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    Rembrandt van Rijn The resurrection of Christ 1639   • Trump: Iran’s Nuclear Facilities “Completely & Totally Obliterated” (ZH) • Trump Hails ‘Sp
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 22 2025]

    #190612
    citizenx
    Participant

    bibi and trump worshipping and fawning over each other-

    both are psychos, both are war criminal murdering scum, both should be destroyed for the sake of humanity

    neither israel or the u.s. are agreement capable of honest negotiations

    it’s over for both rogues terrorist nations, they must be stopped, contained, and ultimately destroyed.

    if russia, china and the rest of what remains in the civilized world is clear thinking- only one option remains

    #190613
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Israel went all-in on a quick decapitation war, and that strategy has failed. Netanyahu has just bet the farm on the roll of a dice and lost.”

    Why not? Otherwise he goes to jail on the way home. Why WOULDN’T you? And: did he though? The U.S. Trump just bailed him. No jail for you! You were just staring dozens of voluntary wars and running a genocide! All good.

    ““Six “bunker buster” bombs were dropped by multiple B-2 stealth bombers.”

    You guys make me sick. Also did they stop anything? Meh, prob not.

    Well everybody happy now? We can move on to the budget and finish strangling the real Bad Guys?

    “We lost over 1,000 people and hundreds of thousands throughout the Middle East,”

    Yes, because we sent our people OVER THERE. Did we lose 1,000 to Iran in Bakersfield?

    Again, what does RUSSIA say? Did they say this “acquire a nuclear weapon that they will either use or hand off to terrorists.” that I said only yesterday? K-Pop’s plan is to let them build it, so they can then swoop in and grab it. So Russia, no protests, because they’ve most probably been IN the bases, and their conclusion was the same?

    So what’s CHINA doing, their ally? Why wouldn’t you trust their friends, and not the U.S.? So I’ll take China’s lead on this? Oh doing this in the U.S. is the Bad Thing™ but doing the same thing as China is the Good Thing.™

    “• Iran Accuses US Of Nuclear Treaty Violation (RT)

    “Accuses”? That’s weak. This is easily-provably black-letter violation. BY the entire world. News: the reason ANYONE – anyone at all – would EVER sign the NPT is so they can have nuclear works and be protected from the world because it’s all inspected, approved, legit. What you just informed the world is two 1) Why bother, the treaty, organization, budget, rules, international law not worth the paper they’re written on if you didn’t know already 2) Every nation needs to get a nuclear bomb immediately, and NOT pretend any truck with the Nuclear treaties.

    ““Well, there were no weapons of mass destruction [in Iraq]. I never thought there were.” “There was a nuclear age [in 2003], but nothing like it is today.”

    Oh sure, they could know that certainly. And they can’t say how or everyone will get killed. But that’s the problem about TRUST. Do we Trust the U.S. when they say this but can’t provide direct evidence? That’s the dividing line.

    I don’t trust them with this level of public record and exposure, it’s not even trying. Show me. TRY to sell me on it. Try. Give me a concession: you can’t reveal this, but you declass 40 previous years on Iran.

    “The “third parties” that back Kiev are not interested in ending the Ukraine conflict, but are instead using the country for their own goals, Russian President Vladimir Putin has told Sky News”

    Interesting. Which “Third Parties”? Okay, hearing from the Ukraine shills Europe is all over this, even Germany alone just opened a shell factory that will bury Russia back to 1:1 shell ratio. True? Meh. Why not? The point is what I was saying: WHY haven’t they opened these factories? Europe is very very dangerous, the foremost danger to world peace. As always. As the world knows. Russia knows all this which is why they’ve been building and not deploying, as if this is a long war, world war, NATO v Russia, out into 2030. Here’s your first tendril.

    “Who makes these decisions?
    • Zelensky Reshuffles Top Brass To Fix Faltering Draft – FT (RT)

    Kolomoisky. As the front for the K-Pop mafia running the whole thing. Duran was mentioning they had their replacement all set up in London, to remove Ze. Yeah, we know. What does that tell you? By defininition, it’s not Ze and it’s not even Ukraine. And so why LONDON? Why not the ambassador who was in Poland, U.S., France? Oh that tells you the entire war is being run from MI6 LONDON, and not these other places? Yeah, we know.

    #190614
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Oh, BTW, Markets? All fine. Nothing anywhere, carry on.

    #190615
    EoinW
    Participant

    They did not use B-2s nor bunker buster bombs and the damage was superficial.

    Interesting new American war strategy: lie about everything! Just pretend they won. That will get the job done.

    If Alice goes any further underground she’s going to trip over Iran’s nuclear reactors.

