Debt Rattle August 29 2022
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August 29, 2022 at 9:57 pm #114581John DayParticipant
@VP Gary: That video clip of the frightened toddler in the water, and the cheery, helpful big sister, looks like it’s Thai people. He had no footing, and his clinging position did not allow him to gain footing.
He loves his big sister, I am sure.August 29, 2022 at 10:00 pm #114582aspnazParticipantRussia can shut down its natural gas exports to Europe entirely for more than a year, without inflicting significant damage on the national economy, Bloomberg has reported, citing strategists at Capital Economics.
Everybody knows that this is only damaging Europe while the rest of the world continues on its merry way. Why would Europe’s leaders do this? Even if you believe in AGW you can surely see that this is not going to save the planet as the worst CO2 emitters are still operating. So what is the point and why aren’t the European people asking this question?
August 29, 2022 at 10:09 pm #114583aspnazParticipantImagine the pressure on these people.
Reminds me of the murder of David Kelly.
August 29, 2022 at 10:15 pm #114584aspnazParticipant“We have to send a signal to the Russian population that this war is not OK, it is not acceptable.”
Ha ha, better do this now because come winter the Russians ain’t going to want to visit Europe to live in cold hotel rooms in the dark with huge crowds in the streets burning whatever they can find to keep warm.
August 29, 2022 at 10:27 pm #114585aspnazParticipantThe Food and Drug Administration is expected to approve new COVID-19 booster shots this week — before the vaccines are tested on humans, according to a new report by the Wall Street Journal.
Anyone who takes these boosters, as with the last round, gets no sympathy from me, in fact I see them as the enemy, helping the governments and corporations to fight the people. Tennis players and others can drop dead and although I do not wish to see this, there is only one person they have to blame. The law of the jungle has come to the streets of the cities: kill or be killed.
August 29, 2022 at 10:33 pm #114586zerosumParticipanthttps://www.rt.com/russia/561758-ukraine-counter-offensive-fails/
Ukraine’s counter-offensive attempt has failed – Russia
Kiev’s troops suffered great losses in a failed attack ordered by president Zelensky towards Kherson, Moscow says
Moscow explained.
Ukraine’s much-heralded “counter-offensive” in Kherson has “failed miserably,” the Russian Defense Ministry insisted on Monday, listing estimated losses suffered by Kiev during the operation.Ukrainian forces had attempted to attack in three directions on orders of President Vladimir Zelensky but made no gains, Moscow explained.
Russian troops caused “great losses” to the Ukrainian attackers during the day’s battles, a statement read. Kiev saw 26 tanks, 23 armored fighting vehicles, nine more armored vehicles, and two SU-25 ground-attack jets destroyed, while more than 560 troops were lost, according to the summary.Ukraine SITREP: the promised “major Ukrainian counter-attack” ends in disaster
Ukraine SITREP: the promised “major Ukrainian counter-attack” ends in disaster
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“Today, during the day, on the direct instructions of Zelensky, Ukrainian troops attempted an offensive in the Mykolaiv and Kherson regions in three directions. As a result of the active defense of the grouping of Russian troops, the AFU units suffered heavy losses,” TASS reports.The ministry added that “the enemy’s losses in manpower amounted to more than 560 servicemen, another attempt at offensive actions of the enemy failed miserably.”
According to the Defense Ministry, the Russian Armed Forces destroyed 26 Ukrainian tanks, 23 infantry fighting vehicles, nine other armored combat vehicles, shot down two Su-25 attack aircraft.
Addendum 1: here is how CNN reported about this latest disaster “Ukrainian troops took back 4 villages in the south from Russian occupation, military source tells CNN“.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-08-29-22#h_52d9a059a8e55bb86fdb120a2c2b068b
No, this is no joke, click on the link above and see for yourself.August 29, 2022 at 10:38 pm #114587AfewknowthetruthParticipantOn yesterday’s comment thread Dr D added a link which verifies exactly what I have been saying for twenty years!
Thank you Dr D!
https://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/CO2-600-million-years.png
Prior to the Carboniferous, atmospheric CO2 was above 2,000 ppm. (we might note that this was determined not by direct measurement but by proxies and models that climate change mechanism deniers are so keen on ridiculing).
Anyway, back to the graph.
We note that the 2,000+ ppm atmospheric CO2 was drawn down over a period of around 80 million years, as the great surge in plant life converted CO2 into carbohydrate, and then that carbohydrate got buried and eventually got converted into coal; the great sequestration I have referred to several times.
