October 11, 2023 at 8:47 am #144581Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Pablo Picasso Self portrait 1972 • US Support for Israel May Set Off Total Middle East Upheaval – Ex-Envoy (Sp.) • The War Has Started (Illaik)
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 11 2023]October 11, 2023 at 10:57 am #144582
Felony Assaults Against Women in New York Up 41% Over the Last Four Years”
Of course they mean NY CITY. Like Chicago, a lot of the state is rural and allows Concealed Carry (with huge paperwork). So if they tried this in the mountains across the border from PA they’d still stand a good chance of being shot.
The interesting thing, and you know how I’d like to debunk this is, the stats appear to be right. Assaults are up against men, but up against women multiples higher. Is that because the NYC Subway system demonstrated you’ll be arrested if you try to protect and help anybody? That is, they’ve sidelined all the men?
Israel tells everyone to leave Gaza (as I said, to WHERE?) and THEN BOMBS THE ONLY EXIT.
Like, at what point do we just call this a Warsaw Ghetto genocide? And yes, psychologically, this sort of projection and imitation IS very common with humans. But you have CHOICES. You can see, “Hey, I seem to be becoming the monster I was fighting. Maybe better do something about it.” I mean LITERALLY, that they are animals. LITERALLY that they are non-human. LITERALLY that they are justified in locking the exits, shutting off the food, AND THINKING NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN. Wha?
So anyway, here’s a Jewish guy, son of two concentration camp parents, who took this up in grade school realizing the similarities. And after 40 years in 2020 even HE gave up on anything ever happening to relieve their illegal, racist, genocidal suffering. I mean, for example, most of the people fighting WERE BORN IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMP. All they did was exist. (Frankelstein, on Jimmy Dore as noted yesterday)
His view is like my view. They said “Do this,” behave like a state, so they did. “Do that.” Hamas was created by Mossad, so they did that. “Stop being violent.” So they did that. “Attack so they’ll at least remember you.” So they did that. “You should non-violent and be like Ghandi” so they did that. ….Aaaaaaaaand 40 years passes, the world don’t care. The UN censured them a lot, where’s the “Desert Storm” to “Liberate” a “Dictator oppressing the people”? Hahahaha, surely you jest, sir.
So his single statement after giving up? Back in 2020? “What did you expect them to do?” That’s it.
“What did you EXPECT them to do?”
They were BORN IN PRISON. Thanks to YOU. What sort of behavior did you EXPECT to discover? You put up the walls and shut off the food. When they tried that peaceful protest in 2018 military snipers shot them in wheelchairs by the dozens. “What did you expect them to do?”
So I’m beyond it now. Don’t care. You’re like “Why is water wet? Stop being wet, sir, stop.”
And why? Well, let’s note that MY COUNTRY DOES THE SAME THING. Worldwide. And like the farmers in the Kubbutz, I can’t stop my government either. But unlike many, I realize it and act within my sphere.
That said, I’d like to add that Gaza has a border with Egypt as well. Jordan refuses to accept Palestinians, with Saudi, UAE, Iran. This is never mentioned, keeping the spotlight on Israel.
Also this is working wonders. Everyone, even myself, is ignoring Ukraine. Why? To me it’s settled, the West themselves had signaled they are ceding Kiev. I’ll just check in as it goes, although that may be a mistake.
Btw, everyone’s covered it I’m sure but there’s no “Nobody knewd”. The UN report last year said Gaza is a powder keg ready to explode. That’s just the very high level ones. Egypt, which I’m sure has no great love in warning Israel, especially in detail, told them last week.
If you help, encourage, create, allow an attack on your own country – and as the top leader – wouldn’t that be treason? You are attacking your own country. The End. Don’t make it complicated: you can’t do that.
“[General-shaped object Milley] in fairy land if he believes we are going to double this defense budget for a future war with Russia.”
Your money means nothing to me. We just derailed a train full of military equipment because Biden is union-busting and refusing to hire rail repairmen. With record profits and dividends. ALL our military production runs on it, including ammunition that is sourced in three districts. You can have a million quadrillion dollars in a bank in NY, and nothing will move anywhere in the country.
Plus side: no inflation!
WHY does this work for them? Money is a “Signal”. It’s all “signaling.” Lost in ego, they believe the map is the territory if something is thought in their mind, it becomes real.
Really. Because I can’t even follow what that sentence is supposed to say anymore. “The enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy is…” How about this: NO MATTER WHO we’re talking about, we’ve FUNDED THEM ALL. Egypt? Funded. Israel? Funded. Iran? Funded. Hamas/Palestine? Funded. Iraq? Funded. Saudi? Funded. Jordan? Funded.
So EVERY side is ALWAYS armed and funded BY US. Seriously? Like WTF? Can I get my money back?
There’s a Stewart Daily Show bit on this, like 2008, but I spent two days looking for it and it’s purged.
““Hamas apparently knew how to get around Israel’s Iron Dome defenses.”
Or you could go a lot easier: Iron Dome doesn’t work and never did. It also doesn’t work on small targets. It also can be easily overwhelmed. It’s just a machine, not a magic spell from God.
“Rabbi Elhanan Beck:”
Liminalism. Erasing of all words, meanings, and boundaries. Because once people hear the word “Jew” their brains shut off. Okay, WHO did this? How about “Europeans”? Generally speaking, Eastern Europeans, as supported by Britain and their idiot-slave, the United States.
A territory next to Africa. Why say this? THERE WERE JEWS ALREADY IN PALESTINE. There weren’t really any problems. Just like Jews in Iran, or Syria, etc now. Only when EUROPEANS were imported with EUROPEAN COLONIAL mindset did the exact same thing happened that happened in South Africa and the Belgian Congo.
Next, WHICH ones? Clearly a huge number AREN’T JEWISH. They’re atheists. They’re just Russians, Poles, who wanted to live somewhere else. What about the others? Half of those aren’t Jewish either: they’re KABBALISTS. That is, anti-Torah, pro-Babylon magic.
“a society of deep atheism, materialism and legalization of all kinds of perversions, which has long since abandoned traditional theology and values (and orientations), cannot be considered either Christian or Jewish.”
So you’ve got 5 levels of “Both Jewish” and “Not Jewish”. They are all things, and their opposite. The word means 5 extremely different, conflicting things all at once. Back to the core problem, what about the Jews that ACTUALLY lived in Palestine, the children of those who are ACTUALLY Semitic and not Eastern European? …So then those poor saps are as caught up in all of this, in the European Colonization Project, as everybody else. And they get painted with the same brush as the rainbow-gay atheist Jews, the Kabbalistic anti-rabbi Jews, and the Colonial, racist, zionist Jews.
Please use words with meanings if you’re going to use them. One word isn’t allowed to mean EVERYTHING. Or your logic will make no sense and your actions will make no order. WHO is this? Who EXACTLY?
