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    Ansel Adams Church, Taos, Pueblo 1942   • Masked Drivers Banned From Wearing Sunglasses & Hats in Saxony (RT) • Facebook Blocks News From Aus
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle February 18 2021]

    V. Arnold

    Ansel Adams Church, Taos, Pueblo 1942

    IMO that photo’s composition is flawless…
    A veritable feast for mine eyes………………

    Polder Dweller

    More nose sprays

    An anti-covid nose spray for ferrets

    A nasal spray containing a newly developed antiviral protects ferrets against infection with the corona virus for 24 hours. Scientists from Erasmus MC in Science, among others, write this. They are now preparing studies in humans.

    This is a small study with a handful of ferrets. “So we are not talking about a drug that will be on the market next week”, emphasizes virologist Rory de Vries of Erasmus MC. “We are in the early development phase and now want to investigate whether this also works in humans.”

    Deliberately infect

    The researchers first deliberately infected three ferrets with the corona virus. All three were put in their own cage. Six ferrets were then given the nasal spray with the antiviral agent and six other ferrets were given a placebo nasal spray. The twelve ferrets were distributed in the cages and spent 24 hours with their infected congeners.

    Afterwards, it was found that the ferrets who received the placebo nasal spray all developed a corona infection. The ferrets that received the antiviral were not infected. Three weeks later it was also found that the placebo ferrets had produced antibodies against the virus and the ferrets that had received the antiviral drug had not.

    Invade cells

    The agent works by preventing the coronavirus from entering cells. In order to get into the cell, the virus must first attach to the cell with its so-called spike protein. Then the spike protein has to change shape so that the virus and the cell fuse together.

    Precisely before that last step, the antiviral means a stop. “To change shape, two pieces of the spike protein have to zip together, as it were,” says virologist De Vries. “Our agent blocks one of the two pieces of zipper, so that it no longer works and the virus does not enter the cell.”

    Step to the human

    “This is interesting research,” says medical virologist Mariet Feltkamp of the LUMC. “It really prevents ferrets from getting infected. I would certainly invest in further research if I had the opportunity.”

    Still, Feltkamp keeps a blow to the arm. “Ferrets are not people. So the first question is whether this also works in humans. If so, does it have side effects? I am also curious how often you can use such a drug. Imagine you are on the train every day and are a little scared, can you use a nasal spray like that every day? And will it become a spray, or maybe a puff will work better? ”

    Immunologist Dimitri Diavatopoulos from Radboudumc is also enthusiastic. “This has a lot of potential. If the drug also works in humans, it can help to prevent infections until there are enough vaccines. The advantage is also that it is accessible and easy to use.”


    Still, Feltkamp keeps a blow to the arm.

    That is funny. Google translate is far from perfect.

    Polder Dweller

    Yes, Google has not in the holes when he makes a mistake translating idiom.

    Basseterre Kitona

    According to the Bild newspaper, Saxony became the first region in Germany to ban hats and sunglasses on masked drivers. “Wearing a hat and sunglasses in addition to a mask that covers the face and mouth makes [the driver] unrecognizable. So that’s not allowed,”

    The fashion police need to end. Now.

    It doesn’t matter. She [Kamala Harris] will be believed by her fans, and that’s all that counts.

    What fans? Kamala got less than 1% support in the Democrat primary.


    Right on.
    “Whether it’s Cuomo or Abbott, it’s clear that crises expose incompetence.
    ‘He Is Lying. People Are Dying’: Calls for Texas Governor to Resign as He Blames Power Outages on Wind and Solar
    Wednesday, February 17, 2021
    byCommon Dreams
    byJake Johnson, staff writer
    (check out the replies – 127 replies)

    (Blame is not being properly assigned. Both, republicans/capitalists, and democrats/socialists, hide their incompetence by lying.)
    V. Arnold
    Problem # 1
    “My guess is that the average person has no understanding that one way or another, the piper will be paid.
    The true cost will be widespread poverty and early deaths from myriad causes; all leading back to a government out of control sinking into the abyss of its unpayable debt.

