May 112021
 


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57 Top Scientists And Doctors Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations (EnV)
Feds Demonizing Covid-19 Treatments In Order To Promote Vaccine (WND)
Norway Health Board Rejects J&J, AZ Vaccines Over Side Effects (RT)
Doctor Warns Allowing Hugs ‘Might Be A Mistake’ (Mirror)
US Authorizes Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine For 12-15 Year Olds (Y!)
Unthinkable Thoughts (Mitteldorf)
US Gas Stations Running Out Of Fuel (DM)
Free Speech Inc. (Turley)
Chevron’s Prisoner (Bragman)
Civil War Is Brewing In France And You Know It: French Military To Macron (RT)
Agent Orange Complaint vs Monsanto, Dow Chemical Rejected By French Court (RT)

 

 

 

 

Not everyone’s asleep yet.

57 Top Scientists And Doctors Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations (EnV)

Vaccines for other coronaviruses have never been approved for humans, and data generated in the development of coronavirus vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies show that they may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) and Th2 immunopathology, regardless of the vaccine platform and delivery method [9-11]. Vaccine-driven disease enhancement in animals vaccinated against SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV is known to occur following viral challenge, and has been attributed to immune complexes and Fc-mediated viral capture by macrophages, which augment T-cell activation and inflammation [11-13].

In March 2020, vaccine immunologists and coronavirus experts assessed SARS-CoV-2 vaccine risks based on SARS-CoV-vaccine trials in animal models. The expert group concluded that ADE and immunopathology were a real concern, but stated that their risk was insufficient to delay clinical trials, although continued monitoring would be necessary [14]. While there is no clear evidence of the occurrence of ADE and vaccine-related immunopathology in volunteers immunized with SARS-CoV-2 vaccines [15], safety trials to date have not specifically addressed these serious adverse effects (SAE).

Given that the follow-up of volunteers did not exceed 2-3.5 months after the second dose [16-19], it is unlikely such SAE would have been observed. Despite errors in reporting, it cannot be ignored that even accounting for the number of vaccines administered, according to the US Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System (VAERS), the number of deaths per million vaccine doses administered has increased more than 10-fold. We believe there is an urgent need for open scientific dialogue on vaccine safety in the context of large-scale immunization. In this paper, we describe some of the risks of mass vaccination in the context of phase 3 trial exclusion criteria and discuss the SAE reported in national and regional adverse effect registration systems. We highlight unanswered questions and draw attention to the need for a more cautious approach to mass vaccination.

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“..the National Institutes of Health issued a guideline recommending physicians not treat COVID-19 until a patient needs oxygen..”

Feds Demonizing Covid-19 Treatments In Order To Promote Vaccine (WND)

“Something has gone off the rails” in the world’s approach to the novel coronavirus pandemic, with health authorities in the U.S. and abroad suppressing safe, cheap and effective treatments while promoting experimental vaccines that have received only emergency use authorization, contends Dr. Peter McCullough. McCullough, a renowned cardiologist who testified to the U.S. Senate last fall on COVID-19 treatments, pointed out in a lengthy interview with Tucker Carlson’s Fox Nation show “Tucker Carlson Today” that the National Institutes of Health issued a guideline recommending physicians not treat COVID-19 until a patient needs oxygen. “This document will go down in history as the most nihilistic medical guidance as Americans are suffering,” said McCullough, the vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas.

Asked to explain why such guidance would be issued, McCullough said it could be “fear driven,” but it’s not in his “moral DNA” to “let people die with no treatment.” Around the world, physicians are finding success using treatments such as hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, but there is no regulatory support in the United States for treating COVID-19 at all, as there would be for any other disease, he said. In November, McCullough was among the physicians who in Senate testimony decried the politicization hydroxychloroquine, invermectin and other treatments. McCullough has 600 peer-reviewed publications to his name. Many have appeared in top-tier journals such as the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association and The Lancet.

He is the president of the Cardiorenal Society of America, the co-editor of Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine and associate editor of the American Journal of Cardiology and Cardiorenal Medicine. He has led monitoring safety boards in major drug trials. “I have seen things in the last year that I cannot explain as a doctor,” he told Carlson. “Why are other doctors not helping, with a simple [treatment] these patients avoid hospitalization and death?” He noted three cases in which families have had to go to court to force physicians to administer the common antiparasitic drug ivermectin. In each case, the court sided with the family and the patient survived.

[..] Meanwhile, a new peer-reviewed study published by the American Journal of Therapeutics concludes that ivermectin can end the COVID-19 pandemic. Reviewed by a team that includes three top U.S. government senior scientists, the research finds the drug significantly reduces the risk of contracting COVID-19 when used regularly. In February, a study published in the U.S. journal Frontiers of Pharmacology found ivermectin reduces COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations and deaths by about 75%. In more than 30 trials around the world, the drug causes “repeated, consistent, large magnitude improvements in clinical outcomes’ at all stages of the disease,” according to the study.

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Experts contradicting each other is another curious aspect of Covid.

Norway Health Board Rejects J&J, AZ Vaccines Over Side Effects (RT)

The Institute of Public Health in Norway has recommended against the use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, adding to a recommendation of permanently avoiding the use of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 jab over side effect fears. In a press release on Monday, the Norwegian Institute of Public Health (NIPH) advised the government against the use of the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 jab, following guidance from a government-appointed commission. The committee also supported an earlier recommendation by the NIPH not to use the AstraZeneca shot. “We do not recommend that the vaccines be used in the national vaccination program due to the serious side effects that have been seen,” Lars Vorland, chair of the expert committee, said at a press conference on Monday.

In its statement, NIPH formally published the recommendation not to use the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 jab. “Our goal is to protect as many people as possible, as quickly as possible, to reopen society and get everyday life back. It is therefore a difficult decision to recommend that one of the Covid vaccines not be used actively in the program.” NIPH recommends that the Johnson & Johnson shot be kept in emergency storage in case the vaccine supplies of the mRNA jab should fail. They add that it is particularly suited to being an emergency vaccine, as it only requires one dose and can be stored for a long time.