    Iran-Israel were at war last week and the stock market went up and oil went down. Manipulation Baby!

    What does the USA do when it collides with reality? Break apart? Until then try to enjoy the Puff Pastry President without getting too much indigestion.

    #190617
    poppie
    Participant

    EoinW. That rhymes too well to not be true. Is it your own or have you seen something?

    #190618
    EoinW
    Participant

    Puff Pastry President? No, not mine. A poster at Moon of Alabama deserves the credit. I’ve been too busy calling him Billy Bigelow(Carni barker from Carousel).

    #190619
    zerosum
    Participant

    COMMUNICATION, ADVOCATOR,
    influencer: champion, upholder, supporter, backer, promoter, cheerleaders

    Right or Wrong, Black or White, War or Peace, Truth or Lies

    Synonyms: of SYMPATHIZERS: supporters, allies, confederates, colleagues, friends, associates, confidants;

    Antonyms: of SYMPATHIZERS: detractors, enemies, opponents, …
    ————
    Impunity
    Similar:
    immunity, indemnity, exemption, license, reprieve, exoneration, privilege, favoritism
    ————
    Secrets, Deception
    ———–
    • Trump: Iran’s Nuclear Facilities “Completely & Totally Obliterated” (ZH)

    • US Strike On Iran Will ‘Change History’ – Netanyahu (RT)

    • Iran Accuses US Of Nuclear Treaty Violation (RT)

    • Trump Says US Intel of Iran’s Nuclear Program “Was Wrong”, Tulsi Responds (ET)

    • Putin’s Message to the West: Your Dominance is Over – BRICS+ the Future (Sp.)
    ————–
    https://x.com/DravenNoctis/status/1936037441661448356
    ————–

    #190620
    poppie
    Participant

    I see it coming through other channels now. Thank you. Talk about a show for the rubes

    #190621
    Topcat
    Participant

    Iran launched a barrage of #missiles towards Israel hours after US struck 3 nuclear sites in Iran.

    Significant damage has been reported in Israel following Iranian missile strikes this morning.

    Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Navy, Brigadier General Reza Tangsir:

    “The Strait of Hormuz will be closed within a few hours.”

    Video here:

    https://x.com/i/status/1936714148521648410

    https://x.com/i/status/1936717074362925221

    https://x.com/i/status/1936714638445469777

    https://x.com/i/status/1936715191816687781

    #190622
    Topcat
    Participant

    Donald Trump to Barak Ravid few hours ago: “We achieved a great success tonight. Israel is now much safer.”

    Down town Tel Aviv this morning.

    In your face…

    video: https://x.com/i/status/1936667233704419567

    .

    #190623
    Topcat
    Participant

    Iranian Defense Ministry threatens to impose a blockade on the Strait of Hormuz:


    “Oil tankers will not be able to reach Europe through the Strait of Hormuz.”

    Sweet, smooth move for Trumptard

    #190624
    Topcat
    Participant

    Wakey, wakey Zionville

    Iran fired 27 missiles at Israel in two close volleys, hitting 10 sites from Golan to Tel Aviv. Extensive damage reported in Haifa and Tel Aviv. Medical teams continue rescue efforts.

    #190625
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    I’m writing this in response to what @aspnaz wrote on the forum in response to my question about what country and belief system does he ascribe to. He basically just insulted me as hard as he could (same old stuff, nothing new or exciting) and did not answer my question. He did not reveal his nationality or allegiance. So here is what I am saying to him NOW, in response to his attacks and his evasion.

    Still not saying are you, Aspie?

    Name the nation of your birth, education, loyalty and residence.

    Then maybe we can talk seriously.

    Until then you remain a faceless anonymous coward who is so fearful of being shown out to be a congenital liar that he will not even say who he is or what he stands for. He will only spew various kinds of hatred and lies and malevolence toward anyone he doesn’t like.

    What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are aspnaz. I would rather deal with a genocidal Jewish child killer. At least then I would know who they were and what they believed in so that I could address their insanity directly. But in your case there is no one there to even identify or know anything about. Nothing but a viciously ravening and spiteful bodiless scream in the air demanding that everything and every one that he personally hates should be hated as well, and killed.

    The world itself is at this moment at serious risk of putting an end to itself. Suicide, actually. I can see no word for it that is more definitively descriptive of the present situation than “suicide.”

    I can hear the 911 call in my mind’s eye. “Hello, am I speaking with Law Enforcement? You are! Oh, thank God! I need to report a suicide in progress! We need something done to stop it before it’s too late!”

    And you, @aspnaz, what is your proposed solution to this extremely real and immediate truly dire problem? Why, you demand that we go out and kill more people.

