Debt Rattle May 3 2020
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Wyland Stanley Pedestrians ascending steep grade, San Francisco 1940 • The US Just Reported Its Deadliest Day For Coronavirus (CNBC) /span>
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 3 2020]Ilargi if you or anyone else could explain what the exit strategy is from a lockdown I’d be interested in hearing it. As it is, this lockdown I repeat is no different than financial QE – everyone comes out weaker than they were before treatment. Financial QE covers up her problem just like lockdown does, but makes it worse in the long run. The only exit strategy I can see is to keep lockdown until a vaccine or effective treatment, neither of which are on the horizon. If you are arguing that even healthy economies can survive indefinite closure, with intermittent re-openings I don’t know what to tell you. The suggestion is made that Sweden has a huge vested interest in understating fatalities. It is also certainly true that the rest of the world has an even greater vested interest in criticizing the Swedish approach because it demonstrates how useless the total lockdowns are. BTW the reported differences in fatalities between Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia are not statistically significant. Playing with numbers and not understanding how things may not be as they seem.
Great feed today Raul. Really interesting articles. Yeah the lockdown is strict and crazy but there are just so many complicating factors. I personally think societies can take more of a hit yet. Food is the main issue. We have to stay on top of that but there are so many products and services in modern society that are unnecessary – from too many flight attendants to 3 d animators to app developers. The fat needed to be trimmed and now well it is getting trimmed. People’s jobs need to work within the limits of what the limited planet can handle and endless tourist holidays and sneakers are surplus to the needs. Parts of the economy can just die as far as I am concerned just like how parts of the biosphere can just die as far as sneaker manufacturers are concerned. But hey I must be an eco-fascist deep down.
As for the last two comments, one would hope that people use their lockdown time to think about exactly those questions: what are the good things we can take away from this. But before you say: fewer cars, less pollution, do realize that those are the things that keep our economies afloat. And all those birds I hear singing all the time all of a sudden do not.
http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/05/simplification.html
High levels of complexity are energetically expensive to maintain. We have entered the era of declining energy-per-capital of all kinds. Where ya gonna live?
Going forward, the cities themselves are likely to be starved for tax revenue and federal grants to maintain their infrastructures and social safety nets, and possibly to maintain civil order. The net result will be a steep loss of quality in city life. Surely a percentage of city people will be looking for someplace else to live.
They may fantasize about moving to “the country,” but in the post Covid-19 reality, that could prove problematic. Country life without the automobile is a very different proposition than what many have in mind, unless it has something to with farming. As a general proposition, we’re going to see the return of a sharp distinction between urban and rural, and the lifestyles that are suited to them.
Since suburbia is a dead loss, that leaves the small towns and small cities. These are the places that suffered the worst disinvestment in recent decades. Now things have changed. These places have two big advantages over the big cities and the burbs: 1) many have a meaningful relationship to farming (i.e. food), and 2) they are already scaled to the smaller resource and capital realities that we’re facing.What to eat and not to eat: Short version:
Avoid snack foods, heavy meats and processed carbohydrates. (What?)
Eat fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, whole grains and (non-farmed) fish, with monounsaturated oils.
Long version and reasons why in this scientific article.
You’ll come through your upcoming coronavirus infection if this has been your diet.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5831951/These countries are not America. The average vitamin-D level for Americans, in my experience, is around 20.
Study compared average vitamin D levels in a country with coronavirus mortality
Found a link showing low vitamin D levels are associated with a higher death rate
Researchers ‘believe they can advise vitamin D supplementation’ to protect against the coronavirus
Pictured, a correlation graph showing the relationship between levels of viamin D (bottom, measured in nmol/l) and compared to infection numbers of coronavirus for 20 European countries. It reveals a convincing correlation where countries with low vitamin D levels were also the countries with highest COVID-19 infection rates
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8277775/People-low-levels-Vitamin-D-likely-die-COVID-19-infection.htmlWhy does this make me think of the US government wasting 2 months of warning, producing faulty tests, outlawing any other tests, then condemning hydroxychloroquine use and forbidding doctors to prescribe it in some states?
A leaked dossier compiled by Western intelligence agencies concludes that China lied and deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence during the crucial early days of the COVID-19 outbreak, and notes that Chinese researchers have been experimenting with – and creating – deadly bat coronaviruses…
A key theme of the dossier is that China’s negligence and lies resulted in the “endangerment of other countries,” as the CCP silenced or ‘disappeared’ doctors who spoke out.
