a battery, but your 13 Million Kwh are going to need 78M Kwh to create, just for the battery side, or 78,000 megawatts.

    Are you sure you wouldn’t rather – say it with me now:

    “Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without”? You know, by reducing, reusing, economizing, using less, and creating only things that last longer?

    Nope. If I DON’T buy a Powerwall, who profits? No subsidy, no GDP, no sales tax, no Wall Street IPO. No 18 weeks’ work at $20/hr, tied up to Jamie Dimon and Uncle Sam to buy it.

    Thoreau said he could walk to Boston on foot quicker than he could get the money to take the train there. Is chopping fallen wood and sitting on a rammed clay floor next to your small wood stove REALLY that bad? That’s 18 weeks you can stay home and read Cicero – from a real-to-god, paper book — with your children. Or not. Don’t, end up in the dark and curse: “I cry to you, O God, but you don’t answer. I will speak out in the anguish of my spirit, I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.” What do you think he’s going to do for you that you’re not doing for yourself?

    #69991
    Dr. D
    Participant

    From Mish:

    Climate Forecast Headline Predictions
    1. 1967 Salt Lake Tribune: Dire Famine Forecast by 1975, Already Too Late
    2. 1969 NYT: “Unless we are extremely lucky, everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam in 20 years. The situation will get worse unless we change our behavior.”
    3. 1970 Boston Globe: Scientist Predicts New Ice Age by 21st Century said James P. Lodge, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. 
    4. 1971 Washington Post: Disastrous New Ice Age Coming says S.I. Rasool at NASA. 
    5. 1972 Brown University Letter to President Nixon: Warning on Global Cooling 
    6. 1974 The Guardian: Space Satellites Show Ice Age Coming Fast
    7. 1974 Time Magazine: Another Ice Age “Telling signs everywhere.  Since the 1940s mean global temperatures have dropped 2.7 degrees F.”
    8. 1974 “Ozone Depletion a Great Peril to Life” University of Michigan Scientist
    9. 1976 NYT The Cooling: University of Wisconsin climatologist Stephen Schneider laments about the “deaf ear his warnings received.”
    10. 1988 Agence France Press: Maldives will be Completely Under Water in 30 Years. 
    11. 1989 Associated Press: UN Official Says Rising Seas to ‘Obliterate Nations’ by 2000.
    12. 1989 Salon: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019 said Jim Hansen the scientist who lectured Congress in 1988 about the greenhouse effect.
    13. 2000 The Independent: “Snowfalls are a thing of the past. Our children will not know what snow is,” says senior climate researcher.
    14. 2004 The Guardian:  The Pentagon Tells Bush Climate Change Will Destroy Us. “Britain will be Siberian in less than 20 years,” the Pentagon told Bush.
    15. 2008 Associate Press: NASA Scientist says “We’re Toast. In 5-10 years the Arctic will be Ice Free”
    16. 2008 Al Gore: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013.
    17. 2009 The Independent: Prince Charles says Just 96 Months to Save the World. “The price of capitalism is too high.”
    18. 2009 The Independent: Gordon Brown says “We have fewer than 50 days  to save our planet from catastrophe.”
    19.  2013 The Guardian: The Arctic will be Ice Free in Two Years. “The release of a 50 gigaton of methane pulse” will destabilize the planet.
    20. 2013 The Guardian: US Navy Predicts Ice Free Arctic by 2016. “The US Navy’s department of Oceanography uses complex modeling to makes its forecast more accurate than others.
    21. 2014 John Kerry: “We have 500 days to Avoid Climate Chaos” discussed Sec of State John Kerry and French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabious at a joint meeting.

    The above items are thanks to 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions.”

    And the return of Texas to a colder, or at least less stable cycle is perfectly normal too, and clearly not “warming”. If “Global Warming” is now “Global Everything” because, branding, as some say, we’ve clearly lost all sense of language and won’t be able to think clearly about anything. Oh, wait. And then, if we don’t start using language accurately and respond, whole cities will go dark and people will die. Oh, wait.

    My estimation of what’s happening: Strangely, an “Ice Age” isn’t uniform at all. They are finding that with 2 miles of Ice in Seattle, you had a similar temperate climate to today’s in Big Sur. But anybody would know that since all the tropical plants from the dinosaurs still exist and weren’t’ frozen out in the dozen ice ages since then. So easy a cave man could see it.

