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    Gas prices, Roosevelt and Wabash, Chicago 1939   • Study Sees Harmful Effect Of Coronavirus Antibodies In ICU (SCMP) • US Base On Japan’s Okinawa
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle July 15 2020]

    #61152
    V. Arnold
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    Gas prices, Roosevelt and Wabash, Chicago 1939

    Very clever; until one does the math; tax? I don’t know, but at most, that’s what may be saved for buying 6 gals.@ 99 cents, tax included…;-)

    #61153
    V. Arnold
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    Now this is the law of the jungle, as old and as true as the sky,
    And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
    As the creeper that girdles the tree trunk, the law runneth forward and back;
    For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack
    .

    That’s from a poem by Rudyard Kipling. I know he’s been canceled, but I don’t care. I think he’s great.

    Well, you can count me in; I love Kipling; the rest be damned….

    #61154
    zerosum
    Participant

    TAE is hitting all the hot spots.
    I missed one
    Hot Spots
    1. Education
    2. Health
    3. MMT
    4. Relationships
    5. Communication –
    Truth and lies, facts and illusions, beliefs and facts, fiction and non-fiction

    #61156
    Mr. House
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    The burden of truth lies not with myself or you, but with our esteemed governments. Now i’m only 36 but i’m rather certain the government doesn’t generally tell the truth from my short time on earth. Here is an idea, perhaps we are living thru the transition from American Empire to something else as we speak. And our kind world leaders have decided to do it some other way then world war. Do you think they’d just come out and tell you that? Or concoct some other story to keep you distracted and then one day you wake up and they’re like welcome to new world, sorry about the old world.

    #61157
    Mr. House
    Participant

    And all the while, as you were locked up in your house and every independent business went the way of the dodo, and we all argued to boogaloo or not to boogaloo, everything changed for the worse. Based on the actions i’ve witnessed the last 20 years i’m 100% certain the government doesn’t give a F&(# about you unless their is something in it for them. Why does my government spy on its own citizens? What are they scared of? And why has it all been ramping up the last 20 years? Has my country been in a depression since the year 2000, but papered over with money printing and ginned up statistics? I’d say thats a safer bet then buying stocks.

    #61158
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Oh and the cameras didn’t work in Jeff Epsteins suicide proof cell room!

    #61159
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Bush: ‘I’ve Abandoned Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market System’

    #61160
    John Day
    Participant

    Rudyard Kipling was wonderfully talented. I was raised reading Kipling and Mark Twain. Kipling’s patron was , awkwardly, the British Empire. Twain had readers amongst the wealthy, but more independence, because of his wonderful, gentle wit, which always seemed to be directed at somebody just to the left or right of the reader. The reader was a confidant…

    #61161
    John Day
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    http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/07/new-management.html
    ​I did COVID testing in the parking lot yesterday morning at clinic. I just got the last couple of test results from June 29. 15 day turnaround on test results. You are well, hospitalized or dead by then.
    I had to send 3 people to hospitals from the parking lot, 2 for really low blood oxygen, and a pregnant lady, short of breath, who had just vomited blood. These are the people who sounded good enough on the phone to schedule for a drive-up swab, except one of the low oxygen guys just showed up without scheduling. I know him. He has cancer.
    I dressed back up and went out to see him. We talked. He drove to the hospital with no AC, in 105 degrees.
    I printed some of his labs and notes and called ahead to the ER charge nurse.
    I didn’t make him wait long in the parking lot.
    He’s a nice guy.​ I’d have done the same for a jerk

    ​Charles Hugh Smith asks if America can have a French Style Revolution, a wholesale replacement of ruling elites and institutions. None of the elites can relinquish any privilege of ownership of free stuff, nor prerogative of command, despite obvious incompetence.​ So the drowning elites maintain their chokeholds on each other, and upon us, as we all go down.
    At some point, choke holds break. When?
    If the political system, including corporate ownership, oligarchy, deep criminality and deep-state-coercion cannot function, and is degrading over time, what are the potential inflection points?
    People without food will not obey, and will kill those they see as their overlords before they die.
    Real overlords make them see somebody else, like privileged-white-people a couple of blocks over.
    Someday that illusion goes “POOF”!
    That “POOF” will come around the time the world stops accepting dollars as dollars, and demands stuff for the dollars they have stockpiled, and Americans will not be able to afford that stuff. America exporting , instead of importing will mean about 1/3 as much new stuff for Americans.
    How can that transition be mitigated? Who can do such mitigating? Can you pre-mitigate some things yourself?
    https://www.oftwominds.com/blogjuly20/Bastille-Day7-20.html