Doctors who bravely spoke out about the new virus were detained and condemned. Their detentions were splashed across the Chinese-state media with a call from Wuhan Police for “all citizens to not fabricate rumours, not spread rumours, not believe rumours.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/key-findings-leaked-government-dossier-china-bat-virus-programThe status of Taiwan remains in play, but like Tyson chicken-processors, the people don’t matter.
The people of Taiwan have nothing to say about whether or not they will be ruled by the Chinese Communist Party elites, NONE.
Taiwanese people are not more special than Tibetans or Uyghurs (or Palestinians, or Native Americans).
Re-education awaits.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-doesnt-own-un-furious-beijing-slams-un-missions-taiwan-tweets-politicalUS Embassy: Israeli West Bank Annexation Can Move Forward Without A Palestinian State
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-embassy-israeli-west-bank-annexation-can-move-forward-without-palestinian-stateBack to work processing chicken carcasses, Guys and Gals!
Nearly 900 workers at Tyson meat plant in Indiana test positive for coronavirus
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/495564-nearly-900-workers-at-tyson-meat-plant-in-indiana-test-positive-for-coronavirusUnpatriotic sick people? One step above dead chickens? No assembly line distancing? Blame or fix?
Waterloo Tyson plant to remain closed despite President Executive Order to open
Black Hawk County had its first coronavirus case on March 18th and since then the number of cases has grown to more than 1,300.
Tyson employees said the company didn’t do enough to protect, County leaders addressed the executive order Thursday. The doors to the Tyson Waterloo plant are closed as leaders attribute a large number of cases stemming from working closely with others.
“We can say that 90% of the cases have been attributed or related to the Tyson plant,” said Black Hawk County Public Health Director Nafissa Cisse. I think the thing to keep in mind is that it might not be a direct Tyson case contact but it might be somebody a second exposure.”
Cisse Egbuonye says the number of cases Thursday was nearly 1,400.
“These numbers that I’m sharing with you all are people who are loved and people, who have names, they have families and stories,” she said.
It’s a jump that Sheriff Tony Thompson said now threatens the most vulnerable of people in the county.
“Our fight today has changed and it’s changed dramatically simply because the initial line of defense has changed,” said Sheriff Thompson. “It has migrated because we lost our first line of defense out there in the community. We have a huge hole blown in that first line of defense and it’s frustrating because it put at greater risk all of our citizens and Blackhawk County.”
https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Waterloo-Tyson-plant-to-remain-closed-despite-President–570102481.htmlFrench Coronavirus Strain Did Not Come From China Or Italy (SCMP)
it was here (and only here) that i read of the two(?) airplane passengers FROM france testing positive in january(?). it sure changes things if the outbreak in france arose independently. for one, it’ll be much harder to blame china for the ‘wuhan flu’.
This is going to lead to real life battles.
that seems like the plan. civil war will serve nicely to distract from the government’s many failings. the setup for this started long before covid19 arrived.
In my opinion
There will no longer be a “grand tour” for the rifraf.
( The Grand Tour was a period of foreign travel commonly undertaken by gentlemen to finish off their education. It was popular from the mid-17th century until the end of the 18th century when the outbreak of the Napoleonic Wars stopped most foreign travel.)
What we have, was always going to happen.
Therefore, there’s nothing left for me to do but to watch my preparations play out.SWEDEN
The argument about Sweden is false.
If for every 200 infections one person dies then it does not matter over what period it happens.
A lockdown can seem to lower the death rate by SLOWING the rate of infection but does not prevent the infections happening eventually. If Sweden has three times the number of infections it will have three times the number of deaths. For surrounding countries those deaths will go on longer.
The virus is not going away and at some point you WILL be exposed to it. Having a miserable life while trying to delay the inevitable is one option, but quality of life becomes an issue.
New York City [ 1 in 200 ]
NYC shows 19.9% of population with antibodies.
Population 18.8 million, deaths 18,900. Say 1 death per thousand population, ~20% infection rate so 1 death for every 200 people infected – 0.5%
ALSO 19.9% of 18.8 million gives 3.74 million people infected JUST in NYC!
“herd immunity”?
