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  • #71028

    Claude Monet Grand Canal, Venice 1908       Our freedoms are cancel-cultured one by one, and by now hardly anyone notices anymore, beca
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    #71033
    Noirette
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    Following the Vanden Bossche screed in the previous thread see Israel, the top-star-vax country. All nos. from Our World in Data.

    Israel, number of daily deaths (7 day rolling average) per million ppl:

    Highest point 2020 Oct 14 ………………. 4.47
    Down, down -> lowest Dec 9………………0.79
    Steep rise -> highest Jan 25 2021……… 7.49 (note 1)
    Then sinking -> latest March 6 2021……..2.05

    Vaccinations. Doses per 100 people (Pfizer vax, 2 doses needed.)

    is an almost perfect linear trend, going from

    Dec. 23 2020………1.62
    Jan 25 2021……… 46.8
    March 11 2021……106.5

    Haaretz March 11 2021: 56% pop received first jab, 43% got 2 jabs, fits with the nos. above.

    The death numbers, provided one accepts them, do not support the idea that vaccines are creating a ‘surge’ in deaths within the quite narrow time period (their long-term effects are another topic), nor the claim that vaccines have lowered deaths.

    No relationship between the two can be discerned. *Imho.*

    There is the time lag – about 1 or 2 weeks to note infection, another 2 weeks or often far more till death. Plus, overall the numbers of deaths are too small. As are at various dates the ‘fully vaccinated’ (what groups?) etc. Many other variables can be presumed to play a role and are left aside.

    1. On Jan 25, to compare, UK 18, USA 9, Italy 7

    //this post with links didn’t stick so i removed the links and will post them below.//

    #71035
    Noirette
    Participant

    links didn’t post.

    #71038
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Tucker gives me phantom PMS syndrome but I like what he did with the 4th of July statement. Time to get this fight rolling. Can’t be put off much more.

    #71039
    democritus
    Participant

    This statement is false: ” The spike protein remains with you indefinitely. In effect, you have modified your own genetic make-up to fight COVID “.

    RNA isn’t DNA, and the RNA doesn’t remain.

    #71040
    democritus
    Participant

    Furthermore, the virus sars-cov2 is RNA and it plays havoc with your cells. Jim Rickards should stick to his usual subject matter.

    #71041
    Dr P
    Participant

    “In effect, you have modified your own genetic make-up to fight COVID without actually gaining immunity and without reducing transmissibility.”

    It’s IMPOSSIBLE to change DNA with the mRNA that is being injected. As soon as proteins are created the mRNA is degraded and disappears.

    #71042

    From the rabbit hole:

    From ncbi in 2020:
    COVID-19: a probable role of the anticoagulant Protein S in managing COVID-19-associated coagulopathy

    From ncbi in 2020:
    Vitamin K metabolism as the potential missing link between lung damage and thromboembolism in Coronavirus disease 2019

    And this one, just because it was interesting:

    From Sloan kettering in 2018:
    In a Twist, Scientists Find Cancer Drivers Hiding in RNA, Not DNA

    #71044
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “RNA isn’t DNA, and the RNA doesn’t remain.”

    “It’s IMPOSSIBLE to change DNA with the mRNA that is being injected. As soon as proteins are created the mRNA is degraded and disappears. ”

    Ok…… so that makes everything thats gone on the past year and trying to talk people into getting a vaccine they probably don’t need ok?

    #71045
    Dr P
    Participant

    No, It’s a biological fact, not a political one. Requiring or not the vaccine shouldn’t depend on the fact that it does not alter your DNA.

    #71046
    Mr. House
    Participant

    What should it depend on?

    #71047
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    Here’s an analogy that’s kinda hyperbolic, but maybe not?

    A carjacker points a gun at you, tells you to scooch over, takes the wheel and goes on a crime spree. He hasn’t modified your car, but he’s sure done a s#!+-ton of damage, eh? And then he leaves…no more carjacker, but things are still mighty f#(<ed up.


