August 8, 2021 at 5:51 pm #82911Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Caspar David Friedrich Woman before the Rising Sun 1818 No, I wasn’t going to talk about the wildfires raging outside my hometown of Ath
[See the full post at: Between Two Fires]August 8, 2021 at 7:09 pm #82917grecoParticipant
“But we are not all completely stupid.”
Thank you for that, Ilargi.
A colleague and I worked on a piece of software that we had inherted from a company that our company had bought. The product was supposedly almost finished and close to working. On closer inspection it turned out to be not working yet.
Every morning I would walk over to my colleague’s desk and say, “you know, John, we are not stupid. This piece of shit just isn’t working” and then go back to my desk and hack away at it to make it work.
So yes, we are not stupid. No need to pretend that what we are watching makes any sense. We are being played.August 8, 2021 at 7:27 pm #82919Jim WParticipant
Thanks for this. John Michael Greer just published a piece on the covid crisis..readers here will probably find it worthwhile: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/140421.htmlAugust 8, 2021 at 8:38 pm #82924August 8, 2021 at 8:44 pm #82925August 8, 2021 at 8:47 pm #82926
Rafael Borrá, the first health worker to be vaccinated against Covid in Salamanca, an event that he was “very excited about”, has died of a heart attack whilst on holiday, at the age of 65.August 8, 2021 at 8:51 pm #82927August 8, 2021 at 8:51 pm #82928Polder DwellerParticipant
A Story for Our Times
I have a friend (I should probably say ‘had’ but that would somewhat ruin the ending) who is a GP in England. We go way back. Over the last year and a half I have been discussing the pandemic with him. We covered everything, lockdowns, social distancing, masks, where the virus came from, how serious Covid-19 was etc., etc. He always knew best.
With time he grew more aggressive towards me. It reached quite a head last year when I tried to get him to agree that hydroxychloroquine might be useful in the battle against Covid. Paraphrasing, he said something along the lines of “people just want to take a pill and go back to their unhealthy lifestyles. They need to drop the junk food, get some more exercise and take a vaccine which will boost their immune systems.”
I expressed some doubts about that approach but was quickly shouted down by the much more knowledgeable doctor. He said that my training (as an engineer) would mean that I couldn’t possibly understand these difficult medical issues. He sent me a document listing the trials with HCQ and why there was no evidence that it could help and why prescribing HCQ could be dangerous, fatal even.
Temporarily beaten into submission, I pushed the document aside, but articles by Didier Raoult, Zev Zelensky and others kept pointing to positive outcomes with HCQ provided it was given early together with zinc, azithromycin and vitamins D and C. I went back to the document and picked through all the tests. One by one I was able to dismiss them: late intervention; absurdly high doses; bad co-morbidities; and in particular, never any mention of zinc etc. My friend had told me that trials including zinc were covered, but they weren’t. I sent him my marked up version of the document with my findings and received back from him… crickets. That was when I first started to doubt what he said.
Things progressed with me emboldened but still assuming that he really did know better than I did. In December he was involved in the roll out of the first vaccines and I congratulated him on being a part of the solution. He was pleased and, for a while, things thawed between us.
I’d given up trying to persuade him about HCQ, except for pointing out to him that the Lancet had printed a nonsense hit piece about it. He was not amused and became very defensive. Then ivermectin came along and I tried him on that. “What sort of wacky websites are you reading?” he asked me (he’s a strict BBC, CNN, Guardian plus Lancet and BMJ, man), “You’re beginning to sound like one of these crazy conspiracy theorists. I follow Chris Whitty and the discussions on the doctors’ forums, too bad they’re not accessible by you. Anyway the studies on ivermectin are all flawed and inconclusive.”
I sent him more articles and papers on ivermectin but he would never react. Recently, I decided to ask him about the need for booster shots. His reply was straight from the narrative, that just like flu shots you need to keep topping them up. How about ADE, then? That’s not a problem because it’s not a problem with Covid. I said that that didn’t strike me as a good answer. That blew his top. I was reading too many weird websites, falling for the conspiracy theories, I should know better and that I should trust “The Science.” He sent me this SAGE link to help me convince myself that I’m a delusional nutter. I read the opening paragraph where it gave as an example of a C19 conspiracy theory “Is it a bioweapon designed in a Chinese laboratory?” I pointed out to him that that’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s a proven conspiracy fact (OK, I overstated it a bit) and that’s when he blocked me.
