August 30, 2019 at 2:09 pm #49458Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Of course the notion of addressing Hong Kong has been in my mind for a while, but it’s a bit of a moving target: things change all the time, an
[See the full post at: Hong King Kong]August 30, 2019 at 4:30 pm #49460Dr. DParticipant
HmmmAugust 30, 2019 at 4:39 pm #49461seychellesParticipant
High time for everyone to sit down and talk.
This only makes sense if it is mutual good faith Logos talk. Not likely in a world of pervasive anti-Logos. “Talk” in the contemporary sense translates into maintenance of status quo power relationships.August 30, 2019 at 7:50 pm #49464Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Famous last words: Who cares about Dorian. Do like the name, but other than that… Not like Florida doesn’t have plenty wimps as we speak. And Mar-a-Lago thrown in for good measure. But still, pay attention.August 31, 2019 at 4:11 am #49466zerosumParticipant
Who cares about Dorian.
Everybody who is and will be making a profit from the wreckage.August 31, 2019 at 7:48 am #49467V. ArnoldParticipant
At this point I don’t know what to make of the Hong Kong situation.
I do not trust any media on this…or much else.
I’m reminded of the 2 coups (so far) that happened during my residency in country (Thailand) and the reaction by the western press; it was ludicrous to say the least.
With our (western) history in Asia, generally, and China (a 4,000 yo culture) specifically; I find it difficult not to side with China. Or, at the least for now, to keep from making any judgements…
We’ll see…August 31, 2019 at 4:54 pm #49473
V Arnold is spot on…this is a color revolution funded by the CIA…These paid protesters are “
pro democracy” “pro-imperialist ”
1958, Mao Zedong: “U.S. imperialism invaded China’s territory of Taiwan and has occupied it for the past nine years. A short while ago it sent its armed forces to invade and occupy Lebanon. The United States has set up hundreds of military bases in many countries all over the world. China’s territory of Taiwan, Lebanon and all military bases of the United States on foreign soil are so many nooses round the neck of U.S. imperialism. The nooses have been fashioned by the Americans themselves and by nobody else, and it is they themselves who have put these nooses round their own necks, handing the ends of the ropes to the Chinese people, the peoples of the Arab countries and all the peoples of the world who love peace and oppose aggression. The longer the U.S. aggressors remain in those places, the tighter the nooses round their necks will become.”
Speech at the Supreme State Conference (September 8, 1958).August 31, 2019 at 5:24 pm #49474Charles AlbanParticipant
Good quote from Mao. He’s dead right. And for imperialists read jews. Capitalism and democracy are just tools of jewish world domination. Communism and capitalism were born of the same bitch. The Chinese and Russians know their history… jewish instigated Opium Wars and jewish led Russian Revolution. Only totalitarian regimes can keep jews out. “Democracies” are always co-opted by them, as US and UK. Monarchs can issue decrees to expel jews for usury as they’ve done over 100 times in the past, which is why we have no effective monarchies nowadays. The Chinese need to crack down hard on dissent and accept no interference from the corrupted West, “free trade” agreements notwithstanding.August 31, 2019 at 6:10 pm #49475
I wouldn’t conflate Mao with the protocols of the elders of Zion. You’ve got it backwards Charles Alban, the tail does not wag the dog.August 31, 2019 at 6:48 pm #49476Paul_BogdanichParticipant
This is a very difficult problem. Unlike Taiwan which is like Cuba is to the United States, except for Hong Kong Island proper, Hong Kong is attached to the Chinese mainland. It would be as if in 1850 the British seized the San Francisco peninsula north of San Mateo and then so generously negotiated to give it back over time starting in the year 2000 with special laws, it’s own government and what not. Basically British colonial meddling. I personally think the Chinese have been very patient on this. Way more so than the Americans would have been under similar circumstances but the fact is Hong Kong is Chinese not a British protectorate. Yet every article I read in the western press, including this one fails to mention that key fact. The problem with China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc is all those populations are fiercely nationalistic. These twenty something protest leaders say they are ready to die for their cause and that’s laudable I suppose but they had better have their wills in order because the mainland Chinese will be forced to accommodate their request if the inflexibly obstinate violent behavior continues. China simply can’t let Hong Kong remain a colonial possession. No way, no how.August 31, 2019 at 9:43 pm #49477
Paul…indeed. And they just finished a what 27 mile bridge to the mainland? Would they let this turn into another Maidan? Doubtful.September 2, 2019 at 11:19 pm #49517BACAHParticipant
A couple of years ago, my adult kids and I met some Filipino inlaws of very modest means for a vacation in Hong Kong. We spent the whole time traveling around with them. They were friends with one of the Filipino domestic workers who worked in the city. She joined us for tourist stuff on her single day off for the week.
We also met and spent time with some other Filipino domestic workers whom we encountered. One of those was an illegal domestic worker. She had to go in and out of the territory on a regular basis to Macau to get re-issued a tourist visitor visa so she could continue to work under the table in HK. No, she was not a sex worker (62 years old).
So, we got to experience HK from an entirely different perspective than most American tourists. It was clear to me, that those HKers exploit and treat their Filipinos like sh*t. Even my in-laws of modest means, who flew up from Manila to meet us the night before our arrival, shared with me they got to experience the “HK hospitality for Filipinos of modest means”. More nuanced racism when they checked in to the hotel under my name. It was only after we arrived the following morning, that my inlaws got treated like visiting tourists ought to expect. I am not an “ugly American” who expects to be catered to and fallen all over; I am aware such behavior is obnoxious. But nor is it right for them to be obnoxious to visiting Filipinos of modest means, nor for them to exploit and treat like sh*t those domestic workers.
So, I find it ironic, they are protesting for civil rights and social justice for themselves, while they deny those to their Filipinos. Kind of like in my country’s history, owners of black slaves who wanted freedom for themselves, but not their black slaves, from the tyrant King George.
Not related, but I am open minded that the violence and property damage of the protests may be perpetrated not by the protestors, but by provocateurs under direction of Mainland China.September 3, 2019 at 3:43 pm #49526Charles AlbanParticipant
Christopher Cobb….if by tail you mean jews they do indeed wag the dog. three jewish billionaires control the US Congress and a fourth, Sheldon Adelson, controls the president. all the US military adventures in the middle east are proxy wars on behalf of Israel. the Israeli tail wags the mighty US military running dog, to use a Maoism. China, Russia and Iran are well aware of who is really calling the shots.
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