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  • in reply to: New El Gallinazo on the Diner #3857

    skipbreakfast post=3463 wrote:

    Witnessing the wrath that RE brought down upon another commentator in TAE, I can only imagine what sort of fatwah will now be placed on my head. And here I thought we could have been friends.

    Oh, one more thing here. I did not START that Napalm Contest, Glennjeff did. I just used the Chicago Way once he pulled the first punch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZ6eaL3S2E

    To reiterate, I do not believe in Lynchings or Mob Justice. I am just in favor of a Legal System where the Punishment fits the Crime. English Common Law is not cutting the mustard here.

    RE
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    in reply to: Waste Based Society #3856

    william post=3479 wrote:

    The car brought us out of an area of sickness, disease, and plagues. Really? Yes really. I remember my old high school teacher talking about the good old days. “You think our town was like this back in the day? It was a seth pool of filth. Imagine ever person having one horse or more. Imagine ever street is graveled or more commonly dirty. As the horses move along they drop their waste. In those days streets were low and board walks built higher. Rain traveled to the streets. Literally in a heavy rain you could watch sewage travel by.”

    I remember reading once that had the automobile not been invented, London would have been hip deep in horse manure by 1900.

    However, the Animal and Human Waste disposal problem has been addressed better than the Western societies did it over in Asia, specifically in Japan. In the Shogun years, there were people who went around and collected all the waste to use as Fertilizer. In fact I think this is still done in other parts of Asia.

    In fact, any good permaculture system must recycle the waste this way, it makes for a complete cycle. One very good theory on how Agriculture developed was that H-Gs noticed that in their Waste Dump/Toilet locations many of the plants they ate grew the best. So they began purposefully planting in such locations.

    The Big Shities as they are designed today really cannot function using Animal Labor pulling carts around to do JIT delivery, so along with the Ring Roads and the McMansions, they are not sustainable without Oil. Smaller towns could be though, and part of making them livable and healthy places to live is the constant recycling and cleanup of the waste you generate by living. You can’t get behind on this, because if you do the waste will overwhelm you. As it has done here in spades during the Age of Oil.

    RE

    in reply to: Europe: A Thousand Miles Behind #3852

    JoeP post=3475 wrote:

    What choices does Germany have other than “accepting” the %50 deal? And I mean choices that would not cause a “derivatives event”.

    Send in Hanz and Franz and the rest of the Debt Collectors to Repo Sapin and Italy?

    Back up Hanz and Franz with some hardware from Bavarian Motor Works perhaps?

    If all else fails, I’m sure the chemists at IG Farben can come up with a Final Solution.

    RE

    in reply to: Europe: A Thousand Miles Behind #3849

    The most glaring weakness in bailing the Rain from Spain is that pesky “where’s the money gonna come from?” problem. The Chinese aren’t buying and Eurotrash buying from themselves is too obvious a circle jerk, which pretty much leaves Benny all by himself to take all of Europe as dog shit collateral for another $1T worth of funny money. Not sure what the reaction would be in CONgress to the idea of Bailing out all of Europe, but I can’t imagine it being all that positive.

    Which brings us right back to the circle jerk being the only implausible non-solution and the question of how long any credibility left can exist? Oh wait, there is no credibility left, so how far into negative credibility can you go? One can imagine here the EFSF levering up and funding this mess, then itself going belly up and needing a NEW Bailout from the next vehicle, the Super Terrific Ultra Providencial Insurance Disbursment (STUPID) fund issuing yet ANOTHER set of bonds to roll over the old ones.

    Meanwhile, out in the REAL world of Eurotrash, nobody’s got a job and nobody can afford to drive their Mercedes around Barcelona so why do they need Refineries in Eurotrashland anyhow? Close down a few more of those.

    Those Morton’s Forks sure are nasty, and no matter which way the Euro Clowns in Brussels go, they end up off the same cliff. They’ll get to the bottom first, but they won’t be alone for long. We’ll be right behind them.

    RE
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    in reply to: Waste Based Society #3847

    charlie1935 post=3469 wrote: Sorry to be argumentative RE but back in the 40s my buddy and I would always go around looking for empty soda pop bottles and we always got 2 cents apiece for them and a nickle for the quart size. So we could go to the movies on Sat. afternoon which cost 15 cents to get in. If we couldn’t find enough, we would always go behind the Crawfords grocery store where they kept them in pop cases and take what we needed to get us the 15 cents. Then go around front and cash them in. What we didn’t know was they knew what we were doing, but it was war time and they figured it was worth it.

    Charlie, I went over this in one of the comments. This was the “Deposit” system for bottles used early on, not the “Recycling” system for trash. Look up the comments a little ways for it.

    RE

    in reply to: New El Gallinazo on the Diner #3843

    Karpatok post=3466 wrote: I have just had a long reply expunged and evaporated into the aether on the part of probably Illargi since he seems to be the moderator. I do not appreciate this kind of censorship as my reply contained nothing censorius in the way of words or ideas. I do not know what it means to say that your session has expired. I did write a rather long piece and I think it was to the good but obviously the authorities here are very worried about free speech. That is a great disappointment and shows them following historical precedent. So what is the purpose of this blog then if all ideas cannot be expressed? isn’t it just a futile exercise similar to the chance of voting for tweedle dum and tweedle dee?

    KK, I would not necesarily ascribe the loss of your post to llargi or Ashvin or anytbody else in nomnal control of the TAE platform software. chances are is you got a “session expired” message when you posted it came because the Cookie which showed your browser to be connected to the sever had expired.

    This kind of shit can happen even to people who know how the system works like yours truly. I’ve lost many posts this way because I did not folow my OWN advice to everyone, which is to COMPOSE in Wordpad or another text editor and paste in your response to the upload box. Then if you hit “submit” and it does not take for one reason or another, you still have the copy and can resubmit by pasting and doing it again. After 2 or 3 attempts, if it is not taking you an be pretty sure your IP Addy has been Banned by the Admin running the software.

    Depending on how intensely you feel about a subject and how much you want to respond, on the occassions a ost gets lost this way you either rewrite or you don’t. Usually it is so frustrating you don’t, particularly if you wrote a long one.

    My sympathies here, BTDT, own the T-shirt. However, don’t blame Ilargi for it, it is probably not his fault.

    RE

    in reply to: Waste Based Society #3841

    I’ve written a follow up Part II to this article, Waste Based Society II: Vendor Financing & Planned Obsolescence

    Not yet up on the Diner Blog, I wrote it inside the Diner in the Frosbite Falls Daily Rant. I’ll have it up on the Blog also in a bit after I get it reformatted, but it’s open to read now for all inside the Diner.

    RE wrote:In this post I am going to move away from the Glass Bottles and Jars to the most glaring example of waste we have been engaged in for the last century or so since the first Model Ts rolled off Henry ford’s production line, the Automobile.

    Let’s begin with the Car itself. Marvelous invention it was, the Horseless Carriage. Put a lot of Horses out of work of course, but they were quickly recycled as Dog Food. With Gas priced cheaper than Oats and one Engine capable of doing the work of a Hundred Horses or more, nobody is going to stick with Horses except some really stubborn Amish who don’t even shave!

    So everybody enamored of progress and who ALSO wishes to actually SURVIVE in this new world of the Horseless Carriage wants one. You can’t compete if you have a Horse and Buggy and the next J6P has a Car and can get to the Jobsite faster than you can. If you are a Farmer, you can’t produce as much food as cheaply as the guy running a Tractor with your Team of Oxen. If you don’t get one of these New Fangled inventions, you are gonna be outta biz in no time, your farm Repoed and on your way to California with to pick the Grapes of Wrath with the rest of your Okie buddies…

    RE

    in reply to: New El Gallinazo on the Diner #3840

    That’s an interesting perspective SB, and actually one I understand pretty well. I myself have many problems with perspectives (other than my own of course 🙂 ) presented on the Diner, mostly in the Forum section where anybody can write whatever they please. I don’t edit, I don’t censor.

