(No) Debt Rattle October 14 2025
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October 15, 2025 at 8:05 pm #197500
John Day
Participant@Michael Reid: Watching at 2X speed… Phoenixvoice was wondering about how you watched so many.
October 15, 2025 at 9:33 pm #197501kultsommer
ParticipantTilt in right direction? Definitely!
October 15, 2025 at 9:34 pm #197502Michael Reid
ParticipantThere is far more to human history than we have been taught.
The history that we have been taught even recently is a deception.
What do we know about 11600 years ago?
Or what ever, even yesterday they do not communicate the truth.
October 15, 2025 at 10:55 pm #197503Michael Reid
ParticipantSo do we still think America is good?
So does Dr. D. still think America is good?
So if we live in America what are we thinking?
So if you are afraid that we will be killed for speaking the truth
as you see it
respond with XXX if yesit may bypass the terminator AI Skynet
I feel sad that I am a computer engineer.
A young boy should get a trade or continue with the family operation
October 16, 2025 at 12:43 am #197504John Day
Participant@Michael Reid: It’s ok. We’ll all die, and have possibly already played this human-life game many times.
I do think that caticlysm thing is about to happen within my already foreshortened life.
I’m ready to spring into action … somewhere; not quite sure where yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpILRrxCMiw&t=107s
😉
And furthermore or less: https://theethicalskeptic.com/2024/05/23/master-exothermic-core-mantle-decoupling-dzhanibekov-oscillation-theory/October 16, 2025 at 1:26 am #197505John Day
ParticipantThe dad seems like a stand-up guy.
The 67 year old child molester was out on parole with the condition to stay away from that 14 year old girl.
Arkansas Dad Arrested for Killing Young Daughter’s Alleged Rapist Is Now Running for Sheriff https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2025/10/14/arkansas-man-arrested-for-killing-young-daughters-alleged-rapist-now-running-for-sheriff-n2195067#google_vignetteOctober 16, 2025 at 2:20 am #197506WES
ParticipantGold’s Rally:
I am old enough to to have seen all of gold’s rallies since it was freed from it’s $35 FDR chains by Nixon.
This gold rally is unlike all of the previous gold rallies.
This gold rally is unreal.previous
There doesn’t seem to be any obvious reason why gold is going up (or more correctly the USD going down) .
Previous gold rallies were driven by a known investor concern.This time the investor concern is largely hidden so is more of an unknown.
That is why this gold rally feels so much different than all of gold’s previous rallies.
It is hard to fathom whether authorities temporarily lost control of suppressing gold’s price, or whether it is deliberately being allowed to rise.
I can only tell you, this gold rally feels unreal, and very different.
Yes, that debt mountain/financial system could come crashing down at any moment.
October 16, 2025 at 2:32 am #197507WES
ParticipantP.S. Another reason this gold rally feels unreal, is that Joe Public is completely ignoring this gold rally.
Investors are not buying gold nor silver at all!
Coin dealers are currently only buying gold and silver!
Dealers are not selling any gold or silver!
One dealers said he is buying 100 silver for every 1 silver sale!
October 16, 2025 at 2:47 am #197508John Day
Participant@WES: I read a couple of years ago that the $US could be 1:10 gold-backed at about $28.000/oz, if the US holds what it says it holds.
I am sure there are lots of ways to look at that…October 16, 2025 at 5:14 am #197509Fully_caffinated
ParticipantOreshniks to Cuba
Oh dear, not another Cuban missile crisis…
October 16, 2025 at 7:49 am #197510₿oogaloo
ParticipantThink of the history of the gold price. It goes nowhere for a decade or two, and then it makes a big move. In the 1970s the gold price rose from $40 to $800. That was a 20x.
Then, for the next 20 years, from 1980 to 2000, gold went nowhere. It fell to a little over $200 at “Brown’s Bottom.” Then for the next 11 years it went from a little over $200 to just shy of $2000. Not quite a 10x, but close.