    So what happens is weather DESTABILIZES. And oceans are huge stabilizers, that destabilizing occurs within continents. So it’s not that the temperature is all that much colder, it’s that 4’ of snow falls in Kentucky and doesn’t have time to melt on the dark side of the ridge. It persists, and in one year is a “glacier”. This follows the sun cycles and is perfectly predictable, I would say because clouds and air currents are static, electrical, and interact with the earth’s magnetosphere, which are in turn run by the solar winds. When the magnetic field goes to zero – right now, look it up – and the indicator is the North Pole wandering – right now, look it up – then the Jet Streams stop being stable. All my life and the lives of my fathers, the Jet stream was constant, stable, westerly wind at 54/40 latitude across the northern states. Now it’s in Mexico. Any questions? And the wind and windmill charts are based on this outdated, now entirely wrong 100 year data.

    Now their racist, weirdo view is that “Noble Savage” of Native Americans (who like “Asians” today, are all one group, with Pakistan, India, China, Tibet, Mongolia, Indonesia, Vietnam being all the same, one people) that these ecological “Noble Savages” were but wee children who couldn’t understand the majesty of agriculture, wisely never built cities, being too primitive, and ran around in the woods because they didn’t know what property was and didn’t know how to cut a tree.

    Bullsh—t. They built cities larger than London, AND up into Ohio, to say nothing of Mayans and Amazonian island-cities, called “Aztlanians”, cities of gold on man-made ringed islands under mountain skies due across from the “Pillars of Hercules” you might have heard of them, since Plato had.

    Tenoch
    https://www.historytoday.com/archive/cartography/map-tenochtitlan-1524
    https://www.historycrunch.com/tenochtitlan.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenochtitlan

    They had a city of a million, with a zoo and an aquarium, and similar cities were set up as far north as Ohio, up the Mississippi. Now they’re all gone. So why would their northernmost colony, which built similar mounds and cleared similar million-farm fields, just…vanish? Why would their relatives, the Iroquois, the most agrarian, barely get by in a similar region of lush, deep black soils? They were legion, overabundant only a hundred or more years previous.

    Let’s go back to yesterday: in 1777, New York harbor froze so hard they drew cannons across the salt water. And this goes back: in 1535, Jacques Cartier was frozen in 2m of ice at the salt water in Quebec City under 4 more feet of snow. This is the Little Ice Age that had elephants and street fairs out on the Thames under Elizabeth I, long before anyone used coal.

    So you’re planning on growing things? Rye won’t even grow, as Plimoth found in 1640.

    Worse than the cold, the weather was unstable. The stories of the times have not only frost giants (as in Scandinavia) but straight-line tornadoes called “mircobursts” that didn’t reappear until 1990. Like everything non-book people say, they thought they were lies. Myths. Winds tear 200-year forests apart like paper and matches. It can go from balmy to blizzard in hours. How do I know? That happens EVEN TODAY further inland and 100f swings still happen in 48 hours, and we were in a century when weather was warm and stable.

    The Vikings found America, Portugal and Ireland fished there long before 1492, why do you think no one colonized? A: they did, but the only possible way to survive was to “go native” and do as the natives did. There are Jack o’Tars and blue-eyed natives here. But they became “native”, not European agriculturalists because the only way to survive – as in Texas, with 120f range, and from 50f to suddenly frozen for weeks, was to become radical permaculturists.

    That is, you CAN’T grow even the stunted, cold-weather corn they saw on the temperate coasts. It’s not reliable. So you garden the sheltered forest with clearings, burns, plantings, into having the wide variety of perennial foodstuffs and predominantly fish and game, when even rye is barely viable.

    Even after the weather stabilized and locked into place in 1700, the colonists just thought, “Golly, we’re just so smart, and they are so primitive” as the weather warmed and made crops possible that hadn’t grown in 500 years. The natives would have done the same thing, and did, but they were less-foolhardy about leveling the whole permaculture-scape and relying on one crop, monoculture. And money. And due to smallpox they were constantly very few. But from our sight we think they DIDN’T. We’re not revising our vision of how America was MORE urban than Europe after the Fall of Rome (when they were swinging in the trees, as they say). We’re still out here pretending that wasn’t true.

    But if it was true, why? Because the weather may warm and cool in England, in Rome, living as the are entirely surrounded by water, but in continents the weather comes unhinged, unpredictable, ungrow-able. Just like Texas this week and indeed for the last 10 years. And just like clockwork, totally predictable, going back millennia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_minimum

    If you hadn’t noticed in the last 20 years, it’s not warming. It’s snowing in Mexico, Greece, and Saudi Arabia. Same temperatures in Alaska as Houston. Same temps in NY as Miami. It’s de-stabilizing. And if anything, it’s beginning the cooling. When in Rome, do as the Romans: North America will have to change agriculture, permaculture, with more forests and perennial grains if any at all. But that will lower food output sharply when the U.S. is the only exporter. Do some of the wicked and weird actions of our overlords make more sense now? Does the U.K. playing fast and loose with Grandma, dropping the population “naturally”, have some more political, existential strategy?