[..] Health Minister Bent Hoeie told a news conference that “the government will use this as basis for its decision, together with recommendations from the Institute of Public Health, on whether to use these vaccines.” In April, NIPH recommended that the government stop using the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine after a lengthy review of the jab. Oslo suspended the vaccine’s use on March 11 following reports of potentially fatal rare blood clots. The blood clotting concerns have already led to limitations in the distribution of the vaccine in multiple countries. Five healthcare workers, all aged between 32 and 54, were hospitalized after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine in Norway. Three of them died.

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Nowhere near the biggest mistake here.

Doctor Warns Allowing Hugs ‘Might Be A Mistake’ (Mirror)

Dr Hilary Jones had his say on reports Prime Minister Boris Johnson may allow hugging in England from next Monday, with him urging caution. The Good Morning Britain doctor told of the benefits of hugging, but warned there was a greater risk of coronavirus transmission if people started touching everybody. Hilary said that with coronavirus still spreading in the UK and around the world, with new variants detected, it could be a “mistake” to start allowing such close contact. While it is yet to be confirmed, Johnson is tipped to announce hugging will be allowed from Monday May 17 when the lockdown rules change again in England.

With bigger groups allowed to gather outdoors, and groups of six allowed indoors, the allowance of hugging is a late change to the earlier announced new rules. But Dr Hilary urged caution with the news, and told people to be “selective” if they are going to get close to people. Speaking on the show, he described the increased risk of transmission as “quite substantial” with close contact such as hugging. He explained: “If you are in hugging range and you’re touching somebody, and your face is right next to their’s, you are gonna be breathing the breath that they are exhaling.

“The virus is transmitted through aerosol droplets, so the risk is much higher.” He went on: “Professor Noakes, she’s part of SAGE, she’s saying that actually she’s worried, and that hugs should be selective. “They should be short, they should be selective… hug your children, hug your grandchildren, not promiscuous hugs we’re not talking about here, not hugging everybody, not getting too close for too long.” Hilary added: “It’s great, hugs actually have a benefit in health in terms of, forget the aerosol transmission of viruses for a moment, there’s all sorts of things that happen.”

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In the context of the survival rate, this makes no sense.

US Authorizes Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine For 12-15 Year Olds (Y!)

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on Monday authorized the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for children aged 12 to 15 years old. “This is a promising development in our fight against the virus,” said President Joe Biden. “If you are a parent who wants to protect your child, or a teenager who is interested in getting vaccinated, today’s decision is a step closer to that goal.” The FDA previously granted an emergency use authorization for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine to individuals aged 16 and older. “Having a vaccine authorized for a younger population is a critical step in continuing to lessen the immense public health burden caused by the Covid-19 pandemic,” said Peter Marks, director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research.


The FDA said some 1.5 million Covid-19 cases in individuals aged 11 to 17 years old have been reported to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention between March 1, 2020 and April 30, 2021. The course of the disease is generally milder in children but they can pass it on to older, more vulnerable adults. Pfizer and its partner BioNTech said in March that their two-dose vaccine regimen was shown to be safe and highly effective in a trial of 2,260 12 to 15 year olds. Biden last week stressed the importance of expanding vaccinations to 12 to 15 year olds and said the authorities were “ready to move immediately” once the authorization came through. Some 20,000 pharmacies around the country were ready to begin to vaccinate adolescents, he said, and doses will also be shipped to pediatricians.

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“The most compelling evidence for a laboratory origin of COVID is that coronaviruses don’t have furin cleavage sites, and until last year, this trick has never evolved naturally.”

Unthinkable Thoughts (Mitteldorf)

The spike protein is the part of the virus structure that interfaces with the host cell. SARS 1 and SARS 2 viruses both have spike proteins that bind to a human cell receptor called ACE-2, common in lung cells but also present in other parts of the body. Binding to the cell’s ACE-2 receptor is like the wolf knocking at the door of Little Red Riding Hood’s grandmother. “Hello, grandmama. I’m your granddaughter. Please let me in.” The virus is a wolf wearing a red cape and hood, pretends to be an ACE-2 enzyme molecule seeking entrance to the cell.

In order to enter the cell, the virus must break off from the spike protein and leave it at the doorstep, so to speak. This is an important and difficult step, as it turns out. Unique to the SARS-CoV-2 virus is a trick for making the separation. Just at the edge of the protein is a furin cleavage site. Furin is an enzyme that snips protein molecules, and it is common in our bodies, with legitimate metabolic uses. A furin cleavage site is a string of 4 particular amino acids that calls to furin, “hey — come over here. I’m a protein that needs snipping.”

[..] One of the most credible dangers of the spike protein involves fertility. None of the vaccines were tested in pregnant women, and yet many government and other authorities are recommending it as safe for pregnant women. VAERS has reported 174 miscarriages to date after COVID vaccination. VAERS is notoriously underreported. I find the anecdotes less concerning than the fact that no one is taking this seriously, and research is being actively discouraged in the best-respected science journals. There is a credible mechanism, in that the spike protein is partially homologous to syncytin. Syncytin, in fact, was originally a retroviral protein, inserted into the mammalian genome many aeons ago, and evolved over the ages to play an essential role in reproduction, binding the placenta to the fetus.

An immune response that attacks syncytin might be expected to be impose a danger of spontaneous abortion. In any ordinary times, this would be a subject that medical researchers would jump on, with animal tests and field surveys to assess the danger. But these are no ordinary times, and the risk is being dismissed on theoretical grounds without investigation. This is especially suspicious in the context of history: a Gates Foundation vaccination program in 1995 was allegedly promoted to young women, causing infertility. (Yes, I know there are many fact-checkers eager to “debunk” this story, but I don’t find them convincing, and some of these fact-checkers are compromised by Gates funding.) Even doing what the spike protein is supposed to do — tying up ACE2 — can be a problem for our lungs and arteries, which are routinely protected by ACE2.

