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    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 17 2020]

    #66974
    Mister Roboto
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    I recall reading a report that several members of Congress are using prescription drugs that are designed for countering the effects of Alzheimer’s. Pelosi’s recent performances in television interviews (“Good morning, Sunday morning”) really make me think that she might be one of those people utilizing said medications.

    #66976
    Polder Dweller
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    We’ve been standing still for centuries.

    Or rather going backwards over the last few decades.

    Back in the early 80s I was living in England and I used to go regularly into London where I would never see any homeless people and certainly no beggars. Now you see them everywhere throughout the UK, in every small town, also children. This is Thatcher’s legacy. The trickle-down economy she bought into resulted in British industry being destroyed and a massive transfer of wealth away from ordinary people and into the hands of the rich. The damage could have been undone or at least limited by successive governments – that was what Blair was voted in to do – but the new ultra rich now also had (bought) political power and any hopes of turning back the clock were dashed.

    #66979
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #66982
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    The Moderna vaccine is on track to get an Emergency Use Authorization (EAU) from the FDA tomorrow. The advisory committee meets today.

    An expert panel is meeting Thursday to consider whether the Food and Drug Administration should issue a second emergency use authorization for a Covid-19 vaccine, this one made by Moderna.

    It is almost a foregone conclusion that it will. But the hearing still promises to tell us more about the vaccine and its use.

    The FDA gave Moderna’s vaccine a favorable review in the leadup to the meeting, all but guaranteeing the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee will recommend an EUA be granted. It’s also widely expected the FDA will issue the EUA on Friday.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/17/moderna-vaccine-fda-panel/

    In the briefing document for that meeting, the many unknowns and risks of the Moderna vaccine are summarized. Some snippets from the document:


    8.2 Unknown Benefits/Data Gaps

    Duration of protection
    …it is not possible to assess sustained efficacy over a period longer than 2 months.

    Effectiveness in certain populations at high-risk of severe COVID-19
    …subsets of certain groups such as immunocompromised individuals (e.g., those with HIV/AIDS)…

    Effectiveness in individuals previously infected with SARS-CoV-2
    …participants with a known history of SARSCoV-2 infection were excluded from the Phase 3 study…

    Effectiveness in pediatric populations
    No efficacy data are available from participants ages 17 years and younger.

    Future vaccine effectiveness as influenced by characteristics of the pandemic, changes in the virus, and/or potential effects of co-infections
    …The evolution of the pandemic characteristics, such as increased attack rates, increased exposure of subpopulations, as well as potential changes in the virus infectivity, antigenically significant mutations to the S protein, and/or the effect of coinfections may potentially limit the generalizability of the efficacy conclusions over time…

    Vaccine effectiveness against asymptomatic infection

    Vaccine effectiveness against long-term effects of COVID-19 disease

    Vaccine effectiveness against mortality

    Vaccine effectiveness against transmission of SARS-CoV-2

    8.3 Known Risks

    The vaccine elicited increased local and systemic adverse reactions as compared to those in the placebo arm, usually lasting a few days. The most common solicited adverse reactions were pain at injection site (91.6%), fatigue (68.5%), headache (63.0%), muscle pain (59.6%), joint pain (44.8%), and chills (43.4%). Adverse reactions characterized as reactogenicity were generally mild to moderate; 0.2% to 9.7% of these events were reported as severe, with severe solicited adverse reactions being more frequent after dose 2 than after dose 1 and generally less frequent in older adults (≥65 years of age) as compared to younger participants. Among reported unsolicited adverse events, lymphadenopathy occurred much more frequently in the vaccine group than the placebo group and is plausibly related to vaccination. The number of participants reporting hypersensitivity-related adverse events was numerically higher in the vaccine group compared with the placebo group (258 events in 233 participants [1.5%] vs. 185 events in 166 participants [1.1%]). There were no anaphylactic or severe hypersensitivity reactions with close temporal relation to the vaccine. Serious adverse events, while uncommon (1.0% in both treatment groups), represented medical events that occur in the general population at similar frequency as observed in the study. Of the 7 SAEs in the mRNA-1273 group that were considered as related by the investigator, FDA considered 3 as related: intractable nausea and vomiting (n=1), facial swelling (n=2). For the serious adverse events of rheumatoid arthritis, peripheral edema/dyspnea with exertion, and autonomic dysfunction, a possibility of vaccine contribution cannot be excluded. For the event of B-cell lymphoma, an alternative etiology is more likely. An SAE of Bell’s palsy occurred in a vaccine recipient, for which a causal relationship to vaccination cannot be concluded at this time. No specific safety concerns were identified in subgroup analyses by age, race, ethnicity, medical comorbidities, or prior SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    8.4 Unknown Risks/Data Gaps

    Safety in certain subpopulations
    …such as children less than 18 years of age, pregnant and lactating individuals, and immunocompromised individuals.