    When observing what is occurring on the “cross pollination” level between TAE and DD, here is my take on it. In particular, with the glaring difference of what you refer to as a “Holy War” , Ashvin has taken to referring to as the OOMP acronym and I usually call “the Inquisition”, generally sepaking Ashivn and I are are on the same page on many things.

    Ashvin certainly does not post up on TAE any articles where I go Ballistic on Pigmen, and frankly I myself don’t generally post them up on the DD Blog either. Those really Over the Top ideas are fodder for discussion around the Diner Tables, along with all the other really Outta da Box thinking that goes on in there.

    What Ashvin does choose to put up on TAE are the articles where there is congruence between the persepectives of the TAE audience and that of the DD audience. So, he put up my recent Waste Based Society article, and before that he put up one of Surly’s articles on the Political Movement of OWS, and also one of Peter’s on Hydroponics I think it was.

    Of all of us, Surly most fits well with the TAE perspective, he advocates for Non-Violent resistance all the time. Peter is a self sufficiency PROFESSIONAL, I do not think I have ever met anyone on the net with more knowledge than he has on these subjects or who realy applies them IRL to the extent he does. Yet at the same time, Peter has some VERY far out of the box Conspiracy concepts which he periodically drops on DD also. Does that make his Hydroponics stuff any less worthwhile or valid to read for TAE members?

    Ben, another of the DD Mod Squad and a member here of TAE as well has his own perspectives on Rewilding as a potential solution and means by which people might prepare for the hard times to come. I am currently taking Ben to task inside the Diner for not having all the moral, philosophical and religious implications of Rewilding well enough defined to make it long term viable. Such discussion fits on the Diner, but it does not fit too well here on TAE. there is CROSSOVER though.

    What you are asking Ashvin to do here is to ignore/not post ANYTHING from the DD because some of the Authors hold some ideas which are abhorrent to you. At the same time you do acknowledge some things we all write are worthwhile as well.

    In the end, you all can Pick and Choose what you read, here or on DD or elsewhere on the net. Editors liek Ashvin and myself can pick and choose also what we will drop onto our respective Blogs written by other Bloggers or Commenters. Who are YOU to say to anyone, “DON’T POST THEIR STUFF! It’s VILE!!” It’s a form of censorship dude, you are expressing what you believe is the Group Think here on TAE, and you may very well be correct in this idea. If so, you will get many pats on the back for suggesting that Cross Posting between DD and TAE STOPS.

    I personally do not think this is a good thing. I have participated on too many boards where Group Think so dominates a board that alternative perspectives cannot ever even be MENTIONED, much less discussed. Personally, I have been referred to on numerous occassions as “He who cannot be Named”, Beezlebub style. Like if anybody even MENTIONS RE, Satan will rend the Earth with Hellfire or something.

    Anyhow, in the end this is the decision of Ashvin, Ilargi and Stoneleigh to make. I am sure they are listening to your perspective on this, and I disagree with it so I counter your idea with this post.

    RE

    in reply to: Waste Based Society #3836

    Basseterre Kitona post=3457 wrote: Excellent post!

    Personally, I’ve always been enamoured with the old milk bottle delivery paradigm. The milkman would deliver fresh milk in glass bottles while simultaneously collecting the empties for re-use. Simple, brilliant…yet curiously abandoned.

    Abandoned for the same reasons Doctors don’t make Housecalls anymore. Its way more efficient to have one big reefer truck deliver to a central Hub Walmart/Safeway etc where all the consumers go to pick up their Milk. It would take many more Milk Truck drivers to zip around the ring roadsdelivering Milk bottles to all the McMansions.

    The Doctors never leave their Medical Offices because its too time consuming travelling to see Patients. They can stack them up like cordwood in the waiting room and make a lot more money.

    Even better yet, if I’m going to eat in the dining room at the McD’s then why not serve the burger & drink with washable plates & cups? And before you dismiss this as completely crazy, I’d like to point out that the A&W fast food restaurants still serve their famous root beer in hefty glass mugs which diners return before leaving. In other words, it can be done.

    Fast food restaurants mostly dispensed with washable dishware because it is again more labor intensive and costly. You need real Busboys and Dishwashers, not just a counter girl who steps out to throw away some trash the patrons leave on the tables. There is also Breakage involved and more Hardware, aka electric Dishwashers. You also have costs involved in heating up the water to wash the dishes., and if soebody gets salmonella poisoning and your dishes weren’t clean enough, you have big lawsuit coming your way.

    So anyhow, you can still eat on real Plates if you will pay a few extra dollars for the priviledge at pricier restaurants.

    RE

    in reply to: Waste Based Society #3835

    unit42 post=3455 wrote: I agree with the thesis, but I have to correct a detail here: Glass bottles were indeed washed out and reused. I used to collect those bottles as a kid and sell them for a couple of cents up to a nickel each (depending on the brand). When the bottles were chipped at the top, they were rejected, as they could not be reused. At least, that’s what the buyers would all say.

    What you are refering to was nott the Recycling scheme, but Bottles with a 5 cent Deposit on them. If you brought those back to the store or distributor, you got back a Nickel for each bottle. Eventually though they all became “No Deposit, No Return”.

    Also gang, my apologies for all the Typos in there. I was a little sloshed on Sam Adams and my keyboarding got a little sloppy. 😀

    RE

    in reply to: Welcome to the No-Growth Paradigm #3827

    TheTrivium4TW post=3449 wrote: That coupled with humanity’s misplaced greed, of course.

    RE, the “Architects” not only are aware that collapse is coming, they knew it would come in 1913! The *engineered* in the collapse phase – the collapse is just as important as the preceding bubble for their societal asset stripping model.

    “Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientific one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, The Economic Pinch, 1921.)

    Triv, has it ever occurred to you that I’ve read all the quotes from Charlie Lindbergh, Andy Jackson, Benny Disraeli, Hank Ford, Woody Wilson et al exposing the nature of this scam hundreds of times already? You write in a lecturing style that presupposes everyone who is reading your posting has never been aware of or exposed to the concept of how money works or how debt works. Most of us here have been over this stuff many times already, although not everyone draws precisely the same conclusions of course.

    I’ll give you an example here in your own rant.

    Triv wrote:
    They know, RE, EXACTLY what they have done, are doing and will do.

    More for those in real control, the Architect class and those minions they choose to keep by their side, and less for everyone else.

    Much less.

    The collapse is part of their strategy to take trillions upon trillions in real property value (today’s dollars) from unsuspecting sheeple who will have NO IDEA they have been conned by Debt Money Tyrants.

    If this is/was the Plan, IMHO these folks screwed up Big Time already. The Asset worth anything was Oil, and its mostly been burned up here and now exists only as CO2 in the atmosphere. They can’t repo it, they can’t asset strip it. The assets the Oil built are no longer assets, they are liabilities now. Bridges and roads that need repair, a failing electric grid people cannot afford, McMansions that are unlivable without the automobile and power to run them.

    So if this was their Plan, they fucked up big time.

    On the other hand, if the Plan was to royally screw up the environment and create a massive population overshoot so they could sit in a Bunker, eat Popcorn and watch people Die on the Big Screen TV, they succeeded admirably with that Plan.

    This monetary system, as was true of all of them since they evolved past the Counting House stage was designed to sieve wealth into a few hands for so long as it could be maintained and the people bought the system. No different really than the monetary system run by the House of Medici in the Middle Ages or that run by the Romans in their time. Just somewhat bigger in scale and complexity is all.

    Like all such systems also, it is fundamentally flawed on a mathematical level and eventually does collapse on itself. Anyone who understands this tries to time out when it happens or inititate it if they are in enough power to do so, but in order to emerge with real assets at the end of it, they actually gotta BE there to take. You also have the effect that War takes over as a means of Wealth acquisiton once the onetary system fails also. So you try to engineer yourself into a position where you run the War rather than fight in it.