    At the risk of being overly dispassionate, I’m going to just tell you in unambiguous terms @aspnaz (whoever you are) that your proposed solution to the situation is not going to work. It would inevitably end up with everybody dead, which is suicide and therefore totally unacceptable in every way possible.

    Can you hear yourself? Are you aware that you are literally saying that the best way to handle an ongoing attempted suicide is to commit suicide?

    Since that is apparently the case (based on what you are posting on this forum) then I can’t think of anything else I can tell you except that suicide is not the solution to suicide. Good-bye.

    #190626
    those darned kids
    Participant

    the tale of yertle, the chrump..

    #190627
    John Day
    Participant

    Trump’s Betrayal Of America https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/trumps-betrayal-of-america

    ​ I wonder what “God” he is praying to… President Trump addressed the nation at 2200ET and said that with “massive precision strikes”, Iran’s nuclear facilities have “been completely and totally obliterated” in a “spectacular military success.”
    ​ He warned Iran (“the bully of the Middle East”) that if they do not come to peace then there are many other targets:
    “There will be either peace; or tragedy for Iran worse than the likes of which we have seen over the last eight days.”
    ​ “If peace does not come quickly,” we will go after the rest of the nation with “speed and skill.”
    He ended the speech by saying “God bless The Middle East, Gold bless Israel, and God bless The United States.”​ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/force-posturing-six-b-2-stealth-bombers-en-route-indo-pacific-ahead-trumps-intel

    ​ Meryl Nass MD: I hate anonymous sourcing, but this NYT info is likely correct:
    6 B2 stealth bombers dropped 12 [6 reported now]of the MOAB 30,000 lb [GBU 57] bombs on the Fordow site.
    1 additional B2 bomber dropped 2 of the bombs on Natanz.
    In addition, 30 TLAM cruise missiles were fired from Navy submarines at the Isfahan and Natanz sites.
    We have heard nothing about the extent of the damage apart from what Mr. Trump has claimed, using superlatives to say Iran’s nuclear ability has been entirely destroyed.
    The widely reported sending of B2s to Diego Garcia and Guam was apparently a decoy. Guam is further from Iran than the US mainland is. Fox analysts think the B2s flew directly from the US with tankers refueling them en route. https://merylnass.substack.com/p/latest

    “US Declared War on Iran”, “Only entry and exit tunnels at Fordow destroyed”, Iran: US Struck Fordow, Isfahan & Natanz Russians Broke Through the Defense Near Pokrovsk MS 2025.06.22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bZwdjkzcUQ

    ​ Mike Mihajlovic, Israel vs Iran: GBU-57A/B MOP Bunker Buster or Bunker Busted [i]
    The GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), developed by the United States, is one of the most powerful conventional weapons ever built — a non-nuclear ​”bunker buster” designed to destroy deeply buried and hardened underground facilities.
    ​ This article provides a technical breakdown of the MOP’s capabilities and limitations when targeting Iranian underground military sites, including nuclear facilities and command centers. We’ll explore how deep these bunkers are, what they’re made of, and whether the MOP can actually destroy them.​ ​
    https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/israel-vs-iran-gbu-57ab-mop-bunker

    #190628
    John Day
    Participant

    ​Before last night’s attacks: Pakistan recommends Trump for Nobel Peace Prize https://swentr.site/news/620141-pakistan-recommends-trump-nobel-peace-prize/

    ​ Iran accuses US of violating nuclear treaty with airstrikes
    The country’s nuclear watchdog has reported no leaks or contamination at the targeted sites​ https://swentr.site/news/620194-iran-cassuses-us-nuclear-violations/