    @madamski
    re: phantom PMS

    Giggle! As my wife always says, “Prepare to Meet Shaitan!”

    #71048
    Dr P
    Participant

    I guess it depends on your conscience and if you think you need to be vaccinated for this virus or not. The biological fact that is doesn’t alter your DNA should not interfere on your choice.

    #71049
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    The mRNA is a synthetic mRNA. According to the CDC website “Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.”

    According to Wiki (lazy, yes, but have read this in other sources): “Once inside the immune cells, the vaccine’s RNA functions as mRNA, causing the cells to build the foreign protein that would normally be produced by a pathogen (such as a virus) or by a cancer cell. These protein molecules stimulate an adaptive immune response which teaches the body how to identify and destroy the corresponding pathogen or cancer cells.[1] The delivery of mRNA is achieved by a co-formulation of the molecule into lipid nanoparticles which protect the RNA strands and helps their absorption into the cells.”

    I can’t speak for Jim Rickards or Raul or anyone else who is raising concerns about this injection, but I don’t think any of them are trying to imply it will “change your genes” and somehow turn your brown eyes blue.

    However, injecting a synthetic mRNA surrounded by lipid nanoparticles into your body, which does indeed instruct your cells to create protein pieces, is IMO a big deal. Especially an untested therapy with no studies on the mid- to long-term effects. The fact it’s synthetic is enough to raise an eyebrow. Since our bodies aren’t good at breaking down synthetic anything, is there proof this synthetic mRNA breaks down and is disposed of in a similar way to natural mRNA?

    What boggles my mind is that anyone would consider being a part of this global medical experiment.

    Having said that – you want the vaccine, get it. I’m not sure why we even debate this anymore.

    #71050
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    @Dr P re: non-alterations

    It doesn’t directly alter any DNA…as far as we’ve been told by the totally trustworthy manufacturers.

    #71051
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @thomasjkenney: your wife sounds like a hoot – I literally had a laugh out loud with the “Prepare to Meet Shaitan!”

    Thank you!

    #71052
    Dr P
    Participant

    We don’t have the technology to alter DNA in situ, without a Crispr-CAS9 protocol in place, and the vaccine amount and known ingredients don’t show that this is present in their components (I bet some people checked, independently).

    Also, many different treatments rely on lysosomes for cell injection of different drugs that usually don’t pass through the cell wall.

    If the mRNA vaccine is the problem, just wait for the J&J, or do not take it. It’s not up to the government to tell us what to do, personal responsibility.

    #71053
    Mr. House
    Participant

    I concur Dr. P

    Thoughts on a vaccine passport? Something insidious is going on in my opinion but i’ve been saying that from the start.

    #71054
    democritus
    Participant

    Compare what the vaccine does to what sars-cov2, which is RNA, does to your cells. If you want to make an informed decision you don’t want misinformation everywhere. Also immunity doesn’t mean not getting infected, it means not getting ill.


    Q: How long does the spike protein made by the body (via encoding through the mRNA vaccine) last in the body? 

    A: The protein lasts the same amount of time as other proteins made by the body. Exact time is not known, but it is estimated to be a few weeks. ”

    https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-real-time-learning-network/vaccines/vaccines-information–faq/

    #71056
    Huskynut
    Participant

    Great summary.
    I want to point out that several of us here were pointing to the potential for this to occur at least a year ago.
    The invocation of a Black Swan strategy/response ala Taleb requires the absolutely rigourous standards precisely because what hangs in the balance is the rule of law and society.
    It was obvious from around Day 2 that the Imperial College models did not pass those standards, either from historical accuracy, or from the quality of their model. In a robust decision analysis, Option 1 is always “Do Nothing” (or some mildly precautionary version thereof), and should be the default when the other options are underpinned by emotion (fear) rather than quality data.