    Again, our Illuminati Masters have been quite good at that also over the Millenia, the difference again this time which was the case in Rome is that the Military will fracture here as each side bombs refineries and Oil production facilities out of existence.

    So, the Final Outcome remains unclear here as of now. To me, the most likely outcome is a One to the many break up of Global networks and then the nation States into much smaller entities. This will of course not happen overnight and until the Big Ass Military and all its hardware really is down at the bottom of Davey Jones Locker, we will have soe serious Fascism around here to deal with. It will not last in perpetuity though, not IMHO. There will be a massive and nearly simultaneous failure of all the Conduits, and at that time the Balance of Power will shift in a 10.0 Earthquake on the Richter Scale. When that time comes, and come it will, we just have to be READY for it, and take the Once in a Millenia CHANCE you get to take back the Earth from the Forces of Evil. That is when you don’t just get MAD, you get EVEN.

    RE
    https://www.doomsteaddiner.org

    in reply to: Welcome to the No-Growth Paradigm #3822

    I don’t think a “No Growth Paradigm” is the right label here, because it indicates a stability at this level. What is really true is that we are in a Contraction or Shrinkage Paradigm now. Zero Interest rates aren’t good enough in this paradigm, you need NEGATIVE interest rates to represent what is really going on.

    Who however wants to loan money out at a negative rate of interest? This means I PAY you something to take out a loan from me. An the biggest scale this actually is occurring where German Bunds have a negative real rate of interest, and investors pay to loan money to Germany for the perceived safety of that loan. They figure to lose less that way per annum than they would otherwise.

    Contraction places a much greater strain on the economic system than No Growth or Stagnation does. You can tread water for a while with No Growth, but Contraction sucks all the money out of circulation since nothing is a good investement and you can only lose money if you loan it out. So if you got some, you HOARD it, which is what all the TBTF Banks and Corporations are doing here. No matter how much Helicopter Ben prints, it doesn’t get lent out into the real economy. It gets pushed into speculative Bubbles, which either implode slowly like Oil or crash rapidly like Facepalm. It still never makes it into the real economy.

    TPTB haven’t come to grips with the reality of contraction, and so keep making attempts at fixing through Growth paradigms that don;t work anymore. Until we abandon the idea of Growth and figure out ways to Shrink a bit less painfully, we are in BIG TROUBLE.

    RE
    https://www.doomsteaddiner.org

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3816

    Glennjeff post=3438 wrote: Have you considered seeking professional help RE?

    I don’t need any professional help. I can return your napalm quite well on my own, especially when you drop a target like that down in a post.

    RE

    in reply to: If you love your kids, stop the bond bonanza #3812

    pipefit post=3375 wrote:
    Regarding RE’s comment on energy, he must be unaware of the magnitude of the recent natural gas discoveries in the USA. We are definitely going to come out of this a lot better off than any where else.

    No doubt, after we frack the NG out to run Carz refitted to run on it, we will do just fine driving a few hundred miles each day to find potable water.

    This of course comes after JPMC issues credit to SOMEBODY to do the Fracking and MORE credit to Fracking everybody else to buy said Fracking Gas so they can continue to drive their Fracking SUVs all over the Fracking Suburbs.

    Why is it that I remian Fracking Unconvinced that this Fracking Shit will work? Is it just me?

    RE
    https://www.doomsteaddiner.org

    Sloshing Water in the Sinking Euro Titanic now up on the Diner Blog.

    …Everybody on board knows the boat is sinking, but nobody wants to Jump Ship here, particularly since those Tiny Lifeboats named Drachma, Lira, Pesetas, Punts etc don’t look like they will hold up too long in such rough Seas. Everybody wants to get aboard the Lifeboat with the Swissie Cross painted on the front, but that one looks too overloaded already. Other folks want to get on the Golden Lifeboat, with the small problem that Gold doesn’t Float too well. Others wait for the Krauts to build a D-Mark Lifeboat, except only Krauts will be allowed on board that one if they build it in time….

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3808

    Glennjeff post=3424 wrote:

    By the way, Ultra high IQ measured in negative imaginary numbers, Ultra tiny penis, diverse high distinction education blowing my Professors at Cambridge, multi talented bottom boy, wealthy in debt money and a successful long term marriage to my sister.

    Fixed that for you.

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3797

    I got the sentence structure dimwit. The point of your whole 2 sentence post was to undermine everything written through an ad hom attack on the author, yours truly. You made ZERO worthwhile contribution to the disucssion and you drop in at the end to declare one of the authors a Religious Fanatic less worthwhile to debate than a drunk, and you insinuate that Ashvin is a fool for getting dragged into the debate.

    Man, I have gone up against trolls on TBP who pull this kind of jackass stupidity every day as a means to disrupt valid discussion; and you are an amateur at it. You threw the first punch here and if you were capable of reading for comprehension you would know by now I have about ZERO interest in making peace with brain dead morons who make such attacks. Take your ad hom argument and stick it where the sun don’t shine.

    Have a Nice Day.

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3794

    Agreed. We have covered this pretty well. Ialso think it has been very productive and illuminating. LOL.

    Call it a Stalemate. We’ll cross swords again another day.

    RE

    pipefit post=3411 wrote:

    Ash said, “Exactly, a cliff – meaning, many of those payments won’t be made. Defaults on obligations = hyperinflation? I think not.”

    Sorry, sir, but that is absolutely preposterous. The entire edifice (including the dollar) will fail before they stop sending out social security checks. If you don’t understand that, you don’t grasp the very basics of American politics. I suppose you could argue that there will be a military coup, and a suspension of the constitution, , but in that case they won’t need dollars to pay the workers in the concentration camps.

    Continue passing out of SS checks doesn’t equal HI. Da Goobermint isn’t passing out enough Free Money to J6P to buy what is being sold. What is happening instead is production is being shut in. Overall, the transmission mechanism of moving money created by the banks and Goobermint through the loaning process has been broken. More and more people have fewer and fewer dollars to spend. All Da goobermint here is doing (and just barely) is providing a SNAP Card system that just about allows people to buy the food they need to live. Again, this does not HI make.

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3789

    Glennjeff wrote:
    Ash,

    You appear to be arguing with a religious fanattic, less productive than arguing with a drunk, and all this time I doubted you for being hyper-rational. My Bad.

    First you insult me by calling me a “religious fanatic” and a “drunk”, then you insult Ashvin for engaging in dialogue with me. At least when SB dropped in on this debate, he contributed something worthwhile. You just throw two sentences worth of low quality Napalm.

    You wanna do some name-calling here? OK, fine. Scum sucking imbeciles like you give trolling a bad name. Go fuck yourself.

    Ashvin wrote: Some of us don’t want to be stuck in a perpetual cycle of brutal Chess Games, believe it or not. Implicit in your analogy is the fact that, even if we use our few pieces to make the desperate moves that prolong the game, the game will simply continue, except now you will have two sets of pieces that are vying for global dominance through bloody warfare, and neither one of them will be good for the rest of us who are sitting by and watching it all go down, even though they will both CLAIM to be.

    What you want is not a part of this. When an apple falls from a tree, it follows a path accelerating downward in a very predictable manner. Homo Sapiens is a little more complicated, but follows patterns that are quite predictable also, just like gravity. All you have to do is look at history without being encumbered by what you “want” coloring your perspective.

    A dinosaur may want to be a bird with feathers and warm blood, but it doesn’t happen overnight. Nor is Homo Sapiens going to evolve overnight into some Higher Organism that doesn’t have the behaviors described so well by history. if I am going to produce a General Theory of Relativity, I am going to try to make it fit the facts. What I write fits the facts. Live with it.

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3774

    Reverse Engineer post=3392 wrote:
    I am just being Realistic and carefully observing Human Behavior and making the best of a bad situation.

    RE

    One addititon here with respect to REALISM, as opposed to Spiritual or 5th Dimension arguments here.