    #61162
    Bill7
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    Mr. House said:

    “And all the while, as you were locked up in your house and every independent business went the way of the dodo, and we all argued to boogaloo or not to boogaloo, everything changed for the worse. Based on the actions i’ve witnessed the last 20 years i’m 100% certain the government doesn’t give a F&(# about you..”

    you betcha.. and the “pandemic”™ is cover for what’s coming for almost all of us.

    Yea, and verily.

    -Bill7

    #61163
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    ANTIBODIES

    I read that about 45% to 65% of the population will be naturally resistant – their body’s defence system will eliminate it without the need to produce antibodies. I also read that many of those with asymptomatic or mild versions of C-19 will not produce antibodies – again, it is dealt with by the body’s natural defence system.

    I also read that antibodies disappear quickly – from two weeks to two months depending on the severity of the infection. This means people can be re-infected. There will never be herd immunity.

    Now it appears that the antibodies can be worse than the disease!

    Vaccines work by stimulating the creation of antibodies. The above suggests that this could either be harmful and/or the effects will only last for a short time. Either way it seems that a vaccine is not a viable solution.

    We are now in the summer months where a normal flu has died out, but this virus is still very active.

    We may be stuck with it for a long time and it could become endemic.

    It seems we need a treatment which prevents antibodies being created, which points to HCQ.

    There is the French approach : taking HCQ as soon as the symptoms manifest. There is also the American approach : treating the disease as soon as the symptoms become serious with HCQ/zinc/AZN.

    There are enough treated patients for a follow-up study to find out what the long term effects were.

    It does seem that HCQ is our only hope, other approaches are either too late or may cause their own problems.

    #61164
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    @John Day – Thanks! You are a wonderful brick in a very stout wall, sir!

    re: the drowning

    It seems more like they have convinced us to keep holding them above water. If we just stop buying all the crap they try to sell us, stop hating who they tell us we must hate, the grip is loosened. Every day now I’m trying to do something different about my life.

    I’ve had several encounters while out hiking/biking where the other party seems desperate for conversation. The isolation is cracking a shell. Folks are more amenable to rational discussion. Less bravado, less contrarianism, more logic. Talk often wraps around to the basics of life like food production, artisan furniture, stuff that fits into Kunstler’s “Made By Hand” schtick.

    My thing is bicycles. I’m really good at building and maintaining them. I have enough Dunning-Kruger to think I can build a bicycle from scratch (wood, bamboo, yucca) if I couldn’t get modern parts. There are a lot of machines that can be built with bicycle-like parts. Therefore, it follows (DK again) that I could probably engineer and build a host of useful machines if the need should arise.

    My thoughts are very diffuse today. I’m rambling, so I’ll stop.

    #61165
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-induced-adverse-reactions-more-half-trial-participants

    So they are planning a bigger trial!

    At least it may also test if antibodies themselves cause problems, eg. death!

    #61166
    Geppetto
    Participant

    Woke up this morning thinking about Dr. John, with a picture in my head of someone with a pillow tied to their face. Hahahah!

    Human Nature:

    https://m.facebook.com/chadgoesdeep/videos/411839819716165/?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2F1173906902646753%2Fposts%2F3125262590844498%2F&_rdr

    #61167
    redshift
    Participant

    All you need to know about Bari Weiss:

    #61169
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    The US politicians and consultants are performing a pagan ritual instead of embracing science and spending the money to restore the national public health system. The Trump Administration has moved pandemic record keeping from the Center for Disease Control to Health and Human Services. No doubt because the top of the chain knows that the epidemiologists are in cahoots with the FBI agents in the government employees witch hunt against him.