So this is where we are, good doctors caught up in some self-referential bubble and unable to handle anything which doesn’t fit the official narrative. I actually think that he is embedded in the system, that he’s been co-opted by the “dark side.” I thought to send him an email saying “At least you won’t be able to say Ich hab’ es nicht gewusst,” but I probably won’t.August 8, 2021 at 8:51 pm #82929
Across Europe inspiring images of citizens opposing draconian unnecessary Vaccine Passports – here protestors in Poland march against them
We stand in solidarity & should all make out voices heard. We can stop this. Together#NoVaccinePassports
— Alan D Miller (@alanvibe) August 7, 2021August 8, 2021 at 8:59 pm #82930
@Polder – I too have “fallen out” with numerous medic friends over all this here in the UK.
My brother has a PhD in Physiology and can’t wait for him, his wife and their 22 year old daughter to get their booster shot. Thinks I’m mad not to get vaxxed.
Even my father-in-law, a renowned US endocrinologist is horrified that I, his daughter and his grandson absolutely refuse to get vaxxed.
Just today, he told my US wife that he did not want her to fly over to the US to visit him and the family as “the delta variant is raging” in the US and he was worried for her health. He knows Fauci personally.
Otherwise intelligent folks have completely lost their minds.August 8, 2021 at 9:01 pm #82931August 8, 2021 at 9:14 pm #82932
“Paraphrasing, he said something along the lines of “people just want to take a pill and go back to their unhealthy lifestyles. They need to drop the junk food, get some more exercise and take a vaccine which will boost their immune systems.”
Such perfect self-contradiction — “people just want to take a pill and go back to their unhealthy lifestyles. They need to drop the junk food, get some more exercise” vs. “take a vaccine which will boost their immune systems.”. It’s not just that vaccines are a form of pill, but rather, the idea that people will somehow magically change lifestyles based on self-responsibility while being urged to hand over that responsibility to central-authority pill-pushers, corporations essentially no different than Frito Lay or Pepsico, that makes the contradiction so perfect and therefore perfectly absurd.
I suspect we will be equally impressed by the rationalizations they offer for their irresponsible (at best) behavior, once the tipping point happens and the oaficial narrative falls apart.August 8, 2021 at 9:21 pm #82934
“Otherwise intelligent folks have completely lost their minds.”
This assumes they owned them in the first place.( A gambler knows where he lost that money, and a sold soul knows where it was sold if not where it was souled.)August 8, 2021 at 9:30 pm #82935
And here’s how Pharma covers their tracks:
“Tens of thousands of people who volunteered to be in studies of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are still participating in follow-up research. But some key questions won’t be easily answered, because many people who had been in the placebo group have now opted to take the vaccine.”August 8, 2021 at 9:33 pm #82936
Jab….Jab….Jab….Jab…. Are these people mad?
“The former deputy assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan police, who has spent the last three months in Norway where his husband lives, has already had three vaccinations. His first jab, a dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine delivered in the UK, was not recognised in Norway, requiring him to have two Pfizer shots to be considered fully vaccinated there.
He said that if the UK fails to recognise the jabs he received in Norway, he may end up needing a fourth jab in order to have a complete vaccination record in the UK, where he lives and works.”August 8, 2021 at 9:58 pm #82938
From the Pfizer Vaxx contract with Albania.
And what a contract it is:
Sec. 5.5 Page 19
“Purchaser further acknowledges that the long-term effects and efficacy of the Vaccine are not currently known and that there may be adverse effects of the Vaccine that are not currently known.”
Full “Indemnification by Purchaser”: Sec. 8.1 Page 22
10 year Confidentiality : Sec 10.4 Page 27August 8, 2021 at 10:18 pm #82939
Listen to Jon Rappoport on The Delingpole Podcast:
Start at 10min 05 secAugust 8, 2021 at 10:19 pm #82940choochParticipant
Jafari joined the QQQ Raging Bull Stock message board in March of 2001. Did not post frequently, but when he did would talk about how the stock market was going to crash. Eventually he began to reference Japanese zeros and kamikaze pilots in his posts. His last post was on September 10th, 2001. He had used the keys on his keyboard to depict two buildings with a plane flying into them.
You never know who is lurking and who is posting.
The “Bat Lady” post on ZeroHedge the other day had like 300K reads and 1400 posts. While interesting, nothing worthy of noting except the use of bromelain and NAC for long Covid.August 8, 2021 at 10:27 pm #82941Susmarie108Participant
Between Two Fires captures the moment perfectly.
RE: “evacuees from the island of Evia apparently were made to buy a ferry ticket as their homes were burning down.” It’s not just the Gov. – really a sad day when the employees/the ferry operator on the ground – are unable to respond with compassion and concern by providing a free fare. Human kindness MIA.
It’s worse than we thought…our brothers and sisters have lost their minds and their HEARTS.