    When I play a Chess Game, I do not rely on Prayer or Spirituality or 5th Dimension thinking to WIN the Game. I look for the WEAKNESSES in the position of my opponent, when I find them I go in for the KILL.

    I am no Gary Kasparov by any means, and maybe Gary is so good because he does have access to Spiritual Chess algorithms in his mind, I don’t know HTF anybody could be that good without such. I do not have access to that though, I just work in the 4D world I know and mostly do OK with just that amount of knowledge. I achieved Master Level in my teens just by playing many games and memorizing the most successful openings and variations. But I never got so good as to be Grand Master, you really have to devote yourself to the game for that and at this point if you walk that road it probably does have a Spiritual aspect. You literally must LIVE for Chess to be a Grand Master.

    For the argument in play here, the pont here is this. I do not work in the world of Spirituality or the 5th Dimension. I am a VERY practical person who observes how games are Won and Lost. When I commit to the Chessboard, I commit to do my best to WIN, and I use the tools at my disposal, my analytical mind mostly in this case and my memory, which is a pretty good one overall

    History as it has played out is like a bunch of Chess Openings to me. This particular Game is long running here, approaching if not already in the End Game. You wanna win this game on an assymetric board with different pieces for Black and White still left in Play? You cannot do it by conventional means, and you certainly will not win if you do not take some risks.

    The whole history of Homo Sapiens on Earth is one of EXTREME levels of Violence, through all recorded History that is true and you cannot deny it. If you are not prepared to do Violence when it becomes necessary to Win, you just will not WIN.

    Who pulled the First Punch here? Who ASKED for the Battle? Not J6P. J6P just wanted to live in his nice McMansion with the White Picket Fence and a nice Pension that was PROMISED to him if he played by the Rules. Now the Rules Carpet has been pulled from under J6P, and so the final battle here for ALL the Marbles in the End Game commences thusly. So be it here, if that is what the Illuminati playing Black want, then that is what we shouldl give them playing White in this Game, and most surely NOT take any Prisoners either, because the Illuminati playing Black will not,

    White got eaten up here in the early game, and we do not have much left to play with, nostly we just still have more Pawns on the Board. BUT, if we can get just ONE of those Pawns to the 8th Rank, we can Queen that Pawn, and then another after that one.

    In a Chess Game on 64 squares with 8 pawns each, not too many Queens are possible usually. In a world of 6.9B Pawns and .1B Illuminati though? Another game entirely.

    Time has come to Queen some Pawns left in this Game now. Time has come to Play to WIN! Forkk and Pin! Feignt and Misdiirect! Capture Space! Coordinate your ATTACK NOW! Before it is TOO LATE.

    PLAY TO WIN!

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3769

    ashvin post=3390 wrote: [quote=Reverse Engineer post=3386]Anyhow, Biblical intepretation and philosophy of referencing aside here, do you still make the case Stalin was worse than the Romanoffs?

    I think it is useless to try and determine which nasty dictators
    were “worse” than which other ones over time. By % of population killed per year of rule (assuming the deaths largely resulted from the ruler’s policies), Stalin is probably the worst to have ever lived. There are obviously other measures of Evilness, though.

    By % of population this is highly unlikely, since I am quite sure Octavian and most certainly Caligula and Nero wiped out greater percentages of the population Rome was controlling, not to mention explicitly enslaving more people also. Uncle Joe just gets a real bad rpe because he was so recent.

    Then of course you also have Vlad the Impaler, who at one point stuck something like 10,000 people all staked out around the Castle. Not even Uncle Joe was THAT in your face. Not sure the total population Vlad was working with, but my bet is he would beat Stalin out by % figures also in a few short years of rule.

    I disagree that is is “useless” to make this analysis, because it represents real history of Homo Sapiens, and you gotta get a good handle on how these dynamics operate in reality, not in some fantasy world you would like to see come true.

    It would be JMHO that the current Oligarchy running the show ALREADY beats Uncle Joe by an Order of Magnitude. These folks are operating Globally, destroying the ecosystem and are no doubt ultimately responsible for 10s of millions of deaths already, and in the next few years should work into the Billions at astounding speed if a stop isn’t put to their level of destruction. Vlad the Impaler would be an Improvement and Uncle Joe a positive CUPCAKE compared to these folks.

    Like I said before, I do not think our goal here should be to commit less evil than the really evil guys when it’s all said and done. Replacing one set of evil people with a slightly less evil set of people is not some big accomplishment for humanity in my book.

    Disagreed. You are not going to work your way back to the Perfect World in a single step here, and Less Evil is better than Great Evil. You have to be a bit realistic here and take into account the realities of human history and human behavior. These things will not change overnight, so when presented with two bad alternatives, you take the one which is less worse.

    I am just being Realistic and carefully observing Human Behavior and making the best of a bad situation.

    RE

    Welcome back Stoneleigh. I’m the new Troll here. :woohoo:

    Greece is going down here for sure, but of course it won’t stop with Greece either. Let’s let Ben Lichtenstein make the call one more time.

    Here they come to Sell ’em AGAIN!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrxlVjZJawQ&feature=player_embedded

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3764

    ben post=3382 wrote:

    Bring In The Genghis Man!

    Ghengis Khan is actually a pretty good example here, so I’ll throw him in with Fidel as not such a bad Dictator. GK gets a real bad rap for all the death, destruction, raping and pillaging his Mongol Horde engaged in, but you do have to remember that prior to Ghengis getting all the nomadic Tribes organized, they were being eaten alive by expanding agrarian culture, particularly in China.

    Far has his own Mongols were concerned, Ghengis was a pretty good Dictator even by History Book standards. From Wiki:

    Wikipedia wrote:
    Beyond his military accomplishments, Genghis Khan also advanced the Mongol Empire in other ways. He decreed the adoption of the Uyghur script as the Mongol Empire’s writing system. He also promoted religious tolerance in the Mongol Empire, and created a unified empire from the nomadic tribes of northeast Asia. Present-day Mongolians regard him as the founding father of Mongolia.[8]

    I am NOT saying Ghengis Khan was a particularly nice guy overall, but he certainly had some Good qualities, not the least of which was that he didn’t take any shit from the Chinese 🙂

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3763

    ashvin post=3384 wrote:
    A theory is not bits and pieces of evidence, and it does not have the luxury of being internally inconsistent yet still valid.

    Well, in same Matthew chapter, before the quote in question, Jesus said the following

    Matthew wrote: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Emphasis mine.

    So Jesus specifies you go to Hell if you are angry without cause, but he doesn’t say what happens if you do have cause to be angry. I would say we have cause to be angry here. Also in terms of internal consistency, this whole passage seems inconsistent to me anyhow.

    Also, I HAVE acknowledged many of the flaws and inconsistencies I see in Biblical writings, including various Miracles, the age of Methuselah etc and I could add to that the descripition of Earth creation and the timeline of Homo Sapiens.

    You can make the case that all this is internally consistent, but it is still IMHO flawed so the theory as a whole falls apart anyway.

    Anyhow, Biblical intepretation and philosophy of referencing aside here, do you still make the case Stalin was worse than the Romanoffs?

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3762

    ashvin post=3383 wrote:

    I may even dedicate a topic to this issue on DD in the near future, just to finally squash all of this Icke nonsense from you and El G.

    Wow! That sounds like fun!

    You better drop it in the Smokehouse Barbecue. Its going to end up there anyhow.

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3754

    This is not true. If I have ever quoted someone to a support a worldview or theory that misrepresents the totality of their own view, I would like you to point it out to me, because that would be a very misleading thing to do.

    I never said you did that Ashvin. I merely pointed out that you Pick and Choose the quotes and text you wish to use in an argument. It’s selective.

    Similarly, I select out quotes from the Bible which support my arguments, for instance the Revelation 18 quote I used above. I don’t think I am misrepresenting it to say that represents a description of a monetary system collapse, do you?