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/saudi-officials-say-whopping-70-meccas-population-likely-infected-covid-19Saudi Officials Say Whopping 70% Of Mecca’s Population Likely Infected With COVID-19
According to three senior Saudi medical sources, nearly 70 percent of Mecca’s more than two million residents are estimated to be carriers of the virus, according to recent random testing conducted in the holy city.
Saudi Arabia has so far recorded 21,402 cases and 157 deaths from Covid-19. These are the highest numbers in the six-member Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).
“The actual spread of the disease could be three to four times higher than the declared one,” an anonymous medical official was quoted as saying in the report. “Saudi health authorities expect the peak to be sometime in June.”A month ago the kingdom tightened restrictions further in key cities, including the imposition of a strict 24-hour curfew on the pilgrimage cities of Mecca and Medina. This after a country-wide lockdown was issued starting March 25.
Since then hospitals have reportedly become “overwhelmed” according to several international reports.
The alarming report also comes on the heels of recent New York Times reporting which said some 150 members of the royal family are being treated for COVID-19 at elite units of regional hospitals set up for that purpose.
But this week Prince Turki bin Faisal al-Saud, a Saudi royal and former intelligence chief, downplayed the NYT report in the Saudi newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat.“The truth is that only less than 20 members of the al-Saud family have been infected, and the hospital has not been allocated for them. The hospital treats all citizens and residents,” Prince Turki wrote.
Nobody tells lies
@john day
Avoid snack foods, heavy meats
my quick read of that study is that it is overcooked or charred meat which should be avoided.
you’ve probably seen this, but just in case: Reduction of Red and Processed Meat Intake and Cancer Mortality and IncidenceThe possible absolute effects of red and processed meat consumption on cancer mortality and incidence are very small, and the certainty of evidence is low to very low.
also regarding using mice to divine human health results: Using the mouse to model human disease: increasing validity and reproducibility
Experiments that use the mouse as a model for disease have recently come under scrutiny because of the repeated failure of data, particularly derived from preclinical studies, to be replicated or translated to humans.
re: cities – another key issue is hundred-plus year old water delivery systems. these cannot be replaced or maintained (properly) unless every free dollar in the city’s budget is applied to the task.
ps: i’d love to comment at your blog, but not enough that i will create a google id.
Back to work processing chicken carcasses, Guys and Gals! – John Day
____________… and the cattle, too! In High River, Alberta. Oh, … about 4500 heads per day. Yes. Something about all those meet plants…
Union launches legal action to block reopening of Cargill meat processing plant in High River
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/union-launches-legal-action-to-block-reopening-of-cargill-meat-processing-plant-in-high-river-1.4921348CALGARY — The union representing workers at the Cargill meat processing plant in High River, Alta. is taking legal action to stop it from being reopened on Monday.
Nearly half of the 2,000 employees at the plant have tested positive for COVID-19, forcing the operation to be idled just under two weeks ago.
On Wednesday, the company announced plans to resume operations on May 4.
Background on High River Cargill Plant – dated article
What led to Alberta’s biggest outbreak? Cargill meat plant’s hundreds of COVID-19 cases
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/cargill-alberta-covid-19-deena-hinshaw-1.5537377Best,
F.S.
Testing positive vs getting sick;
Getting sick vs becoming severely ill;
Severely ill vs hospitalization—> death.[from the NYT, 3 May]: “Research coming out of China indicates the false-negative rate [of tests] may be around 30%. …experts in laboratory medicine express concerns the false-negative rate in [the US] could be even higher.”
I just don’t get the tests at all. (NOT FOR DIAGNOSIS, as the package states.) If they were accurate, that would be one thing, but this coronavirus seems to be one born of an imperfect test. False positives/false negatives…
The real disease of concern has a clinical presentation: hypoxemia resulting in organ damage.
It is a rare and very deadly disease. It is said to be caused by SARS-CoV-2.
I am not convinced.I am having a very hard time with the biden trump choice so I spent some time looking at the green and libertarian party and found a couple interesting canidates. Jesse Ventura said he would run for the green party and that would make an interesting debate. then I found Vermin Supreme libertarian and said to myself hell he couldnt be any worse than the others so why not. At the end of the day I may be writing in Gabbard.