    The underpinning psychology of the individual is well layed out here: Conspiracy psychology

    #71060
    Topcat
    Participant

    Dr Pierre Kory has been on the front lines in ICU units from the starts of Covid

    Here is the interview link

    Dr. Pierre Kory interviewed by Willem Engel (who is Dutch)

    Somewhere in the interview, when discussing Ivermectin and his personal experience using it hundreds if not thousands of times in ICU, he say, paraphrasing,

    ” ..when the history of Covid is finally covered, the centrally organization suppression of using Ivermectin to treat Covid will be looked back upon as a Crime Against Humanity”

    Pretty strong language against the political and medical Pathocracy currently calling the shots (pun intended)

    Interest that Dr Kory used the phrase, “Crimes Against Humanity”

    So does Dr Reiner Fuellmich

    In fact he has brought up the specter of Nuremberg 2.0

    Again, very strong language.

    Dr Reiner Fuellmich is a very successful trial lawyer against fraudulent corporations such as Deutsche bank, VW, and Cunard and Niagara.

    He is also one of four members of the German Corona Investigative Committee.

    Since July 10, 2020, this committee has been listening to a large number of international scientists and experts’ testimony.

    After hearing these scientists Reiner Fuellmich says

    “This corona crisis, according to all we know today, must be renamed a corona scandal; and those responsible for it must be criminally prosecuted and sued for civil damages”

    “..which has meanwhile unfolded into probably the greatest crime against humanity ever committed…”

    Startseite

    German Corona Investigative Committee

    The website is in German, but he does plan to translate the German Corona Investigative Committee website into an English version too.

    Are you outraged at how Covid has been handled in the West???

    Well support these two men!!!

    They are not simply bitchin’moanin’ about it

    They are dealing with it

    #71068
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    On my Honda drive today to see if it still works, News Radio huffed and puffed about Joe Biden forgetting the Defense Secretary’s name and wondering if a fit energetic Kamala Harris wouldn’t be better for the nation. This station takes the Foreign Establishment’s Syria, Ukraine, Libya, and Iraq propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

    I feel for Joe, he is a year older than me. My short term memory is gone. Did I take that last pill or not? But there is a bigger problem, cognitive dissonance. Joe is the Last Emperor. Way back in the Reagan Administration, I acknowledged that I didn’t get RIFed (Reduction in Force) because corporations thought that safety testing and government approval was important and it kept the competitors from entering the market place.

    Now that corporations have consolidated into a few multi-nationals and have bought the democracies, safety testing and planning for the future are no longer needed. All that matters is this quarter’s profit (not the millions of humans dead from the weather, plague, war or famine). Life is so bad that the kids are being sent across the Southern US border by themselves. War and economic refugees drown in the Mediterranean Sea.

    Since the pandemic, things are not the same in the West. The points in this post are valid but cannot be acknowledged. The Green Zone protects the US Capitol.

    If Joe Biden is removed out of office by the 25th amendment, it will be the 75 million MAGA Nationalists against the top 5% Globalists led by Kamala Harris. There is no compromise possible. They don’t live on the same world. Chaos is about to engulf the Americas. But, the US Senate Republican Minority Leader says the economy is just about to come roaring back.

    What is the truth?

    #71070
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Claude Monet Grand Canal, Venice 1908

    Zounds! What a painting! Such a beautiful reprieve from the present, ongoing, nightmare…

    My anger and frustration at a world beyond my control; and not of my making; the root of which I fled almost 2 decades ago; seems to be a tsunami of facism rolling over the western world…
    China and Russia seem to offer some respite, but in that dynamic it’s a distinct possibility the nukes may yet fly, thereby dragging us all into the conflagration…fuck all…nowhere to escape…

    #71071
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    VietnamVet
    I feel for Joe, he is a year older than me. My short term memory is gone. Did I take that last pill or not? But there is a bigger problem, cognitive dissonance.