Then for the next 10 years it went nowhere. From $1900+ down to around $1100+ and then back to $1900+ in 2021. Now it is on the move again. If history is any guide, I think gold continues to rise for at a decade and we get another 10x or so. A 10x from the 2015 low of $1100 would put us at $11,000. A 10x from the breakout over $1900 would put us at $19,000.
But what might make this different is that the LBMA may be losing its control over pricing, and this may have now irrevocably shifted to Shanghai. By some estimates China how has 9x as much gold as the US (and that’s assuming all the gold is in Fort Knox). Many think that the US was behind the gold price suppression. But does that make any sense? Artifically suppressing the price favors the buyer, not the seller. Perhaps the Chinese found a way to suppress price while they were accumulating, and now the hammer they can bring out in a trade war is for gold to trade at its true price.
I guess I agree with you that this time feels different. But I am not only enough to remember the bull of the 1970s. And for the bull that started around 2000, that was definitely a different era. King dollar was on top, and that was the year China joined the WTO. It seemed inconceivable that anything could ever dethrone the dollar. Even after the 2008 crisis, mainstream thought thought that is was inconceivable that the dollar system might come to an end. But gradually that has changed, and now even mainstream sources concede that this has become a real issue.
October 16, 2025 at 11:15 am #197511Dr. D
ParticipantNothing really on the shutdown. I guess bc the polls show the Democrats caused it? Obv you need both sides, but the Public comes out and picks who they think is at fault. That’s DNC / Schumer right now. So the media then isn’t running daily stories about the endless tragedy of the third intern of paper clips playing minecraft off their 6-figure savings account, still having free healthcare, and how one national park put up a gate one week.
That is to say, as we say, “If the government shut down, no one would even notice.” So we aren’t. And the media agrees with us I guess. Soooo….then it’s sooper urgent we get all these people back to work we never noticed were missing?
“Moscow foils ISIS terror attack coordinated with Kiev: Report”
Since we are ISIS, did we leak this to Russia?
“US will not deploy troops to Gaza or Israel, says Vice President Vance”
Don’t believe you at all. Show me.
“The official story could collapse if they revealed the autopsy findings: ABLECHILD: No Bullet, No Answers – Charlie Kirk Autopsy Under Fire in Utah “
But also no FBI press releases. “What assassination?” We can cover this bc they say it hit an artery. …One filled with no blood, apparently. I don’t think people can grasp from movies how much blood is in a human body. And literally (Leaked) trollop and tripe about how “There was no exit wound”? YGBFKM. Bad enough as a 30-06 which CAN punch like a .223, a high power ice pick – but usually doesn’t. Usually pressure blows a sizable exit wound. Anyway, most people stopped right where I did, Cullom for example: all we need to know is the official story is entirely false. Most solid conclusions fall into place right there. The FBI doesn’t say this, won’t talk: there’s your real, hard fact. They are not tracking down the person honestly, because they already know – mostly – who did it. We know that because they already know before knowing they need to be quiet about it. If they honestly didn’t know, they wouldn’t know they needed to shut up. Kash would be out on the podium all week like he was the first day, then vanished.
“Taiwan’s new missile defense network may or may not be enough to hold China at bay until US and allied help arrives”
We don’t have any “Help” to back this up with, so I wouldn’t worry about it. Even if we did, Chinese ships would make aid ships a sitting duck.
“Western Business Leaders ‘Terrified’ After Touring Chinese Factories”Everyone has told them daily for 10-20 years and they only noticed today. Sure. Every businessman on earth is an idiot, I guess. Why is this in the news?
“Project Rosalind Every transaction will be centrally evaluated for appropriateness and taxation level, only finalizing when fully compliant.”
Guarantee none of this will work and people will be shut off all the time for no good reason, unable to appeal, and die. Thanks. That’s a feature. Its name is “Plausible deniability.” …Check every computerized interaction you’ve had for the last 20 years, with every call center closed, unable to escalate above an Indian logic tree.