We would ask the same thing, right? I don’t want to be shot because I’m an “American” so therefore I killed 6M in the last 20 years when I’ve been fighting it ragged every day of my life.
Anyway, so here’s a Rabbi that has a view of many Rabbis here in the ‘States. Unfortunately they are divided on the issue and the media will only report that one side exists. …Like always. But note I can point to a dozen Rabbis who aren’t Zionists and are opposed to Israeli behavior.
“Pepe Escobar: “Israel bombed to smithereens St. Porphyrius Orthodox Church in Gaza: built 1,616 years ago, the third oldest church in the world.”
Among these bad boys, the bad seeds hate Christians just as much. They are happy knock out and oppress Christians. If they want to, fine, it’s their country, but don’t expect me to lie or apologize for it. I’m not going to fund you to hate me.
“Palestinian resistance forces were taken by surprise at the laxity of the occupation army.”
That seems extremely likely with a racist tranny army.
Ze: They are now saying “Whatever the West does isn’t good enough, the ingrate.” What? YOU TOLD HIM to kill his entire nation by attacking Russia which we ALL KNEW was suicidal, and EVERY EU and American leader said Ukrainians aren’t humans, they’re merely cannon fodder we’re using to hurt Russia. So when he asks for weapons and help for the war YOU STARTED, YOU COMMANDED, HE is being the ingrate?
As said above, “What do you expect him to do?” NOT ask for weapons that will save his country and his life? A: We don’t care. Bored already! Don’t care. The violent, retarded trust-fund kid that is America (And Europe) wandered off. Whaaaaaaah! Whaaaaaaaambulance! Stop hurting my feelings by trying to save your country! You meanie. That’s Violence to make me have bad feelz. Pew Pew we shoots you.
Crayzee as crayzee can be. And here I am in the belly of it.
“Washington Moving ‘Illegal’ Bioresearch Operations to Africa – Moscow (RT)
Absolutely. They need some
killin’Freedom. Question: since these are so awesome and loving and safe, why don’t we have them here, doing live bio-testing on Americans? But only on non-humans in Slavia and Africa?
“EU warning that the bloc would take action against site owner Elon Musk if he allowed “terrorist content” to circulate on his platform.”
They mean BLM and our Congressmen supporting Hamas shooting night clubs, right?
(sorry, but the “terrorist” objection for state actors is more murky)
Say, if Musk removes all this, isn’t he a “Publisher” not a “Platform” and lose his Section 230? Discuss? Don’t care. Bored already. Whaaaaaaahhh.
“Breton declined to cite any particular cases of misinformation, instead stating that Musk is “well aware”
I swear there is no other play in the playbook anymore. Trump is guilty. “Of what?” Crickets. Stuff. Maga are terrorists. “Really? What terrorist events do you mean?” Crickets. Stuff. “We all know.”
The mere EXISTENCE of ANY detail now is enough to support a thing as true or false. Like, any facts whatsoever.
“The US Is on the Verge of Becoming a Tyranny (Paul Craig Roberts)
Hmm, I suppose that is correct. It would only BE a tyranny when we stop fighting. It’s pretty rough here as you all know. It’s only when we stop believing and trying in our MINDS and hearts that we can lose.
“So how do we win?” Washington asks Hamilton. “By not Losing.” Hamilton tells Washington.
“Alex, listen, there’s only one way for us to win this
Provoke outrage, Outright
Don’t engage, strike by night
Remain relentless ’til their troops take flight
Make it impossible to justify the cost of the fight
Hit ’em quick, get out fast
Stay alive ’til this horror show is past”October 11, 2023 at 11:29 am #144583oxymoronParticipant
Knocking it out of the park tonight Herr Docktor. Bravo.
I feel an inward turning. So much to NOT want for me now in this world. Sure the sweet face of my 5 year old son Willy and the crazed physical enthusiastic lunacy of my teen boy too. The need to hang on lessens and I feel sorry for all our madness and crazed and vain hopes.
Not depressed just… I dunno resigned
Everyone is so childish and unpredictable.
Ego I guess but I keep coming back to this one, cherished idea –
Nothing real can be threatened
Nothing unreal exists
Herein lies the peace of God.October 11, 2023 at 11:35 am #144584oxymoronParticipant
Here is every US politician in Congress who currently holds stock positions that directly benefit from war in the Middle East:
Zoe LofgrenOctober 11, 2023 at 11:48 am #144585
“The Bond Market Has Collapsed, Michael Pento Explains What’s Coming Up Next”(7 days ago)
“…And then a miracle happened…”October 11, 2023 at 12:31 pm #144586adrian144Participant
St. Porphyrius Orthodox Church apparently not bombed at this time:
https://greekreporter.com/2023/10/10/ancient-orthodox-church-st-porphyrios-gaza-not-bombed/October 11, 2023 at 1:18 pm #144587
America is a neutral peace broker
1. House Republicans speeded up efforts to elect a new House speaker.
2. The White House has reportedly decided to capitalize on the momentum and pair urgent funds to Tel Aviv with a Ukraine military package.
3.Biden said/warned the middle east, “DON’T YOU DARE!”
(don’t you dare to throw me in the briar patch)
4.The Pentagon has meanwhile warned both Iran and Hezbollah against jumping into the conflict.
5. “US MAY DEPLOY A SECOND AIRCRAFT CARRIER NEAR ISRAEL: WSJ”
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Tesla Building A “Bunkerlike” Structure In Texas To House Its “Dojo” Supercomputer
They are starting to use self-designed chips, also.October 11, 2023 at 1:22 pm #144589
“Your Position Is Clear” – Musk Slams Terrorist-Supporting BLM Posts
At least two Black Lives Matters (BLM) groups have made statements on X, formerly known as Twitter, supporting Hamas – the terrorist group responsible for the deaths of over 1,200 Israelis (including women and babies).
The first BLM group (@blmgrassroots) issued a lengthy statement proclaiming, among other things, that “when a people has been subject to decades of apartheid and unimaginable violence, their resistance must not be condemned but understood as a desperate act of self-defense.” The statement did not include any criticism of Hamas or its tactics.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/your-position-clear-musk-slams-terrorist-supporting-blm-postsOctober 11, 2023 at 2:29 pm #144590riestermParticipant
Ahh, Oxy . . . A Course in Miracles . . . and words to live by . . . thanks for sharing.October 11, 2023 at 2:49 pm #144591
Definition of Freedom in our democracy
If you don’t agree with the official/gov. position, then that will be called/identified,
” online hate and misinformation/disinformation” and there will be consequences.October 11, 2023 at 3:29 pm #144592those darned kidsParticipant
at my usually well-stocked “natural food” store they have no nattokinase, nor does their supplier because of increased demand.
any thoughts as to why?
hmmmm…October 11, 2023 at 3:41 pm #144593
Knowledge spread easily
In Ukraine, I have seen drones drop explosive on tanks.