“You can’t make it up. A good time to count one’s blessings.” – agree with All my HEART.August 8, 2021 at 10:30 pm #82942
They all knew, from the beginning, exactly what was going to happen, namely Antibody Dependent Enhancement, and the NIH itself published a scathing paper declaring that “informed consent” was not possible without explicitly telling people that the Vaxx could very possibly make natural confrontation with Coronaviridae far worse via ADE.
“Results of the study
COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID‐19 disease via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.”August 8, 2021 at 10:38 pm #82943
Damage them with your product, then sell them a treatment!
You just can’t make this shit up:
“Tobacco giant Philip Morris has raised its bid to buy respiratory drugmaker Vectura to more than £1bn.
Vectura makes inhaled medicines and devices to treat respiratory illnesses such as asthma, and counts Novartis and GSK among its customers.”August 8, 2021 at 11:18 pm #82950
Polder: thank you for taking the time to post your experience. Interesting and informative. However … “good doctors caught up in some self-referential bubble and unable to handle anything which doesn’t fit the official narrative …”
After talking with my [close] relative today who is a pediatrician? I humbly submit there isn’t anything good about these doctors anymore.
Susmarie: “the ferry operator on the ground – are unable to respond with compassion and concern …”
Of course they can. They choose not to because they don’t want to lose their jobs.
It’s time we pick what side we’re on. It is WELL PAST TIME to stop making excuses for people going along to get along. Especially medical professionals. Am I pissed? You betcha.
Raul – This is a genuinely heartfelt and very well written essay. Thank you. I’m flat broke and unemployed right now, looking for a “remote” job because I won’t mask or vaxx (NY is strict so local is out). As soon as I have income again, I’ll restart my donations to TAE and the kitchen. Truly sorry I can’t help right now.
I also apologize in advance for my reaction if d&d jump in and try to mess with this essay.August 8, 2021 at 11:28 pm #82952
A short word about the Australian military and plague management
It’s not as dire as depicted in recent TAE posts. Yet. The ADF (Australian Defence Force) have been co-opted into various plague control measures, mainly to provide more manpower for monitoring and distribution work. In the streets when accompanying police they are uniformed but unarmed. In Canberra I have seen none of this.
Of course, this can be thin-end-of-the-wedge stuff, velvet glove and iron fist sort of thing. I await with morbid curiosity to see what the mooted vaccine passport scheme will do to us.
One thing I do NOT want to see is violence in the streets, especially the lethal kind. I look at young policemen and wonder how many of them have children waiting for daddy to come home. Both the authorities and the people are really on the same side but don’t know it yet. Unless and until bad side effects appear which cannot be blamed on anything but the vaccines, then the narrative will continue and the public will accept it.
It’s got to the stage here where the incumbent federal government may be voted out at the next elections owing to the allegedly incompetent and tardy manner in which it commenced a mass vaccination program!August 8, 2021 at 11:33 pm #82953
@ezlxa: ” …co-opted into various plague control measures, mainly to provide more manpower for monitoring and distribution work …”
Can you provide details on exactly what that entails? (thank you!)August 8, 2021 at 11:50 pm #82955sumac.carolParticipant
Here we are facing evidence of severe climate change (fires) and the only draconian measures our leaders implement are for COVID. No grounding of flights to combat climate change, even if your city is burning. Absurd.
On the social front, I manage to piss off people in both camps. Interesting times.August 8, 2021 at 11:57 pm #82956VietnamVetParticipant
Lytton BC, Malden WA, Pine City WA, Talent, OR, Vida, OR, and Greenville, CA are towns destroy on the West Coast that I have passed through in my travels. Although my Grandfather survived the Big Burn in Idaho with the clothes on his back, I never grasped how dangerous and fragile existence is until this year as the effects of climate change and the coronavirus pandemic rip across the world.
The ruling western corporate state does not give a damn if the people or the infrastructure survive. Only the restoration of democracy and the rule of law can save western civilization. Fighting fires and disease costs lots of money the Elite do not want to spend.August 8, 2021 at 11:57 pm #82957russellnblbsParticipant
Are we sure they were ever smart in the first place? Has anyone else read Spenglers decline of the west from way back in the early 20th century? Our hubristic belief in the power of science has always been a sort of religious hold over linked up for our yearning for infinite space and ascension tied up with the industrial revolution. Not saying that science is not an extremely powerful tool to use in encounters with the universe, but it does not find truth.
Our way of dealing with living things has become so distorted due to our machine thinking. We didn’t even have to wait to find out that the vaccines were bad, we could tell they were going to be the first time someone said they work like a computer operating system. It’s just another of many examples of trying to make living things behave like machines, by pushing a button here and expecting a result there. Life does not play by those rules, it’s a complex system with almost unnumbered non linear possibilities that can arise.