The most dangerous possibility, suspected but not verified, is that the spike protein causes a prion cascade. Prions are paradoxical pathogens, in that they are misfolded proteins that cause misfolded proteins. Their evolutionary etiology is utterly mysterious, so much so that it took Stanley Prusiner a decade after describing the biology of prions before the scientific community would take prion biochemistry seriously. But prions make potent bioweapons, which laboratories can design outside of natural evolutionary dynamics. The possibility of prion-like structures in the spike protein was noted very early in the pandemic based on a computational study. This recent review combines theoretical, laboratory, and observational evidence to make a case for caution. Once again, I find it disturbing that this possibility is being dismissed on theoretical grounds rather than investigated in the lab and the field.

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And not just a few of them.

US Gas Stations Running Out Of Fuel (DM)

Gas stations from Florida to Atlanta to Virginia are closing their pumps due to a fuel shortage brought on by the Colonial Pipeline hack – and a state of emergency has been declared by the governor of North Carolina. American Airlines was adding stops to two of its long-haul flights from its Charlotte, North Carolina hub, CNBC reported, as a likely effort to conserve fuel in areas where it could run short. The 5,500 mile Colonial Pipeline was shut down on Friday evening by the company when the ransomware attack was launched – seemingly by Russian-based cybercriminal group, DarkSide. Service was gradually being restored on Monday. At least 12 other companies were also affected by the ransomware attack, Bloomberg reported, and Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House, called for those responsible to be executed.

The pipeline supplies 45 per cent of all the East Coast’s fuel needs, including Atlanta’s airport – the world’s busiest, by passenger traffic. The pipeline also serves 90 U.S. military installations and 26 oil refineries. On Monday evening motorists were beginning to report shortages at gas stations. A spokesman for Race Trac, which operates gas stations in the Atlanta area, confirmed the shortage to WSBTV-2. At least two gas stations in Tallahassee, Florida, were completely out of stock, Bloomberg reported. Patrick de Haan, an energy expert who runs the monitoring site Gas Buddy Tracker, said his sources showed five per cent of stations in Virginia running empty. His recommendation to motorists? ‘Conserve, conserve, conserve,’ he said.

The lack of supply could soon hit users across the country in the pocketbook. AAA already predicts that gasoline prices in the Georgia region alone could rise three to seven cents per gallon this week, and said that there also could be ‘limited fuel availability’ in places. ‘This shutdown will have implications on both gasoline supply and price, but the impact will vary regionally,’ said Montrae Waiters, spokeswoman for AAA-The Auto Club Group. ‘Areas including Mississippi, Tennessee and the East Coast from Georgia into Delaware are most likely to experience limited fuel availability and prices increases as early as this week.’

[..] DarkSide, which cultivates a Robin Hood image of stealing from corporations and giving a cut to charity, said in a statement posted on the dark web that their only goal was to ‘make money’ and not create problems for society. ‘We are apolitical, we do not participate in geopolitics,’ the statement read. ‘Our goal is to make money and not creating problems for society.’ ‘From today we introduce moderation and check each company that our partners want to encrypt to avoid social consequences in the future.’ Colonial, which is based in Atlanta, Georgia, has not yet said whether it has paid or is negotiating a ransom with the hackers.

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“..it sometimes seems Facebook wants to be treated like AT&T but act like the DNC.”

Free Speech Inc. (Turley)

After Facebook’s oversight board this week upheld the social media giant’s continuing ban of former President Trump, the response of Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) captured the visceral joy of many on the left: She posted a series of laughing emojis. Welcome to Free Speech, Inc.: the Democratic incorporation of free speech built around the a presumption of corporate censorship (for some). Of course, Democrats insist they are not attacking free speech, just combating “disinformation.” After all, they say, private companies have every right to control speech — unless you are, say, a bakery opposed to preparing a cake for a same-sex wedding, or a company contributing to political causes. The current mantra defending Facebook’s corporate speech rights seems strikingly out of sync with years of Democrats and political activists demanding the curtailment of such rights.

When Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado refused on religious grounds to make a cake for a same-sex wedding, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) denounced the bakery’s claim of free speech: “It was never about a cake — it’s about making sure no one has a license to discriminate against LGBTQ+ Americans.” When the Supreme Court ruled in the Citizens United case that corporations have free speech rights to participate in politics, Warren was appalled. She has long rejected the notion that corporations have the constitutional rights like individuals: “Corporations are not people. People have hearts. They have kids. They get jobs. They get sick. They cry. They dance. They live. They love. And they die.” Notably, Warren felt that one company (Masterpiece Cakeshop) can be forced to speak while another corporation (Facebook) should be able to stop others from speaking.

When Facebook barred Trump, Warren declared: “I’m glad that Donald Trump is not going to be on Facebook. Suits me.” House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) also celebrated and added: “Facebook must ban him. Which is to say, forever.” When free speech concerns are raised over corporate censorship, Democrats often drop references to “free speech” violations and instead address “First Amendment” violations. Indeed, when Trump objected to the ban on Twitter as “banning free speech,” a host of media outlets ran stories like: “Fact Check: Did Twitter Violate President Trump’s First Amendment Rights?” Experts like Wayne State University law professor Jonathan Weinberg chimed in that, under the First Amendment, a company “gets to choose who it does business with and who it doesn’t.”

[..] These companies once were viewed as neutral platforms for people to exchange views — people who affirmatively “friend” or invite the views of others. If Big Tech wants to be treated like a telephone company, it must act like a telephone company. We wouldn’t tolerate AT&T interrupting calls to object to some misleading conversation, or cutting the line for those who misinform others. As a neutral platform for communications, telephone companies receive special legal and economic status under our laws. Yet, it sometimes seems Facebook wants to be treated like AT&T but act like the DNC.

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Donziger’s story is unbelievable.

Chevron’s Prisoner (Bragman)

Donziger was a human rights attorney representing indigenous peoples in Ecuador who brought a lawsuit against Texaco for rainforest pollution in the region. In 2011, Donziger and his clients won a $18 billion judgement against the fuel giant, which had since been bought out by Chevron, one of the largest judgments ever handed down against an oil company, even when that amount was later reduced to $9.5 billion. While the ruling was subsequently upheld by three Ecuadorian courts, Chevron moved its operation out of the country to avoid paying the damages and countersued Donziger in the United States under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).