    Does fighting over the former breadbaskets, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Silk Road, that green only in cold climate cycles, mean something different now?

    #69992
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    @Germ

    In Holland it’s no better, the RIVM (state institute for public health and the environment) advises those who test positive and develop a fever to take paracetamol or aspirin. That’s it, nothing about vitamins, minerals, anti-virals or anything else. It continues by saying that if you do end up going to hospital then you may be treated with one of two medicines that are known to have an effect: dexamethasone (a corticosteroid which works as an immunosuppressant) or remdesevir (an antiviral).

    Yep, like you said, wilful medical mispractice.

    #69993
    ByronBishop
    Participant

    Mr Galbraith’s article on the troubles with Texas’ electrical grid structure was excellent reading, not least because it is one more example of the inevitable civic distress that accompanies the privatisation of public utilities. The theory, beginning with Mr Mises and promoted extensively by Mrs Thatcher, is that the owners of rent-producing capital projects will invest for the long term to ensure the continued extraction of economic rents. This rarely happens. The owners almost always maximise the rents and minimise investment, and then they are shocked (shocked, I say) when they discover that their systems are not resilient in the face of unusual conditions.

    The Grenfell enquiry in UK is exposing the rot that follows the privatisation of regulatory functions; the building code was manipulated and enforced by private actors operating for gain. Boeing assumed the regulatory functions of the FAA and we know how that worked out.

    There was a time when I believed that most actors were capable of enlightened self-interest, and would do a good job for the public good even though they were not closely watched. And then I started watching private firms loot our province’s woodlands, coastal waters and other natural resources (which are owned by my fellow citizens) and I came to realise that rent-seekers need to be very closely watched and their activities widely visible.

    That won’t always work; too many rent-seekers have no shame. I have no doubt that Texans will freeze in the dark again.

    #69999
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://microbiologysociety.org/publication/past-issues/what-is-life/article/are-viruses-alive-what-is-life.html
    ARE VIRUSES ALIVE?
    Issue: What is life?

    10 May 2016 ARTICLE
    Taking opposing views, two microbiologists discuss how viruses fit with the concept of being ‘alive’ and how they should be defined.
    While a virion is biologically inert and may be considered ‘dead’ in the same way that a bacterial spore or a seed is, once delivered to the appropriate environment, I believe that viruses are very much alive.
    The argument reductio ad absurdum is that any biologically produced mineral that can act as a crystallisation seed for further mineralisation (hence meeting the criterion of reproducibility) might also be classified as living!

    (In other words, making crystals grow/reproduce, expands the definition of LIFE)
    ( the link has a lot of info to read…..)

    https://www.khanacademy.org/science/ap-biology/natural-selection/common-ancestry-and-continuing-evolution/a/evolution-of-viruses
    Evolution of viruses

    Viruses undergo evolution and natural selection, just like cell-based life, and most of them evolve rapidly.

    When two viruses infect a cell at the same time, they may swap genetic material to make new, “mixed” viruses with unique properties. For example, flu strains can arise this way.

    RNA viruses have high mutation rates that allow especially fast evolution. An example is the evolution of drug resistance in HIV.
    ( the link has a lot of info to read…..)
    ——–
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-coronavirus-isnt-alive-thats-why-its-so-hard-to-kill/ar-BB11AnbP

    The coronavirus isn’t alive. That’s why it’s so hard to kill.
    Sarah Kaplan, William Wan, Joel Achenbach 3/24/2020

    Viruses have spent billions of years perfecting the art of surviving without living — a frighteningly effective strategy that makes them a potent threat in today’s world.

    Outside a host, viruses are dormant. They have none of the traditional trappings of life: metabolism, motion, the ability to reproduce.
    “It’s switching between alive and not alive,” said Gary Whittaker, a Cornell University professor of virology. He described a virus as being somewhere “between chemistry and biology.”

    But viruses function through us. With no cellular machinery of their own, they become intertwined with ours. Their proteins are our proteins. Their weaknesses are our weaknesses. Most drugs that might hurt them would hurt us, too.
    And because viruses evolve so quickly, the few treatments scientists do manage to develop don’t always work for long. This is why scientists must constantly develop new drugs to treat HIV, and why patients take a “cocktail” of antivirals that viruses must mutate multiple times to resist.