The graph also reveals the Great Permian Extinction Event I recently referred to, whereby a surge in volcanic activity -the Siberian Trapps- de-sequestered sufficient of the sequestered carbon to drastically alter the average temperature relatively quickly – a few hundred thousand years for the die-off and another 10 million years of extreme volcanism and de-sequestering. The Permian Extinction Event killed off around 90% of life on Earth.
So now we examine what industrial humans have been doing since Newcomen installed a coal-powered steam pump to get water out of a flooded mine: extracting ever-greater quantities of sequestered carbon (coal, oil, natural gas) and putting the products of combustion -primarily CO2 and H2O- into the atmosphere, recreating the Great Permian Extinction Event, but on a very, very, very, very much faster time scale. Just 300 years or so.
There has been discussion about ice core measurements. Well, they verify exactly what I have been saying since the 1990s.
https://keelingcurve.ucsd.edu/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/co2_800k.png
Anyone interested in actual science (as opposed to climate change denial) will note that the average atmospheric CO2 level was around 230 ppm for 800,000 years (the period of recent evolution of humans and many other extant life forms) with occasional blips towards 300 ppm that were caused by the previously referred to Milankovitch Cycles. Most of those blips never exceeded 280 ppm.
There is evidence that the so-called baseline pre-industrial atmospheric level of 280 ppm was actually higher than it would have been without humans because humans had already started to mess things up via the activities of ancient civiliations….. chopping down trees to build navies and temples etc. and modifying land use; that caused and increase of maybe 20 ppm over a period of 20,000 years. 1 ppm per 1,000years.
That’s ‘rather pathetic really’, compared to what modern industrial humans can do! Modern industrial humans can raise the atmospheric CO2 by 20 ppm in just 8 years!!!!
https://keelingcurve.ucsd.edu/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_full_record.png
The Scripps Institute have not updated the graph since December 2020. Maybe lack of funding. Or illness induced by jabs. Who knows.
A new seasonal peak [due to the reduced winter photosynthetic activity of Northern Hemisphere forests] of around 421 ppm was reached in May-June of 2022.
“So what,” say climate change deniers. Or even worse, “That’s great because CO2 is a plant nutrient,” -another lie!!!
CO2 is not a plant nutrient: it is a building block for carbohydrate manufacture in plant cells.
One thing is certain: the maniacs who are in control of industrial societies and who churn out endless propaganda consisting of blatant lies have no intention of addressing any of this fundamental issues, and will keep industrial societies locked into use of fossil fuels -even as fossil fuel extraction rates go in to terminal decline- and will continue to promote completely fake narratives that supposedly address the issues but in fact only enrich insiders and make the overall predicament far worse a lot faster.
That’s what the science says.
John Day.
Thanks for your support.
In case anyone has any doubts, I alternate between collection of information and comment here (I don’t bother anywhere else), and personal preparation for the rapidly approaching economic-financial meltdown and energy-supply meltdown. There are few things any individual can do to prevent environmental meltdown in the face of semi-global fascism.
It’s a horrible job -telling people the truth they don’t want to hear, in the face of ignorance and denial- but someone has to do it.
AFKTT
August 29, 2022 at 10:39 pm #114588John DayParticipantThanks zerosum, for kherson battle-news. You also contribute to the useful information at TAE.
August 29, 2022 at 10:39 pm #114589aspnazParticipantDr D said
They need the people to rise up and demand it.
Looks like that won’t happen until an empty plate is served to them at dinner time. They will then beat the wife, then go out and beat the police in an attempt to get to the politicians: where’s my dinner!
August 29, 2022 at 10:48 pm #114590John DayParticipantI wonder when there will be a departure from the NATO-narrative that Europe must embargo Russian oil and gas to support Ukraine, until Ukraine wins, for her cause is just…
There is bound to be tension in the bribed European politicians, as it becomes more and more clear that they are harming and killing their neighbors going forward.
Is there some other “secret” lie, just for them, something only they know, which “will prove their wisdom soon”?August 29, 2022 at 10:52 pm #114591Veracious PoetParticipantAGW Marks/Fools:
August 29, 2022 at 10:56 pm #114592Veracious PoetParticipantAugust 29, 2022 at 11:18 pm #114593aspnazParticipantwillem said
However, this does not necessarily mean, (nor is it likely, @aspnaz) that “the billionaires are saving us.