Unreal gold rally:
Well, all NY took from 2008 – 2025 to reset all the global books and shorts, which pissed all of us off. Then there is a worldwide gold market everywhere, Dubai, Shanghai, with deep pockets in SLV/GLD even though those are all paper gateways giving metal only on direct orders of JPM.
To Trump goes to the King and offers terms of surrender. The Derp State then refuses, of course. Trump comes home and gold goes straight up, causing us no problems at all. Silver follows on arbitrage, unable to be contained, but there is no silver above ground, causing a drain China joins in on. Who is the only one who isn’t honest, worldwide, the only one positioned to lose on this? London. LBMA.
Back to first principles, the exchange SHOULD NOT CARE which way prices go, what their clients want. Long, short, who cares? We only match the sides. RoW are doing this, Shanghai doesn’t care. Dubai gets rich if gold goes up. The Fed/Treasury is recapitalized. Only if you’re a FRAUD and are selling 300:1 what you DON’T OWN is this a problem. Right?
Then LONDON is discredited as a complete fraud, also worthless as a financial center since they can’t make deals happen. Why would I bank in London, I will need to offset my risk in gold at least a little, and they clearly can’t do that even a little. So I’ll go to China, it’s only a phone call. And if you hadn’t noticed, City of London has long since gutted all Britain, their host nation, and is the only remaining industry on the whole island. Lose banking and the parasite falls because the HOST falls. And the people are for it. They’re rapidly turning aware to Starmer and how England is run for the Anti-English.
All good. Just drive it to $10,000, $20,000, wtf cares? Doesn’t bother anyone who isn’t a fraud.
The U.S. is littered with gold mines. We have more gold than Mexico, if the EPA would sign a permit for anything ever. Everyone forgets. We also have fab copper mines, huge, a enormous rare earth mine in mothballs, waiting to be turned on and lit up, and many more. Endless iron ore still in Michigan, although the one mine is down, the whole area is nothing but iron, all the canals still exist in perfect shape. We CHOOOOOOSE not to do anything logical. And we know it, people are shouting. That’s very different from not having any ore, no infrastructure. Here, you wake up one day and “Stop being stupid”. Six weeks later your cashflow reversed and you’re rich.
This was all set up by WEF/ Europe TO collapse us, so they could steal our resources of a collapsed, balkanized state, kill every American Deagel style. Why on earth WOULDN’T you? Russia is Russia, that’s the Plan. WE are Russia, that is the SAME Plan.
Russia Rev 2.0, same as they tried in 1812, 1860. etc
Anyway, greusome Newsome is now working on secession of CA from America, but Podesta already opened his yap and told us that was always the Plan. Okay then, we’ve had like 6 years to respond. In the big picture, the attacked those areas, but WHY? WHY attack them and not, say, the South? Because UK just topples nations and kills everyone for 300 years. They have a textbook, and they use “The Plan” in “The Textbook” because it works. Reinventing old grievances everyone forgot about. Making the people desperate, sowing division, even down to sexual deviancy. Yawn. But looked at like a MILITARY OPERATION, they capture all the PORTS. Land-lock the nation, barricade it and set up London TOLLBOOTHS ringed ’round. Then extract 4% anyway on the “Free” red country within. So they wanted all the PORTS on the Left coast. Detroit, “Port”, Chicago, Port. Boston, Port. Maine, Port. Northeast, Port. Blah blah blah. Boring. It’s just a boring boring boring military operation. They combine and do what the Northeast liberals say, secede to CANADA. So we undo the Revolution and become BRITISH again. And the whole Northeast would, the fecking idjits. Move the Canada line down a state, taking MN, WI, MI, NY, ME, VT, MA, CT, and WA. Maybe PA.