I expect to see explosive dropped on the tanks surrounding Gaza.October 11, 2023 at 3:57 pm #144594phoenixvoiceParticipant
Religious texts *is* a part of the problem with Israel and Palestinians. The problem is not simply that Israelis today are atheists, godless, and lovers of money and the values of “Babylon.” Jewry doesn’t have the New Testament with all of the “love your neighbor” stuff. Even many religious Jews look at prophesies in the Torah and the history of Jericho and Joshua, and believe not in the principles of Western Enlightenment, but rather the principles of ancient nomadic tribes who had no qualms about “total destruction” of the people already living in the territory that God had decreed was to become their own. Instead of looking at the Holocaust as an example of “what not to do” to anyone, these Jews see themselves as “the chosen people,” and better than the rest of the humans on the planet. These Jews don’t want mass murder done to Jews, but don’t care if it happens to another people, to “the unchosen.” I don’t say this because of any grudge or prejudice that I have against Jewish people, nor because of any personal experience that I have with Jews who share this belief; I say it because my spouse was raised an Orthodox Jew and, according to him, this *was* the belief system that was widely shared by Jewish community he grew up in. He lived in Queens, and his family frowned on him playing with the black children in the neighborhood. His father taught in the public schools, but he and his siblings were sent to private Jewish schools. He has rejected most of the culture of his upbringing, and retained primarily the “Judeochristian values” underpinning it all.
Religiously, this conflict is a mess. I think it foolish to frame the problem from a New Testament and/or Enlightenment perspective, or even as some sort of intergenerational “Stockholm Syndrome” reaction to The Holocaust. Some rabbis (like the one in the video near the top of this page) preach against mistreating the Palestinians. Some Jews look to the first time the Hebrew people entered Palestine, raining death and destruction upon the then inhabitants, murdering them so that their children could not intermarry with the prior inhabitants in the future, and use these texts to justify a present-day Apartheid (or worse) regime.October 11, 2023 at 4:30 pm #144595D Benton SmithParticipant
When I was a very young child and made grotesque faces to express my disapproving attitude toward various things my other would say, “Better be careful! Your face might freeze and you’ll look like that forever.”
Klaus Schwab should have listed to his mother.October 11, 2023 at 5:16 pm #144596
Concerted Resistance https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/concerted-resistance
The War Has Started
West Asia may be headed toward a large-scale war that will extend well beyond the Gaza Strip and southern Israel, now mired in violent conflict…
..Hamas did not coordinate its military operation with any of its Resistance Axis allies. It also did not plan to achieve the stunning results that were soon to follow. The Qassam Brigades’ immediate goal was only to destroy Israeli army positions around the Gaza Strip and capture as many soldiers as possible, which they could later exchange for the thousands of Palestinian captives in Israeli prisons.
But the Palestinian resistance forces were taken by surprise at the laxity of the occupation army. Contrary to expectations, they stumbled upon security vacuums and poorly guarded military sites in which a large number of enemy soldiers and officers were fast asleep. It was this unexpected opportunity that prodded the Palestinian fighters to reach for bigger gains.
Hamas’ military leadership planned to carry out this operation in complete secrecy. Just weeks earlier, their fighters had conducted military maneuvers/exercises that were observed by the Israelis. But Tel Aviv’s rather complacent intelligence assessment had been that “Hamas is training for what it does not dare to do.” The Israelis, in short, thought that Hamas was merely flexing in order to gain financial concessions for Gaza. No actual operation was ever expected by Israel’s military brass…
..The veil of secrecy over the operation also extended to the Hamas fighters who carried out the attack. Sources close to Hamas say that their cadres believed, until the morning of the operation, that they were assembling for a training exercise, not for the real thing.
Very few knew details of the comprehensive attack plan. Even Hamas’ allies in Lebanon and Iran learned of the operation at zero o’clock and not a moment before, according to well-informed sources in the Resistance Axis.
Even for this axis, the Hamas operation went beyond all possible expectations. Although true that many of the Hamas tactics employed are shared among the Axis’ fighters in Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, and Yemen, the innovation in the Al-Aqsa Flood operation was the signature of the Al-Qassam Brigades, and particularly its brilliant leader Muhammad Deif.
The operation was coordinated with remarkable professionalism: accurate and detailed intelligence was amassed, high-level training exercises organized, secrecy was paramount, and superior coordination was established between the myriad drones, paratroopers, and vast majority of Hamas fighters who crossed into the occupation state, through tunnels and above ground.
Al Qassam also planned to target Israeli communications towers and all military sites surrounding Gaza. From a military perspective, this was a near-perfect operation that led to the destruction of all the facilities of the Israeli army’s “Gaza Division” and the annihilation of entire Israeli brigades. For Israel, this was a total humiliation – something it had never experienced before, even in the devastating 1973 Arab-Israeli war…
.. While Israel has been scurrying around to mobilize its troops and equipment for a counterattack, the Americans sent messages to the Resistance Axis – specifically Iran and Hezbollah – saying, essentially: “We don’t want this to escalate. We want and need stability on the Lebanese border with Israel. We are urging you not to interfere in this war.” …
..Within the axis of resistance, from Iran to Gaza, there is a uniform decision to prevent the defeat of any of the principal allies. As this axis made clear during the Syrian war, a major attack on one will be viewed as an attack on all. Today, their red line is preventing the collapse of the resistance in Gaza…
..Tel Aviv and Washington want to take down the Palestinian resistance while ensuring that no other battle fronts flare up to distract from that mission. Of course, the Resistance Axis principals will seek to do exactly the opposite, doing what is necessary to distract Israel from its strategic objective.
The situation is very complicated. If Israel manages to eliminate the Palestinian resistance – which it has never been able to do before – the entire region will undergo seismic changes and Tel Aviv will be able to impose its will across occupied Palestine.
Those gains would be extremely painful: the crippling of the Palestinian fighting spirit; No impediment to the Judaization of the al-Aqsa mosque; the possible annexation of the West Bank; increased settlement building; the mass detention of Palestinians with impunity; normalization with all remaining Arab and Muslim countries; and the loss of the Resistance Axis’ Palestinian ally.
These variables would fundamentally alter the balance of power in West Asia. The Axis of Resistance will not stand by idly and allow an Israeli ground operation against Gaza’s resistance – it will throw in new variables to confound and weaken the enemy.
If Tel Aviv – with western cover – decides to take this fight with the Palestinian resistance to the wall instead of striking a long overdue compromise and dialing back its occupation, other battle fronts will be opened against Israel’s military forces. As to the method, form, and location of those new frontlines, there are countless possibilities that will be kept under wraps as the picture gets clearer.
Gilbert Doctorow on how Russian experts are talking about the war in Israel/Palestine from a military perspective.
