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    Mark Chagall I and the village 1911     My good friend Wayne brings up some interesting questions about weapons, in the view of the current
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    #134159
    Alexander Carpenter
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    Speed of sound

    #134160
    Rototillerman
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    Small correction: Mach 15 is 15x the speed of sound – the speed of light is still an unbreakable limit in the universe, so far as I am aware!

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    Corrected, merci. Wait till you see the speed at which my brain works….

    #134162
    Alexander Carpenter
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    If I were a Ukranian general officer, I would hesitate to initiate any general attack that might generate ethnic-Russian casualties. Were I that general’s boss, ditto. And then…?
    There’s a lot of “eventually” before we get to the Western capitals.
    Perhaps it’s no wonder that the “war” is now one of words, and is not “kinetic.”
    “Putin” plays a great waiting-game, and is more credible for accomplishing “his” stated aims than the cowboys on the other side.
    It will be interesting to watch the foldings we expect, from one or both sides.

    #134165
    Autonomous Unit
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    the speed of light is still an unbreakable limit in the universe

    unless you are a politician. they make their own reality. They are mandating EV vehicles without regard
    to whether or not the electrical grid can carry they load.

    #134167
    Red
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    @ilargi ” Wait till you see the speed at which my brain works….”

    Ha ha you should watch mine, you’ll need to take a land mark to see it!

    #134191
    citizenx
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    Wait till you see the speed at which my brain works….

    I jokingly call Ginko Biloba my ‘smart pill’… take 1 a day about an hour before you’d like a clear head. Ginko is one of the oldest plants on the planet, great for circulation and sending o2 to your noggin. Helpful with minimizing HAPE at altitude, yake for 10 days prior to altitude.

    Hawthorn(e) berry is also great to take, excellent Heart support and harmonizes with either high blood pressure or low, no contraindications. Hawthorn taken with Ginko enhances memory.

    Kudos on RF and Soviet weapon development in general. Reliable, functional, effective…easy to field maintain. Their ‘surprise’ tanks kv-1 and t-34s shocked the snot out of the Nazis until the Grmns turned their 88mm anti-air guns to flat trajectory.

    Mosin, great rifle, ak47 to 74s outstanding… SKS… all used actively to this day in conflicts around the globe.

    Makarov… !

    With a broken systemic Govt, broken citizenry unable to reel in its Govt… who or what else will can check the Rogue USG ?

    Either from within…doubtful, or another Nation must intervene for the sake of humanity. RF’s weapons are key to that stabilization.

    #134209
    Dr. D
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    Not sure I’m following his points at all. Maybe it’s the establishment of more context. WHO was doing the Anti-Nuclear? Americans? Hippies who existed at that time? Brits? Germans?

    Yes we followed that, as they were merely sloganeers without a vision, when the slogan passed, they disappeared too, which left them without a path for the newly-fallen Russia. That is, since they only wanted their own theoretical safety, mentally, they didn’t give a rip about Russia or Russians and were perfectly happy for Cheney and Hermitage to kill them all one by one so long as they were safely in Vermont.

    We have the same terrible thinking now. What about nuclear arms? Well a lifetime ago(again, and again and again) a thousand years ago, before we were born, nuclear weapons were Fat Man and Little Boy. They had to be delivered with slow cargo planes and made only a big round crater.

    That continued a long time with B-52, subs, and ICBMS. That leaves MAD as the only option. But slowly they got smaller and better targeted. Once they didn’t NEED as many, AND they’re expensive, they signed treaties to have less…of what they didn’t want anyway.

    So by the late 80s, nukes and conventional bombs had a lot more in common. They were smaller, targeted, and put up a fraction of long term radiation. There were battlefield nukes, and even suitcase nukes were rumored. Therefore, generals wanted to use them. Create a tactical logic tree that integrated them.

    However, the MENTAL reality, that is to say, the STORY, the narrative, the literary impression remained that using a suitcase nuke that took down a building or a tunnel was a “Nuclear War”, that is to say, an instant worldwide ICBM exchange. And nuclear winter. Which was no longer a reality since 1985. Which is logically and morally ridiculous. It’s just fantasy. So we can kill 6 million Iraqi kids is fine, but a microbomb that kills 500 soldiers is a bridge too far? What the actual?

    So for ANOTHER generation, since at least 2000, we’ve not adjusted to this new “Not ICBM” reality, even as occasionally it’s rumored such things are used from time to time, in Ukraine, Syria, etc. Fine by me, I guess, but they’ve made their own problem. That is to say, the problem isn’t real. It’s just made up in your mind. You use the word “nuclear” and “Everybody loses their minds!!!” — The Joker.

    So the Hypersonic kinetics go around a problem we ourselves made up illogically, from thin air. Fine by me, I guess as it keeps Boston from being whacked, but it’s all fantasy. I get tired of having to keep 2-3 realities running parallel all the time. What’s ACTUAL, what’s SAID, and what people BELIEVE.

    So if we get hypersonics and they’re not nukes, we can just level the Kremlin now? And that’s okay? It’s only bad if they ICBM us? No.

    Can we go back to a MORAL base where killing people for nothing, who are no threat to you, but are slightly different, is a BAD thing? We leave them alone, they leave us alone? Apparently not. It doesn’t cross the minds of the generals and politicians of course, but it never crosses the minds of the people either. The very idea of leaving others alone is anathema to them, whether in Texas or in Sudan. In other words, THEY, WE, have no morality, only violence.

    If we have sticks and stones, writs of law, and nightsticks, they’re happy to use them on anything that moves, inside out outside the country, citizen or no, because they have no morality or God. Who cares about the weapons in such a case?

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    D Benton Smith
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    The speed of light in a vacuum is really really fast, but that’s not the most remarkable thing about it. Indeed that’s not even in second place. Second place goes to the fact that 299,792,458 meters per second does seem to be the limit of how fast things can go under any circumstances, which just goes to show you how quick you have to be to come in second best around here. First place for weirdo nickel knowledge about light has to be that its speed is always and exactly the same (relative to the observer) no matter which way that light or observer is going or how fast either of them are going there. Now THAT’s remarkable. Truly deserving of the prize, I would say, unless you wanted to quibble and say that absolute hands-down FIRST place would have to go to the fact that there even is an observer in the first place to ponder such wonders.
    As for me, I’m still at the starting gate, with a relative speed (apparently) of practically zero, because no matter where I go, or how fast I get there, there I still am.

    #134256
    anticlimactic
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    Nuclear missiles are currently ICBMs. ‘B’ stands for BALLISTIC. It is like throwing a rock to hit a target several thousand miles away! Ballistic also means a fixed path so interceptor missiles can be positioned along the expected flight path. To hit a bunker you would need to send lots of nukes and HOPE one would be close enough to do damage.

    In most cases an ordinary Kinzhal would be more effective – for destroying bunkers, silos, power stations, dams, etc. They have a range of 3000 km and are accurate so very few are needed.

    Nukes are okay for destroying cities, but it probably wouldn’t be necessary!

    One area where Russia is a world leader is titanium alloys and it is my guess that this is how they have created a material so heat resistant.

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