    I can’t see it leading anywhere but into world war…
    The Average person has flawed critical thinking. There are other solutions.

    Problem # 2
    Boil water advisory
    Where is the water? No water available
    No money. No electricity. No natural gas. No source of heat.
    No critical thinking. No solution
    • Twenty Days Of Infamy: The January 2017 Red Flags The FBI Blew Past (JTN)
    Now that we know the facts, and the lies
    Results,Today, nobody changed their mind?

    Does the past matter?
    Will the pass, ( that you did not know existed), change the future?
    Hillary on benghazi – What does it matter!


    Airport frisks from almost two decades ago were just rough ground clearing for the paved road that “story” about NY waitress is about, or better yet this entire “Covid story”. There was a reason that note that she was give did not explicitly demand that vaccine was mandatory. “They” want us to come to that “conclusion” by ourselves.
    Invoking declaration 217A – article 5 (from 12-10-1948) that prohibits anyone to even touch another person without that person’s consent is useless to memorize. Dr Mengele is is rolling in his grave with: “What the f**k I was prosecuted for?”.

    Food for thought for the lovers of “isms” (that they have no say or control about):
    No young woman in the poorest corners of the world, clearly not being able to buy decent clothes or make up, would have had that mental construct in her head like in Twitter caption above.

    Dr. D

    ” Vaccine Rollout Will Trigger New Covid Variants, Oxford Scientist Warns (RT)”

    Vaccines don’t work. Got it. But that’s okay, even last week when you said they worked, we still had to wear masks and mail all our money in small, unmarked bills, to Wm. Gates and Jeffery Bezos, if we ever want to see our economy alive again.

    “Many Top NBA Players Hesitant to Promote Coronavirus Vaccines (ESPN)”

    Now why would this be since medicine has never not been lying to them in all American history?
    Tuskegee much?

    “The way I see it, getting the vaccine is for me. It protects me. If I am not getting it, it’s my choice,”

    I hate to say it, but “my body my choice”? It makes it crabby and political, but really, can someone explain to me, or has everyone gone crazy?

    “genes inherited from our Neanderthal ancestors”

    I wouldn’t give a nickel the science of “Neanderthal genes” is even a real thing. How would you know? Just last year epigenetics were totally fake, conspiracy pseudo-science and we see how that turned out. The PCR is a “genetic” test in a way and they’re almost completely fake. Same with the FBI DNA forensics lab. Should I go on? If they said it, it’s false.

    “Cuomo-gate: A Nixonian Scandal Is Engulfing New York (DP)”

    Andrew has now killed more New Yorkers than any New Yorker in history, ever. I’m shocked he’s being investigated though. I thought they liked this kind of thing. Fauci said he was the best in the world, a model for all states. He won an Emmy. Killin’ some 13,000 folks: what’s not to like? It’s no wonder he was in line to be President. If you don’t kill at least 5 figures, or steal 10 figures, you’re not eligible.

    P.S. when do we arrest Fauci as an active accessory? A: Never. We approve of him too.

    Dan Crenshaw from attempting to blame frozen wind turbines”

    There are like 5 things broken and out at once. Everyone is just picking their favorite. It’s not YOUR of 5 that broke it and all others contributed, it’s ALL of 5.

    So…they are outlawing petrol and going all-electric, like Jaguar. I’ll say again: anybody double the grid for this, where they claim we’ll be all electric by 2025?

    I guess not.

    And you wonder why vile, bitter, vitriol is the only thing out of my mouth for these people. And I say – now for decades – “They are going to kill everyone.” Dope-de-dope, “No they won’t, you’re just ___fill in dumb, irrelevant objection here___.”

    They only thing they are building, the only thing they are engineering right now, is MASS DEATH. Can Texas wake us up to that fact? Or are we going to just keep blaming and not changing? Not THEM, not the other guy, not “government”: YOU.