    Far as what God’s Will actually is here, in totality it is somewhat difficult to elucidate it completely from the Bible. I am big on the Hellfire aspect though and Jesus did say:

    Jesus wrote: 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

    So what if the Illuminati are the “right eye” that Jesus is talking about here?

    Anyhow, analogies of the Bible to the General Theory of Relativity are pretty good, because neither one has been shown to be definitively true. You can still go in and pick apart General Relativity Theory, and you can use parts of it to justify other proofs without the entire thing being correct as well.

    Point is, regardless of how consistent you think the Bible is or has been “proven” to be, it is not incumbent on anyone except a Fundy Christian who takes every last word written there as the Word of God to believe the whole thing or use the whole thing either. Nor do you have to use the entirety of a post by Ambrose Evans Pritchard to demonstrate what a Nincompoop he is. Usually one or two paragraphs of his stuff does that quite well these days.

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3751

    ashvin post=3370 wrote: [quote=Reverse Engineer post=3350]As to a comparative numerical accounting goes of whether more Innocents were sent to the Great Beyond by Uncle Joe Stalin or the Romanoff family going back to Peter the Great, I can’t answer that for sure, but I would bet on a percentage of population basis at any given time the Romanoffs were responsible for more deaths than Stalin was.

    You want to compare the deaths over a time period of 250 years to a time period of a little over 10? When considering deaths resulting from famine, estimates say that Stalin presided over anywhere from 30-60 million over the course of 12 years.

    No, I specifically said “on a percentage of population basis at any given time”. In this way you normalize for the greater Population base Uncle Joe had around to send to the Great Beyond. In the time of Peter the Great, there were only around 14M TOTAL in Russia. In Catherine’s time, around 23M.

    Now, in the late 1700, numerous Plagues ran through Russia, resultant generally from warfare that the Tsars were always engaged in. From Wiki on the 1770s Plague

    The Russian plague epidemic of 1770—1772, also known as the Plague of 1771, was the last massive outbreak of plague in central Russia, claiming between 52 and 100 thousand lives in Moscow alone (1/6 to 1/3 of its population).[1] The bubonic plague epidemic that originated in the Moldovan theatre of the 1768–1774 Russian-Turkish war in January 1770 swept northward through Ukraine and central Russia, peaking in Moscow in September 1771 and causing the Plague Riot. The epidemic reshaped the map of Moscow, as new cemeteries were established beyond the 18th century city limits.

    Ruskies were dieing all over the place during the Reign of the Romanoffs. Famine, Plague, War & Death, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse just about non-stop for 150 years or so. Pogroms on a regular basis. Cossacks riding the countryside murdering and raping willy nilly. You think Stalin was worse than that? He was a cupcake compared to the Romanoffs.

    Of course you believe your analogy works better… it is YOUR plan after all.

    Picking analogies that don’t work for the plan would be counterproductive 🙂

    Why is your burden of proof to only show that counter-productive genocide is not INEVITABLE under your plan all of a sudden? As long as there is a 1 in 10 million chance that it will work without producing those horrible results

    Nah, I don’t think the Odds are that bad. 10,000:1 worst case scenario IMHO. Better Odds than continuing down the current pathway in any event.

    even stuff like exorcisms, designed to dispense with the Evil forces that have occupied people.

    I am all for the Exorcism idea.

    I think you are being overly dismissive of this approach, because their is CLEARLY a spiritual element to what’s going on here with the NWO elites. Any plan to stop them or get rid of them must take that into account.

    I don’t see any reason a dual attack cannot be made here, both on the Spiritual end and Terrestrial based one. The more force brought to bear here the better. I’m all for enlisting the aid of paranormal Psychics and Scanners also.

    in deference to perhaps sensitive TAE readers, I did NOT pick the Exploding Head shots

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3746

    skipbreakfast post=3366 wrote:

    Ultimately, our debate comes full circle. I intervened upon K’s question to you: “name the evil masterminds behind this mess.” My answer was there were none–not in the sense K was suggesting. You insist there are such evil masterminds. But when asked how we begin making them pay, I pointed out that you can’t just eliminate one, 100, or 1000, because more just pop up in their place. The hydra as you aptly put it. And I point out that we then devolve into an endless blame game against a fantasy hydra where nobody wins–you cannot eliminate the evil masterminds through targeted violence because there are no evil masterminds per se (or conversely they are infinite and just as elusive as a result). So they’re a fantasy. If it’s systemic, the whole “system” is responsible and must be changed.

    Agreed, the whole system must be changed, and in order to do that the best way is to take out the Motherboard of the Old System. Can’t run any system without the Controllers.

    I do not agree the Hydra is a Fantasy in this case, there are REAL PEOPLE running this show, they are not fictions or fantasy. They can be identified, they can be targeted. They are not fictitious Boogeymen, they EXIST in reality. It is evident in all the systems we run, it is evident through History as well.

    As to whether more will pop up into place after the current set is identified, perhaps they will, although IMHO with a comprehensive extermination plan that will take a while before it occurs again. When they do pop up again, you send them to the same place you sent the last bunch. Straight to HELL.

    Come with me if you want to LIVE!

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3743

    Hello SB, go way back up the thread here to what you yourself wrote:

    Skipbreakfast wrote: What about our own individual responsiblity in this whole mess? We’re voters. We’re consumers. We have free will. I don’t want to blame the victim. But I also want to avoid wasting time on blaming Puff the Magic Dragon.

    Despite your really GOOD Hansel and Gretel analogy, the words you wrote above are a common idea circulating that it is each little J6P who is individually responsible here, not the Big Boys at the top. You “don’t want to blame the victim”, but you DO blame the victim!

    You also write

    That is different than the genesis of this debate: are there evil mastermind villains at the very top who should be captured and beheaded?

    First off, I don’t think that is the genesis of the debate at all. IMHO, it would be better phrased as “What is the best way to handle our current problems which will Save the most Innocents and Punish the Most Guilty”.

    Far as how many Mastermind Villains there are at the Top, of this we cannot be sure right now. We can be sure there are some though, because we are working in a Central control Top down paradigmfor a very long time here. There IS a Brain to this Beast, even if it is distributed across many Heads (which off course all need to roll like Bowling Balls 🙂 )

    In terms of systemic Evil here, yes there is an emergent property of the system no one individual participant is responsible for, but overall the system cannot continue once you remove its Head (or Heads as the case may be here). If you identify the controlling source of any system, say the motherboard of your laptop and fry it, POOF the whole system of your computer won’t run any more! Same deal here. By targetting the Motherboard here of system controllers at the Top, we get rid of the system in the most efficient means possible.

    Again, this is really about Accountability, and who is most Responsible and Culpable? Clearly it is those folks with great Wealth and Power who have been running the show and pulling the strings of Political Power, across Generations for sure and likely across Millenia. Take them out, system goes Blue Screen of Death on the Laptop.

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3741

    skipbreakfast post=3361 wrote: Our sheer numbers can effect a lot of change without building a single goddamn guillotine.

    “Change you can BELIEVE in”, eh Obama-sama?

    Sorry Pollyanna, the time is long past where any effective change will come here via peaceful means. Right now, the Gestapo has the Monopoly on the Violence and will use it to crush all opposition. When people start dieing on the streets like the 4 Dean in Ohio on the campus of Kent State University, maybe you will grasp hold of reality here. This go round it won’t just be 4 dead either, and there won’t be any Great Society program to buy off the impoverished either.

    I GUARANTEE you that the Wolves will strike hard and they will strike fast. Your friends who Peacefully protest will go desaparecido. Your Bank Account will go empty. Your property if its worth anything at all will be confiscated. The Boxcars will start moving along the rail of the Burlington-Northern Railroad of Warren Buffet heading for the Human Waste Reprocessing Facility in San Antonio. You don’t think it can happen here? Open your eyes SB, it’s happening as we speak, the Patriot Act , NDAA, the stink of Fascism is all around us.

