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Unknown Anne Frank 1941 Merwedeplein, Amsterdam As I watch the – if you ask me pretty vapid- discussion develop that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (
[See the full post at: Concentration Camps]A very timely piece Ilargi.
Thoughtful and considerate; a very well done you.
Thank you…A bit more: Trump, despicable though he is, is in fact, a mirror of the society that put him in office.
One should be in front of a mirror when casting blame…At the end of the 20th century Francis Fukuyama declared the end of history with the fall of the Soviet Union. He was right but for the wrong reasons. Democracy, government by and for the people, died. Plutocrats won. They’ve privatized education and purchased western governments. The teaching of history ended. Consolidated media dispenses propaganda 24/7. Elections are manipulated to win the vote.
“Concentration Camp” is another example of identity politics and the divergence of meanings until groups no longer converse with each other. Barbed wire and machine guns made internment camps possible. The British first used them in 1899 to imprison Boer families in their victory over the Afrikaner Republics. The Nazis used “Konzentrationslagers” from 1933 to house political (asocial) prisoners, forced laborers, and the Final Solution once it was given the go ahead. It is an apt term for the Detention Centers in the USA. If Mike Pompeo and John Bolton are ever successful in starting the Iranian War (they tried last week) and if a nuclear war is avoided; I have no doubt immigrant Muslims in America will be detained in the centers in addition to Central American families fleeing oppression and climate change. American Dominionists aren’t the least bit concerned about the families’ fate. They are splitting families apart right now in order to discourage migration.
Yes yes yes. Camps for illegal migrants are concentration camps. Illegal immigrants are put there. And sometimes die in them. Concentration camps, I say. Nursing homes are concentration camps for senior citizens. They are put there. And sometimes they die there. Concentration camps. Prisons are concentration camps for lawbreakers. They are put there. And sometimes they die in them. Concentration camps, I say. Hospitals are concentration camps for the sick. They are put there. And sometimes they die there. Concentration camps. Kindergarden are concentration camps for toddlers. They are put there. And sometimes they die in them. Concentration camps, I say.
Argghh! It’s nonsense.
VietnamVet
“Central American families fleeing oppression and climate change”
There is climate change that they are fleeing. That is utter nonsense.
Central American are not fleeing oppression. They are fleeing their own Central American criminals, their own Central American corruption, their own Central American graft, their own Central American violent culture, their own countries win-lose mentalities, their Central American country’s failure to provide them with a decent life.
I have sympathy for them, but that does not mean the billions of people in the Third World should just move to the western countries. That would just destroy them. No, I believe that they should stay within their own countries, and make them better places, like a growing number of East Asian countries have done in a few decades. Either they will succeed, and they will have made the world a better place. Or they are incapable of fixing their very own country. Which may mean that, maybe, just maybe, allowing migration of millions of people incapable of building a good country is not a good strategy for western countries. Well, which is it?
@VietnamVet
“They are splitting families apart right now in order to discourage migration”More absurdities. If bank robbers would take their children with them when they go out robbing a bank, they might end up being separated from their kids – the alternative would be to have their kids with them in jail. If you don’t want to be separated from your kid, an easy alternative is to not try to smuggle with them, illegally, into a country where you have no business being and that does not want you there.
Keeping kids with adults, many of them criminals and smugglers, had liberals screaming genocide. Separating them has liberals screaming genocide. Deporting them has liberals screaming genocide. I guess the only alternative left that would placate liberal sensitivities is open borders.
I now wish a state, say California, would secede from the US and declare open borders. And get swamped with the Third World. And in a decade become the Third World.
VietnamVet
I do not like for 1 second what Tabernick tried to do to your post.
Heartless; nasty, and rude to extremes.
Twisting values to places I do not care to venture.
I expect to continue to read your cogent, heartfelt posts of our present realities; gruesome and cruel though they may be…Discussion well covered here.
A “Concentration Camp” is a “place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution.” etc.
Of course then all prisons are, holding locations for poor people with poor conditions, and not all outdoors or impromptu. Early ones were in the Civil War in Andersonville, many Native American holding places through to 1900, and as mentioned elsewhere. Are our present ones? Probably not, they’re probably detention centers that have become overcrowded, because they are not work camps, and are not meant to kill people. In fact they give daily food, a doctor, and you’re free to go home. But sure, I don’t mind the varying word use, and I’ll accept the technical definition, why not?
Of course they will separate children and families, but 1) thanks to DNA tests, 80% of the children trafficked were NOT the children of their handlers, therefore NOT FAMILIES but frauds, and 2) it’s not SAFE to have children in an adult prison population, duh. So you either have them together, unsafe, or you separate them, which is safe (basically foster care) but remain in government centers. Therefore: Ermigerd! Separatin’ the childrenz! If you built them houses, a huge town in the desert, then you’d have Roosevelt’s internment camps, which would be equally opposed, leaving ta-dah! the only possible solution is to let all 6 Billion humans in, erase all borders and extinguish the United States. Qui bono?
These may not be the good people, as common sense and confirmed daily there are massive human traffickers and drug cartels within them, but as everywhere, there most likely are a MAJORITY good people, and are definitively the active ones. So why don’t they use their money and tireless activity to fix Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala back home? I have to suck it and fix MY crappy country, my crappy problems against a rotten economy, tireless opposition and my trigger-happy, jail-happy government, so why don’t they? Sure, I’d love to enter Italy without a passport, claim asylum from the cheeto and get a free apartment in Naples, but for some reason I’m not allowed. Yet somehow they DO have the human right to go to Naples Beach Florida and do the same thing. Howso? Don’t we all have problems, hardships, and work to do? Nope. It’s my human right to pay for all visitors, however many they may be.