    But we don’t even have a functioning government, at any level, as we’ve just proven in 20 different ways, so I’m having a great time. I think it’s awesome. Couldn’t be happier. Maybe people will start to join me in taking responsibility for themselves for a change and cut off the hog-trough coming out of D.C. and every level of government down to the dog shelter. Have you noticed they’re not going to help you? Have you seen their every action make things worse, even in Texas? Just like Social Security, Retirement, Stock Market, Education, and now Health Care. Reverse Midas:

    “Everything government touches turns to crap.” –Ringo Starr

    ““You can’t see it, but rest assured it’s everywhere and it’s deadly.”

    You could add this about every subject in the news: every noun, verb, pronoun, and adjective. None of them are real, none of them can be seen, and all of them are more deadly than super-deadly extra-novochok Russian-bot herpes ebola. And yet no one dies. There is no death rate. Violent crime was falling for decades.

    100% of everything said is fake. So be very, VERY afraid. You’ll all die without us. Without our “helping”. Vote for Burr, and keep that money comin’!!!

    Here’s an invisible thing about to kill you: the economy is about to re-set. The dollar will be taken out. Just like ’08 when the Fed came out and said “the banks are fine”. Why did you say that? Do you come out and say “The sky is blue?” Cramer screams “Buy Bear Stearns! BuyBuyBuy!!!” The Fed says, “No we don’t care about Bitcoin, it’s no problem to us and is just fair pricing.” …As everyone prints money to buy Bitcoin. That’s called a “Currency swap”, where one money loses confidence and moves into another money, and it’s highly disruptive, and those disruptions are fatal. Like food trucks don’t run. Without dollars, new gas-frack wells aren’t run. Wood stoves aren’t shipped from China.

    You’re on your own. The government is so scared, so unconfident, so certain it’s about to go bad RIGHT NOW, they ring-fenced themselves in. But can’t even save themselves, and won’t. Say again: You’re on your own. Proceed accordingly.

    John Day

    Wood stoves, cont. from last night:

    Reid: That Kitchen Queen is a LOT of cook stove, more than we will be able to properly use in central Texas, though it looks like a fine product.
    @V.Arnold: They say the old USA Ashley’s had some problems and the new ones are made in China, like most or all of what US Stove Company sells.
    @Dr.D: Jotul prices are not listed, so I assume they are high.
    In this process I did discover that Home Depot carries wood stoves(Inc. Ashley).
    I like Home Depot’s return policy pretty well, and shipping is free to store..

    John Day

    Texas’ only nuclear power plant, STNP, is not powering 2 million homes today, because Winter. It was never winterized, because that doesn’t happen very often on the Gulf Coast, so it’s not worth it. Dick Cheney’s company made this power plant. It was supposed to be 3 reactors, but 2 silos had such bad voids in the concrete that they had to give up on them.

    John Day

    So, Governor Abbott, it’s solar, wind, natural gas and nuclear to blame, brother.
    Also Winter.
    Hydroelectric is hangin’ in there, though.

    madamski cafone

    “A senior scientist at Oxford University has warned the global rollout of Covid-19 vaccines will prompt the virus to mutate, driven by “immunological selection” rather than the adaptations we have seen so far.”

    Before, fears of rna vaccines were more theoretical and oriented on long-term aspects: we’re messing with the genome, and that can turn things inside out. Feral DNA running amok like something from a Michael Chrichton novel. But this is a practical aspect affecting people in the more or less immediate future while also demonstrating why the genomic distortion fears are wise to consider.

    Immunological selection sounds is far more efficient a means for a bug to grow fangs than mere random mutation, jah?


    @ Raul:

    “How is he still in office?”

    Passivity, hypnotic compliance, social conditioning… that is rapidly unraveling and will at some point end, we fear, with guys like Cuomo hanging from the lamp posts while we fight among ourselves for what can be had.


    @ Basseterre Kitona

    “What fans? Kamala got less than 1% support in the Democrat primary.”