As for the last two comments, one would hope that people use their lockdown time to think about exactly those questions: what are the good things we can take away from this. But before you say: fewer cars, less pollution, do realize that those are the things that keep our economies afloat. And all those birds I hear singing all the time all of a sudden do not.
the economic model we had was not sustainable. One of the things I was going to say in my earlier post was that we could build things better. The concept of built in obsolescence should be stopped. I actually sat in meeting where people brainstormed ways to make a product last one month past the warranty period. I have a 1956 farmall tractor that runs almost as good at it did 63 years ago. In that 63 years we have made advancements and we have whiz bang cell phones but think about the 63 years before that tractor was built. I know I will take heat but the green Idea and putting people to work on projects that make sense for both the advancement of society and mother nature make sense. local small family farms, transportation that makes sense – electric – fuel cell – automated. and stop making junk that has to be replaced in a short time.
We have to value more than money.@ Kimyo99
Thanks for wanting to post on my blog. I sent out a bcc newsmail since 2006 or so, but in the 2016 primary season my sends were all getting blocked, no matter how compliant I was, likely because of Russian-influenced-content.
Red meat seared on a barbecue grill seems to be more carcinogenic for breast, colon and prostate cancers. I live in Texas. “Heavy meat” in BBQ brisket and chicken-fried-steak, but just grilling a 16 ounce steak is also on that list.
Disclosure: I raised a little girl calf from a dairy farm, winter of 1972-1973, for a required 9th grade agriculture class project. “January” was really a pitiful, lonely and suffering creature, and I was a 14 year old boy compelled to bottle feed her in her lonely shed and pen, and force tetracycline down her throat when she got sick. I pretty much stopped eating cows and other mammals after that.
Since 2001 I don’t eat any critters at all, which was a lot harder, and my body gained weight from eating more cheese and low-protein foods. High protein meals reduce appetite.
Thanks for looking at my output folks. I am trying to discern and present useful information.
The most useful approach to the current viral pandemic, with worse strains in some places appearing with no connection to any known strain, but “not possibly derived from a lab by our models”, is to take vitamin-D, eat vegetables, socially distance, test early and treat if you cross the threshold from mild to moderate illness, with fever and symptoms of lungs, gut, or other organs.
Treatment is easy as an outpatient, except zinc is hard to find. Maybe somebody you know has some.
My 400 tablets took 5-6 weeks to arrive, but now I have them to share out to patients or staff at my clinic who need treatment.
Hydroxychloroquine is in stock, because my clinic bought some in early March (my rec.).
Azithromycin has not disappeared.
Austin has not gotten hit hard yet, and all the patients I have diagnosed so far have had relatively mild illness, or got better before test results came back positive. I think Austin has mostly a milder strain.
The key to those 39 nursing home patients NOT DYING was early testing of everybody when a few got sick, followed by treatment of all who consented, and those did well.
There are some news stories that presented that action as medically experimenting on people, some of whom “might not have consented”. Dying horribly is obviously preferable.
@Figmund Sreud : “One step above dead chickens”The graphs above are truly frightening. The FT graph demolishes the February meme that Asians are more susceptible to coronavirus. It is the opposite, 80% of the deaths are in North America and Europe. The graphs for nineteen US states including Maryland where I live, show that new cases are climbing. The disorderly reopening of shops, salons, restaurants and schools is the exact wrong response to the pandemic. It will only increase the number of infections, hospitalizations and deaths. The deaths aren’t geographical. They exploded in Europe and North America. It isn’t racial. But the deaths are the direct result of one’s economic class and if the nation was a member of the now defunct post-WWII free trade Western Empire. USA, Canada, Spain, Italy and the UK comprise 60% of the deaths. All are failed states killed by greed, incompetence and corruption.
The last time I went grocery shopping was exactly two months ago. I recognized the coming pandemic but didn’t comprehend the cognitive dissonance of watching a disaster happening in real time but the government, corporations and the establishment doing all the wrong things making a crash inevitable. They are all betting on a huge monetary jackpot when Big Pharma discovers the treatment or vaccine that reopens the world and globalists can restart their exploitation the environment and people.