    “Modern medicine is constantly needing to catch up to new emerging viruses,” Kirkegaard said.
    SARS-CoV-2 is particularly enigmatic. Though its behavior is different from its cousin SARS, there are no obvious differences in the viruses’ spiky protein “keys” that allow them to invade host cells.
    Evolutionary speaking, experts believe, the ultimate goal of viruses is to be contagious while also gentle on its host — a less destructive burglar and more of a considerate house guest.

    That’s because highly lethal viruses like SARS and Ebola tend to burn themselves out, leaving no one alive to spread them.

    But a germ that’s merely annoying can perpetuate itself indefinitely. One 2014 study found that the virus causing oral herpes has been with the human lineage for 6 million years. “That’s a very successful virus,” Kirkegaard said.

    #70000
    kultsommer
    Participant

    “Herd immunity by April”.
    Why not? They know Corona working hours within a minute – aka from 10 PM to 6 AM Corona is all perked up and ready to go.
    “…municipal socialism…”
    Only over my frozen body. I don’t want some Marx (but not Ricardo or Henry George, mind you) telling us what to do around our neck of the woods.

    What makes this painting great is the fact that entire bottom half was left blank, despite being in foreground and asking for a “details”.

    #70001
    Germ
    Participant

    @Dr. D. – “With ..(a Powerwall) .. you can have 13kw of power, and that’s not joking: an American house uses 1kw a day, so that’s almost two weeks of power. For $10,000, and a little house fire.”

    Yes – you are joking. Afraid you need more math Dr. D.

    “The average US house uses 877 kWh per month” – https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=97&t=3

    Let’s call it a round 30kWh per day and your Powerwall will be flat in less than 12 hours!

    Sorry pal – you’re just not credible.

    And as for climate, yup – we got big problems, and cooling certainly isn’t one of them:

    https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#t2anom

    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

    You made me laugh though!
    “I prefer the company of people who make me smile to those who make me laugh.”

    #70002
    Germ
    Participant

    T”he failure of governments and health authorities to employ these proven means amounts to premeditated mass murder. The reason people have died from Covid is the refusal to treat and to prevent with known effective means. Instead, governments and health authorities have interfered with doctors and prevented treatment with HCQ and Ivermectin ..”

    The Covid Pandemic Is The Result of Public Health Authorities Blocking Effective Treatment

    #70009
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @Kultsommer
    It is often helpful to get below the surface of emotionally charged terms, such as “socialism,” and examine the details of how a proposed system would work before vetoing it out of hand.

    As a thought experiment, get rid of all preconceived ideas of “capitalism” or “socialism,” look at they types of power generation, storage, etc. that are available — or could be available (even a few of Tesla’s powerwalls) — and come up with a system that can reliably deliver power to the people of Texas, even when the weather gives them a deep freeze. Then, take a historical survey of all systems used throughout the world to supply power — Texas’ current system, small municipal power systems, whatever is used in in Russia, in China, in Europe, in other US states, anywhere throughout the world, and so forth, and from the historical record determine which system(s) (or combination of systems) can deliver the power that Texas needs reliably and at a cost to those who need it that they can bear to pay.

    The word “socialism” and the name “Karl Marx” have been deliberately equated with tyranny and failed systems AND at the same time used to describe functional systems that don’t bring economic elites the control and profit that they wish to extract. This way, someone like you will see the appellation “socialism” and automatically fail to drill down and examine the actual workings of the system being described, fail to evaluate whether the system is functional and meets up to your standards. Is a small municipal power system “socialism (= tyranny)”? Or is a small municipal power system an expression of “republican democracy” where residents of the city vote for city councilors who vote together to determine the guidance of the city’s power system, and hire its managers and employees?

    Personally, I am opposed to “tyranny” in all its flavors. When corporate executives make all of the decisions about the electrical grid in a state and the people have little to no influence through their elected representatives over something that they need in order to survive a weather event that everyone knew would eventually befall them…that is tyranny. Just like when the East India Company was granted the power in the 1770s to be the only seller of tea (through a tax system) in the American Colonies, and since tea was a basic commodity many in Boston rebelled. And electricity during freezing weather is a lot more important to people’s well-being than tea.

    #70011
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    In Fauci’s own words. 37 years of helping and not killing people.

    “When I pushed aside my other research to focus exclusively on AIDS, my mentor asked, “Why are you diverting a great career for a disease involving 40 people?”
    In 1984 I became head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and began pushing the Reagan administration and Congress for more funding for research, which we finally got. The irony is that because I was the one making noise about the disease, I became the public face of government in the eyes of AIDS activists. Larry Kramer, the founder of the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power, attacked me in the media. His group would say, “Fauci, why are you killing us?” I’d think, I’m not killing you—I’m trying to help you!”