    But she is now annointed. I have spoken with intelligent, reasonably informed quote/unquote liberals who think “we’ll be just fine” (verbatim quote) now that Joe and Kamala are in charge. This was said after I mentioned Harris’ enthusiasm not just for prison-for-profit schames, but corrupt sentencing to keep said slave labor at work.

    It’s not about “being fans” of Harris or Biden, it’s about shielding their cognitive dissonance from distrubing facts.


    Sub-zero interest rates amid a financial climate where a major inflationary front is colliding with a major deflation front. By the time this is over, money will be falling from the skies like snow… that evaporates upon touching the ground.

    madamski cafone

    @ Dr. D

    “100% of everything said is fake. So be very, VERY afraid.”

    While it’s true that virtually everyone is a chronic liar including you and me, sir, it’s also true that we tell the truth a good bit of the time as well. Are you masochistic? Do you enjoy making an illogical ass while also demonstrating that you are obviously highly intelligent, deeply/widely informed, and capable of deep rumination?

    Do you want us to laugh, applaud, throw rotten tomatoes, or all these and more? Or just be very VERY afraid? (In which case you would be more f a sadist than masochist. I enjoy poetic license as much and much more than the average hausfrau, but not as a replacement for accuracy and honesty.

    I don’t mind a bit of hysteria, a bit of paranoia, a bit of whining. But mix all 3 together without distinction and what brews is a crock of shit despite the use of otherwise mostly excellent ingredients.

    It’s fascinating to watch.

    John Day

    Vitamin-D good, even for Neanderthal great-grandkids.

    Michael Reid

    @ John Day

    You might consider
    Kitchen Queen Grand Comfort 550 for heating area 800 – 1500 sq feet

    Or the older design Kitchen Queen 380 similar to the 480 but smaller and similar sized to the grand comfort


    Texan turtle freezing on the beaches.
    Zoo keepers finding animals frozen to death.
    Only the toughest of Neanderthal are walking around in shorts.

    John Day

    Opening The CIAs Can of Worms, Edward Curtain Thanks Wiggs [attacks and deplatforming on RFK Jr, self-limiting journalistic dissenters]
    ​T​he CIA and the media are part of the same criminal conspiracy,” wrote Douglas Valentine in his important book, The CIA As Organized Crime.​..We have long been subjected to this “information warfare,” whose purpose is to win the hearts and minds of the American people and pacify them into victims of their own complicity, just as it was practiced long ago by the CIA in Vietnam and by The New York Times, CBS, etc. on the American people then and over the years as the American warfare state waged endless wars, coups, false flag operations, and assassinations at home and abroad.
    ​ ​Another way of putting this is to say for all practical purposes when it comes to matters that bear on important foreign and domestic matters, the CIA and the corporate mainstream media cannot be distinguished.
    ​ ​For those who read and study history, it has long been known that the CIA has placed their operatives throughout every agency of the U.S. government, as explained by Fletcher Prouty in The Secret Team; that CIA officers Cord Myer and Frank Wisner operated secret programs to get some of the most vocal exponents of intellectual freedom among intellectuals, journalists, and writers to be their voices for unfreedom and censorship, as explained by Frances Stonor Saunders in The Cultural Cold War and Joel Whitney in Finks, among others; that Cord Myer was especially focused on and successful in “courting the Compatible Left” since right wingers were already in the Agency’s pocket.

    Opening the CIA’s Can of Worms

    ​After being deplatformed on Instagram, and libeled by the New York Time:
    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Chairman of Children’s Health Defense, said:
    “Every statement I put on Instagram was sourced from a government database, from peer-reviewed publications and from carefully confirmed news stories. None of my posts were false. Facebook, the pharmaceutical industry and its captive regulators use the term ‘vaccine misinformation’ as a euphemism for any factual assertion that departs from official pronouncements about vaccine health and safety, whether true or not. This kind of censorship is counterproductive if our objective is a safe and effective vaccine supply.