Why is this difference in what is reported important? Because coverage of the slaughter of civilians by Hamas fighters and interviews with relatives of those taken captive to Gaza as hostages plays into the hands of the Hamas strategists: it places enormous pressure on Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to proceed with a land invasion of Gaza which will result in many thousands of deaths among Israeli Defense Force soldiers as well as deaths of civilians in Gaza that may be an order of magnitude higher. The violence of an Israeli invasion may be so shocking as to justify outside Palestinian forces, namely Hezbollah in Lebanon and Arab fighters in Syria, in Iraq, in Yemen to send contingents of armed men to join the battle on the side of Hamas in Gaza.
The Western reporting has provided a wealth of material for those who would denounce the Hamas fighters as “sub-human.” …
..Based on the information about the military capabilities of pro-Hamas forces in the neighborhood aired on the Solovyov show last night by first quality Russian experts, it is far more likely that the United States military presence is intended for use against Hezbollah in Lebanon than against Iran. This organization is now said to be the strongest pro-Palestinian force in the region with tens of thousands of fighters, with advanced military equipment including perhaps one hundred thousand missiles ready for use against Israel at any time…
..One of the Russian experts who spoke at length about the situation in Israel on Sunday night was Yevgeny Satanovsky, who is a professor attached to two centers of Near East studies in Moscow. He appeared in the past on Russian television talk shows when the subject was Russian-Turkish relations but his core specialty is in fact Israeli politics and the economy. It was difficult to follow Satanovsky’s remarks in detail because he was speaking as if to academic friends over a cup of coffee and there was a lot of jargon. But his appraisal of the Israeli military’s degraded state was clear enough. The deplorable discipline within their army compounded the initial problems from the intelligence failures of Mossad. The common denominator both in intelligence and in military command was hubris, undeserved self-confidence, lulled by technological superiority over the enemy. But just as Hamas outfoxed Israeli intelligence by returning to 19th century methods of communications, couriers and face to face meetings in place of electronic means that Israel can intercept, so fairly rudimentary bulldozers were sufficient to break through the Israeli wall and a combination of firearms and drones neutralized the sensors and cameras protecting Israel from Gaza raids.
Said Satanovsky, the Israeli military has suffered an additional debilitating flaw, namely the succession of second quality generals who rose to the premiership of Israel over the past thirty years and the politicization of military ranks. He blamed in particular the 2005 decision by then prime minister Ariel Sharon to withdraw all Israeli presence from inside Gaza and to secure the enclave from its perimeter.
For those who want to know more about who Satanovsky is, he has a large entry in the Russian language edition of Wikipedia. Suffice it here to say that he calls himself an atheist as well as a “Russian Jew.” …
..Russia has and needs excellent relations with the Arab world. Fifteen per cent of the Russian population is Muslim, with their cultural and religious center in Kazan, some 860 km southeast of Moscow, in a wealthy oil-producing region. Chechnya is also a Muslim center in the Russian Federation and its leader Ramzan Kadyrov is well known in the Middle East. More to the point, Russia is a highly valuable partner of Saudi Arabia in Opec+…
..The official position with respect to the war now raging between Israel and Hamas was stated yesterday on television by President Putin: it can be solved only with implementation of the UN resolution on creation of a fully sovereign Palestine state, i.e. the “two state solution” that has been so long discussed but never brought to fruition. However, what will follow the creation of such a state is equally important and remains terra incognita: which world powers will guarantee the security of these two states?
Israel Actively Fighting A Secondary Front On Northern Border With Hezbollah: IDF
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesman Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus has confirmed Wednesday Israel fired rockets into southern Lebanon for at least a second straight day, striking Hezbollah positions after the Iran-backed group struck Israeli soldiers with anti-tank missiles fired from across the border.
Bloomberg has also confirmed in a note, “Israel said an anti-tank missile fired from Lebanon hit one of its military posts near the border, news that saw investors seek haven assets like US Treasuries.” This as an Israeli ground invasion into the Gaza Strip, which is sure to be a bloody campaign, appears imminent after PM Netanyahu told Biden in a Tuesday phone call, “We have to go in. We can’t negotiate now.”
Netanyahu also previously vowed in public statements that “what we will do to our enemies in the coming days will reverberate with them for generations.”
THE SILENCE OF THE BEARS – RUSSIA IS REORIENTING TOWARDS THE ARABS , John Helmer
The silence from the Kremlin reveals how thoroughly the Israelis have burned their bridges to President Vladimir Putin, and how far, if silently, the Russian President has moved to the side of the General Staff in their assessment of Israel as hostile – on the enemy front with the Ukraine, the US and NATO. Putin’s pro-semitism, on display in his relationship with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for several years, is now impossible in public, also in private…
..“We are witnessing a sharp deterioration of the situation in the Middle East,” Putin said in his public welcome for Iraq’s prime minister, Muhammed Shia al-Sudani, at the Kremlin on Tuesday morning. “I think that many will agree with me that this is a clear example of the United States’ failed policy in the Middle East, which tried to monopolise the settlement process, but, unfortunately, was not concerned with finding compromises acceptable to both sides, but, on the contrary, put forward its own ideas about how this should be done and put pressure on both sides, truly both — first on one, then on the other. But each time without considering the fundamental interests of the Palestinian people, bearing in mind, first of all, the need to implement the decision of the UN Security Council on the creation of an independent, sovereign Palestinian state.”…
..Erdogan’s press release was more revealing. He and Putin had “touched upon what initiatives can be taken to meet humanitarian needs in the region, as the Turkish president told Putin that targeting civilian settlements is worrying and Türkiye does not welcome such move.” Erdogan’s twitter announcement adds: “President Erdoğan and President Putin of Russia also exchanged views on potential initiatives to meet humanitarian needs in the region.”
This is a hint that Erdogan and Putin are contemplating a Turkish ship convoy of aid to Gaza, protected from Israeli attack by the Russian Navy from its Tartous base on the Syrian coast, and by the Russian Air Force from Hmeimim. This humanitarian operation by sea would aim at breaking the blockade of the coast by the Israelis, and running the gauntlet of the USS Gerald Ford and its squadron further offshore. If this operation, a reminder of the Gaza Flotilla of 2010, is in planning now – the open signals are warning Washington and the US Navy to expect it – then the confrontation, and the risk to the US and Israel of strategic defeat at sea, are unprecedented...
An alternative Egyptian option is a naval convoy. If this will be coordinated through the Kremlin and the Russian Defense Ministry with an Erdogan-Putin plan of a Turkish convoy sailing from the north, the escalation to regional and superpower level will have materialised before the Israeli invasion of Gaza can preempt it.
The Russian Defense Ministry has not been silent towards Israel in the past. Since the ambush by the Israel Air Force of the Russian Il-20 surveillance aircraft, and the killing of its 15-man crew in September 2018, the General Staff has said it has been reserving its moves against the Israelis while identifying them as the enemy. ..