Lewis A. Kaplan of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York (SDNY), a former corporate lawyer, was assigned to the case and granted Chevron a temporary restraining order against the Ecuador judgment in an effort to block enforcement of it anywhere in the world. During the non-jury trial, former Ecuadorian judge Alberto Guerra, who presided over the case when it was first filed, testified that Donziger and his team had bribed him to ghostwrite the multi-billion dollar judgment against Chevron for presiding judge Nicolas Zambrano. Guerra claimed Zambrano had also been bribed and had offered him a percentage of his take. Guerra would later admit during an international arbitration that he had accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from Chevron and recant some details of his testimony.

Despite Guerra’s admission, the tribunal ultimately sided with Chevron, finding that the multi-billion-dollar judgment had still been tainted by fraud and that the claims against the oil giant had been settled and released by the Ecuadorian government years earlier. Kaplan, the U.S. judge, also had ties to the oil company. The Clinton appointee had investments in funds with Chevron holdings, and had previously suggested in deposition hearings from a separate but related case that Chevron could have grounds to file a racketeering suit against Donziger. During the racketeering proceedings, Kaplan described the oil giant as “a company of considerable importance to our economy that employs thousands all over the world, that supplies a group of commodities — gasoline, heating oil, other fuels, and lubricants — on which every one of us depends every single day.”

Relying largely on Guerra’s testimony, Kaplan ruled against Donziger in March 2014, alleging a vast conspiracy and finding that the attorney had acquired the Ecuador judgment through “corrupt means.” A federal appeals court would later uphold Kaplan’s ruling. Donziger was later disbarred from practicing law in New York. After its legal victory, Chevron sought to recoup more than $800,000 in court costs from Donziger. The company’s lawyers demanded possession of the attorney’s personal computer and cell phone, which it claimed were necessary to enforce its monetary judgment against him. Donziger appealed and refused to turn over his electronics, arguing he would be handing over privileged materials.

Kaplan responded by holding Donziger in civil and then criminal contempt of court and slapping him with the largest state sanction in the history of New York courts. The SDNY U.S. Attorney’s office declined to prosecute the case, citing a lack of resources, so in July 2019, Kaplan took the unusual step of turning the contempt case over to attorneys from the major corporate law firm Seward & Kissel LLP to act as special prosecutors. He also selected a colleague, Judge Loretta Preska, to hear the criminal case. As part of the proceedings, Preska sentenced Donziger to his ongoing home confinement in August 2019.

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Macron can’t just brush this off.

Civil War Is Brewing In France And You Know It: French Military To Macron (RT)

A group of active French military personnel has published a new open letter to the country’s president Emmanuel Macron, warning him of a “civil war” brewing in the country after all the “concessions” he’s made to Islamism. The letter, published in the conservative Valeurs Actuelles magazine late on Sunday, strikes a similar tone to the message published by the same outlet last month. Unlike the previous one, which was signed by 25 retired generals and active-duty soldiers, the new letter is anonymous and is open for signing by the general public. As of noon on Monday, it had attracted over 100,000 signatures. The authors of the letter have described themselves as active-duty French soldiers, belonging to the younger generation of the military that saw actual combat over the past years.

“We are what the newspapers have called ‘the fire generation.’ Men and women, active soldiers, of all armies and of all ranks, of all opinions, we all love our country. These are our only claims to fame. And while we cannot, by law, express ourselves with our face uncovered, it is equally impossible for us to stay silent,” the letter reads. The letter accuses President Macron of making “concessions” to Islamism on French soil, while the country’s military has been spilling its blood to fight against it in “Afghanistan, Mali, the Central African Republic or elsewhere.”

The authors have also indicated that at least some of them have taken part in the domestic Operation Sentinelle, launched after the devastating 2015 Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks, and witnessed certain ethno-religious communities in France completely detached from the rest of the country. For such communities “France means nothing but an object of sarcasm, contempt or even hatred,” the letter reads. Like the previous letter, this new one warns the republic’s authorities of an impending “civil war,” with the very existence of France being at stake. “Once again, civil war is brewing in France and you know it perfectly well,” the letter reads.

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“..the court said it did not have jurisdiction to rule over America’s wartime activities in Vietnam”

Agent Orange Complaint vs Monsanto, Dow Chemical Rejected By French Court (RT)

A Paris court has rejected a 2014 complaint brought against 14 companies involved in the production and sale of Agent Orange to the US during the Vietnam War, declaring it does not have jurisdiction to rule over the matter. The lawsuit in the French court was filed by French-Vietnamese former journalist Tran To Nga. She accused the companies – among them Monsanto and Dow Chemical – of being culpable for the injuries caused to her, her children, and others, as well as for damage to the environment. However, the case was rejected on Monday, after the court said it did not have jurisdiction to rule over America’s wartime activities in Vietnam, halting the suit seven years after it was filed.

Tran, who covered the conflict, has been supported by non-governmental organizations in her quest to hold companies responsible for manufacturing Agent Orange and providing it to the US military. Those accused in the lawsuit have denied any responsibility for the damage caused in Vietnam, arguing that they cannot be blamed for how the American military used the chemical. Had Tran been successful, the case would have set a legal precedent for millions of Vietnamese civilian victims to have claimed compensation for health effects caused by exposure to Agent Orange. Currently, only American, Australian, and Korean military veterans who were exposed to the chemical have been awarded compensation, with America’s Agent Orange Settlement Fund having paid out claims to 52,000 former service members or their survivors, averaging at around $3,800 each.

Agent Orange was deployed across Vietnam by American forces from 1961 to 1971. During a brutal chemical warfare campaign against Viet Cong guerilla fighters, 12 million gallons of herbicide were used to defoliate the ecosystem, thereby exposing the enemy and destroy crops. The Red Cross of Vietnam estimates that around a million people are disabled or suffer from health problems as the result of their exposure to the chemical. Dioxin, a highly toxic element of Agent Orange, has been linked to birth defects, cancers, and other deadly diseases.