As a farmer I have seen this first hand. Industrial agriculture is the most destructive practice on the planet, and it’s destruction stems from a scientific machine view of the world. This has led to environmental catastrophe, human health catastrophe and will most likely finally lead to a collapse in the system itself. The whole paradigm in which the modern west views the world is intrinsically linked to the progress and machines and it may be fitting if we finally perform ritual suicide by trying to apply this paradigm to ourselves.August 8, 2021 at 11:59 pm #82958
@sumac: funny! I manage to piss off people in both camps, too.
Off topic: since you grow garlic, a question: if I purchase a quantity of garlic, what is the best way to store in the long term? How long will it last?August 9, 2021 at 12:07 am #82963
@russell: “Are we sure they were ever smart in the first place?”
Your post is a copy/paste to my laptop because it deserves to be read. Over and over and over …
I love this place.August 9, 2021 at 12:27 am #82967Figmund SreudParticipant
Dr. Richard Flaming on the Delta variant:
The Delta Variant
Viruses depend upon a host to live and reproduce itself. In the case of SARS-CoV-2 that means people. If the virus becomes too dangerous and kills you, then the virus will NOT survive and will not be able to spread to other people. It will die inside you. [Yes, a few might escape before you die, but this is not going to continue very long before the virus can no longer escape.]
Viruses evolve to survive. When pressure is placed on a living organism, those that are too weak or susceptible to the pressure will die; leaving only those without that weakness alive to survive and perpetuate the next generation. …
F.S.August 9, 2021 at 12:34 am #82968
The Golden Calf
32 When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods[a] who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.”
2 Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods,[b] Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”
5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, “Tomorrow there will be a festival to the Lord.” 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.
Why would they do this after Yahweh had smacked the Egyptians down eleven ways (ten plagues, famines, etc. and one mass Red Sea drowning) from Sunday? Because Moses was gone, they feared, so they focused on the next thing they could agree on, that which they loathed and feared, but knew well.
Rather than face an uncertain harsh future without a good guide that they now believed in, they focused their attention on the bad guide that they formerly believed in. I see some of that among us: convinced that Moses (as metaphor for sane righteous governance and leadership) seems unlikely to return, we focus our attention on the evil of Moloch/Baal (TPTB, etc.). We circle around it, worshipfully condemning its hideous evil, pointing out every wicked detail of its golden, blood-smeared visage.
We tell ourselves that that if we can just get enough of us to dance around the thing while calling it the dirty names it genuinely deserves, we can defeat it. Faster! Faster! More of us!… until some Moses comes down with a granite slab, with or without inscribed magic rules, and bashes the thing’s head in (not really but it makes good footage). Actually, he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.
21 He said to Aaron, “What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?”
22 “Do not be angry, my lord,” Aaron answered. “You know how prone these people are to evil. 23 They said to me, ‘Make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.’ 24 So I told them, ‘Whoever has any gold jewelry, take it off.’ Then they gave me the gold, and I threw it into the fire, and out came this calf!”
Aaron, the little manager of that world, offers the usual bureaucrat under oath explanation: “It just happened! I don’t remember making it!”
Moses, the guy who gits’r’dun, “saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
I fear the looming Moses and the growing, large groups of people who feel diametrically opposed to each other, groups that such a Moses might commandeer. Not fear it as in experience the paralysis of emotional fixation, but as in a driving motivation to look for people who pay more attention to each other than whatever central glittering object — WWWF sham-shows or Moses or Golden Calf or Official Anti-Narrative — avails.
We need our gods, but we also need each other. Without respect for the individual, we become a godless people running crazy circles around some giant heap of phony digital gold aka TPTB.August 9, 2021 at 1:30 am #82970August 9, 2021 at 1:38 am #82971
Sure, Here are some links:
The first link is east coast, the last to the west coast.
I don’t like the precedent at all, even though the practice is mostly benign for now. We have a federal government which exhibits overtly authoritarian behaviour. Mind you, I saw the same kind of authoritarianism during the Vietnam War, so to me it’s nothing new. Even so, it’s a very bad trend.
If you believe in any sort of karma, then maybe the general public here are getting a dose of their own medicine. We have kept refugees in durance vile for the heinous crime of coming to this country by boat instead of aircraft — and the public has tolerated it. We have allowed Julian Assange to be grossly abused — and the public has tolerated it. We have oppressed and killed our indigenous peoples — and the public has tolerated it. Our federal government has too many members from the Christian Right who make a show of their religion. They have a form of godliness but deny it any place in their public lives. This double standard is quite obvious and many people are outraged by it — but the public tolerate it.August 9, 2021 at 1:45 am #82972
Another one of those things Dr. D calls a lie:
“The vaccinated are angry. That’s understandable but unproductive, health “experts” say” (some dumb headline today)
” “It’s not a pandemic of ignorance,” the Santa Monica Daily Press quipped in an editorial about Los Angeles County’s spike in cases and hospitalizations. “This is a surge of straight stupidity.”