    76 in a few weeks, so, I can relate.
    I number my foil carded pills (HBP) and have a system for the other 3 (vitamins); when I take one it gets moved to a different spot. When all 3 end up there, I move them back to their place. 😉
    I do, and have lived, in interesting times. I do my best to keep a degree of perspective…
    Cheers

    #71072

    All off topic, but WTH.
    If you click this button you will find what percentage of the population you belong to which clicks this button.

    In the world of data, we’re being gamed.
    We don’t know who they are, but we are named.

    MSP is being set up. They are streaming the proceedings of the Chauvin trial. Media was set to do “influencing” but they scrapped it. (HAH!). The weather is going to be nice. Tra-la!

    Why wasn’t the trial moved? An impartial jury, HERE?

    #71073

    Sorry about the italics. Should have stopped at “we”.
    Everything about my computer has gotten twitchy. Back-ups back up many more moves than I want. Spell checker lags and doesn’t let me catch it. Deletions are incomplete. Pages delete. Posts disappear. Scrolling is sticky. Anything the cursor touches, opens. Mouse drags instead of cursors.
    The computer wants to eat my time and make me forget what I was doing.
    Computer aggression!!

    #71074
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    @my parents said know re: computer frizzies

    Are you using a touchpad? If so, clean it thoroughly. If that doesn’t help, it may have aged out. They wear out and the thickness (or lack of) makes them more and more sensitive.

    Also, check for the presence of cat hairs on the device! 🙂

    #71075
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Very likely that Sputnik V is the single best vaccine available; but!!!; oh the horror! It’s a Russian product.
    Now Russia has 2 additional vaccines which are reported to be effective against the various evolved strains of the CV-19.
    I do hope the vile bastards who have politicised this pandemic, and the Russian vaccines, are hung at the coming soon (I hope) new Nuremberg trials…
    Crimes against humaniy indeed…what is the world death toll for CV-19 now?
    …and how many per day continue to die?
    WWII may well come in at 2nd place if not already there…

    #71076
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Since the edit has eaten my last 2 edits I won’t use it…
    I forgot to call the vile bastards by their proper noun: Galoots…

    #71078
    Topcat
    Participant

    The posting problem is either deliberate on Word Press’ part or astonishingly incompetent code writing.

    Like the old Lily Tomlin AT&T skit

    “Were WordPress, We Don’t Care, We Don’t Have To”

    #71079
    Topcat
    Participant

    The posts with no links or formatting seem to work better

    Word Press subbed out there code writing to save money for executive bonuses to 1st grade graders in Asia.

    #71091
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Quotes Bible: “This reminds me of South Park S19E9 where the evil corporate computer plan is to distract and prevent the humans from using the internet and getting anything done.”

    So NSFW I realized I couldn’t post it even if the evil corporate computer companies would let me. Which is doubtful.

    The Tao is to go WITH the flow. Wu Wei. If WordPress and Twitter don’t want you on the internet, agree with them. Do what they say. Read a book then go outside and plant something.

    Oh and if you want to get something done on your computer, use Linux, possibly Mint. It comes complete without a built-in back door that the prophets of S19E9 warn about.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Park_episodes#Season_19_(2015)

    Denied. Page demands the sum of these two numbers: “14”. Hahahahaha! Computer so funny! Right out of Kafka + Geobbels!

    #71113
    Bill7
    Participant

    “Our freedoms are cancel-cultured one by one, and by now hardly anyone notices anymore, because the media is in on it. But this cannot end well. We better stop this now, or it will get awfully out of hand. It’s a sliding scale bouncing down a slippery slope that gifts politicians and “health authorities” the world over with ever more powers, which they really should not have, as everyone would agree with who takes a step back to look at the bigger.”

    Crocodile tears..

    Who coulda ever, ever knowed that lockdown would end (heh!) like this? And what’s with the “we”? I didn’t choose it, or run a website pumping out the OMG COBID!!! fear-porn with the best of ’em..

    #71146
    Dimitri
    Participant

    @Bill7 has a valid point re pumping out the COVID fear-porn

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