..Vzglyad, the Moscow platform for Russian military and security thinking, editorialised on April 17, 2023, that in siding with the Ukraine during the Special Military Operation, the Israeli government had become Russia’s adversary: “The time has come to take a new position on the Palestinian issue. To take the celebration of Al-Quds Day to a new level, as well as to take a more pro-Palestinian position in the Middle East conflict. To stand on the side of those who help Russia within the framework of their own interests (Iran, Saudi Arabia) against those who help our enemies. And thereby to send a very clear signal to the world – a signal that Russia will treat its partners exactly as they treat it. To help supporters – and not to act in the interests of opponents.” The creation of a humanitarian corridor was explicitly mentioned in the Foreign Ministry briefing on Tuesday. “Tensions are rising in the West Bank of the Jordan River. There are high risks of the conflict spreading to the area of the Lebanese-Israeli border and drawing new parties into it. A large-scale humanitarian catastrophe is unfolding before our eyes. The main thing now is to cease fire and stop the bloodshed...
..“Those who were previously perceived as peasants in woven slippers, capable at best of blowing up a bus stop, destroyed one of the myths about the state of Israel in a few hours,” Yevgeny Krutikov concluded …
..In a personal Telegram post, Krutikov spelled out the consensus of Russian military staff thinking at present: “1. The IDF and the Mossad were completely unprepared. There is no primary protection system, the garrisons of the border posts were fast asleep on Saturday on the [Simchat Torah religious] holiday. The Arabs on foot, slowly, reached the unguarded positions of the Jews. The very idea of these posts was nonsense. 2. They don’t know what drones, air defence systems and all of this are at all. The Iron Dome is a fiction. They’ve been living in some kind of fantasy world for the last few years.3. Everything about Israel is a myth. There is no such defence system, there is no such intelligence. Their PR is solid. 4. Either the Arabs were trained in a special way, or they somehow unexpectedly evolved into a new form of life. The operation was planned for at least a year, taking into account all the new trends…5. A huge amount of weapons from the Arabs could not fall from the sky. How did it get there? again, we convey our warmest greetings to the Israeli mother of intelligence. 6. Tactical training is completely absent. As well as the vaunted patriotism. 7. Exceptional cruelty is a sign not only of this region. God is dead, including the Jewish God. 8. Where else will catch fire?”…
..Late on Tuesday, US time, a NATO veteran of the Afghan war cast doubt on what the Israeli offensive will be able to achieve in Gaza.
“The Israelis don’t have the staying power to dig through, let alone occupy, Fort Gaza. Now, thanks to the bombing, they’ve turned it into a giant improved defence complex. It’s sure to be laced with tunnels and other underground workings well-stocked with food, water, medical supplies, weapons, ammunition, etc. We can bet those workings crisscross the border with Egypt. We can also bet that, no matter how nervous General Sisi [President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, right], there is certainly Egyptian support where it counts now.”
“The Israelis are said to be mobilising 300,000 reservists. How long can such a mobilisation last before it tells on the country’s economy? The US, after nearly exhausting its arms stocks, and a great deal of treasure, on the war against Russia via the Ukraine, has little to show for it. How will ‘giving Israel all it needs’ to slog through the ruins of the Gazan death trap work out any better?”
“All of this goes without counting what the Russians, Turks, Iranians, Lebanese in the form of Hezbollah, and others, may do. If the Russians launch a blockade-busting run with the Turks, will the Americans and Israelis risk a nuclear exchange trying to stop them?”
[*] Late on Tuesday evening in Moscow, the Israeli ambassador to Russia, Alexander Ben Zvi, was admitted on his request to an interview with Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov at the latter’s reception room at the ministry. The Russian communiqué indicates the Israeli official was warned the proposed IDF plan to destroy Gaza, occupy the territory, and cleanse it of “human animals” — was “fraught…with the most devastating consequences for the humanitarian situation in the region.” … It is necessary, of course, to analyze things thoroughly. What is needed? How should it be done? I cannot rule out that it will not happen, either. It is possible that it will happen. I don’t know, it is to be decided at the army level.” He then told a meeting with Moscow Jews that Israel is not targeting all the Palestinians of Gaza: “this war will continue as long as Hamas exists as a terrorist organization, and we will have to pay with more and more casualties. In order to prevent this, we need to destroy all these terrorist cells of Hamas.”October 11, 2023 at 5:20 pm #144597
Saudi Arabia expresses ‘unwavering’ support for Palestine
There are no more Ukrainian advances, only heavy Russian artillery, rocket and glide-bomb bombardment, followed by careful Russian advances across fall mud.
The Russians Were Entrenched On the Northern Flank At Avdiivka. Military Summary For 2023.10.11
False-flaggy? What happened to the pipeline and fiber-optic communications cables? Whodunnit?
These are shared assets between NATO member countries.
NATO Secretary General Threatens ‘Response’ If Finland Pipeline Was Sabotaged
Paul Craig Roberts: The United States is on the verge of becoming a tyranny
US foreign policy is controlled by Neoconservatives. Their policy is to prevent the rise of other countries that could serve as obstacles to US unilateralism. The policy is unrealistic, but the neoconservatives have had control of US foreign policy since President George W. Bush, that is, for the entirety of the 21st century. Donald Trump became a marked man when he said that he intended to give the country back to the people and to normalize relations with Russia. He offended the Ruling Elites by challenging their power, and he offended the neoconservatives and powerful military/security complex by threatening to take away from them the Russian enemy that sustains them.
The Republicans support aid for Ukraine because they believe that it is patriots’ duty to support the country in war and because they receive large campaign contributions from the military/security complex that profits from war.
The spending issues are likely on hold until a new Speaker is agreed upon. This is the opportunity for Russia to use sufficient force to end the conflict while Washington is paralyzed.
RFK Jr’s main disservice to Americans is his unwavering support for Israeli genocide and colonialism (IMHO).
Brutal: RFK Jr’s Own Siblings “Denounce” Him And Endorse Biden , Claim Kennedy is “dangerous to our country”October 11, 2023 at 5:23 pm #144598
EU issues ultimatum to Elon Musk
“Following the terrorist attacks by Hamas against Israel, we have indications that your platform is being used to disseminate illegal content and disinformation in the EU,” he said, adding that when X receives “notices of illegal content,” it must “be timely, diligent and objective in taking action and removing the relevant content.”
While Breton offered no examples of “violent and terrorist content” making the rounds on the platform, he went on to state that “public media and civil society organizations” had reported numerous cases of “fake and manipulated images,” including “repurposed” photos from unrelated conflicts and “footage that actually originated from video games.”