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  • #75051
    Susmarie108
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    The driving DESIRE to WIN at any and all cost.

    Maybe that’s the key. A single, driving DESIRE that endlessly needs to be fed. WINNING is never full-filled, because there is always the next conquest. They have their eye on what’s next even before finishing off the latest round of consumption/destruction. Eventually WINNERS get to the point where even losing is WINNING.

    On some level deep within, WE ALL UNDERSTAND that this driving DESIRE to WIN is not right. The DESIRE to WIN AT ANY COST is not natural, not fair, not truthful, not positive, not generous, not kind, not helpful, not good. Where this uncontrolled desire exists, there will never be co-operation, kindness, real LOVE, or any of the other values WE hold dear.

    Since WINNERS AT ANY COST are their own ecosystem, they need yours/mine to fuel theirs. Perhaps OUR only defense is to disable their ability to feast on our creation/contribution.

    #75052
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    https://www.facebook.com/worldwidedemonstration/

    World-wide demonstrations are planned for this Saturday May 15, protesting the removal of liberties related to covid. The link above shows details for protests all around the world. Check out one near you!!!

    #75053
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ zerosum

    “Can you Infect Covid 19 into bats”

    Seems you have to use a vakzine to do so.

    #75054
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @susmarie108

    “Perhaps OUR only defense is to disable their ability to feast on our creation/contribution.”

    Now you’re getting somewhere, imo.

    #75056
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    A couple questions for the medical folks here, or anyone familiar with the usual process for bringing a vaccine to market. How long do animal trials for vaccines usually last? How long do human trials usually last?

    I understand that with the current mRNA vaccines the animal trials began after the human trials started — they over lap. I understand that the follow up with the human vaccine trial volunteers was 2.5-3 months after second dose. What is the usual length of these things? (If I’m telling folks why I don’t want my kids vaccinated, it helps to have my facts straight!)

    @ zero sum
    In this article: https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038 it goes over how Covid does not effectively infect bats.

    #75057
    Germ
    Participant

    @ Phoenix – vaccine development usually takes 10-15 years.

    Even Pfizer themselves will tell you that!

    “The path to disease prevention – the development of a novel vaccine – is a complex and lengthy process that generally takes 10 to 15 years.”

    https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/how_are_vaccines_developed

    #75058
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Today, former British ambassador and whistleblower Craig Murray was sentenced to 8 months in prison for reporting the same details of a court case which some mainstream news outlets had also published. He was the only one prosecuted.

    His sentence conveniently prevents him from going “to Spain to testify in the criminal prosecution for the CIA spying on Assange’s legal team.” Some of Murray’s meetings with Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy were secretly recorded.

    “Defence say Mr Murray is due to give evidence in a Spanish Court on May 20 on a Julian Assange related case. [Judge] Lady Dorrian says in that case they could begin the prison sentence on the 19th”

    https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1392127060164988930

    #75060
    Germ
    Participant

    @ Doc – That is saddest news.
    When the State decides to punish you they can, and will.

    Appeal For Defence Funds

    #75061
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    phoenixvoice: “…the usual process for bringing a vaccine to market”?

    Before Covid, the fastest vaccine development took 4 years, and that was for mumps in the 1960s. Every other vaccine took longer than 4 years.


    The fastest vaccine in history

    December 10, 2020

    The COVID-19 vaccines coming soon to the United States and already approved in the U.K. and Canada are the fastest vaccines ever created.

    In a remarkable achievement of medical science, we’ve gone from identifying a new pathogen — the novel coronavirus known as SARS-CoV-2 — to discovering an immune response against it to developing and testing a safe and effective vaccine for it in less than 12 months.

    Previously, the fastest vaccine to go from development to deployment was the mumps vaccine in the 1960s, which took about four years.

    https://connect.uclahealth.org/2020/12/10/the-fastest-vaccine-in-history/

    #75062
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ absolute galore

    I obtained a new client once, a small law firm I was acquainted with who contacted me when one computer was infected with a ransomeware virus. The virus encrypts, essentially, all files in the system not necessary to the running of the operating system (I.e. Windows.). For the oil pipeline company, it could mean encryption of all files that are the software to run the pipeline. Theoretically, they should have air-gapped backups of everything important. Even if they do, ransomeware has the potential of infecting across networks…which means each infected computer must be identified and isolated from the network (I.e. unplugged from Ethernet/WiFi), cleaned (probably by reinstall of everything, or complete restoration from backup.). All of this must be done before the computers can be networked back together. So, even if they have good backups of everything, the man-hours to do all of this is immense. Especially because network administrators usually perform such tasks (including backup/restore) remotely, and in this sort of case the restoration either can’t be done remotely or must be done very carefully remotely be creating isolated networks of uninfected machines.

    There are drawbacks to networks. (Which was, interestingly enough, used as an explanation of why the fictional Enterprise starship in Star Trek the original series appeared in some ways to be “lower tech” than the Enterprise NX-01 in the Star Trek Enterprise series. The Enterprise relaunch books explain that the Romulans devised a way to send a virus to give them remote control of a starship via its networks, and subsequent Federation ship designs had systems isolated from each other to prevent this from happening.). 😉

    #75063
    zerosum
    Participant

    Thanks phoenixvoice

    “Can you Infect Covid 19 into bats” -zerosum
    Lots of info on Who did what.

    nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c
    Origin of Covid — Following the Clues
    Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?
    One problem with this idea, though, is that if SARS2 jumped from bats to people in a single leap and hasn’t changed much since, it should still be good at infecting bats. And it seems it isn’t.

    “Tested bat species are poorly infected by SARS-CoV-2 and they are therefore unlikely to be the direct source for human infection,” write a scientific group skeptical of natural emergence.
    ( https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-021-01211-0 )

    if indeed SARS2 was generated in a lab, for allowing the virus to escape and unleash a world-wide pandemic. Here are the players who seem most likely to deserve blame.

