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RE as I thought about your last post more and more something really interesting crossed my mind.
It seems that we both think that a person has the right to collect rain water from his roof. I, as a conservative, think that my rights to collect rain water is guaranteed by the US constitution and that the liberals want to take that right away from me for the common good. You, on the other hand, as a liberal ( I assume) think that you also have the rights to collect the rainwater from your roof and that I, as a conservative want to take those rights away from you for the benefit of some corporation.
Really, we are both on the same side and being screwed by a third party without even knowing it.
So RE you actually think that a person owns the rain that falls on his roof?
You could be a closet conservative.
“You are aware perhaps that some communities and Goobermints now regulate and in some cases outlaw rain collection systems. “
Am I the only one who sees the tyranny in the above statement. THAT is the reason we have the 2nd amendment in the US!
First of all the law makes no sense. Household water winds up back in the ground with less evaporation that rain water. Ah, the socialist brain at “work”.
“People do not “create wealth”. People only do Work to reform the Wealth that is out there into different forms, at the expense of some energy transformation and entropy depletion.”
What a bunch of BS.
Are you trying to tell me that a farmer is not creating wealth by harvesting his crops or that someone who creates shelter from the forest is not creating wealth? Even mining a non renewable source of minerals is creating permanent wealth if they can be recycled.
Hummmm, for the past few years Spain has been the leader in Solar and PV power and yet they are bankrupt and raising their electric rates by 7%. Yet another stunning victory for the Green Movement.
Forget any country trying to pay off it’s debts, it will never happen.
I would venture to guess that you can count on one hand the number of countries that do not borrow to meet day to day expenses.
In the US about 45% pay no income taxes. I would guess that 20% of the workers are paid by a government in some form or the other. They pay taxes but with monies that came from the government so they are still a big net loss to government income. Add to that the retired who do pay taxes but less than they take in from SS and you see the picture. Then you have the illegals who use the system, pay no taxes and send money out of the country. So as a real rough guess I would say that only 25% of the workers in the US are paying all the bills. No wonder we have to borrow Trillions each year.
TheTrivium4TW, I liked your comments but have have a different opinion about the Left. The hard core Left know exactly what they are doing when they encourage an “Arab Spring”. World chaos is at the very heart of their game plan. Here in the US, they are hoping that the OWS movemnet will grow into riots. The Trayvon Martin shooting has been turned into a race issue in the hopes of starting a riot. For the president to fan the flames as he did is beyond excusable. At worst, this is a case of a person using poor judgement and killing someone. There are tens if not hundreds of black on white murders in the US each year that create little or no media outrage. Exactly why is that?
You will have to excuse me if I go off on a rampage when someone tries to blame western society for the problems in Africa. If it were not for the influence of Western Christian Missionaries they would still be running around with the heads of other tribal leaders on a stick. Do you really think that the Dutch went into the interior of each nation to collect slaves? Of course not, they were the hostages of tribal wars and would have been killed if they did not have a commercial value. The western world has done nothing but bring civilization to Africa. So Teju feels guilty about purchasing an Ipod that is mad in China by underpaid labor. Well get over it Teju, at least they have a job and are earning more than they could on a rural farm. Otherwise they would have moved back a long time ago.
As a citizen of the US this article has been very helpful to me. I can now look at the starvation and self induced genocide in Africa and totally ignore it knowing that deep down in my heart I was only “Helping” out of guilt and not Christian compassion for others. Let China and the overgenerous Middle Eastern countries help them.
For the most part, El Gallinazo is 100% on track here but I too disagree with his premise that Israel is the enemy. Liberal Jews are just useful idiots in the progressive/one world government movement. As far as I can see the control battle is now split between the socialists/communists and the Muslim extremists. They are both using chaos as the means to the end. The S/Cs want to end all religion as it threatens their absolute power and the Muslims want their religion to be the only true religion. IMHO the Muslims are are using the Socialists/ Communists as THEIR useful idiots.
Tell me, exactly how are the bankers the problem????
YOU and I are the problem. Over and over again we elect people who spend more than they take in. If we don’t pay their ransom the threaten to take way our teachers, policemen and firemen.
Well you know what, we have to let the system disintegrate, possibly teach our own children and protect our own neighborhoods ourselves if we expect any sort of freedom or liberties.
The corporate/large central government model has reached the end of it’s useful life. They are using their power to indoctrinate instead of educate our children and diluting any savings you might have acquired to fund an unsustainable social agenda. Politicians and corporations have made a fortune servicing and promoting poverty!
This is just the natural progression of a world without morals. Greek corruption is as much to blame for this as anything else. Everyone has figured out how to get a free slice of the pie and it seems that 120% of it has been served up to date.
There is much to be said for returning to the not so distant past. I am not so sure that I would be willing to go back to the pre-electric days or back to the animal drawn plow. But the idea of multiple generations living in the same ( paid for ) household and caring for each other is something that feels correct. Modern society has turned each person into an island. Also, these “islands” are very expensive to support and wasteful by nature. “Government” needs to be brought under control, since it is a “luxury” that we can no longer afford, and family units need to learn how to provide for themselves.
We are witnessing the “Fall of Rome” all over again. The problem is not just a Greek one. The whole Western world has lost it’s moral compass. Our political leaders have joined forces with our business leaders to form a corrupt enterprise that has no sense of values and cares nothing about a future that extends farther than the next election cycle. It is not about country any longer it is about what is best for the party.