    The fundamental problem is that this magical thinking is divorced from reality. The Wuhan coronavirus is the fifth common cold that kills humans. It would have simply been ignored by the Elite except the sick clog up intensive care units. It is unlikely there will be a lifetime vaccine or it will die out like Spanish flu. Testing, tracing and isolation must be implemented now in the United States. Americans cannot wait for a for-profit vaccine or treatment.

    If not, the consequences are severe. Americans will remain quarantined from the virus free nations of the world. Jet Setters will be banned forever unless they have their own islands, a 727 Lolita Express, plus pay bribes to airport officials, but risk jail time or worse if they ignite a new hot spot. Delta Air Lines is losing billions of dollars invested on overseas airlines and international flights. The company will not be able to unblock center seats in the USA since even with filtered air, super spreaders will infect seat mates. Prices will have to skyrocket to make a profit. Unemployed and uninfected Americans will stop flying. Boeing Commercial Airplanes will fail. Boeing Field, Renton Municipal Airport and Paine Field manufacturing facilities will be the new Rust Belt.

    #61170
    Archie
    Participant

    Very clever; until one does the math; tax? I don’t know, but at most, that’s what may be saved for buying 6 gals.@ 99 cents, tax included…;-

    A penny saved is a penny earned, or so it goes.

    #61171
    Archie
    Participant

    @VV

    I’m thinking there is a “Casablanca” update contained in our current travails.

    #61172
    zerosum
    Participant

    I sure that more than me has had the following thoughts …
    1. Trump thinks he will lose and is in the process of undermining the social/economic system, so bad that the opposition winner will NOT be able to govern.
    2. Only one thing is important for Trump …. when the history books mention his name, that it’s spelled right.

    #61173

    No one will probably read this, but I just got back from the lake after a session on the pontoon to see comet Neowise. We had a very good view of it for being just outside the city. It was plainly visible to the naked eye and magnificent through the binoculars. After a bit of swimming to celebrate the event (along with two spectacular meteors), we got home around 11:45. Absolutely luscious!

    I think what I hate most about masks is that they keep the fear and dread in our faces at all times. They aren’t going away, even if “Covid” does. Silly, doomed humans, embracing their fear and feeding on it like sugar. We sit on the sofa consuming the empty calories of specious safety making us fat, cowardly, and helpless.

    #61174
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    No one will probably read this, but I just got back from the lake after a session on the pontoon to see comet Neowise. We had a very good view of it for being just outside the city. It was plainly visible to the naked eye and magnificent through the binoculars. After a bit of swimming to celebrate the event (along with two spectacular meteors), we got home around 11:45. Absolutely luscious!

    Lucky you. Sounds great…

    But, what follows is as though written by a different person…

    I think what I hate most about masks is that they keep the fear and dread in our faces at all times. They aren’t going away, even if “Covid” does. Silly, doomed humans, embracing their fear and feeding on it like sugar. We sit on the sofa consuming the empty calories of specious safety making us fat, cowardly, and helpless.

    This person is frightened, angry, feeling helpless and projecting fiercely.
    My attitude is opposite in all the points.
    I dislike the masks, but have adapted to this life, as it is today.
    Adaptation is an important, and healthy, human trait.
    Reflect, and count your blessings. Be kind to yourself and re-read that 2nd part carefully; it holds many secrets to your inner being…
    Good cheer and happy trails…

    #61175
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    ^ I do hope the above is taken in the spirit it was offered…

    #61198

    I take it graciously, V. Arnold.
    The public reaction to this virus has made me little crazy. At the lake, NO ONE wears a mask. Everything is normal. There is danger on the lake- every year there are a few drowning deaths, but it doesn’t keep people from the water. They learn to swim. The joys of water vastly outweigh the dangers.
    We are making over the human race in response to a pathogen that simply is not that severe. Humans were never meant to cover their faces- it has long been a sign of an untrustworthy person. Humans were never meant to keep their distance from each other- it is a sign of hostility. And now we are forcing children over 2 to wear masks and stay away from each other. This will damage them severely, and in their later years they will mistrust others and see hostility where there is none. That kind of early programming is difficult to undo. It affects adults as well- I cannot detach the current social tensions from the public health initiatives.
    We are remaking humanity, and it is not a change that is for the better.

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