The new covid variant: it makes a pandemic spike into a surge of stupidity.
This “surge of stupidity” in this “pandemic of ignorance seems poised to turn into a tsunami of smartass wiseguys including folks like us.
“…nothing lasts forever, when stupid turns to clever, why are you surprised, little know-it-all?”August 9, 2021 at 1:50 am #82973
“Stray Dog Brings His Friends To Destroy The Car Of The Evil Man Who Kicked Him”
“A man in China was enraged when he found a stray dog sleeping in his favorite parking spot.
Instead of coaxing the dog to move, the man simply got out of his car and started kicking the dog mercilessly.
The startled dog ran away, and the man parked his car and went indoors.
However, just minutes later a neighbor noticed a pack of angry street dogs approaching the dog-kicker’s car.
The victim dog had come with reinforcements to get even with his abuser! The united army of stray dogs threw themselves at the man’s car and started vandalizing it from all corners!”
Probably true. Dogs don’t chew car metal in a group without good reason. It’s also an example of a sanctimonious, “justice-balancing” sleaze-ride down a slippery ‘doxing’ slope. And then it’s also an example of how entitled socionarcs end up on the wrong side of a power struggle without even knowing it.August 9, 2021 at 1:58 am #82974
I think Germ wins the internet today with the post about the patient consent study.August 9, 2021 at 2:01 am #82975
While the plague is among us — while the fungus is among us — TPTB seem to be indulging in resource grabs. There’s a recent proposal to hugely increase visitation to Kosciuszko National Park, even though the environment is fragile and healing after the disastrous fires.
Another proposal is to build over 3000 private units and a marina of 42ha in a vital wildlife area (a Ramsar wetland).There appears to be political corruption involved.
Ancient Gondwanaland-vintage forests in Tasmania are slated to be logged regardless of the loss of habitat and a source of unique honey and tourism (if ever that starts again) worth more than the timber.
Coal projects continue to be approved regardless of the effects on the Barrier Reef. Large areas of land in the north have been thrown open to fracking, land with powerful indigenous meaning which lies over Great Artesian Basin and never mind the thousands of wells some whose casings inevitably will crack and leak into the artesian waters and permanently poison it but this won’t happen because all of them are safe enough and anyway we must pursue a gas-led economic recovery because we’ve got nothing much left from which to earn an income having sent too much of our manufacturing to China or Vietnam or anywhere profitable.
Their mantra seems to be that even the biosphere is irrelevant to development. Got that? Projects are waiting.
A form of mania has seized our elites. The greed and stupidity are hard to comprehend. Almost as though they think some kind of enemy is coming and we need to prepare in a huge hurry.
One idea discernible among the Religious Right (RR) is that God has given us enough resources to
squanderlive well until Christ returns, whereupon the righteous will depart this planet for a better place and the unrighteous fry or die or something. Never mind how poorly we treat the planet on the way to heaven, it’s all going to be burnt up anyway and a new heavens and a new earth will be created. If a powerful contingent of our leaders, political and business, think like that, then no wonder we’re in trouble.
One comfort is that the influence of the RR is declining. Good, but how long and with what shall we replace it?August 9, 2021 at 2:46 am #82979V. ArnoldParticipant
One comfort is that the influence of the RR is declining. Good, but how long and with what shall we replace it?
Overly optimistic, IMHO…
There is a pattern of well over a century showing us for who we really are, and the direction we’re heading. That coupled with a complete failure of the public educational system (in the west) and you have a definite decline which is accelerating…
I must also include the college and universities as well; death traps of the individual and their freedom…
The latest addition to the angle of repose is the collapse of an effective healthcare system along with the doctors who support it…
(present company excepted)
The difference between Asia and the west seems to be the west has and uses it military might against all who oppose; Russia and China excepted (I suppose I should include North Korea).
Between Two Fires indeed….August 9, 2021 at 5:11 am #82983sumac.carolParticipant
Germ is a Gem!!!
UpstateNYer re garlic storage: low humidity is important. We keep ours on shelves in the house. The house temperature is typically on the cooler side but always dry, to protect the garlic.August 9, 2021 at 11:40 am #83008
Thank you, ezlxa and sumac, for responses. 🙂
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