    Adverse reactions that are very uncommon or that require longer follow-up to be detected
    …use in large numbers of individuals may reveal additional, potentially less frequent and/or more serious adverse events not detected in the trial..

    Vaccine-enhanced disease
    …risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.

    Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting
    December 17, 2020
    FDA Briefing Document
    Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine
    https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

    #66983
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Wow. Biden spoke well and coherently 13 years ago. I was not aware.

    A couple months back a left-leaning friend was defending his lack of good speech currently to me by explaining that Biden had to overcome stuttering, had a speech impediment, and his verbal gaffes were due to that. This video belies that assertion. Biden may have a speech impediment, but when his mind was sound he spoke well. (It is difficult to become a politician — or tv reality host — without being able to speak clearly and intelligibly.)

    The fact that the “president elect” of the USA often does not speak coherently in public, well…yet another symptom of “empire in distress/decline.” Many of Trump’s characteristics are symptomatic of the same.

    Hold on folks…this wild ride is just getting started.

    #66984
    John Day
    Participant

    “Shadow President” as described in the article sounds like what Obama has been doing for 4 years.
    The real “shadow president” was Dick Cheney.

    Go Tulsi! Revoke the Patriot Act and the unaccountable secret-police state!

    This is the bomb on the story of COVID-19 origins, by Larry Romanoff, but he does not understand the modulating effects of vitamin-D levels on incidence and severity.
    I left comments 262 and 263
    https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/covid-19-un-explained/#comment-4348856

    #66985
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “COVID-19 Needs a Criminal Investigation“

    Here here! From the article johnday posted. But it ain’t gonna happen folks, the guilty never investigate themselves. Perhaps god will finally weigh in.

    #66986
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “With the accumulated volume of evidence, it now seems a certainty that COVID-19 was circulating in the US since June or July of 2019, far earlier than admitted”

    This lines up with those strange “vaping deaths” we heard about last summer. And then bill gates war gamed it in October of 2019.

    #66987
    Mr. House
    Participant

    So it was here in the summer of 2019 and none of us noticed, and its here now in the winter of 2020 and if the media didn’t blare on about it all day, would you notice?

    #66988
    Mr. House
    Participant

    The longer this goes on, those who were called conspiracy theorists back in march appear to be more and more right.

    #66989
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “Perhaps most startling of all, Israeli television and other news media claimed that US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the coronavirus outbreak in China in November”

    Is it that startling? If the Dems are as in bed with the chinese as we’ve been hearing since the 1990’s. And that video we’ve seen recently where the Chinese man giving a lecture states they control people very high up in America’s system of power is true, then perhaps the Dems used one of their controlled industries “healthcare” and china and the rest of the world that hates trump and fabricated this from the start.

    Just something to chew on.

    #66990
    Mr. House
    Participant

    or this

    “glib says:
    December 15, 2020 at 9:28 am GMT • 2.3 days ago • 200 Words ↑

    Tremendous article by Larry. To backtrack a bit

    1) Peak oil was reached in 2018. With population still increasing, and shale oil production about to drop precipitously, this Hubbert peak will not be so symmetrically bell-shaped
    2) this in turn created the repo crisis of 2019, as many players in the know tried to get rid of as many toxic financial assets as possible
    3) this in turn created the need for a pandemic to reset patterns of consumption, and of course, over the long term depopulate the Earth so that population and oil production decline together

    Despite the nauseating reams of comments discussing R0 and other irrelevant things, cui bono remains a stronger principle to help analyze current events (others may call this principle: “What would the Rothschilds do?”). It is also obvious, as Larry implies, that this team went to war well prepared. Re-injection of a population, possibly with deadlier strains, are means to an end, if that particular nation or group is straying in an undesirable direction. The end is mass sterilization done under the pretense of vaccination.”

    #66992
    Noirette
    Participant

    madamski (prev. thread.) wrote: Recap: there IS an authentic health crisis. It’s proper defanging would have required measures totalitarian in nature (like we saw China do when this thing started). What has been done instead is awful at best and is moving rapidly toward worst.

    Yes, the virus exists, it is not a hoax, and is quite deathly, far worse than a bad flu — long covid is a real thing — plus damages not yet well understood, etc.

    Idk if this corona virus was manufactured, not a virologist, can’t judge. Possibly, yes.

    The virus was present from about July/Aug 2019 (see all the signs of ‘previous cases’ – have posted about some, and even the MSM admits ‘early’ mystery cases or detection of the virus in sewage etc.) but perhaps even well before that.

    A slow-ish spread amongst ppl who meet a lot (youngish, affluent, travel) passed by unnoticed in many places. (“Weird cold”, “ugly flu”…”we all coughed..”)