Our educational systems feed mindless politcal drivel to the students which says the the “Rich” are to blame and the the solution to the problem is to just hand more power to the politicians. The voting masses have been purposely indoctrinated by the media and educational system so as to perpetuate the system. Without a functioning moral system you only have the law to protect you. We can all see how well that is working.
Libertarians are all for individual freedoms which on the surface is a good thing until Their money is taken away from them in order to support others who have ruined their lives utilizing their freedoms. Are you willing to take a crack addicted mother and her child into your home or will my taxes have to pay for them to survive? Perhaps we could employ them. I hear that heroin addicts make great taxi drivers. Perhaps you would like to have your children taught by a teacher on acid.
I really liked the video except for inference that the suburbs will suffer more than the cities. At least the suburbs has some arable land. What exactly will all of the city dwellers, who earn their living double clicking on a mouse do for a living once we revert to a farming society?
I found it interesting that this discussion on debt slavery has turned into a discussion on drugs and jails. In reality both debt and drugs can be highly addictive to most of the population. Both can bring instant gratification and lead us to put off thoughts of future consequences.
Used properly, both can and have benefited society and made our lives better.
Used for recreation, both can and do wreck havoc with our lives.
Governments are just as prone, if not more so, to become addicted to credit. It is like crack to them.
Hummmn, petroleum usage in the US is plummeting but oil prices are up big time despite a steady to increasing dollar. HI might be closer than we think. Yes, Iran is a big unknown but is it production worries or devaluation that is causing this spike.
And we might as well add to that, if they plan to pay off all of this debt with phoney money when will inflation rear it’s ugly head. If the answer is never since destruction of debt is depressive then why is this not a good long term plan for all governments.
So governments are dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t.
Run a deficit——dammed
Reduce a deficit—-dammed
Raise taxes to reduce deficit—–dammed
Lower taxes and deficit—— good trick if you can do itA scam artist named Rossi claims to have developed a multi megawatt class cold fusion device that runs on Hydrogen. He claims that it just costs a few dollars a year to run.
If he had such a device he would be a billionair overnight. GE and others would buy the rights and be selling the product as we speak. Natural Gas and Oil futures would be selling for next to nothing.
This is a total scam perpetuated by a scientifcally ignorant press.
Yea, right! If only the US was bright enough to take over some oil producing countries. Look at Iraq, 100s of billions spent there and I cannot think of one US oil company that has obtained an oil lease there.
I also found the statement concerning payments that the Saudi King made to his people strange. It inferred that the rights to the oil belonged to the US. Saudi Arabia can do what ever it wants to do with the oil income.
The real problem is that the US has been divided into 2 sides, a North and a South, just like the Civil War. The South (less liberal) wants energy at some environmental cost and the North (more liberal) wants to maintain an existence with no environmental impact at all. The North thinks that this environmental cost is too high and the South thinks that we will all starve if this price is not paid.
In reality, the amount of oil I use to heat my home and run my car is inconsequential in comparison to the amount of energy used to run industry, keep me employed and grow my food.
Industry and farming spends every waking hour trying to lower costs and by definition, energy usage.
Thus, I vote for more drilling until such time as we find alternate sources of energy to fulfill our needs. If we never find those sources of energy welcome to the 1800s and the population that it could support.
Before the banks crashed in the US during the 30s anyone who withdrew their money from the banks and “hid it under the mattress” was very rich after the crash. Now it seems governments are about to confiscate all cash in the banks or hidden in mattresses by means of hyper-inflation. The US via QE1,2,3…… is doing that in order to support deficit spending. Europe is making plans to do the same to support the illusion of government bond security. I might add they are not doing a very good job of it.
In the early 1900s what was yours was yours now through taxes and inflation what’s yours will become ours as we need it to support a failing system.It still looks like a toss up to me whether this will end in depression or hyper inflation. One thing I know, the people in power will do everything they can to remain in power and confiscate all the money that they can to do so.
To me, that means hyper inflation since depression allows people who withdrew their money from the system before it was too late to become the new rich and thus be in power.John here in the US 45% of the people pay no taxes and the really bad stuff is yet to come. So the question is, what can I buy that will be worth something in the future that the government will not be able to confiscate?
Steve and John I think that your discussion really centers around what will be the next currency when governments fail. Gold and Silver are the historical answers and they may well be worth something but in reality farm land and the supplies/animals needed to produce crops are the only real store of value when governments and economies collapse. After food, housing and warmth come next. Welcome to the 21st century. If you are lucky enough to live near some farmer that has more food than he needs then some sort of commerce or barter system start to commence. Now before you rush out an buy your 100 acres of farm land you have to realize that you will be the only source of revenue left to support federal,state and local governments so you better have a plan in place that will enable you to keep your land. Could ammunition be the next currency????
It is just not Greece that will suffer, every nation and state that needs to borrow money in order to pay their day to day bills will pay higher rates when lenders finally figure out that there is no way to guarantee repayment.
Most if not all social welfare programs will be ended as the central governments cede power to more local divisions of government. Of course the central governments will not give up without a fight, they will try inflate their debts away for a few years and blame greedy lenders for the nations problems.
Social welfare and education will again become a family and local responsibility.
So the Greeks are angry that there is no funding for a government whose policies are unsustainable, bo ho ! The exact same problem will confront Spain, Portugal and the US in the next few years. It is about time that the progressives come to grips with the fact that an unproductive society cannot be supported by the “Rich”. Socialism just does not work!!!!!