    1. Chinese virologists
    2. Chinese authorities
    3. The worldwide community of virologists
    4. The US Role in Funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology
    Nicholas Wade April 30,2021

    #75064
    Germ
    Participant

    @ Phoenix – for the kids:

    “93 Israeli doctors: Do not use Covid-19 vaccine on children”
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/304124

    Vaccinating children is a crime against humanity

    Dr. Paul Alexander, former HHS adviser says that kids should not get Covid vaccine.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/conspiracyguy8/status/1391620696112041985

    #75066
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    “Civil War Is Brewing In France And You Know It: French Military To Macron (RT)”

    I said it years ago and will say it again today, Macron was installed in power, not by the French but by the globalists, in order to destroy French nationalism. The same applies to Angela Merkel and Germany. How else can you explain leaders that open their borders for the mass immigration of highly unassimilable foreigners in what amounts to a reverse Crusades?

    Ask yourself, what good could possibly come from this? Why are leaders forcing policies on their people which are 180 degrees opposite of what are demanded? Where Yellow-Vests are shot in the face for their protest?

    If your goal was a one world government, however, then this would be a necessary step. Those nations with strong national identities and cultures would need to be weakened considerably so as to more easily be subjected to a common centralized power structure.

    This would also explain all of the hysteria around Trump, and why the opposition was unwilling to wait him out. He was a lightning rod for American nationalism don’t you see. He was never part of the plan and had to be removed, even if it meant marshalling every resource at their disposal in order to censor opposition and elevate an unpopular, senile political hack to the presidency by election fraud.

    #75067
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    I looked at the FDA’s justification for their decision to extend the Pfizer EUA to adolescents (age 12-15), and what struck me was the small amount of data they have. Only as few as 566 (or so) children were monitored, and for possibly less than 3 months, after getting the second injection. “At least 2 months” doesn’t give much reassurance about potential long-term effects in growing children.

    FDA Evaluation of Available Safety Data

    The available safety data to support the EUA in adolescents down to 12 years of age, include 2,260 participants ages 12 through 15 years old enrolled in an ongoing randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial in the United States. Of these, 1,131 adolescent participants received the vaccine and 1,129 received a saline placebo. More than half of the participants were followed for safety for at least two months following the second dose.

    The most commonly reported side effects in the adolescent clinical trial participants, which typically lasted 1-3 days, were pain at the injection site, tiredness, headache, chills, muscle pain, fever and joint pain.

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-emergency-use

    #75068
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Yesterday, the FDA decided to allow the Pfizer injections for 12-17 year-old children, and this decision was made before the FDA advisory committee meeting (on June 10) to discuss “Pediatric Use of COVID-19 Vaccines.”

    FDA In Brief: FDA to Hold Meeting of its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee to Discuss Pediatric Use of COVID-19 Vaccines
    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-brief-fda-hold-meeting-its-vaccines-and-related-biological-products-advisory-committee-discuss

    #75069
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Correction: 12-15 year-old children.

    #75070
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Maxwell Quest

    You’ll notice that most of the immigrants involved are the result of NATO bombing their homeland into shyte. The correlation may be informative.

    #75071

    From a website mentioned in a ZH comment, from Jaques Attali, advisor to F. Mitterand in 1981:

    ““In the future it will be a question of finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old, because as soon as it exceeds 60-65 years man lives longer than he produces and costs society dearly, then the weak and then the useless who do nothing for society because there will be more and more of them, and especially the stupid ones.

    Euthanasia targeting these groups; euthanasia will have to be an essential instrument of our future societies, in all cases. We cannot of course execute people or set up camps. We will get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good.

    Too large a population, and for the most part unnecessary, is something economically too expensive. Socially, it is also much better for the human machine to come to an abrupt halt rather than gradually deteriorating. We won’t be able to run intelligence tests on millions and millions of people, you can imagine!
    We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

    We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution.

    The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.”

    Hmmmm. Nice guy. Must have been a hoot at dinner parties.
    mpsk

    #75072
    Noirette
    Participant

    Societies on the down-and-out do tend to develop irrational (hmmm… that would take defining reason) behavior, oing for excess, crazes, turbulence, to put it mildly.

    Continuing.. There is a traditional, but kinda modernist view all the same, in the devp. world, that when things go to sh*t, ‘violence’ increases – it is defined as ‘crime’ – i.e. looting, theft, person-on-person violence, mass shootings of the crazed lone gunman type, small groups (like drug runners, or aspiring Mafia types) getting into fights, shooting things out in the street, domestic violence increasing, women on the bad end, hold ups, petty theft, car hikacks, and so on, everyone knows about this, it is the deplorables driven to despair or skilfully looking for oppos to gain advantage / sadistically harm others / let their most violent selves have sway for revenge, and so on.

    Right-i-o!

    This restricted, blinkered (sic) pov ignores the possible excesses of those in power, who when they feel threatened are actually more easily sucked into and dominated by group-think, as they are ‘the top’, form a ‘class’ that wields more leverage, is more closely knit, communicates ‘the truth’ to its members, satellites, offshoots, adherents. And ropes all of them in…

    The idea that in 2020, a primitive seeking out of scapegoats, hypocritical yet hearfelt (yes, I know..), from jeering blame > an important power (Russia 3x) at the top, accompanied with way below, crowd-triumph re. a few horrible ppl (ex. Weinstein, Chauvin..) is happening, is easy to accept. That doesn’t seem too ‘special’ .. unfortunately. (It does require thrashing the old ideas of nation states and diplomacy..)

    But what of human sacrifice? (See ppl deprived of easy covid treatment.) In huge numbers? That surely is 3 steps up. What of the catharsis thru condemning to death many, many ppl, old, disabled, sick, young, handicapped? It is a bit like the burning of witches – with the blatant aggro public display part (burning) transmogrified by tech-sci-speak, false stats, and “oh we all have to BE safe.” Made official in the ‘no treatment’ possible, the ‘do not ressucitate’ orders (covered up, in Britain and Sweden), etc.

    The past is not a different country..

    #75073
    Django
    Participant

    I managed to find a proof for the Gates Paradox. This paradox holds that the world’s population can be reduced by vaccinating kids As I write for my betters I will leave it entirely up to them to see if they find it convicing.