    If you don’t start closing ranks now you will be eaten alive, whether you are fast with a Gun or not. If you play by the Rules with these folks, they will carve you up like Thanksgiving Turkey. They play DIRTY, and I for one will not wait to get kicked in the cojones first here. The first shot has already been fired, first punch thrown already in this fight, and numerous of the Wildebeests already have been sent to the Great Beyond. Time to get serious here and grasp hold of what is happening AS WE SPEAK. It’s not going to stop until those at the top are in fear of their very LIVES here. Right now your willingness to play by the rules is what keeps them in power. Clearly for you it will take more before you realize this, but eventually this will arrive on your doorstep also and you’ll get the picture, I am sure.

    Endorsing roving militias in search of the ephemeral villains behind this financial mess is not the only way, and is not the best way either. Indeed, chasing ghosts is just going to shed a lot of [strike]unnecessary[/strike] necessary blood. We should focus our energies for more productive gains.

    Fixed that for you 😉

    The Villains are NOT “ephemeral”. I can name any number of them right now. Lloyd, Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, Bob Diamond, Ben Bernanke, Carl icahn, Ollie Rehn, Herman von Rompuy, David Rockefeller…..shall I go on here? Those are only the obvious ones also, ferreting out the shadow figures will take a good deal of time as well. Until all these cockroaches are exterminated, we can’t productively solve any problems, because THEY are the problem here. If it was good enough just to lock them up and throw away the key I would be fine with that, except that won’t work and costs too much anyhow. I certainly do not want to pay for keeping these Scumbags alive in some prison, no matter how stinking rotten a dungeon it is. They just gotta GO, and since they have no issues with sending entire populations to the Great Beyond, I do not see where it is morally reprehensible to reward them Justly for this behavior.

    An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth.

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3738

    The problem with opposing mob rule once the mob gets rolling is the “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” phenomenon. You don’t run the other way into a stampede. You run WITH the stampede. You either are with the Wildebeests or the Woves, there are no other choices.

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3736

    skipbreakfast post=3356 wrote: The debate is an interesting game of dialectical chess…or British bulldog…not sure which. Of course, the irony is that TAE has predicted all along the rise of angry mobs intent on cutting off the heads of their oppressors. It’s part of the unwind that TAE has been warning about, and so far with tremendous accuracy (if without tremendous accuracy of timing). And so, here Ash is trying to convince RE of the error of RE’s desires/agenda while at the same time I’m sure Ash will also admit that we are going to inevitably see these very same agendas carried out the world over.

    Therein lies the hypocrisy of course. You KNOW what is coming down the pipe here, it’s a cycle which has repeated itself over any times. If you know first off that it is going to occur, and second off how it will likely manifest itself, best bet is to be proactive and take control of the situation. If the Mob is going to form up, then at least try to point the Mob in the right direction so mainly the right people get Strung Up. Will said STAMPEDING MOB trample over Innocents as well? No doubt, but pointed in the right direction the Mob will MOSTLY STOMP, KICK and GORE the PIGMEN!

    Regardless, what I see all over the net is a Blame Reversal game being played here, it’s J6Ps fault for LETTING this happen, for ELECTING the criminals and for BUYING the Iphones and for going into DEBT for the McMansions. You only have YOURSELVES to blame, those PIGMEN are no more GUILTY than you are! Leave them alone and Pay your Taxes! Play by the Rules! Turn the Other Cheek.

    NO. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

    Bring on the Orkin Man.

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    in reply to: If you love your kids, stop the bond bonanza #3735

    Growth is not something you “decide”, it’s something you work for. And even that will only work AFTER you pay off your debt, once that debt has crossed a critical mass limit. We’re way past that limit.

    Actually, for the last 2 centuries, growth resulted from the work done through the combustion of fossil fuels. The debt incurre3d here is NEVER being paid off, and even AFTER mass repudiation and default of Odious Debt, there STILL will be no growth coming donw the pipe here.

    So as far as the future of your grandchildren are concerned, the numbers being bandied about here are meaningless now. Their fate is sealed regardless of what is done with the banks. The world is headed for a low per capita energy footprint, and that means what we consider the grinding poverty of the 3rd world everywhere, except probably worse since there will be extensive population die off in the Big Shities.

    The Party is OVER, the Keg is EMPTY. No Beer left for your Grandchildren.

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3732

    ben post=3353 wrote:

    Considering “drawing on Spiritual energies” to combat the Forces of Evil, here you are starting to sound like Ben expecting to get an answer from the 5th Dimension. What you are saying in essence is that we should all just PRAY together here, and Kumbaya all will be well. I don’t buy this as a solution, as you say people are Praying RIGHT NOW for this insanity to end, but it AIN’T ENDING. I suggest a more terrestrial based approach and will leave the Spirit world to you and the 5th Dimension to Ben.

    I also found that to be a deeply inconsistent suggestion by ash. naturally he will claim otherwise, but implicit in the claim will probably be a judgement that’s not his to make. you have compelled me to raise a couple points of contention, RE. firstly, I don’t expect an answer from 5D (multiversal consciousness) because what framing I have of such a conception with regard to collapse doesn’t include an implicit expectation nor an explicit question. secondly, it is my understanding that a time- and terrestrial- based approach (4D) cannot be separated from 5D if consciousness is believed to be immaterial – and I take it you do.

    Personally, I thought drawing the analogy between the Spiritual Battle Ashvin outlined and your 5th Dimension arguments was a FABULOUS rhetorical flourish on my part. By lining up his thought process with that of his most avout enemies and showing how they are simliar, it does a great job of undermining the argument. :silly:

    Far as separation of approaches goes, I do not have a real good handle on what goes on in the 5th Dmension so I do not know what can or cannot be separated out here. I make all my arguments from inside the 4 dimensions I have a reasonably good handle on, though of course many people view me as Looney tunes even inside just those 4 dimensions anyhow. I do TRY to follow your supra-dimensional arguments to see how they apply in the 4D world I am familiar with, sometimes I see what you are talking about but honestly most times I do not.

    Nor do I see of course how PRAYING this all will stop and raising Spiritual Consciousness will clean up Fuk-U-shima or prevent further FUs from occurring. Bogus “solution”. Isn;t working now, hasn’t worked in the past, is ulikely to work in the future.

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3730

    ashvin post=3351 wrote:
    Similarly, I do not think you can pick and choose what you think is literal and what you think is parable from the authors of the Biblical texts, just because some things jive with what you believe and some things don’t. With regards to Jesus and his words/action, either the Gospels of his apostles were right or wrong – but they said what they meant and meant what they said. I do not believe we can do this.

    Of course we can pick and choose what to use and what not to use in an argument. You do it every time you write an article here and snippet out quotes from other authors. To support your arguments, you select out quotes from other Bloggers who have a smilar POV or take on the situation you do. To undermine the opposition, you select out quotes which are so egregiously STUPID they make the opposition look ridiculous.

    Why should the Bible be any different? Because it is ostensibly the Word of God? There are MANY authors who contributed to the Bible, consider them the Bloggers of their time. Some of them may have truly been Prophets inspired by Divine Direction guiding their Keyboard Fingers, others may simply have been tools of a particular faction seeking to get it’s agenda into the Christian Party Platform. Did they REALLY BELIEVE what they were writing? HTF do I know? They may have just been Propagandists for a particular spin.

    The best I can do is to read the Bible with a critical eye and try to glean what Truth there is in it, and I do think there is a lot of Truth written therein. All Truth though? I doubt it sincerely. I don’t think Methuselah lived for 900 years. I don’t think Jesus of Nazareth was born to a Virgin. The accounting of the collapse of Babylon though as accounted in the Book of Revelation? Almost certainly true, because we are seeing it happen all over again now.

    Revelation18 wrote:
    1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

    2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

    3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

    4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

    6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

    7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

    8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

    9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

    10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

    11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

    12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

    13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

    14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

    15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

    16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

    17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

    18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

    19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

    20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

    21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

    22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

    23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    I will respond to the rest of your move when it makes its way to the LCD screen of my Laptop.