The official said he expected a “prompt, accurate and complete response” from Musk’s team within 24 hours, and warned that “penalties can be imposed” if EU authorities find that X is not complying with the bloc’s primary internet regulation, the Digital Services Act (DSA).
Musk later reacted to the letter in a social media post, asking Breton to “list the violations you allude to on X, so that the public can see them.” He added that “Our policy is that everything is open source and transparent, an approach that I know the EU supports.”
Breton declined to cite any particular cases of misinformation, instead stating that Musk is “well aware of your users’ – and authorities’ – reports on fake content and glorification of violence.”
Domestic American leftist political alliances are strained (Marxists praying to God is a smug joke, I think.)
After celebrating the Hamas paraglider massacre at a rave in Israel which killed more than 260 people, BLM Chicago has deleted their tweet, and said that they had “sent out msgs that we aren’t proud of.”
“We stand with Palestine & the people who will do what they must to live free,” the statement continues.
The Marxist organization then tweeted that they were praying for God to “please unharden Israels heart & help them to stop bombing children & taking over peoples homes & building fences.”
Washington moving ‘illegal’ bioresearch operations to Africa – Moscow
Bill Gates Investing $40 Million For mRNA Vaccine Development In Africa
Charles found this medical paper confirming tea benefits for post-Delta COVID strains. I drank green tea daily at work until I was fired 2 years ago, and never caught COVID until late December 2021, after I had not been drinking it for 2 months. Japan did remarkably well with COVID, as you may recall.
Effects of tea, catechins and catechin derivatives on Omicron subvariants of SARS-CoV-2
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-43563-3October 11, 2023 at 5:37 pm #144599
“Well , that escalated quickly.”
GOP Senator Refers Ex-CIA Director To US Capitol Police Over ‘Assassination’ Post
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gop-senator-refers-ex-cia-director-us-capitol-police-over-assassination-postOctober 11, 2023 at 6:19 pm #144600Dr D RichParticipant
Are your ponderings genuine?
Genuine as in literary license or an author’s bonafide ignorance because I think you know how “it” works.
The things, issues and events that appear confusing or mysterious to us are NOT felt the same way to them before one considers the prospect they probably don’t feel “it” at all.
We are all being induced to act out their self-hatred, live within their grotesque fantasy.
Then when we become ((their)) projection, we’re supposed to accept their condemnation and vilification while the chorus, family, colleagues and friends participate. Add money, alcohol and a few psychoactive substances then a cult or religion emerges.
Their way is not a technique, haphazard occurence or disease to be remedied.
Their behavior is an intractable method from which they never deviate, an automated function not dissimilar to taking a piss or vomiting.
“The moment when you recognize them, they know you”
Their methods are mesmerizing, hypnotizing and entraining but not in the good way a newborn’s voice should seduce us all to care, give, share and protect…until we’ve prepared that child for individuation.October 11, 2023 at 6:40 pm #144601citizenxParticipant
President Joe Biden Delivers Remarks on our Terrorist Attacks in Israel
First they sniffed them, then they threw them out of incubators, then they sniffed them again. Back when I was a Senator 50 years ago…I loved the smell of war zone babies in the morning.
Some day this wars going to end…then I’ll start a fresh one. I have one word for all you evil doers-
‘don’t sniff our babies’
US and Israel Cuts Off Food, Water to Millions of bloody baby Palestinians, Calling Them ‘Human Animals’
‘they’re not our babies, they’re animal babies…
Prior to the Israeli-Hamas war, the Biden administration was considering seeking a $100 billion package for Ukraine. GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene from Georgia told the US press. “I think the White House proposal will be D.O.A. or dead on animals unless the House and the Senate are in some kind of a mood whereby they give a bulk of stuff to funding to Israel and maybe a very small token portion to Ukraine.
Where exactly does all this money come from the US Govt is giving away for War ?
US National debt $33 Trillion and counting.
Um… who are these people?
Are they animals, aliens or humans?October 11, 2023 at 6:53 pm #144602
Bottle neck/kill zone to invade Gaza.
The Gaza–Israel barrier (sometimes called the Iron Wall) is a border barrier located on the Israeli side of the Gaza–Israel border. The Erez Crossing, in the north of the Gaza Strip, is the only crossing point for people and goods coming from Israel into Gaza; there exists a second crossing point in the barrier, called the Kerem Shalom border crossing, which is exclusive for the crossing of goods coming from Egypt, as Israel does not allow goods to go directly from Egypt into Gaza through the Egypt–Gaza border.
A fence along the border was first constructed by Israel in 1994 as a security barrier, and has been rebuilt and upgraded since. It was constructed by Israel to control the movement of people as well as goods between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which it could not achieve by normal border crossings.
There is also one crossing along the Egypt–Gaza border, the Rafah Crossing, though it is limited to the crossing of people; as per Israel’s demand, any cargo or goods that are to enter Gaza must go through Israel, usually through the Kerem Shalom border crossing.[October 11, 2023 at 7:00 pm #144603SeaBirdsParticipant
Bill Bonner in fine form:
“Iron walls, ghetto life and who benefits from forever wars..
“According to the Israelis, Hamas fighters are “human animals.” Israel’s ambassador to Germany, Ron Prosar, called them “bloody, thirsty animals.” (English is not his first language.) And here’s Nikki Haley, candidate for the White House:
“This is not just an attack on Israel – this was an attack on America. Finish them, @Netanyahu.”
How the attack by Hamas had anything to do with America has yet to be explained. Then again, the US frequently gets involved in foreign wars. The Great War 1914-1919 was no attack on America…nor did Vietnam or Iraq have any plans to attack America. Nor did Russia. Or China.
But how the hate gets around! Once again, it is the bad guys against the good guys. And if it is unclear to you which is which, you are not watching the news. Or, you are guilty of ‘moral ambivalence’…or treason. You’re expected to choose. Americans, with God whispering in their ears, know which hate crime they prefer. Marco Rubio:
I don’t think there’s any way Israel can be expected to coexist or find some diplomatic offramp with these savages …
You can’t coexist. They have to be eradicated.
“It was 80 years ago that Jews were confined in their own ‘autonomous areas’ (aka ghettos and concentration camps). They often had no hot water in the Warsaw ghetto; people were dirty, underfed. Their Nazi guards (many of whom were “Askaris”…Ukrainians!) said they were “subhuman.”
“The Jews of Warsaw fought back against the Germans, but only when it became apparent that the latter intended to exterminate them. They fought for a month…then, they were eradicated.
As for the Palestinians of Gaza, their fate is still undecided. There are many in Israel who say they should be “removed.” Ron Prosar, quoted above, said the policy had gone from “containment to eradication.” Whatever it is, the US war machine will be there to help.”
Here’s the whole article:October 11, 2023 at 7:49 pm #144604Figmund SreudParticipant
Alastair Crooke in following vid. First 15 min., … he spells it all out!