    Bill has been attacked by unkind and ungrateful people for stating during a TED talk ‘If we do a really great job on new vaccines , healthcare and reproductive health services we can lower the population by 10 or 15 percent’. The slide illustrating this point showed Africans in colourful clothing. Bill was cocerned that they would be producing too much carbon dioxide if left to their own devices. He could have pointed out to his billionaire pals to take it easy on their superyachts and jets to private islands but no the Africans were earmarked for his philanthropy.

    The next step in my quest to solve the paradox took me to the AFP fact checker. This is a charitably funded site generously paid for by the Koch brothers to put us right on any misapprehensions we might have Here I found a tweet purporting to be from Bill posted in 2012.

    It read ‘How do we reduce population growth? By reducing infant mortality. I was surprised too..

    Not as surprised as I was Bill! So I clicked on the link excitedly keen to solve the paradox at last….

    404 Uh oh.That page doesn’t exist. Tell us what you are looking for and we will search Gates notes for you.

    Followed by a malaware warning in Spanish. Quiere continuar? No gracias…It’s not that I don’t trust you when it comes to viruses but you know….

    Fortunately all was not lost for the Amercans for Prosperity fact checker continued, ‘Gates recommended developing vaccines to reduce child mortality thereby increasing a child’s surviving to adulthood and encouraging parents to benefit from government resources saying, “a virtuous cycle begins that takes a country out of poverty”.

    Now that’s what I call virtue signalling and these days you’re going to need a lot of it. But Bill virtuous people don’t associate with Epstein unless they have a large crucifix and a bucket of holy water.

    #75074
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ Maxwell Quest

    I feel your comment is making valid points. Most of the Western governments are ignoring the concerns of their citizens and catering to the interests of the elites. We have seen our freedoms crushed, the citizens actively abused by law enforcement and the citizens not protected from criminal acts. We are no longer being protected by government. Government is a war with its citizens

    #75075
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ my parents said know

    Your comment is much how I understand what is happening except I believe it’s even worse than described. It seems unreal but it seems to be our reality. Time will tell

    #75076
    zerosum
    Participant

    Hahahahah!
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-sen-paul-rips-fauci-over-gain-function-funding
    Watch: Sen. Paul Shreds Fauci Over ‘Gain-Of-Function’ Funding

    Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) went to town on Dr. Anthony Fauci Tuesday during a Tuesday hearing in front of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee.

    Paul alleged that the National Institutes of Health (NIH) had used a middle-man to funnel money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology via EcoHealth Alliance – which worked with the lab on bat coronavirus projects.

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    Paul specifically referenced so-called “gain-of-function” research which in this case has been focused on how to make animal viruses more transmissible to humans – specifically bat coronaviruses.

    “Government scientists like yourself who favor gain of function research,” Paul began…

    …only to have Fauci interject “I don’t favor gain of function research in China,” adding “You are saying things that are not correct.”

    Paul pushed back – continuing:

    “[Those who favor gain of function] say that COVID-19 mutations were random and not designed by man.”

    “I do not have any accounting of what the Chinese may have done,” Fauci shot back, adding that he’s in favor of further investigation, but that the NIH had nothing to do with the origins of COVID-19.

    “We have not funded gain of function research on this virus in the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” he added.

    “No matter how many times you say it, it didn’t happen.”

    #75077
    zerosum
    Participant

    Believe your leaders
    “No matter how many times you say it, it didn’t happen.” – Fauci
    “No proof of wrong doing” – Biden

    #75078
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Fauci will find his doom in his own way. He’s such a maverick! 😉 He said, “We have not funded gain of function research on this virus in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”

    Probably true. They funded it elsewhere, I’m sure, and I bet that Germ will soon produce evidence of this for us. For now, here’s this much:

    Feds lift gain-of-function research pause, offer guidance

    More Fauci g-o-r: Fauci Reportedly Relaunched NIH Gain-of-Function Research without Consulting White House

    As for Jacques Attali et al, I want to point out some context: the population has been on a runaway growth bubble for over a century, during which time the powerful have dispensed all manner of deprivation and violence to the less powerful against a backdrop of ever more ICBMs and ever less natural resources to sustain the population.

    It is foolish to conflate earnestly addressing this problem and proposing methods more peaceful than a Holocaust here and a nuclear winter there.

    It is not a pleasant topic, but we tend to forget this simple fact: we’re fucked any way you look at it.

    Few people will line up to voluntarily euthanize (although we’ll see a major rise in suicide and murder as things disintegrate), so it is natural for TPTB to ponmder ways to make it heppen more peacefully than not… because not to do so will lead to such widespread famine and warfare it will make the Book of Revelations seem gentle.

    As for Gates/vaccination/depopulation: when famine or a majorly decimating pandemic hits, the birthrate goes through the roof. This happrens in almost all species: heavy survival pressure bids us to screwe our brains out and massively reproduce so that at least a few kids get through, for bio9logy isa drioven by our unique individual separate genes which drive behaviors concerned about making sure an individual’s genes get through even if most other genes don’t.

    People screw all day in refugee camps is only because there’s nothing else to do, it feels great, and we crave the human connection. We don’t THINK ‘I must reproduce excessively so my genes carry on’, we just do it via basic emotional impulses… our emotions after all being shaped by Darwinian reproductive/selective pressure.

    I know an idealistic young Xtian couple who are breeding kids like Mormons on Viagra because they are also government-mistrusting health-fanatics who are aware of the fertility crisis. Somehow they think it’s bad if we have less than 8-billion plus homo saps on the planet.

    Yes, Gates is an insane piece of work. Boy ain’ty right in the head. But looking for a way to depopulate in a way that doesn’t invlove war or famine or major plagues is in itself a good thing, imo, not a bad. WHat they’re doing will only make it worse, but that’s par for the course.

    As for New World Order globalist plans: it’s logical to how we’ve done things since Christ wore training wheel sideburns at rabbi school. THey and most everybody else believes in centralized authority over vast numbers of people; we’re a planet of nations. WHat they propose is logical per that point of view. It’s implicit in the Star Trek model of utopian future that is the de facto default setting for Euromerican modes of thoughts about a future happier than not, which everyone wants to believe in, of course.