    RE

    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3728

    Ashvin wrote:

    Your question actually has two different meanings, but I will go ahead and answer both of them.

    1) According to Christianity and the Bible, Jesus was LITERALLY the Son of God, which is really the equivalent of God Himself. I absolutely do not believe that the New Testament Gospels were documenting the life of a normal human being that existed in history. They were not using metaphors or anything like that when they described the miracles he performed.

    2) As to my personal beliefs, I DON’T KNOW and I don’t pretend to know for certain whether God exists and whether Jesus was the Son of God. I have not reached any firm conclusions on those things one way or the other. It most certainly is not outside the realm of possibility for me.

    Since you do not know for sure whether God exists or if Jesus was the Son of God, you can’t be sure the Bible is the Literal Truth. Neither am I sure whether it is literal truth or not, but I suspect many things in it are not.

    You seem to believe some spiritual teachings are literal truth, and then you also cite ‘experts” who claim the whole thing is literal truth. It’s a fairly confused position you are taking overall Ashvin.

    My take on the Bible is that it reveals many things about the Human condition and is probably the best still remaining source of History from about 4000 BC to around the time the New Testament got written, thereafter there are a lot of other texts to work from also. My Illuminati Spawn college girlfriend was an expert in this stuff, she was fluent in Ancient Greek and Latin so it was subject of many lively discussions between us in those years.

    Aynhow, I am no Biblical Scholar by any means, I look for meaning in the Bible and what ring true I use, what does not I look at mainly as parable or misperceptions by the writers or translators.

    Far as the Bolshevik Revolution and its aftermath is concerned, I never made the case that it ended up all that well, just that it was an improvement for the Ruskies over lives under the Romanoffs which consisted of Serfdom (your hated Slavery of the explicit kind) and fairly regular Pogroms. As to a comparative numerical accounting goes of whether more Innocents were sent to the Great Beyond by Uncle Joe Stalin or the Romanoff family going back to Peter the Great, I can’t answer that for sure, but I would bet on a percentage of population basis at any given time the Romanoffs were responsible for more deaths than Stalin was.

    On the Backfire analogy, clearly we disagree, this is NOT a “new fire”, it is set SPECIFICALLY to combat an already ongoing conflagration. Not even setting the fire in a new forest either, setting it in all the places where the fire currently rages out of control. My analogy works better than yours does Ashvin, hands down here.

    Far as your selective choices go of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot et al go as representative of the Evil Dictator outcome, it remains a possibility but does not HAVE to be the outcome. All I need to do is demonstrate ONE instance of a Dictator who improved the lives of the people he ruled over to show this outcome is not inevitable. I think Fidel Castro does that pretty well by his lonesome. There is little doubt that quite a few Innocents were sent to the Great Beyond when Castro took over, but on balance things mostly were better for the Cubans. At least they didn’t get raped like the Haitians did.

    Considering “drawing on Spiritual energies” to combat the Forces of Evil, here you are starting to sound like Ben expecting to get an answer from the 5th Dimension. What you are saying in essence is that we should all just PRAY together here, and Kumbaya all will be well. I don’t buy this as a solution, as you say people are Praying RIGHT NOW for this insanity to end, but it AIN’T ENDING. I suggest a more terrestrial based approach and will leave the Spirit world to you and the 5th Dimension to Ben.

    Finally, I am glad you are beginning to see my approach as “well thought out” rather than “making shit up as I go along”. I’ve been working on this theory/plan for well over 4 years now and trying to noodle out alternatives also to what obviously is a pretty extreme idea. It is ALSO true though that I make shit up all the time as I go along here, but that is just part of being adaptible to changing circumstances and different arguments thrown at me. You are an astoundingly good opponent in such a Chess game, and I really do appreciate the time you have taken to engage me thusfar.

    So as of now, neither of us have resigned our positions, and we are somewhere in the Middle Game now. Your move. The Clock is running.

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3726

    You didn’t answer the question. Do you tke LITERALLY that Jesus was the Son of God?

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3717

    ashvin post=3336 wrote:

    Innocent people and not-so-guilty people WILL be sacrificed in the OMMP. You believe it is a necessary evil, and I believe it is an unacceptable evil. Other people can decide for themselves.

    This pretty much is the Core Argument here, and as I stated well up the page here, it’s a matter of weighing how many Innocents will die and how many Guilty will be brought to Justice in different scenarios. What I put to the reader here is that MORE Innocents will Die and Fewer of the Guilty will be brought to Justice without the Inquisition.

    Again, I don’t think the track record is very “muddy” at all, especially in the 20th century, which is more applicable to our times due to the scale of reactionary movements in the age of fossil fuels.

    Nicholas and Alexandra Romanoff were filled full of Lead in 1917. Far as I know, that is part of the 20th Century.

    What if it’s not just you, but everyone that you care about? What if it’s an entire community of people where you happen to live? At what point will you say, “enough is enough”, the means no longer justify the stated (but not certain) ends? Even if you are intellectually, emotionally and spiritually capable of drawing that line, MOST PEOPLE are not. That’s just the reality of the situation we are in.

    You know, entire communities of people are being wiped out ALREADY as we SPEAK. So to argue that the Inquisition would CAUSE something which is already ongoing and accelerating is simply a crock of shit.

    When you have a really BIG Forest Fire raging and sprinkling water on it isn’t stopping it, what do you do? You set a BACKFIRE and let it burn also. You kill a lot of Innocent Trees that way but in the end you save most of the Forest. Of course you can argue that it would be better of to let the whole forest burn down more often, but inthe case of Homo Sapiens if it all burns down this time its probably never grwoing back again.

    I know this is not exactly what we were talking about in this particular portion of the debate (OOMP as an ever-evolving plan), but as a partial aside:

    The concept of evolution is a dangerous weapon when it is consciously applied to human societies as an end goal. I am highly suspicious of anyone who claims their policies are geared towards “evolving” the human species over short time frames. The Eugenics policies of the 20th century were a direct result of that mentality.

    Evolution is a dangerous concept, so is Creationism. Accepting that things are immutable and not subject to change is itself a very dangerous concept. Danger lurks about us everywhere. You just gotta stay on your toes and keep your eyes open.

    Ah yes, the “Better Tomorrow” – promised by Evil Dictators implementing genocidal policies since time immemorial.

    Back to the Evil Dictators you see lurking around every Street Corner. How about Joan of Arc? Was she an Evil Dictator? What about Fidel? Was he an Evil Dictator? How about Hugo Chavez? is he an Evil Dictator? Dictators often do unpleasant things, but they aren’t all Evil either.

    Well you admitted above that you cannot speculate on if, when or how exactly the OMMP would come to pass, or WHO would end up leading it, so would it be fair to say that it’s POSSIBLE that the OMMP, when actually implemented in the real world, would be led by misleading forces that want to accomplish the opposite of what you want to accomplish? That’s the point I am getting at.

    Yes it is Possible. No guarantees, particularly in a risky situation like this. However, when you have millions being murdered every day through chemical, biological and nuclear poisoning, not to mention non-stop wars all over the Planet, you gotta take some risks here.

    The logic here is that, if we do not act soon to implement something like the OMMP, more Fukushima type events will keep occurring until humanity is wiped out. Who knows, you may be right – extinction may be humanity’s ultimate destiny at this point, at least in the physical sense. But even that fact doesn’t necessitate OMMP as our ONLY option to deal with that reality.

    When somebody comes up with a better Option with a greater chance of success I’ll jump right on board. Meanwhile, its the best option I can come up with. If you have a better one, I am all ears. I’ll deconstruct it and demonstrate why it has a lower potential for success.

    The reason why we are talking about Jesus and the Bible is because you essentially brought them up as justifications for your plan, in so far as you can mitigate the genocidal effects of it by offering people the opportunity to repent for their sins.

    No, I didn’t bring up Jesus, you did. I never use Jesus as justification since I am not a Christian. I do use the Bible as reference material and as a possible Window to understand God better, but I don;t buy the whole ball of wax lock stock and barrel.