    #70014
    zerosum
    Participant

    Look here. Electric providers in Texas.
    https://poweroutage.us/area/state/texas
    Texas
    Customers Tracked:12,410,161
    State Outages:189,865

    Compare Electric providers in Canada
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_electric_utilities

    #70015
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    @Dr. D re: clay floors and real books…

    Feels more and more like A Canticle For Leibowitz, eh?

    #70016
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    Re the Ted Cruz tweet, Reuters say it’s a fabrication.

    I could fact check the fact checkers if I could be bothered, but I’m not.

    #70017
    WES
    Participant

    Zerosum:

    Before we poke Texas, we should remember what happened to Ontario and Quebec Hydro in the late 1990s.

    Our power remained out for weeks because our province owned utilities failed to build power transmission towers strong enough to with stand a little freezing rain because to do so would be too expensive! We suffered far worst than Texas did!

    The idea that anyone can build any system to withstand the worst case imaginable means nothing would ever get built because it is too expensive!

    #70018
    WES
    Participant

    Dr. D. Rich:

    In other words dr fasci followed the money! The money coming his way. That is why he is so wealthy.

    #70019
    WES
    Participant

    it is good to see the Swiss are pissed off over government over reach.
    At least they can do something about it!
    It will help us, who can’t do anything about it.

    #70021
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @ phoenixvoice
    I think most of your points I addressed myself on my previous posts, so no need for the lecture class.
    I think that I do understand the reason for the relentless drum beat about the system that is pretty much dead since 90’s.

    #70040
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “That’s 18 weeks you can stay home and read Cicero – from a real-to-god, paper book — with your children.”

    Not sure why, but this pleases me greatly. Maybe I’m imagining it as an advertizement for a wood stove manufacturer. Although I’m not sure they’d pick Cicero.

    #70043
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yes, you can’t have capitalism on collective infrastructure because there’s no competition. You can’t say, “just build another electric grid or railway line.” Practically speaking, it’s a monopoly or near enough, and so it is what it is. That’s why we have a public-private partnership after trying 1,000 different ways in 200 countries over 130 years. A total monopoly like the NHS eventually, one day, causes ossified group-think and bureaucratic self-protection with no services as seen right now, but a parallel monopoly like regional grids lets us say, “Hey! Southern electric can so this at 1/10th the cost, what’s with you?” Similar to the 50 states. Probably this has to do with scale and Iceland or Denmark wouldn’t need this, but clearly the perennially corrupt U.S. does.

    Someone said this about Thatcher the other day, and they were right. Some of the things she was doing couldn’t be done and didn’t work. The plan THEY have — and they’re not going to tell you — is to privatize, break it, steal all the assets so it’s re-nationalized, then refilled at gunpoint from taxpayers by government, then sold off, re-privatized, re-stolen all over again, as happens worldwide. All you need are some lobbyists and a lot of time, it’s like candy from a baby. There’s no other way to make tens of billions except to rob taxpayers with government’s help, i.e. their raw violent extraction from the poorest citizens. So you need a system that prevents this as well, which my plan does when you really must have monopolies. You could incentive to end even these monopolies and have ever-smaller cells, but that’s a slippery discussion of how small is small and how would they defend themselves. It’s enough to say sure, getting rid of the name “socialism” or “collectivism” on a project vs, “capitalism” (whatever that means today,) you have these practical challenges. We’ve basically solved that at least in the past 70 years’ system-structure. We just refuse to do the things that we know work, and instead do all the things some PR firm sold us theory on and either never worked or have never been tested.

    Don’t re-invent the wheel: do the thing that works okay, and keep up with the monitoring and maintenance of it. There’s no pure system, even in totally free capitalist libertarian systems, the root scale is communalism of the nuclear family. If you have to have have monopolies, so be it. And if you get punked and have to re-nationalize like Sweden’s banks, you do. Just make sure everyone’s sorely punished and no one profits by it to keep the system honest and feeding back consequences.

    We’re certainly going into a time where ideological purity isn’t going to help. But at least we could look at what’s worked and what hasn’t over time for a change.

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    Dr. D

    In other words …
    “We’re certainly going into a time where ideological purity isn’t going to help. But at least we could look at what’s worked and what hasn’t over time for a change.”

    First, the first problem is for “the we” to find who will be the “chosen experts” that will look at the problem, recommend solutions, and implement the changes”.
    The odds are that the “we” will chose people just like themselves.
    I has to be someone with “purity, knowledge, morals and a socialist bone, better than the “we” “

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