    Its existence and spread was, at first, covered up. See the Chinese condemning Dr. Li and his mates for ‘creating panic’ – see several mysterious illness outbreaks in the US, Italy, France, etc. that were passed off as ‘pneumonia’ – ‘odd diseases’ (vaping illness), etc. The cover-up was either deliberate (keep it all quiet) but probably most often just baked in, the top bosses (pols, corp CEOs, oligarchs, high-up docs, local potentates, etc.) don’t want problems, ppl getting hyped up, med. cases exploding, no point in upping med. care, profits and present arrangements, are impacted, etc.

    Then, in Wuhan, it was recognized, isolated, described, and became official.

    So, the principle of “Never Let a Good Crisis Go to Waste” kicked in.

    From being a nothing-burger, the novel corona virus became a terrifying star. It was hyped up to pandemic proportions with false positive tests, shifts in death categorisation, etc., to allow authorities (States, etc.) to induce fear, followed by hyper controlling measures, unexpected but oh so welcome profiteering by certain parties, and so on.

    #66993
    zerosum
    Participant

    conspiracy theorists

    @Noirette

    I was saying the equivalent at the beginning of 2020.

    “…. defanging would have required measures totalitarian in nature….”

    “So, the principle of “Never Let a Good Crisis Go to Waste” kicked in.”

    Tomorrow will not be the same as yesterday.

    This is the first world wide effort, since WWII, that all gov. have organized, all resources, to achieve one objective.
    Extra activities have been suspended, tourism, etc. and given financial support to survive until needed.

    #66995
    teri
    Participant

    @ Doc Robinson

    So, the Moderna vaccine:

    May only give a two-month protection.
    May not be effective for immunocompromised people.
    May not work for people who have already had Covid.
    Was not tested on and may not work for anyone under 17.
    May not work if virus mutates (which we know it does).
    They have no idea if it is effective against (e.g.; prevents) asymptomatic infections, long-haul symptoms, death, or transmission of Covid to others.
    They don’t know all the side effects, nor do they know if someone getting the vaccine may suffer from an “enhanced” Covid reaction later on (i.e.; the vaccine may make them sicker if they get Covid after they get the vaccine and it’s worn off, and since it may only last for 2 months, they may indeed get Covid later on anyway).

    Under what definition of the word “vaccine” , as commonly used and understood, does this even qualify as a vaccine at all?

    Mother have mercy, we are in deep shit.

    #66996
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    @ teri, thank you for that summary.

    The listing is for the Moderna product, and the Pfizer product is similar (but I haven’t parsed the details for any differences between the two).

    #66997
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “May only give a two-month protection.”

    A bonus for the democrat controlled industry of healthcare, just like the ACA was. I can see it now, you’ll have to get a shot every two months. Such a cash cow!

    #66998
    zerosum
    Participant

    ” Such a cash cow!”
    Think of it as a simplified tax collection system.

    #66999
    WES
    Participant

    So Pfizer will change its “wording” due to the poor sob’s severe reaction in Alaska!

    How reassuring!

    #67000
    WES
    Participant

    So the Moderna vaccine will be approved, like the Pfizer vaccine, under “emergency” rules by people who “must pretent to not know” that existing medications work very well.

    #67001
    WES
    Participant

    Look we need to go back to calling the virus the Chinese flu.

    Why?

    To follow past prescient.

    The 1918 flu was called the Spanish flu and Spain had nothing to do with starting it.

    At the time Spanish media were the only ones free to talk about the flu so naturally our media called it the Spanish flu. The name stuck!

    Some things never change!

    #67002
    WES
    Participant

    Roboto:

    All of congress is under the influence of drug money thanks to the US Chamber of Commerce!

    The US Chamber of Commerce, such an innocent name for the country’s largest legal multi-billion dollar crime organization!

    #67003
    WES
    Participant

    John Day:

    Before Obama left the White House, he talked extensively about mentoring young democrats.

    To ensure he had taxpayer money to fund his activities, he set up schemes to funnel about $2.5 billion, each year, to himself after he left office.

    President Trump shutdown 2 such schemes depriving Obama of most of his expected revenues, but was likely not able to stop all of the money flowing to Obama, probably due to Mitch.

    #67004
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Seems like the FDA can deflect blame by having an external advisory committee vote in favor of the mRNA injections. Interesting that the FDA clarifies that the Pfizer vaccine is still “not an approved product” despite the EUA and the massive push to vaccinate the public. The consent form for Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines should make it clear that these vaccines are still not approved by the FDA.