    Simplicius, June 20, 2025, Israel Buckles as Iran War Shifts to New Drag-Out Phase
    Today a round of urgent talks concluded in Geneva between European-American representatives and Iran’s Foreign Minister Araghchi. The talks reportedly went nowhere as Iran rejected calls to end all enrichment, and instead rebutted that Iran will not negotiate with anyone until all attacks by Israel first cease.​..
    ..Araghchi’s bold rejection seems to imply that Iran is not particularly desperate for an end to the hostilities, which can only indicate that its leadership views their chances in the escalating attritional war positively…
    ..Israel has begun racking up some serious damage against Iran since the last report. The latest compilation released by the IDF shows quite a few new Iranian radar sites hit by what is likely to be Delilah missiles…
    ​..Oryx’s team has apparently now engaged themselves in this conflict, and claim nearly ~80 verified hits on Iranian ballistic missile launchers thus far.
    ​ It brings us to the brief discussion of numbers. Sources claim Iran has anywhere from 3,000 to 28,000 total ballistic missiles, and produces roughly ~300 new ones per month, which is a relatively plausible number given what we know of Russia’s own production figures. 28,000 is likely exaggerated, and the lower end of the scale is a more realistic bet; no country really has stockpiles that large.​..
    ..Iran produces up to ~300 per month. This could also point to why Iran has cut down to launching only a dozen or so per day, as 10 per day multiplied by 30 days is precisely 300—this would allow Iran to essentially break even and launch just enough to continue the pace indefinitely without further depleting stockpiles.​ But on top of that, Israel’s ability to repel the strikes has been degraded as well, as per their own sources…
    ..That means Iran needs to fire nearly half as much, for the same effect. And this is shown by the graph above, where you can see that claimed “impacts” are similar despite the numbers launched being much lower than initially…
    ..Despite the reduction in the number of missiles in a salvo by the end of the first week of shelling, the number of recorded hits often remains approximately the same – at the level of 4-5 hits . This number was observed both with 50 missiles launched and with 20….
    ..Trump seems to have gotten major cold feet after realizing taking out ‘Fordow’ may either not be as simple as he’d like, or yield no practical results…
    ..Trump is cautious about the idea of striking Iran… he is considering the option of limited strikes – only on Iranian nuclear facilities, in particular in Natanz and Fordow. This is not a full-scale war, but rather targeted actions to contain Iran’s nuclear ambitions without getting drawn into a protracted conflict.
    ​ He claims to be in favor of giving Iran another two weeks… But of course, recall that he used the ruse of negotiations before to allow Israel to sneak-attack Iran—so this could be another in a long line of lies…
    ..He also inadvertently confirmed that the issue was not that Iran was currently making a bomb, but rather ‘greedily’ stockpiling more civilian Uranium than ‘is necessary’. Trump presumes to dictate to sovereign nations which energy sources they can or can’t rely on for their needs…
    ..But most egregious of all was Trump’s despicable throwing under the bus of Tulsi Gabbard because she fell “off-message” with an increasingly narrowing clique of Svengali agents puppeteering Trump’s inner circle… Trump shockingly implies Gabbard has no clue what she’s talking about, despite earlier appointing her precisely to be his top intelligence informant as Director of National Intelligence… It’s clear Trump’s foreign policy has been hijacked by the Mossad, and he’s now dangerously sidelining the only people capable of providing him the real unadulterated truth about the ongoing situation…​ W hile Trump may have always been a proponent of a disarmed Iran, the fact remains that the current Iranian nuclear ‘flashpoint’ was not even an issue up until Israel started to lose the Gaza war…​ Facing collapse of his regime, Netanyahu suddenly and conveniently upped the rhetoric against Iran…
    ..Israel likewise continues begging Trump to ‘finish the job’ as if the plan all along was merely for Israel to “open up” the gates for US firepower…
    ..Israel never had the endurance to go twelve full rounds with Iran, and the hope was always that US would step in, which is why everything now depends on Trump and his tiny cohort of string-pullers.
    ​ But again, judging by Araghchi’s defiance, Iran does not seem in a particular hurry to genuflect to the Empire. This can only mean that Iran likes its chances…
    ​..”Maersk has suspended all vessel calls to Haifa, Israel’s only fully operational deepwater/hub port. With Ashdod Port constrained by its proximity to Gaza and Eilat Port now defunct due to the Red Sea blockade, Israel’s maritime access is approaching strategic isolation.”
    ​ Recall that Israel’s airports are also now facing lockdown, with Israeli leaders forbidding people from permanently fleeing the sinking ship of a country. They may also be trying to use visiting foreign Jews as human shields to create more PR ‘tragedies’​…
    ​..One thing is certain, while Iran’s strikes may have declined, so have Israel’s notable hits, particularly after Iran launched a nation-wide dragnet which has thus far netted dozens of Israeli operatives. The Mossad, for the time being at least, has been critically weakened in Iran, which has resulted in a sharp drop-off of “successes”. Now Israel spins its wheels, striking empty or nonessential ‘nuclear sites’ to no effect merely to evoke a sense of momentum for its flagging operation, while Iran slowly reorganizes itself and puts the country on a wartime footing.
    ​ After the initial ‘splurge’ and fireworks, we now enter a new slug match phase that will test each country’s endurance. The US continues arraying massive forces everywhere from Saudi Arabia to Diego Garcia and could tip the scales in Israel’s favor should Trump commit to a massive long-haul operation. But we shouldn’t fool ourselves in thinking the US would not face dire consequences for this: Trump had only just bragged that “wages were up” to the highest level in 60 some-odd years, and was again tooting his horn on the ‘economic miracle’ he’s presiding over. The closure of Hormuz and oil prices spiking to ungodly levels would crush that miracle and send Trump’s ‘golden age’ into the sewer, which is surely foremost on his mind as he hovers his finger over that red button.​ https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-buckles-as-iran-war-shifts