The only proven way to successfully combat the Wuhan Coronavirus is by good old fashion public health techniques of testing, tracking and isolating the infected as shown by the manageable red line for Asia next to bottom on the FT graph. The Western Elite are simply unwilling to hire government workers, to establish universal testing, tracking, and provide safe quarantine sites. With hundreds of thousands of dead, lost income, and starvation; unrest is certain. Like in the trenches of WWI, it is only time before healthcare and essential workers mutiny. Only the restoration of democracy and a functional public health system can avoid millions of deaths. Yet, the lure of the jackpot under the rainbow, the wish to return to jet setting across the globe, and greed will keep the Western rulers from doing the right necessary thing.
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The only proven way to successfully combat the Wuhan Coronavirus is by good old fashion public health techniques of testing, tracking and isolating the infected as shown by the manageable red line for Asia next to bottom on the FT graph.Asia is indeed doing far better than U.S. & Europe.
Yesterday we only recorded 3 new cases (Thailand) and no deaths.
Healthcare here is stellar with all treatment for CV-19 paid for by the government; including treatment by private hospitals.
Total cases are just at 3,000; pretty good for a country of 63 million people.
In particular, the U.S. seems to fuck up everything it touches and the CV-19 is out of control. Just when isolation is critical; its citizens are acting with extreme irresponsibility by flocking together in the tens of thousands.
Part of me can sympathise because they have been lied to, constantly, for decades; government has lost all credibility. The result is complete loss of willful critical thinking and the consequent results are catastrophic for its society.
May the gods help those innocents; and unleash the furies against the rest…I did not send this summary of coronavirus recommendations before, but this link has not been censored yet, so I’m sending it. It is concise, but takes 3.5 minutes, which is worth it, if you have the time, unless it’s not worth it.
You might feel like sharing this video clip with somebody, unless you don’t in which case you should start drinking at 10:00 AM every day. You’ll get it. Just take a peek. Nothing new, but good summary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVs5AyjzwRMDr. John
Brilliant! Sums it all up in 3-1/2 minutes…
Everything is as clear as mud…..
Thanks a bunch…A question for Dr. John:
The very earliest chloroquine data I remember reading about was the use of chloroquine phosphate. But now for weeks we have heard about hydroxychloroquine. During one of the Chris Martenson videos I think I recall him mentioning (though I am paraphrasing based on what I thought I heard) that these are really the same active ingredient. But is that correct? Is there any reason to expect a different outcome between the two?
Thanks!
Okay let’s change strategy. We need to keep everyone safe. No exceptions. That means closing down meat processing facilities – NOW. I don’t want to hear any complaints about lack of food – why should these workers be exposed while the rest of us get to stay safely in lockdown? Same for grocery store workers – a big “thank you” to those on the “front line” just doesn’t cut it. Shut down the grocery stores. No drive thru good either because you know those workers have to make contact with customers. Not fair to treat these people as expendable just so that the rest if us can eat. Everyone will need to just grow their own food. By themselves, in lockdown, in their apartment, indefinitely. Now there’s a solution. Stay safe, wear a mask while you grow your food.
sumac, good to see that you are finally coming around, though it must have been a difficult and painful realization. It would not need to be this way if the US had a functional health care system that wasn’t hell-bent on bankrupting everyone. But as long as the aim of the system is to extract all of the wealth out of the little people, we need a system that puts staying healthy at the very top of the priority list. If people could go to the doctor without fear of insolvency, then we could afford a system that gave people more freedom and spread around the risks, like in Sweden. But from a US perspective, that’s socialism, and that is something to be opposed at all costs.
CDC:
Please tell me what column 5 says.
@Boogaloo
Hydroxychloroquine is a little less toxic than chloroquine hosphate for the same amount that gets into yout bloodstream.
Chloroquine(s) have a “narrow therapeutic window”, which is how the fish-tank-chloroquine guy died. He took too much. Twice the (upper) therapeutic dose might be fatal. Three times that dose, if taken daily, probably will kill.
Plain quinine was worse, but it did treat malaria. Chloroquines are an improvement, but we are used to safer medicines these days, not having to be so careful with dose and side effects. That was common in the old days. I got chloroquine phosphate in late February, but after the data came out on hydroxychloroquine being a hair better, I prescribed that to all others after early March. This is prescriptions to hold. Nobody I know or treat has been sick enough yet to require treatment (as I see it, but they treated ALL positives in the nursing home, a very high risk population)Boogaloo you apparently missed my sarcasm!!!!!
What is scarier for me than this virus is the incredible public acceptance of what I, and many others, consider to be a massive over-response.
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