So what does TRUMP do with this plan so obvious it’s boring boring boring? Counterattack and take CANADA away from them and away from London altogether. Land bridge to AK, taking AB and SK, more, barricading BC in, unable to be held, and leaving QC and ON to duke it out 50-50, which leaves no Canada at all. Fools. Don’t play.
OR we can all STOP the war, go home and be rich doing honest work. Your decision. We’re fine either way. You want to tango, I’m your huckleberry.
October 16, 2025 at 11:49 am #197512John Day
Participant‘Shut Up!’: Nancy Pelosi Snaps At Reporter Over Jan. 6 National Guard Accusation https://www.zerohedge.com/political/shut-nancy-pelosi-snaps-reporter-over-jan-6-national-guard-accusation
October 16, 2025 at 12:52 pm #197513Michael Reid
ParticipantOctober 16, 2025 at 12:54 pm #197514kultsommer
ParticipantCK. etc….
The more evidence that “assassin” could not have done it puts him closer in danger of “suicide”.October 16, 2025 at 2:29 pm #197515phoenixvoice
Participant“The President is invoking political violence, which we all condemn, as an excuse to target non-profits and activists with the false and stigmatizing label of ‘domestic terrorism
I tend to agree that labeling behavior as “terrorism” is problematic. If the behavior is a crime, pursue investigation and prosecution for the crime, don’t make up “more special crimes,” such as “terrorism” or “hate.”
Having said that, the ACLU should mind the Biblical adage of removing the beam from its own eye before removing the mote from someone else’s.
October 16, 2025 at 2:34 pm #197516zerosum
ParticipantIrrelevant, unsupported claims
October 15, 2025
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …The British media amplifies the Russia’s-Economy-Is-Flailing(TM) piece of fiction:
Does it even matter to the final outcome?
So now Tomahawk missiles are the Western wonder waffle that will force RF (and specifically the despicable Putin) to the capitulation table.
October 16, 2025 at 2:57 pm #197517my parents said know
ParticipantAnother fetch from zh: a steampunk short video from AI. It’s better than I expected. (Though the ballerina is not so good). It made me think of LOTR: the Future…
3:38 long.I’ll ask again: could a corrupted CSS link in the comment section play havoc with wordpress?
[I speak in ignorance but goggle’s AI says yes.]October 16, 2025 at 4:12 pm #197518zerosum
ParticipantAt least three Palestinians killed by Israel in Gaza amid ceasefire
Live updateslist 1 of 10
Published 9 minutes ago9m ago
Israel confirms attack on Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley
list 2 of 10
Published 17 minutes ago17m ago
Israeli soldiers shoot and kill Palestinian boy, 11, in West Bank: Health Ministry
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Published 24 minutes ago24m ago
Photos: Palestinians struggle amid crippling water shortagesOctober 16, 2025 at 7:37 pm #197519WES
ParticipantThanks for the replies!
Dr. John Day
Boogaloo
Dr. DToday ZH has an interesting article on the London Silver Market squeeze.
more interesting is that neither the US nor China seem very interested in helping out London by supplying silver bars to alleviate London’s silver shortage.I guess if you keep selling the same silver bar to different people, someday a day will come where nobody trusts you.
This leads to Dr. D’s “fraud” theory.Maybe what we are seeing in the London silver market, are the fraudsters being called out?
Of course the same applies to gold fraudsters too!Whatever is going on, I am watching this market’s reaction towards these lying liars.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.
I want to see them, being carried out on stretchers or being mopped up off the sidewalks.October 16, 2025 at 11:01 pm #197520Dr D Rich
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“Price-seeking”
((full-throatedly! Is there any other way to self-deception?))
The following JouTuberry should be filed under PSA, public service announcement and My God and most of all, take a gander at the comments.
Can a whole profession let its Mask slip so far?
Why yes, Dorothy…yes they can.