    ​ UN votes 152 to 5 telling Israel to get rid of its nuclear weapons
    The United Nations General Assembly voted overwhelmingly, 152 to 5, to tell the Israeli apartheid regime to get rid of its nuclear weapons, which are illegal under international law.​ https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/10/31/un-vote-israel-nuclear-weapons/

    Putin’s Message to the West at SPIEF: Your Dominance is Over – BRICS+ is the Future​ https://sputnikglobe.com/20250620/putins-message-to-the-west-at-spief-your-dominance-is-over–brics-is-the-future-1122304150.html

    #190630
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ With his honor intact: ‘Worst Ally’: Army Colonel Removed From US Joint Chiefs Staff Over Israel Criticism​
    A United States Army colonel has been removed from his position on the Pentagon staff supporting the Joint Chiefs after his Israel-critical social media posts were publicized by Jewish News Syndicate (JNS). Until this week, Army Col Nathan McCormack led the Joint Chiefs of Staff’s Levant and Egypt branch. That team is part of the Joint Staff J5, which proposes strategies, plans, and policy recommendations to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Within hours of Tuesday’s JNS report, McCormack was yanked from his post​. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/worst-ally-army-colonel-removed-us-joint-chiefs-staff-over-israel-criticism

    ​ Escobar: Iran Now First Line Of Defense For BRICS & The Global South
    ​ By now it’s clear even for the deaf, dumb and blind that this was never about the Iranian nuclear program, or the “effort” to construct a Trump-owned JCPOA 2.0. It is about the lifelong Zionist axis obsession: regime change in Tehran.
    ​ That is the Holy Grail, dreamed of since the late 1990s, capable of opening the door for the deeply troubled Empire of Chaos of Iran’s immense wealth in natural resources – from energy to rare earth deposits, thus prolonging the life of the multi-trillion-dollar-indebted Empire.
    ​ The extra bonuses are even more seductive: cutting off China from a matter of national security – energy imports – and from crucial New Silk Road connectivity corridors, in tandem with opening a monster abscess in Russia’s underbelly.​ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-iran-now-first-line-defense-brics-global-south

    ​ Doc​ Robinson sent this circuitous flight log of a US military plane flying from Crete to London over water on June 20 solstice, avoiding the airspace of all countries who are signatories to the International Criminal Court. I had previously seen a flight log of the Israeli plane that Bibi often uses flying to Greece on Friday the 13th, just before Israel attacked Iran, so I figured he was likely in Greece, as did my Greek friend and her Greek military friends, as per her conveyance of that rumor. https://xcancel.com/MeNMyRC1/status/1936055133785264539 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt4_rozWsAAz6LL.jpg

    Each can carry two G​BU-57 bunker buster bombs: Force Posturing: Six B-2 Stealth Bombers En Route To Indo-Pacific Ahead Of Trump’s Intel Meeting​ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/force-posturing-six-b-2-stealth-bombers-en-route-indo-pacific-ahead-trumps-intel

    #190631
    Noirette
    Participant

    Re. prev. thread. Persia has never surrendered

    — depends in part on the def. of ‘surrender’—

    Goog:

    Approximately 2 million Persian civilians died during World War I, primarily due to famine and disease, exacerbated by the Armenian genocide and the actions of occupying forces. This period also saw occupation by Turkish, Russian, and British troops, although Persia officially maintained neutrality. 1

    wiki:

    The fighting also involved local Persian units, who fought against the Entente and Ottoman forces in Iran. The conflict proved to be a devastating experience for Persia. 2

    1. Other estimates give much higher nos.
    2. The Entente = “Allied powers” F, GB, Rus, later US, Japan.

    I am no historian so, quotes from goog, wiki. But WW1 is surely relevant in a way.

    #190632
    John Day
    Participant

    Saturday 5/21/25: Israel Strikes Iran’s Isfahan Nuclear Facility Amid Escalating Air War​ A primary nuclear facility in Iran’s Isfahan province was targeted by an Israeli airstrike, though local authorities have reported no radiation leaks.​ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-strikes-irans-isfahan-nuclear-facility-amid-escalating-air-war

    ​ Friday, June 20: Israel again under fire from Iran, with about 25 missiles launched
    According to the report, sirens went off in areas including near Tel Aviv, and at least one loud explosion was heard during the attack​ https://tass.com/world/1977467