    RFK, Jr. Responds to Instagram’s Removal of His Account

    ​ ​Conspiracies for good and for evil do exist now, as they have from time immemorial, Matthew Ehret writes. The only question is which intention do you want to devote your life towards?
    ​ ​If you are starting to feel like forces controlling the governments of the west are out to get you, then it is likely that you are either a paranoid nut job, or a stubborn realist.
    ​ ​Either way, it means that you have some major problems on your hands.​..
    Nancy Pelosi’s official biographer Molly Ball, recently penned a scandalous Time Magazine article entitled
    ‘The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign that Saved the 2020 Elections’ which admitted to this conspiracy saying:
    ​ ​“Even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream- a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information.” (Lest you think that this was a subversion of democracy, Ball informs us that “they were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it.”)
    ​ ​Another conclusion you might come to is that many of the political figures whom you believed were serving those who elected them into office, actually serve the interests of a clique of technocrats and billionaires lusting over the deconstruction of western civilization under something called “a Great Reset”.

    How Conspiracy Theorizing May Soon Get You Labelled a ‘Domestic Terrorist’

    ​ The “incompetence defense”; (These guys/gals just do as they are told, and are comfortable saying their lines with straight faces, no matter how inane.)​ Thanks Wiggs, and Our Girl Helen of DesTroy
    America’s future is in the hands of woefully inept cretins at a time when creativity and innovation are needed more than ever
    ​ ​The US’ future looks grim indeed in the face of a ‘Great Reset’ proposed by the same powers that steered it into a deadly economic quagmire. Why are Americans allowing those who broke their world the privilege of ‘fixing’ it?
    ​ ​Americans with more power and connections than sense have rushed forward over the last year, attempting to seize the right to ‘fix’ a society broken by shockingly stupid responses to the Covid-19 pandemic. Entire generations are being rendered suicidally depressed, unemployable, hopelessly alienated, and worse, while the likelihood that the current generation of children will mature into functional adults is rapidly shrinking. There is no one-size-fits-all solution for such a heterogenous population, and this moment calls for an unprecedented degree of creativity and imagination if we are to survive as a society.

    ​It’s about time, time to get finished with COVID-phobia.
    The cheap, generic anti-parasite drug Ivermectin finally is to undergo rigorous clinical trials in a first-world nation for use in fighting COVID-19. Japan has been hit with a second wave of COVID cases, and as a result, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government (population: 13.8 million) is looking for approaches that could minimize stress on available hospital beds.​..
    ​ The Tokyo government hopes to support the trials using some beds at metropolitan and public hospitals. Ivermectin will be given to patients with mild symptoms, comparing their response with those receiving a placebo…
    ​ ​Japan has a large and thriving pharmaceutical industry as well as a respected medical research capability. In fact, Ivermectin was developed in Japan by Kitasato University professor emeritus Satoshi Omura, who won the 2015 Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine for his feat.

    ​Brad and Jeremy bith sent versions of this molecular biology analysis of plausible effects of the COVID-19 spike protein, and also the m-RNA based “vaccines” designed to stimulate immune response against the virus. Spike protein​ segments are the critical factor. They seem to be able to cause abnormal folding of intracellular proteins into “prion” configurations. “Prions”, abnormally folded proteins, are what cause “Mad Cow Disease” and the Jacob-Kreuzfeld human equivalent. These configurations cause other pieces of the same protein to also fold abnormally, and this shows up as protein clogs , “amyloid plaques” building up, and making nerve cells and regions of the nervous system malfunction and gradually worsen, as in Alzheimers.
    I am not endorsing this hypothesis, but merely considering it, keeping it in mind.
    The initial binding could be between spike proteins on the surface of the cell transfected by the vaccine and ACE2 on the surface of an adjacent cell. The resulting complex may become internalized. Alternatively, the interaction could initially take place in the cytoplasm of a cell that makes ACE2 and has been transfected with the vaccine RNA coding for the spike protein. The interaction is quite concerning given the belief that the virus causing COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, is a bioweapon [10,11] and it is possible that the viral spike protein may have been designed to cause prion disease​…
    ​ ​Finally, others working in the field have published additional support that COVID-19 vaccines could potentially induce prion disease. Authors [18] found prion related sequences in the COVID-19 spike protein which were not found in related coronaviruses. Others [19] have reported a case of prion disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, initially occurring in a man with COVID-19.