F.S.October 11, 2023 at 8:12 pm #144605citizenxParticipant
Instead of looking at the Holocaust as an example of “what not to do” to anyone, these Jews see themselves as “the chosen people,” and better than the rest of the humans on the planet. These Jews don’t want mass murder done to Jews, but don’t care if it happens to another people, to “the unchosen.”
Thank you. Clear as a mountian lake.
I was born in Queens, grew up around NY, NJ, Florida wealthy Jews. There was also a large Hasidic (Ashkenazi Hebrew) community that I spent several Summers around back East. I’ve also spent lots of time around West coast SF, LA and NW Liberal Jews and have dated many Jewish women. There was a term for the east coast Jewish women- JAPS that was common- Jewish American Princesses. Watch West Side Story and you’ll realize there were slangs and nicknames for EVERY ethnic group…more of a self parody that groups would joke around with other groups. Just as NYC had multi racial/ethnic neighborhoods all over.
People were not such sensitive pussies back then and actually had a playful sense of humor- now it would send pc wokesters into spastic fits of freakout curled up into balls reaching for the pill bottles- ‘fake trauma’.
I’ve been invited into a Jewish Temple only once in my life for a mitvah back in HS. With that said I’ve grown up around lots of ethnic communities and religions- have traveled much of the US and parts of the world. Been around the Amish, Catholics, Protestants, Baptiists, Buddhists, Zen, Hindu, Taoists. I’ve been educated by Benedictine Monks, Hindu, Buddhist (tibetan, japanese, cambodian, chinese and Indian) Native Americans. College educated in formal Western Psychology and dozens of years studying and training in Eastern Psychology at schools as well.
I’ve been fortunate to have spent lots of time around Priests and Monks, in Churches and Temples. Also blessed to have spent decades in the Mountains climbing, exploring, adventuring all over the US and various other mtn ranges in the world. Learning about myself IN nature and from nature- I’ve done multi day and week long solo trips in the mtns camping and climbing – alone- for long stretches of time. Also guided groups of people and individuals in the backcountry teaching climbing and taking them up summits.
Uniquely I’ve been around and met some of the wealthiest ppl in the world, famous celebrities, actors, musicians, athletes and climbers…writers and healers. I’ve also spent alot of time around dirty hippies, hopleless drunks, cocaine dealers, weed growers, gun dealers, mafia (eastern eu and italian)… and countless ‘normal’ ppl by the hundreds of thousands.
I know very little about Islam. The little time I have spent around muslims has been wonderful- warm, smiling, thoughtful, intelligent- great food and strong coffee.
I’ve trained in the healing arts (herbal medicine and body work), martial arts, east/west psychology and religions, western medicine, climbing and backcountry skills, history- revolutions, warfare. politics, economics, riding motorcycles and modern defense skills- for decades.
My point in all this ? In my direct experience the least friendly, least hospitable, least approachable, most arrogant and obnoxious has been from jews and the Jewish ‘community’. I’m a very friendly open human being- approachable and able to converse with any human being in the real world- no I don’t really consider this online world- the real world.
What I would love to see and experience, from at least my fellow american, is more honesty, discernment and courage to unsubjucate ourselves from this horrendous system of broken governance we have all found ourselves under. The slow creep of misanthropy I am not willing to embrace, yet.
Now back to living-October 11, 2023 at 10:27 pm #144606
John Day said
“Your Position Is Clear” – Musk Slams Terrorist-Supporting BLM Posts
At least two Black Lives Matters (BLM) groups have made statements on X, formerly known as Twitter, supporting Hamas – the terrorist group responsible for the deaths of over 1,200 Israelis (including women and babies).
A nothing response from Musk, which does not surprise me as he is obviously backing off from his action against ADL and the Jews, after the threats from Netanyahu. Netanyahu was most probably aware of the planned Hamas action at the time, he was priming the situation. Coincidences don’t happen.
Musk doesn’t say that the reason Hamas is killing women and children could be that they were taught to do it by watching the Israelis doing it to them. He doesn’t mention that they are trespassing on Palestinian land; isn’t that reason enough to kill people in parts of the USA? Musk could point out the huge kill ratio, the 40:1 kill ratio or whatever it is now, where Israel kills 40 Palestinian women/children for every one killed by Hamas. There are an endless list of attrocities that pre-date this war, but nobody wants to dig into the past and find the Jews may be to blame. White Americans are afraid of the Jews.
Musk could also point out that actually it is the USA and UK who are to blame for this issue still existing, as they have encouraged the Jews to keep Israel as an apartheid state, same as Musk’s South Africa. But then Musk would have to consider solutions which would go against the wishes of the Jewish community in the USA, and he is not going to do that, he is afraid of the Jews and he needs their banks. Of course, the Jewish community in the USA and UK are happy so see Israel as an apartheid state, otherwise they would have changed it. You don’t seriously think that the US Jews do not have that level of control over Israel.
Americans are all pussies when it comes to the Jews. Dr D tries to pull apart the Jewish “group” into sub-groups so that he can provide some sort of analysis that excuses him from using the term “The Jews”, he is being intellectual, so that is acceptable. He is letting the Jews know that he thinks some are bad but he is not talking about most of them, he is also letting them know that he is afraid of them, not willing to group them all together like he would blacks or whites, for example. Blacks, do we analyse why one is in the supreme court and others are in jail, using some sort of over-analysis? Or do we say that they suffer from absent fathers etc while obviously that is not true of ALL of them. It is cowardice, the American people are afraid of the Jews and will never recover their autonomy until that is dealt with; why should the Jews hand you back your country? Until you grow a pair they will keep control of the country.October 11, 2023 at 10:37 pm #144607
Time to bomb the residential areas of Dresden and pretend there are no civilians living there … go Churchill, add this to your list of war crimes … https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-now-actively-fighting-secondary-front-northern-border-hezbollah-idf. Humans are so stupid, the longer you live the more you realise that the superiority of humans over other animals is only skin deep.October 11, 2023 at 10:40 pm #144608
Phoenix, you are correct. I’ve often thought that this conflict cannot end until at least one side says, “I love and forgive you despite what you’ve done.” Or what we ALL have done. …And that is Christianity, the pivot point.
What they’re doing is a good illustration of Rome, and eminently logical, but that wasn’t really a very nice era, eye for an eye in an ever increasing spiral. Where they’ve got to is all they’re going to get using this same thinking. But you know neither one is going to want to hear from Christians, they’re going to have learn for themselves.
Not only are we not a Christian nation, but Christians don’t this enough either, and the only way to show is by example.October 11, 2023 at 11:20 pm #144609CelticbikerParticipant
Amen Aspnaz. the whole world is sick and tired of their demonic shit. They can shove the jeworldorder right the fuck up their ass.October 11, 2023 at 11:33 pm #144610
Dr. D said
Phoenix, you are correct. I’ve often thought that this conflict cannot end until at least one side says, “I love and forgive you despite what you’ve done.” Or what we ALL have done. …And that is Christianity, the pivot point.