    ​ TEHRAN, Jun. 20 (MNA) – Al Jazeera reported that THE israeli regime’s Channel 14’s live broadcast headquarters in Haifa was targeted by IRGC missiles.​ The developments comes after the Israeli regime targeted the IRIB headquarters in Tehran on Monday.​ https://en.mehrnews.com/news/233384/Iran-targets-Israel-s-Channel-14-headquarters-VIDEO

    ​ Your tax dollars at work: Israel’s war with Iran costs $200M a day, raising pressure for swift end
    Israel’s war with Iran is costing the country an estimated $200 million per day, according to early assessments reported by The Wall Street Journal—a staggering figure that is quickly becoming a major constraint on the duration of the conflict, Anadolu reports.
    ​ The most expensive burden is the interception of Iranian missiles, which alone can run into tens or even hundreds of millions daily, the WSJ reported on Thursday.
    ​ Systems like David’s Sling and Arrow 3—each interception costing between $700,000 and $4 million—have been activated repeatedly in response to over 400 missiles launched by Iran in recent days.
    ​ Offensive operations are also increasing costs. Deploying Israeli F-35s over 1,000 miles to hit targets in Iran costs approximately $10,000 per hour per jet, in addition to the price of precision bombs like JDAMs and MK84s.​ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250620-israels-war-with-iran-costs-200m-a-day-raising-pressure-for-swift-end/

    Iranian Missile Strikes Hit Key Israeli Intelligence and Command Buildings
    ​..The Fattah seeing its first combat use on June 18, and using a hypersonic glide vehicle to bypass Israeli defences. Among the Israel targets recently successfully hit by Iranian strikes have been the IDF technology base in Be’er Sheeva, serves as the Computer Security Directorate of the Israel Defence Forces. An attack using a single ballistic missile was able to hit the facility after evading interception. A Unit 8200 intelligence facility in the Negev Advanced Technologies Park, which serves as the centre for its cyber defence directorate, was also successfully targeted in a missile strike.​ https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/iranian-missile-strikes-israeli-intel-command

    #190633
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ Iran Deprives Israel of Oil Refining
    ​ Israel has lost its oil refining capacity indefinitely and could face serious fuel problems, writes S&P Global Commodity Insights. The country could face a fuel crisis after Iran fired missiles at the Haifa refinery.
    ​ Tel Aviv is without functioning refineries for at least several weeks. The outages at Haifa and at a second refinery in Ashdod, which is currently undergoing scheduled maintenance, will turn Israel into an importer of petroleum products.​ https://en.topcor.ru/61161-iran-lishil-izrail-neftepererabotki.html

    Third hospital in Tehran deliberately targeted in a week of Israeli aggression​ https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/06/20/750005/third-hospital-tehran-deliberately-targeted-in-week-israeli-aggression

    Especially if you kill the leader who says “no”: US Intel: Iran Likely To Pursue Nukes If US Joins Israel’s War – Trump Worried About ‘Libya Scenario’​ https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intel-iran-likely-pursue-nukes-if-us-joins-israels-war-trump-worried-about-libya

    False-Flag-Bait: USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group Will Arrive In Mideast Waters This Weekend
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uss-nimitz-carrier-strike-group-will-arrive-mideast-waters-weekend

    Fresh anti-missile supplies at great cost, not readily replaceable: 5 U.S. Ballistic Missile Defense Destroyers Now in the Mediterranean Sea​ https://news.usni.org/2025/06/20/5-u-s-ballistic-missile-defense-destroyers-now-in-the-mediterranean-sea

    #190634
    Topcat
    Participant

    Direct hit in a residential block in central Tel Aviv this morning bright and early.

    #190635
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ Ghost flights spotted from China to Iran as Beijing signals entry into conflict
    At least five such flights have taken off from China since June 14, only to vanish from radar as they approach Iranian airspace.
    ​ Their listed destination was Luxembourg, but none of the aircraft entered European airspace, according to FlightRadar24 and The Telegraph data.
    The Telegraph described them as “mystery transport planes.”​ https://interestingengineering.com/culture/china-ghost-flights-to-iran-tracked

    ​ Hitting only Israel so far: TEHRAN, Jun. 22 (MNA) – The Iranian President has declared that his country will give a firm and decisive response to the aggression by the US-backed Israeli regime.
    President Masoud Pezehskian made the comments in a phone call with his Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah El-Sisi on Sunday ni​ght.​ https://en.mehrnews.com/news/233462/Pezeshkian-says-Iran-s-response-to-aggression-is-decisive

    Israel focuses its bombing on displaced people’s camps in Gaza, Civil Defence says​ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250620-israel-focuses-its-bombing-on-displaced-peoples-camps-in-gaza-civil-defence-says/