Caregivers my ass.October 16, 2025 at 11:32 pm #197521Celticbiker
ParticipantGold and silver are rocketing because no 1 with a brain believes these jew owned pedophile puppets say anymore. Trust is gone, goodbye, which means the $ is shit. Weimar, 2.0
October 16, 2025 at 11:32 pm #197522Celticbiker
ParticipantGold and silver are rocketing because no 1 with a brain believes these jew owned pedophile puppets say anymore. Trust is gone, goodbye, which means the $ is shit. Weimar, 2.0
October 17, 2025 at 12:10 am #197523kultsommer
ParticipantCK etc 2
October 17, 2025 at 12:24 am #197524Michael Reid
ParticipantAndrei says
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the president of the united states is an idiot
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ParticipantOctober 17, 2025 at 1:38 am #197527Michael Reid
ParticipantOctober 17, 2025 at 2:07 am #197528John Day
ParticipantTrump says he will meet Putin in Hungary for Ukraine talks after ‘very productive’ call https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmxz37nv3zo
October 17, 2025 at 2:13 am #197529John Day
Participant Aide to the President of Russia Yury Ushakov: Colleagues,
Today in the afternoon, Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation, the eighth one, with US President Donald Trump.
The conversation lasted almost two and a half hours. Clearly, it was a rather substantive and at the same time very open and frank exchange. http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/78237October 17, 2025 at 4:11 am #197530Dr D Rich
ParticipantYou gotta admit when first reading the cutnpaste below that this Halbfinger Guy that he seemed to be channeling the Ds, D and DBS, but nevertheless never the more.
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David Halbfinger, who has just begun his second tour as the Times’ Jerusalem bureau chief, in action:
“The war in Gaza may finally be ending, after two years of bloodshed and destruction. But among the damage that has been done is a series of devastating blows to Israel’s relationship with the citizens of its most important and most stalwart ally, the United States.
Israel’s reputation in the United States is in tatters, and not only on college campuses or among progressives….
The question is whether those younger Americans will be lost to Israel long- term — and what Israel’s advocates will do to try to reverse that.”
Halbfinger proceeds to quote none of “those younger Americans,” or anyone else of any age who stands forthrightly against “the Jewish state” in response to the campaign of terror, murder and starvation it has conducted against the civilian population of Gaza these past two years.
Chief!!
The backbone of the Nayvee. Ask deebs.
Here it is via Consortium News via Patrick Lawrence not Patrick piece of shit Soon-Shiong
https://scheerpost.com/2025/10/14/patrick-lawrence-let-us-now-bury-the-truth-again/
October 17, 2025 at 1:34 pm #197531kultsommer
ParticipantTMG. Shining light.
October 17, 2025 at 1:39 pm #197532Michael Reid
ParticipantOctober 17, 2025 at 1:56 pm #197533zerosum
ParticipantWhat went Wrong?
Trump’s Stunning Move Shocks World Storming Of Konstantinovka Has Begun Military Summary 2025.10.17
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October 17, 2025 at 2:04 pm #197534Michael Reid
ParticipantOctober 17, 2025 at 3:56 pm #197535zerosum
ParticipantLIVE BLOG: Israeli Strikes Killed Captives; Pro-Hamas Messages Broadcast at US, Canadian Airports – Day 742
October 16, 2025Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu briefed Trump on Israel’s planned steps in response to alleged Hamas’ delays in returning the captives’ bodies.
Meanwhile, more testimonies emerge of brutal sexual assault and rape, with the use of sticks and police dogs, of Palestinian detainees by Israeli prison authorities.
Since October 7, 2023, Israel has killed 67,967 and injured 170,179 others, the majority of whom are women and children, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza.October 17, 2025 at 3:57 pm #197536Michael Reid
ParticipantOctober 17, 2025 at 4:25 pm #197537Michael Reid
ParticipantOctober 17, 2025 at 4:28 pm #197538Michael Reid
ParticipantOctober 17, 2025 at 4:33 pm #197539Michael Reid
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