Anyway, that’s not how we know they’re definitely not concentration camps. How we know they are NOT concentration camps, AND CAN’T BE, regardless of any generations’ definition or any slanderous reporting to make them seem so, is because 200,000 people a month are fighting to get INTO them. If they were even slightly bad, they would be trying to get OUT of them, and out of the United States. That put a total lie to the whole thing. That it’s the total OPPOSITE of what they say. Like all reporting.
It’s as if you’d read about Germany’s little pamphlet, saw their annex of Amsterdam, heard about people getting free train rides, and decided, “Hey! That’s the life for me! As an American or Argentinian Jew, I’ll pay $10,000 to cross 5,000 miles, hop three countries and skip the border just to get INTO Amsterdam in 1940! There’s a 50-50 chance I won’t get caught. And then I’ll work there, paperless, among the Reich.”
Um, no. Clearly with a million, two million a year crossing the border and 100,000/month getting caught, they WANT to be here. Not as if our fearless leader has said, “C’mon in boys, free jobs and healthcare for all! No papers required!” These are NOT, NOT, NOT concentration camps of any kind or that wouldn’t be happening. America is not an oppressive or intolerant country for ANY type of immigrant — or even “brown people” — or they wouldn’t be flying in from the Congo to Brazil and hoofing it 3,000 miles just to rush the border. No.
America is still a place that loves all kinds and has opportunity for hard workers, despite every attempt by every level of government to stop hard work and industry. If it weren’t, the poor, tired masses would all be going the other way. But you knew that, because the NY Times, the Washington Post, CNN and NPR and all the “Right thinking, schmarty-people” all reported the exact opposite.
Use your eyes. Use your head. That’s what AOC is missing. That’s what she can’t do and what bothers me about her. That and if she believes anything she says, she’d GET the money to help processing and overcrowding, she’d be ACTING to help. She’s not.
Dr. D
Well, your rah, rah America fails me completely;
In the most polite language I can muster; bullshit!!!
Not even a “nice” try.
Unless I missed something; your missive is stuck in a broken continuum of US bullshit…
Show me I’m wrong; I’ll at least listen; but I remain skeptical…Those were the days
At one time, back when, when there were fewer people, when there were still valleys with “game”, when there were still un-occupied valleys, ….
When a group of people decided that living conditions, both political, economic, and social were not conducive to happiness and well being ….
they would pack their stuff and walk away over the hill to a new lifeYesterday is gone
Ilargi, I appreciated your article and the depth of the better aspects of humanity to which it speaks. I’ve been to Amsterdam many times and have of course read The Diary of Anne Frank. I’ve been to her hiding place that is now a museum and in fact had a lengthy conversation standing in line to get in with a woman who’s family had been friends with the Frank family when they lived in Frankfurt, IIRC. Perhaps just in that her story becomes ever so slightly a bit more personal to me. Miep Gies actions speak to the courage that underpins most of what can be considered noble in human beings.
Whether AOC used the right words or not in reference to camps for migrant detainees or not is debatable. What’s not debatable is that it certainly focused attention on just one aspect of a crisis that is in dire need of some solutions. A subject a little more lengthy than I care to address at the moment but blowback, greed and corruption are words that come to the fore. What makes AOC so appealing to many is her courage, her passion and her dedication to the common individual. Something world desperately needs more examples of.
These are the numbers of the last 3 administrations before Trump with regard to Deportations.
Clinton: 12,290,905
Bush: 10,328,850
Obama: 5,281,115What’s higher for Obama is removals that are based on crimes. See the graph in the link below.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not
Some of the causes of migration out of Central America are commonly known (as Tabarnick lists above: poverty, corruption, violence, drugs, etc), but often overlooked is the fact that the root causes circle back to those of us living in the center of the empire, sipping our lattes. Coffee bean prices paid to farmers in Gautemala have declined by roughly 2/3, making the country’s dominant agricultural product a money-losing venture. Here is one article, which I refuse to turn off my ad-blocker for; I think it is the same one I read in print last week, however, and that article said that middlemen are now paying only $0.85 per pound for beans, versus $2.20 some years back.
The culprit? Mechanized production in the Amazon basin, which is a two-fer: displaces rain forest and Central American jobs. Meanwhile, prices are the same as they ever were at the end of the pipeline in a Starbucks, which says that somebody, the middlemen or Starbucks, are making a killing.
Dr. D and tabarnick;
The American Civil War never ended. The Great Compromise put a lid on it. Remnants were visible in LZ English 50 years ago; officers, poor blacks, rednecks, and urban middle class kids; armed, self-segregated, and trying not to piss each other off. Globalists, Neo-Cons and the Haute Bourgeoisie don’t get it. Rising inequality and the destruction of the middle class makes another revolution inevitable unless wealth is redistributed. Triggers will be food shortages and migration caused by climate change and the endless wars or energy shortages/economic collapse from a Hot War with Iran/Russia/China (that is if a nuclear war is somehow avoided).
It is no coincidence Donald Trump is President and Boris Johnson will be PM. They are like James Buchanan, the 15th President; unable to see or address the issues tearing their country apart that got them elected in the first place.
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