    ​ Slaughter​ and starve the families: Dozens of aid seekers among 82 people killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza
    Palestinians seeking aid continue to be killed near distribution sites operated by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
    ​ At least 34 Palestinians have been killed and several others wounded by Israeli fire while waiting for humanitarian aid in central and southern Gaza Strip, hospital sources told Al Jazeera.
    At least 82 Palestinians were killed across Gaza by the Israeli army on Friday, sources said, including several in an attack where jets bombed a house west of Deir el-Balah.​ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/20/at-least-35-killed-in-new-israeli-attack-on-gaza-aid-seekers

    ​ Israel army kills 3 children among 16 aid seekers in Gaza since Saturday morning
    People killed while waiting for humanitarian aid at Israeli army-controlled distribution sites, report eyewitnesses​ https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-army-kills-3-children-among-16-aid-seekers-in-gaza-since-saturday-morning/3607176

    #190636
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ The previously imprisoned drug-dealer, released and armed by Israel to interdict food aid to his brothers and sisters, is shunned by his family-clan:
    If left unchecked, Abu Shabab’s Israel-backed militia promises nothing but disaster for Gaza​ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250620-if-left-unchecked-abu-shababs-israel-backed-militia-promises-nothing-but-disaster-for-gaza/

    ​ Trump needs to go to The Hague in shackles: Trump Calls For Special Counsel To Investigate 2020 Election As Texas Launches Separate Inquiry Into 2024 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-calls-special-counsel-investigate-2020-election-texas-launches-separate-inquiry

    Alleged Minn. Assassin Says Gov. Tim Walz Wanted Him To Kill Sen. Amy Klobuchar​ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/alleged-minn-assassin-says-gov-tim-walz-wanted-him-kill-sen-amy-klobuchar

    Who Ran the Autopen, Why are Then Not Arrested, and Why Are the Actions Signed Off On Still In Force?​ https://joehoft.com/who-ran-the-autopen-why-are-then-not-arrested-and-why-are-the-actions-signed-off-on-still-in-force/#google_vignette

    ​ Would you volunteer to be a judge, perhaps, sir? Obama Demands A Ministry Of Truth
    ​ “We want diversity of opinion. We don’t want diversity of facts,” claimed during an interview this week with historian and author Heather Cox Richardson. “That, I think, is one of the big tasks of social media.”
    ​ Obama then flat out called for government regulation of social media platforms to curb the amplification of of what he described as “hateful” and “polarizing” public figures, while respecting First Amendment rights, claiming that censorship is essential to addressing business models that purportedly erode public trust.​ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/obama-demands-ministry-truth

    #190637
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ Jessica Rose Ph.D. Josh Guetzkow, Retsef Levi et al. hammer home risks of COVID-19 injections to pregnant women
    Particularly in gestational weeks 8-13… color me shocked​ https://jessicar.substack.com/p/josh-guetzkow-retsef-levi-et-al-hammer

    ​ Steve Kirsch on the unspeakable mass poisonings: The Czech data reveals the truth about the COVID vaccine. Is that why no epidemiologist or infectious disease expert will touch it?
    ​ The Czech Republic record level data shows the COVID vaccines were neither safe nor effective. Is that why I’m the only guy willing to talk about what it says publicly?​ ​
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/the-czech-data-reveals-the-truth

    ​ Meryl Nass MD, Want the MMR to be safer and more efficacious? Give it to older children. The data are incontrovertible
    ​ “In 2-dose recipients, VE [vaccine efficacy] was greater with older age at first dose, from 93% at 12 months to 97.5% at 15 months. The risk of measles was 2 to 4 times greater when children were first vaccinated between 12 and 14 months versus 15 months. Older age at the second dose or longer interval between doses did not influence this observation.”​ https://merylnass.substack.com/p/want-the-mmr-to-be-safer-and-more

    ​Meryl Nass MD sets the stage with factual context: New agenda for CDC vaccine committee raises eyebrows/Pharma Letter with my educated comments https://merylnass.substack.com/p/new-agenda-for-cdc-vaccine-committee

    ​ A Midwestern Doctor makes the case against wearing sunglasses outside, amongst other things: Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Revolutionized Medicine
    Why Did it Disappear?​ https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/ultraviolet-blood-irradiation-revolutionized

    #190638
    John Day
    Participant

    excess deaths
    Oh, well. Good graph would not upload.

    #190639
    Noirette
    Participant

    to jbhb, in the last thread.

    Debt Rattle June 21 2025

    I have been trying to synthesize analysis of LGBT movement / prop for some time, have posted about it before.