    I am not arguing for the correctness or incorrectness of what the Bible says happened and what Jesus taught. I am arguing for representing those things accurately, rather than manipulating them for our own arguments. The Bible consists of perhaps the most well-preserved and widely-circulated ancient texts that we know about. By studying those texts and comparing them to each other, we can determine by and large exactly what it was saying, in terms of past events, spiritual teachings and future prophecies.

    You don’t have to agree with it, but you cannot deny that it is, in fact, saying those things. I am by no means a Biblical Scholar, but there are quite a few Biblical Scholars that I have read and respect (some of whom aren’t even Christian), and they all agree that the Bible is quite straightforward and should be taken literally. That is something the institutions of the Church have not done well at all, and we should not strive to repeat their mistakes (or intentional deceptions).

    Biblical scholars can “all agree that the Bible is quite straightforward and should be taken literally”, but regardless of what Triv would call an appeal to authority argument, I am sorry, I just don’t buy that Moses parted the Red Sea or that Jesus walked on Water.

    I do believe though that quite a bit of the History in the Bible is correct, including the fact that a Preacher named Jesus likely was walking around Rome and the periphery during some exceedingly hard times. Son of God though? No moreso than you or I are Sons of God in all probability. Do you take LITERALLY that Jesus was the Son of God? This may be the source of our differing perceptions of the Bible.

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    in reply to: Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed #3715

    ashvin post=3333 wrote:

    No, what you made clear is that NO ONE can escape the wrath of the Inquisition when it really gets going. Yes, you will obviously want to target the king pins at first, but you will find that the rot of corruption extends much deeper in this system. There is no system without the active and passive complicity of billions, and if you think the king pins won’t amass an army of the complicit on their side when all of these Rightheous Crusades go down, then you are sorely mistaken.

    No, the thesis that it will continue in perpetuity is yours, not mine. The corruption and rot go pretty deep I will grant you, but eventually you will work your way down to the point the kitchen is clean enough to cook in again.

    I also am quite SURE the Army of Evil will amass itself, which is why the Army of Good better start getting ready here to go Mano-a-Mano with the AoE in a No Rules, Take No Prisoners Final Battle for ALL the Marbles.

    You are wafting all over the place here and you know it. In one place you have cut off points, and in others you believe they are arbitrary and cannot be used. It is clear that you are making this shit up as you go along – the ridiculously vague criminal code, the “initial prosecutions”, the top of the pyramid, the low-level torture and scrubbing of cesspools, the re-education camps, etc., etc. Trust me, I know it’s fun to play Devil’s Advocate – that’s a part of what I’m doing in this argument too (although you may be doing it a bit more literally :evil:).

    Is there a Rule here against Wafting and Making Shit Up as you go along? I was not aware of any such rule here.

    In any event, the Cutoffs being made here are Monetary ones, not Age or Intelligence ones. Not going after Kids or Retards. Going after PIGMEN.

    But the other part is out of genuine concern about the ideas people will get in their heads when they are seduced by fantasies such as yours. You know just as well as I do that your hyper-idealistic plan will not come to pass, ever… UNLESS, it is undertaken by an ignorant mob following a charismatic leader that has convinced them it is in their interests to kill off large swaths of people who represent the Old Order. Then you will get your OMMP, but who knows, you may end up being one of the roaches that gets exterminated.

    I won’t specualte on the likelihood of the Inquisition coming to pass or who might lead it either. The Track Record for such things is rather muddy overall, but I would say that the general results of the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror were overall an improvement over the Monarchy that preceeded it. Also I would say that although certainly corrupt in the aftermath, it was an Improvement over in Russia when Nicholas and Alexandra Romanoff were filled full of lead in a Ruskie basement

    As to myself being pulled in front of the Inquisition? Possible of course, but a risk I am willing to take as a last ditch effort to Save Mother Earth and avoid an ELE for Homo Sapiens.

    Yes, that could be said of any legal system operating at the complex scale of global human civilization. Our aim should not be to replicate those flawed systems or come up with new ones at the same scale, but to completely down-size the scale of operation. Your ever-evolving OMMP is a worldwide system of subjective “laws” that seeks to enact a “righteous” genocide in the name of protecting the helpless masses, and usher in a new era of peace and stability.

    Ever evolving is important in order to adapt to changing circumstances. 😛

    I do agree of course that we need to shrink back to smaller more sustainable political groupings and legal systems of course. The Inquisition is part of the Catabolic process of the large systems before a new Anabolic period or Better Tomorrow can begin.

    Sometimes it’s smarter to recognize that the ends don’t justify the means, and that success can be had in more ways than one. To sacrifice one’s vengeful bloodlust for the good of the human soul, even when the former is convincingly dressed up as a humanitarian act. Your OMMP will play right into their hands of controlled depopulation. Remember, they NEED a justification for top-down, centralized enslavement and genocide of the masses, and proposals along the lines of OMMP will give it to them. A rout, indeed.

    Sometimes perhaps, not this time.

    I disagree of course, run correctly the Inquisition will take out the Masters and Free the Slaves, not the other way round that you project. Of course, Inquisiton Management is a difficult thing, but I never made the case this would be easy either.

    Realistic thinking. We don’t have to make the effort – that is the point of free will and conscious decisions. The OMMP already sounds like a situation in which people will be told “if you don’t support the effort, you will be responsible for an ELE that is certain to occur”. A false dichotomy along the lines of “bail out the banks or watch the world economy be vaporized”, except even more extreme.

    In the case of the Banks, it isn’t a False Dichotomy. If the Banks aren’t Bailed out, the World economy WILL vaporize! No Letters of Credit, no credible functioning Money, no Oil trade you can go on and on here with this. Nobody has put forth a credible plan to work in the aftermath of a systemic banking collapse, and no I don’t think coining up all the Tungsten in Fort Knox will work nor do I think non-Debt based money in a Resource Based Economy will work either, but those are long debates all of their own.

    As to whether we are on the road now to an ELE, I won’t answer that with words, one picture will suffice.

    Another BS tactic used by people to subvert Biblical law and the teachings of Jesus – just say that it is all filled with symbolic parables and open to endless interpretation. It is no coincidence that the Roman Catholic Church kept the Bible from the people when it officially adopted Christianity – it wanted man-made religious/political/economic traditions that were ultimately geared towards retribution and war to overrule the very obvious and very clear teachings of love, forgiveness and peace found in the Books themselves. The truths laid out by Jesus as God’s human incarnation are meant to be eternal, and you cannot use Him to justify goals that are in opposition to those truths by erroneously claiming they are “adaptable” to the times.

    OK, add BS to Wafting and Making Shit Up here as your stock in trade arguments. AKA pitch out some Napalm Lite.

    All the Biblical Stories may or may not all be true. I am not convinced for instance that Moses parted the Red Sea or that Jesus Walked on Water either. One has to read the Bible with some Critical thinking, you can’t buy the whole thing as Absolute Truth. At the very least there have been too many centuries worth of Revisions to it to be 100% sure of what was written down in the first place. Besides that, said stories were written by observers who you may or may not believe were Prophets of God, but even so saw the world through their own flawed Human Eyes.

    It is incumbent on the Sons and Daughters of God CURRENTLY walking the Earth to respond to the challenges of our own time, which all are not precisely the same ones that were apparent when the Bible was written. For instance, there were no Nuke Plants sitting around as Time Bombs waiting to go off then. Nor were there 7B people inhabiting the Earth either. In the Bible, God’s Word was to “Go Forth and Multiply”. Is that what we need to do NOW? Our time has different challenges to deal with, and we must find out own way to respond to them. Every last answer is not written down in the Bible or apparent in the words of Jesus Christ either.

    I most certainly understand the risks involved here, but I am pretty sure Turning the Other Cheek is not the solution we need here right now, and Jesus suggested that one also. Methinks it is time to FIGHT BACK, not turn the Other Cheek.

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