    Farmer McGregor

    @madamski from yesterday: I certainly would not argue that climate change poses a significant problem to humanity, especially over the long term. It is my opinion that resource depletion — which includes potential economic collapse halting industrial production and crippling the fossil fuel industry — is a larger and more imminent problem.

    Your response yesterday was all very well said. I particularly liked this: “James Kuntsler is weird about many things but he is right about this: abandon modernity while you still can…” Years ago I adopted an operative motto from the Archdruid: “Collapse now and avoid the rush”.

    John Day

    @Michael Reid: Thanks for the additional Kitchen Queen research/advice. Wood stoves in Texas were usually an outdoor kitchen thing, due to excess heat. What we need to do is get something compact, just for winter heating, like this:
    We may use heat about half of the days from November through February, maybe a few in March.
    It’s usually a lot warmer here.


    John Day

    Nice stove.
    Keep a pot of water on the stove to give humidity.(hot water when needed)
    A celling fan will spread the heat faster.

    Doc Robinson

    The latest Excess Mortality estimates for Europe (Week 6, 2021) are less than the corresponding 2019 numbers for all ages.
    (click on “Weekly” instead of “Cumulated”)

    madamski cafone

    @ Farmer McGregor

    ““Collapse now and avoid the rush”.”

    Let’s put a ‘c’ at the start of “rush”. 😉 (I want to invoke a Sampson metaphor here, but I wince at the name Sampsonella that my gender would require. Sounds wrong. 😉 )

    I agree that resource depletion is always the primary problem for critters whose existence is based on regular and reliable consumption of what the planet provides. That’s a given. Not enough equals dead. Not to mention that anthropogenic global climate disruption (AGCD) is caused exactly by our extravagant hyper-use of fossil fuels.

    That said, it doesn’t matter if one is killed by a neutron bomb or a mere sliver infection. Dead is dead. Too much bad weather is probably what will finally crush us, imo (barring the unpredictable yet probably inevitable event of a major thermonuclear exchange). The weather disruption will go on for many many decades, long after we’ve run out of fossil energy, and will continue to place overwhelming survival pressure on us in a mostly random and unpredictable way.

    Another way of looking at it: if we had fossil energy abundant enough to last another century at the current consumptiion rate, AGCD would be that much worse and cause even more disruption. (This is not to disagree that running out of energy isn’t by far our most immediately pressing problem. It’s just to say that the cold rain only gets worse where fossil fuels end.)

    It is not a matter of resource availability. That is a primary requirement but a secondary attribute. The primary attribute is human social cooperative behavior, a primary resource that has been in insufficient supply since our mythical forebears ate of the forbidden fruit and Pandora opened that box. You could give us cheap clean unlimited power and we still wouldn’t avoid global catastrophe.

    We are not fit to govern our powers to alter reality. We’re clever but deranged monkeys who look in the mirrors we’ve made and see gods. Intelligence is great fun but not a viable long-term species survival rate for us. ‘scuse the quasi-pun, but all intelligence does with us is go to our heads. ouch

    It’s enough to make a person pray for some kind of answer or help. It’s like a bunch of blind men wearing super-loud bright suits so they can find their way through their darkness.

    Watch Over Us

    Doc Robinson

    “Pandora opened that box… It’s enough to make a person pray for some kind of answer or help.”

    Reminds me that “Hope” (or expectation) was in Pandora’s jar of evils, as if Hope was one of the evils. Or maybe not. Prometheus not only gave fire to humanity, he gave hope.