    From the FDA’s document to brief the advisory committee about the Moderna vaccine:


    2.4 Alternatives for Prevention of COVID-19

    No vaccine or other medical product is FDA approved for prevention of COVID-19. On December 11, 2020, FDA issued an EUA for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for active immunization for prevention of COVID-19 due to SARS-CoV-2 in individuals 16 years of age and older. However, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is not an approved product, and furthermore is not available in quantity sufficient to vaccinate all persons in the U.S. for whom the vaccine is authorized for use. On October 22, 2020, FDA approved remdesivir for use in adult and pediatric patients 12 years of age and older and weighing at least 40 kilograms for the treatment of COVID-19 requiring hospitalization. Several other therapies are currently available under emergency use authorization, but not FDA approved, for treatment of COVID-19. Thus, there is currently no adequate, approved, and available alternative for prevention of COVID-19.

    https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

    The FDA did approve remdesivir for treatment of hospitalized Covid-19 patients, despite the WHO trial showing lack of efficacy. So they approve a treatment that doesn’t work, and they withhold approval for treatments that do work (like ivermectin), and push the widespread usage of these vaccines without actually approving the vaccines.
    Covid-19: US approves remdesivir despite WHO trial showing lack of efficacy
    https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4120

    #67005
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Today the advisory committee voted in favor of the Moderna vaccine, as expected. Although one expert didn’t vote yes, for strong reasons. The question: Based on the totality of scientific evidence available, do the benefits of the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine outweigh its risks for use in individuals 18 years of age and older? The panel’s answer: 20 votes in favor and one abstention.”


    Why the abstention?

    Michael Kurilla, the director of clinical innovation at the National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences, part of the NIH, said that he was uncomfortable that wording of the question was too broad and too positive for an emergency use authorization, a protest he had registered before the vote was made. He said afterward that he would have preferred to target the regulatory clearance to people at high risk. “A blanket statement for individuals 18 years and older is far too broad,” he said.

    He also said he would have preferred the vaccines had been made available under what’s known as an expanded access protocol — basically, a big clinical trial — and not an EUA.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/17/moderna-vaccine-fda-panel/

    #67006
    Mr. House
    Participant

    according to the CDC’s own website, of the 300,000 deaths “related” to covid, only 6% or 18,000 were due solely to covid. Let that sink in. All the rest were due to some other complication. Then of those, we need to ask how many were classified stupidly like these:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/seriously-gunshot-deaths-counted-among-covid-19-fatalities-colorado

    #67007
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #67008
    WES
    Participant

    I am looking forward to the virus ending on January 20th!

    #67027
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “we may face a scenario that would be a first in modern US history: an aggrieved former president making a competing claim to the presidency and refusing in perpetuity to acknowledge the reality of his defeat. In other words, a “shadow” president.”

    Breathtaking lack of self-awareness, not that we aren’t swimming in a sea of it. A Presidential candidate that claims they really won and the existing officeholder is “illegitimate”? Every day for four years on books and tours until their own party demands they shut up? A President that moves 1 mile away, roaming the earth ahead of the existing officeholder making parallel negotiations with Beirut, Iran, North Korea, because the present officeholder is just about to leave after being exposed as the puppet of foreign nations and impeached?

    Yeah, that’s never happened before in US history. …Even as it never STOPPED happening, and this reporter knows it.

    Not sure what the gratuitous smears are in there for, either. It’s called a “Straw Man Argument,” and it’s a fallacy. I.e. indicates being stupid, false, wrong, a lie. “Reagan said?” JHChrist, Ronnie’s been dead for 20 years. It’s super-important that what he said a generations ago – and people disagreed with even back then, as they have since 1770 – is also in dispute now.

    “Unicef to Feed Hungry Children in UK for First Time in 70-Year History (G.)”

    This has more to do with UNICEF making their own mandate…to undercut the “City on the Hill” image, as above. UK was very poor and hungry in 1950 and UK locations like Ulster, Scotland, Wales, have been poor and hungry for centuries. No one cared then, no one cares now. It’s just a show. Maybe they’re expanding their UN human trafficking franchise to the island.

    https://www.theweek.co.uk/63394/foreign-aid-how-and-where-is-britains-budget-spent
    “The £13.4bn spent by the UK in 2016 is around one-tenth of what the government spends on health in England.”

    So, for people who have food kitchens in small southern European countries, how many meals is £13.4 billion? Hint: at £10/meal – a 4-star spread – that’s 1 billion 340 million meals. There are 67 million people in Britain.

    Your politicians are taking open questions now.

    I have one: is it bad optics for the person in charge of Flint’s water to be the head of Biden’s EPA/Climate Tzar?

    No rush: I’ll wait.

    “Wow. Biden spoke well and coherently 13 years ago.” Yes, because he was plagiarizing everything then too. CNN and 60 Minutes covered it decades ago and every campaign since then. …Until OMB, of course.

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