You want to bring a third religion into this? How insane is that. What you need is for the situation to be sorted out by a powerful third party without either belligerent having any say, one that can treat both sides equally, one that can enforce law and order and give both sides a future to work towards. Yes, this sounds impossible, but may be out there. Humans respond best to fairness, strength and discipline that leads the society to unite and work together; work together for the future. Without a firm hand, both sides will continue to seek revenge; sometimes you have to tell children they will get no supper unless they say sorry to their sibling and mean it.October 11, 2023 at 11:40 pm #144611
Actually I do disassemble what is “Black” or “White” and do it pretty regularly. So are Russians “White” now? How about Siberian shamans? How about Muslim Serbian immigrants? Puerto Ricans? Heck, they’re full-blood Americans for 100 years, how can they not be? Or my favorite, the Spanish. Are they European or Hispanic? Does it depend? So are they white or non-white? Both? So if you’re 100% German but 2nd Generation Argentine, are you “White”, “European” or “Hispanic”…even though you have blue eyes, blonde hair and speak German not Spanish?
How about Amish? Definitely White, but speak no English. How about Elon Musk and Charlize Theron, both born and raised African? Definitely black. And Egyptians, all of them? They’re all perfectly African. Nassar, Sadat, all black! They are 100% African. Right?
We know if you’re half white, you’re actually all black, but why not vice-versa? Obama is totally white in my opinion, prove me wrong. The Rock, totally all Black, of course. What? His father was a Nova Scotian. (Of Black decent. His mother is Samoan). Totally Black. I mean White. I mean Black. I mean not white at all. But not Black at all either.
Bob Marley, all white! Yes, his father was English (and Jewish, and Syrian). So 50% white = all white! Same logic as 50% Black = all black, isn’t it? Or is it a single drop of Jewish blood? Or maybe a single drop of Middle Eastern blood? What if you’re Greek?
Gosh one of my favorite subjects since it MAKES. NO. SENSE. No wheres. No hows. Just stop. There’s no. Such. Thing.
…And the same with people called “Jewish” as I was saying. 5 categories, at least. They aren’t even apples to apples, a type, or apples to oranges, a category. They are apples to frying pans, unrelated categories: one is a religion, one is a nationality, one is a culture, and one is a genealogy. And two, maybe even three are fully optional, can can be chosen and changed at any time. Same word.
Conclusion? STOP PICKING ON BOB MARLEY. He never did you no wrong.
— Well I had fun, I don’t know if anyone else did. —October 12, 2023 at 12:31 am #144612
Dr D said
So are Russians “White” now?
Whites and Russians, two different groups. Whites and British are also two different groups. Russians have multiple racial ethnicities because their country spans multiple “zones”, from Europe (West of the Urals) to Asia. Nationality and race are two different categories of group, you can belong ro a few of each if you so desire or are born that way. When you ride the metro in Moscow it is clear that Russia contains many different-looking people. Why would you consider Russian and White as the same group?
Gosh one of my favorite subjects since it MAKES. NO. SENSE. No wheres. No hows. Just stop. There’s no. Such. Thing.
Of course it makes no sense, you are asking the question because you are trying to deny that groups exist. You are arguing that there is no such thing as men and women, because hermaphrodites, they are both, so the groups cannot exist.
If you have ever studied set theory you will appreciate that this is a pretty dumb position. Group A exists, group B exists, they may be the same, they may be different, there may be some intersection. But, whether there is any intersection or not does not invalidate group A or group B, they still exist. Groups are defined, so they can contain whatever you want them to contain and the meaning is usually fairly obvious by the name.
Saying that the group “Jews” does not exist is not true, you are not in a position to redefine or delete any group definition, however loose, used by current English speakers. You seem to think that groups can only exist if you belong to one group and not another, so being Russian and White is not possible. Being half Chinese and half British mean that you do not exist; duh, maybe you are in both groups?
My guess is that most Jews belong to that religion, exclusively, so they are members of the Jew group. What is so difficult about that? My guess is the same is true of most Christians? So someone who does a little bit of Jew and a little bit of Christian will be in both groups, they will be few in number, but they do not invalidate the existence of the group.
Rather than exclusively refer to everybody as individuals, humans have learned to group them. It makes our lives easier. Pretty simple really.October 12, 2023 at 1:33 am #144613my parents said knowParticipant
Thanks, DBS.October 12, 2023 at 2:01 am #144614
Thanks Figmund Sreud: Indeed the first 15 minutes of Alastair Crooke explaining the root cause of what happened in Gaza and nearby on Saturday is quite clear and instructive.October 12, 2023 at 2:26 am #144615
@Aspnaz: I meet a lot of people who identify as “non-religious Jews”, and have had “Jews” in my Buddhist Sangha for years. I knew they were “Jews” the first time I met them, because I lived in NYC from 1st through 3rd grades.
I think “Jews” is a tribe, but with different castes, cliques and identities within the tribe.
Humans are difficult in general.
I’m not “Jewish”, but I have been a “Mohel” for 3 bris ceremonies because I did painless circumcisions on babies, and did them “the Jewish way”.
Some tribe-members are a lot nicer or colder than others, including a special form of smug quoting of tribal-cliches in place of human compassion or actual connection.
It’s all rather specific stuff within the tribe.
Boy Scouts was too much for me to deal with willingly. I just observe.October 12, 2023 at 3:26 am #144616D Benton SmithParticipant
Here’s the thing about dealing with people who want to cause harm to others. They have no reason to want anything else. They’ve decided what it is that they want, and wanting something else just isn’t that thing.
What they want is to cause harm to others, so they’re going to go on wanting that until they actually do have a reason to want otherwise. And whatever that reason might be, it’s going to have to be impressive enough to move someone who has already decided to not be moved.
To make a long explanation short, there are only two ways of accomplishing it. One of those ways is good, and the other way is bad.
The good way is by appealing to what they want even more than they want to harm people.
This good approach usually takes years of time , thanklessly arduous work, and endless wrangling, but on the upside it eventually benefits more people and fewer people die.
The bad way is to make those who want to cause harm to others incapable of causing (or wanting) anything.
The bad way should be avoided except as the absolute last resort because it is typically horrendously violent, seldom helps anyone in the long run, and very very easily turns those who use it into people who want to cause harm to others.
Nevertheless, and only as the LAST resort, sometimes it is indeed the last resort and must be done, so do it, but for God’s sake (and your own) do not attempt it without Divine guidance, because without it that level responsibility teeters on the deadly brink of hubris, and is suicide.
Everybody knows that we’re getting close to that moment, but nobody knows how close. I hope we use the time wisely.
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