    One angle:

    How A Handful Of Billionaires Created The Transgender “Movement” – Interview of Jennifer Bilek.

    https://jbilek.substack.com/p/how-a-handful-of-billionaires-created

    more info at her substack

    #190640
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    By the way everyone, in regard to the most current events (US directly bombing Iran with bunker-busters and cruise missiles) you know as well as I do that the initial phases of actions as big as this one are so fogged up with propaganda and misinformation from BOTH sides makes it VERY difficult to sort out fact from fiction.

    Nevertheless, and having said that, and perhaps this really is too soon to tell, but I’m picking up early indications that the U.S.A. and Israeli bombing has not done as much damage to Iran as Uncle Sam and Aunt Israel would like us all to believe.

    If that is the case (and I think that it IS the case) then we are now in a for a VERY long war of attrition a lot like the one in Ukraine except much much more spread out. It will end the same way, too. The West loses the Rest win.

    #190641
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    In further breaking news there is a big announcement to make. We have finally found PEACE

    It was easy. All we had to do was change our minds about what war is.

    By just changing our minds we now know that WAR IS PEACE!

    I would ask someone to go tell that good news to President Trump and all of his friends there in DC and Tel Aviv, except that it’s pretty obvious that he already knows, so no need to tell him. He’s too busy celebrating prematurely to be interrupted by reality at this time.

    #190642
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Not to worry since there is Professor DeeBee’s magic of Telling the Truth.
    Like this one from yesterday:

    Impeach Trump. Prosecute everyone who has committed treason through their collusion with the foreign state of Israel. Dissolve all dual American/Israeli citizenship arrangements and require those people to declare allegiance to one or the other, and deport those who choose Israel back to that land. Withdraw recognition of Israel as a nation. Leave Israel to the mercy of their many enemies.

    That should handle most of it, …blah…blah……

    So easy that pompous prick said it himself.
    Enjoy your reading of candy-like dispensed wisdom.

    #190643
    Topcat
    Participant

    Israeli anti missile THAAD

    A single THAAD missile is estimated to cost $12.6 million.

    According to Larry Johnson it takes between 10 and 12 to intercept a single Iranian ballistic missile

    (assuming it doesn’t separate into multiple re-entry vehicles like some do)

    10 X $12.6 million = $126,000,000 million per Iranian missile which cost an average of $200,000

    Do the numbers

    Your paying for it with all those DOGE ‘savings’.

    Haha

    Jokes on you

    While were at remedial math for Dummies

    Make America Graet Agian!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gt8gCgrXgAAd0lB?format=jpg&name=900×900

    #190644
    Topcat
    Participant

    #190645
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @Noirette

    The conflict proved to be a devastating experience

    That is one of the most poetically diplomatic and gentle euphemisms for the fact of devastating defeat that I have ever heard or read. It’s masterful use of the English language and that level of skill does not go unnoticed. I know that I sure did, and I can’t be alone in that.

    #190646
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.rt.com/news/620165-us-joins-iran-bombing/
    Iran reserves ‘all options’ after US attack: LIVE UPDATES
    Israeli strikes have killed at least 430 Iranians and injured more than 3,500 civilians so far, according to Iran’s Health Ministry. Israeli officials have reported 25 deaths and over 2,500 injuries.

    China’s Foreign Ministry has condemned the “US attacks on Iran and bombing of nuclear facilities under the safeguards of the IAEA,” characterizing it as a serious violation of the “principles of the UN Charter and international law.” Beijing argued that Washington’s latest actions have further “exacerbated tensions in the Middle East.”

    The ministry urged all parties involved in the conflict, “Israel in particular,” to “reach a ceasefire as soon as possible.”

    In the wake of the US bombardment of Iranian nuclear facilities, Russia, Chile, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Pakistan and Venezuela have issued similar condemnations of Washington’s attack.
    ———–

    https://english.almayadeen.net/shortnews

    LIVE UPDATES
    13:45 Russian Foreign Ministry: IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi must ensure that an objective report is presented at the special session of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
    ————`

    https://www.presstv.ir/Live

    LIVE UPDATES
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    #190647
    Topcat
    Participant

    When your low cost labor doesn’t read

    #190648
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @kultsommer

    So easy that pompous prick said it himself.
    Enjoy your reading of candy-like dispensed wisdom.

    I don’t dispense wisdom. I just write stuff down. If anyone else bothers to read it and then thinks that what I wrote was wise or enjoyable, well that’s just up to them, isn’t it?

    #190649
    Topcat
    Participant

    Media Hoes just gotta ho

    #190650
    Topcat
    Participant

    #190651
    Topcat
    Participant

    Media Psy-op Continues Unabated Against Sheeple

    #190652
    Topcat
    Participant

    Remedial Math Failure

    Make America Know How to Count

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