    Prometheus – I stopped mortals from foreseeing their fate.
    Chorus – What kind of cure did you discover for this sickness?
    Prometheus – I established in them blind hopes.

    (from Prometheus Bound by Aeschylus)

    Farmer McGregor

    Brilliant discussion. “The weather disruption will go on for many many decades, long after we’ve run out of fossil energy, and will continue to place overwhelming survival pressure on us in a mostly random and unpredictable way.” Agreed. Hence my use of the phrase “over the long term”.

    My grandkids will suffer this far more than myself; I expect to experience the slow-motion train wreck of industrial society breaking down around me — I already see this in subtle ways that very few people comprehend, present company excluded of course! (The $hite is hitting the fan in dribbles — if you watch closely you will see the color of the walls slowly changing.) My endeavor is to provide something of a refuge for my offspring in the years to come.

    Interesting that John Day and Michael Reid have been discussing wood stoves; I have been shopping wood cook stoves and will be ordering a Kitchen Queen in the next few days.

    madamski cafone

    @ Farner McGregor

    “…the slow-motion train wreck of industrial society breaking down around me — I already see this in subtle ways that very few people comprehend, present company excluded of course! (The $hite is hitting the fan in dribbles — if you watch closely you will see the color of the walls slowly changing.) ”



    Texas is freezing. Questions from an outsider: when was the last time that Texas had it this cold for this long? Any ideas how long until the next big freeze?

    In Australia’s south-east, we get red-hot summers about every 8 years, but their frequency is increasing. This summer has been cool and mild, great for personal comfort but not good for ripening fruits and vegetables.

    It all comes under the heading of Instability. Hard to prepare for or against.

    madamski cafone

    @ Doc Robinson

    “Reminds me that “Hope” (or expectation) was in Pandora’s jar of evils, as if Hope was one of the evils.”

    The Box surely contained not just evil. Hope is that match in the dark. It requires Despait to exist, Hope, but Despair exists, hence Hope.

    The Box contained wonderful good things… but not in our hands.

    “In Hesiodic scholarship, the interpretive crux has endured:[20] Is the hope imprisoned within a jar full of evils to be considered a benefit for humanity, or a further curse? A number of mythology textbooks echo the sentiments of M. L. West: “[Hope’s retention in the jar] is comforting, and we are to be thankful for this antidote to our present ills.”[21] Some scholars such as Mark Griffith, however, take the opposite view: “[Hope] seems to be a blessing withheld from men so that their life should be the more dreary and depressing.”[22] The interpretation hangs on two related questions: First, how is elpis to be rendered, the Greek word usually translated as “hope”? Second, does the jar preserve elpis for men, or keep it away from men?

    “As with most ancient Greek words, elpis can be translated a number of ways. A number of scholars prefer the neutral translation of “expectation.” Classical authors use the word elpis to mean “expectation of bad,” as well as “expectation of good.” Statistical analysis demonstrates that the latter sense appears five times more than the former in all of extant ancient Greek literature.[23] Others hold the minority view that elpis should be rendered “expectation of evil” (vel sim).[24]”

    Expectation is the prequisite for disappointment. I suppose it depends on where one points that thing.

    madamski cafone

    ” Intelligence is great fun but not a viable long-term species survival rate for us. ”

    Trait not rate.


    We are not likely to run out of fossil fuels anytime soon. We have hundreds if not thousands of years of fossil fuels left.

    The problem is the costs to obtain these fuels. The only time that real practical limits are imposed is when it takes more energy to extract a lessor amount of energy. You normally wouldn’t extract 1 btu of energy if it took 1.1 btu of energy to do it. Still some of this exists. Printing paper money can only cover this type of energy waste (like most shale) for only so long.

    As the costs of fossil fuel extraction rises other forms of energy can sort of begin to compete. Governments of course use taxpayer subsidies to hurry new energy production that uses more energy to produce less energy. Only wealthy countries can afford to do this. Poor countries can’t.