    So my question is: why all the whining? Would you prefer all out nuclear warfare? That’s one of the things that guys like Atali are trying to avoid. They’re doing an extremely bad job of it, b ut that too is par for the course because (secret whisper): there are way too many of uss in all respects. WAY too many.

    Something’s going to cull the herd. Might very be ourselves, albeit in our usual fashion: one group oppressing another. It’s how we roll.

    fwiw, here’s a look into Attali’s work on large-scale challenges to human survival/prosperity:

    Reflections on growth and positive economics
    Commission for the Liberation of French Growth, known as “Attali Commission”
    On 24 July 2007, Nicolas Sarkozy appointed Jacques Attali to chair a bipartisan commission charged with studying “the bottlenecks that constrain growth”. It was composed of 42 members, freely appointed by Attali, mostly liberals and social democrats. Its unanimous report was handed over to the President on 23 January 2008. It contained various recommendations to radically transform the French economy and society in order to unlock economic growth.

    Commission for “Positive Economics”
    In 2012, French President François Hollande ordered from Attali a report on the “positive economics” situation. The aim of this report was to put an end to the short-termism, to move from an individualistic economy based on the short-term to an economy based on public interest and the interest of future generations, to organize the transition from an old model based on the wealth economy to a model in which economic agents will have other obligations than profit maximization. This report, written by a wide-ranging commission, proposed 44 reforms.
    <end>

    I don’t want to sanctify the man but he’s hardly a demon, more like someone making an attempt to be a realist. Sadly, he’s an economist so he probably thinks entropy is some word for nerds to use in physics labs, not a real thing in real life.

    #75079
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Fauci’s scared.

    #75080

    A seemingly long while back I wondered on here: how would you feel if the survivors of some future kill-off were the ones who caused it? Would it bother you that the diamond-hearted, self-appointed übermensch were the future of humankind?

    Freudian slip– cute as the dickens, from Inv.watchblog.

    #75081
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    I take back my recommendation to join the world wide demonstrations on Saturday – their information on the goals is non-existent. You would have no idea what you are signing up for.

    #75082
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Ah a mixture of a nihilist and a sadist! Let the rich kill you off! They created the problem, hence they’re not allowed to decide the “solution”. You know what the best part about chaos is Madimski? It’s fair.

    #75083
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Mr. House

    If you refer to me (I’m not sure) there’s no sadism involved. Nihilism, yes, in regards to humanity by itself. I have less than zero hope for humanity by itself to pull itself out of its self-dug grave by its bootstraps. This is why I’ve explored spiritual/supernatural explanations… and to my surprise, found them fairly logical.

    As for “let the rich kill you off”: you need to start thinking more before you reply to me. The rich are killing us off regardless but that’s beside the point. It’s not at all sadistic for me to say that I think scaled depopulation by means less violent than nuclear warfare is a better idea than massive warfare amid massive deprivation, chaos, and anomie. Nor is it sadistic (or defeatist) to think that it is better for the experts/authorities to think in terms of organized euthanasia rather than wanton global indiscriminate genocide.

    Seriously: where do you come up with these interpretations?

    As a nihilist regarding secular humanity, I don’t care about “fair” either. I care, pragmatically, about what’s feasible, and idealistically, I care about loving kindness as my primary objective come what may including imprisonment, torture, and all those lovely prospects that are likely to await a renegade like me when push comes to shove.

    A Prayer for a bit of sanctuary

    #75084
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

    “So what do we do if this disease mutates and starts killing the young and the healthy, or God forbid, too many people who actually matter?”

    “Don’t sweat it, we’ll just make it so that it can be treated with something as easy to produce and distribute as aspirin tablets, but of course that also means we’ll have to work extra hard to keep knowledge of this ‘cheat treatment’ suppressed and on the margins. By this time, the world will be so full of propaganda and confusion that most people won’t know their asses from a hole in the ground, so that should be easy enough.”

    #75085
    Archie
    Participant

    @madamski

    You seem to be proselytizing a bit much lately. I’m with House on this one. Let’s create our own chaos and see what happens.

    #75086
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Archie

    “Let’s create our own chaos and see what happens.”

    That is exactly what I have been advocating. Some people find it easy to assume that if I take an objective view of something, like the actions, roles, and plans, alleged and known, of the very powerful, that I am endorsing them. It is as if you are incapable of any but a polar position: they’re all BAD! and so we must hatessss them! or the revewrse.

    I’m simply pointing out that TPTB have ALREADY fucked things up to the max, collapse is inevitable, and I for one have little energy to waste on hysterical denunciations when there is, after all, this chaos that you mentined coming our way and in fact already arriving.

    Do you actually think I’m endorsing their actions? Shoot the messenger seems to be the new hooby around here.

    But go ahead. KNock yourself out. Put words in my mouth that I didn’t say. As a younger woman, I learned that we were defoliating entire watersheds in Viet Nam while also conducting a nuclear arms race while also polluting the planet while also burning up a millenium’s worth of fossil fuels while creating climate upheaval while crreating breeding super-pathogens via indiscriminate antibiotic use and increasingly rapid and populous global travel while sending our children to dummy schools while… excuse me if I find it downright sophomoric, all this pointing the finger at TPTB.

    Tell me something I don’t know, maybe?

    P.S. It’s not as if most everyone here isn’t proselytizing one thing or another.

    I know! I know! If we all agree on who to blame and hate, our problems will be solved! Yeah!

    Oh well. I’ve offered a few practical suggestions. It’s time I left you alone to your echo-chamber chest-hooting. I’ll leave us with this question: what makes us think we aren’t among the weak and stupid?

    #75087
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Madamski
    I’ll leave us with this question: what makes us think we aren’t among the weak and stupid?

    You might enjoy this…

    Everything you know is crap.
    Everything you think is crap.
    Everything you have been taught is crap.
    Everything you say is crap.
    And everything you believe is crap…
    Thayer Dowd

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