    V. Arnold

    We are not likely to run out of fossil fuels anytime soon. We have hundreds if not thousands of years of fossil fuels left.

    Agrees with my information as well.
    EROI — energy return on investment-the ratio of energy received to spent, energy profitability) in physics, economic and environmental energy — the ratio of the amount of usable (useful) energy…


    So Australia has been canceled! That is O.K. as the water in their toilets circles down the drain in the wrong direction! Facebook said so!

    Jill loves the money joe brings in. Since she is a doctor, joe is in good hands even if joe doesn’t know it!

    As for the US having “nominal” negative interest rates (NIRP), that isn’t going to happen. If the world’s major reserve currency were to go “nominally” NIRP, then all of the world’s commodity markets would instantly go into permament “backwardation”!

    To get around that problem, the Fed is aiming instead for negative “real” interest rates. This is a world where inflation is higher than the “nominal” slightly positive interest rate.

    We are right now running at least minus 2% real interest rates. The Fed is hoping to drive the real interest rates much more negative soon. It is the only way for the government to avoid having to pay back the debt!

    V. Arnold

    Since she is a doctor, joe is in good hands even if joe doesn’t know it!

    Jill is a Phd.; not an MD… 😉


    John Day:

    I have two types of wood stoves. New & Old.

    The house has an EPA stove with an electric blower fan. It burns wood quite efficiently (slowly). It has a feature that circulates unburnt wood gases back towards the front to be burned. It also has fire brick lining inside the fire box.

    The cottage however has a 50 year old wood stove that is basically just a round metal cylinder with a door on the front and a stove pipe coming out the top of the other end. Very simple. The door has an adjustable slider vent opening to help control the burn rate (slower or faster). Also in the stove pipe, above the ood stove, is a butterfly dampener.

    Conclusion: The cottage stove easily burns twice the wood for less heat! Obtaining and cutting enough dried firewood is a big job so don’t under estimate this aspect!


    V. Arnold:

    I guess I should have put a “/sarc” at the end of the sentence! Nothing slips by your eyes!

    Yes, I know she has a PhD in basket weaving!

    Unfortunately most Americans think she is an MD! The media always pretends she is.

    P.S. Guess you don’t have any need of wood stoves!


    V. Arnold:

    Besides green energy having a negative EROI, there are other examples too.

    One of these is created by the huge price differentials between a btu of natural gas and a btu of oil.

    For example tar sand oil is extracted by using natural gas to heat the tar sands. I have to wonder if this process requires more btus than is produced?

    The same may also apply to making plastics or fertilizers? I am sure there are other examples of negative EROIs that exist. Germans did this to produce oil from coal during WW2.

    V. Arnold

    P.S. Guess you don’t have any need of wood stoves!

    LOL, not any more. I did heat with wood exclusively for about 10 years. Lived on the western slope of the Cascades, on Squaw Mountain (last house) on the road, at 2500 ft.
    Used 10 cords a year and cut every bit myself with my trusty 041 Stihl and an 8lb. axe eye splitting maul.
    Fond memories, but now far behind me… 😉

    V. Arnold

    Yes, I know she has a PhD in basket weaving!

    Jill has been criticised for insisting to be called, Dr. Jill Biden.
    A bit pretentious, IMO…and maybe a bit insecure?…

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    @ WES

    I said “run out of fossil fuel energy” not run out of fossil fuel.

    @ V. Arnold

    “Jill has been criticised for insisting to be called, Dr. Jill Biden.
    A bit pretentious, IMO…and maybe a bit insecure?…”

    More likely, I think, is that she’s pandering to that annoying U Go GRRL feminist crowd.


    V. Arnold:

    One time when I was working in western Wyoming coal mine and had a long weekend, I traveled to Pocotello Idaho then up to Spokane, Washington, then down to Yakima on I82 then to i84 to Pendleton, Oregon and then Le Grande then to Boisie, Idaho then back to Pocotello and then Wyoming.

    Would I have gone anywhere near Squaw Mountain where you lived?

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