It means that you are colluding with the billionaires to further their green agenda. The climate crisis is a billionaire project, it has created a “problem” called “AGW” and has recruited eco-warriors as its troops. Once you adopt that “problem”, you are helping the billionaires so the only conclusion that an outsider like myself can come to is that you are helping the billionaires because you believe in the “problem”, a problem that they created and own as a narrative, without any neutral science behind it, in fact with plenty of neutral science disproving it. Why would warriors join a team if they do not believe in the narrative and the goals? I believe this to be a great example of how humans can be manipulated, how their good intentions can be guided to support issues owned by the billionaires, this is the flock being shepharded. I put this on a similar grounding as the woke movement, again driven by manipulating people’s good intentions to gain the outcomes that are good for the owners, not the sheep.
August 29, 2022 at 11:44 pm #114594Veracious PoetParticipantFor WES:
August 29, 2022 at 11:48 pm #114595Bill7ParticipantThe question I keep asking myself these days is “what am sure of?”. Not much really, just that 1) there is less readily-available energy; and 2) lowering and better-controlling populations would sure make sense now from a ruling class’s (I won’t talk of its legitimacy) point of view.
Making the many proles less sure of anything seems like a good ruling-class strategy; and I think the replacement of family, community, and such by corporate-approved “wokeness” was quite well-planned and executed, at least for the short and medium term. I expect more of that and other kinds kinds of destabilization in the future, but at some point it will break down; esp when people do not have enough to eat, for example.
The doom-porn is really being ratcheted up again at the moment (notice how many links to it on the various sites?), but at this time I thing that’s more a tool of control via induced helpnessness than
a reflection of acute issues.August 30, 2022 at 12:01 am #114596Bill7ParticipantAs an aside, I thought that thing by Simon Tisdall in The Guardian was an unintended hoot.
August 30, 2022 at 12:11 am #114597aspnazParticipantBill7 said
The doom-porn is really being ratcheted up again at the moment (notice how many links to it on the various sites?), but at this time I thing that’s more a tool of control via induced helpnessness than a reflection of acute issues.
Interesting point, also implied by Dr D, that the gas shortage in Europe can still be averted should the Germans decide to open all the spigots on all the Russian pipelines. They are starting to see real damage in the fertiliser industry and I am sure more real damage will occur, but the Germans can still keep their industry alive by opening those pipelines. Remember that in the past they relied on storage but now they have extra pipeline capacity, so probably do not need the storage at all. My guess is that at some stage the Germans will turn away from the USA and go with Russia, probably – as Dr D stated – when the people finally decide to rise up and the politicians have a genuine reason and popular support to tell the USA to fuck off out of Germany and take their troops with them.
August 30, 2022 at 12:23 am #114598willemParticipant@aspnaz: We must have crossed wires somehow. I don’t see anything in your most recent post that I disagree with…(the one addressed to me, that is).
August 30, 2022 at 12:31 am #114599willemParticipant@Bill7: The Guardian is full establishment in its worst sense, but Simon Tisdall is unbelievable. This is the second article of his in recent days that I have been exposed to, and he’s either flogging it for The Man or is totally delusional…
August 30, 2022 at 12:36 am #114600Bill7Participant..Or maybe there are some false dichotomies being put to use at the moment.
One useful clue, to my mind, is that
the “vaccines” and related social controls were put into place- with substantial coordination- worldwide.Who shall one trust?
August 30, 2022 at 12:48 am #114601Dr. DParticipantFor Marx and removing Feudalism, as usual, everything said is a lie. Yes, Feudalism was what we know, but it ALSO had unbreakable responsibilities from the Lord to the Serf. Two-way. Like, what happened to elderly farm workers? What happened with the village? Yes, that was all the Lord and Manor’s problem. Which they shirked as all men would, but they did and must for fealty or their name would be mud.
Compare to our Progress, our better system: under Capitalism, paycheck, the owner has NO responsibility for you the worker. This also changed slowly, but at this point it is essentially universal. Zero two-way. All one-way.
Although the movie/book is about other things, you may see this in Tess of the d’Urbervilles by Thomas Hardy. “economic” changes (that were put in motion for some people’s profit) toss everybody off the land, and also therefore into deadly economic straits, most of which fall into Dickensian London.
So you could say both systems have problems, but is either worse? Or is it just better P.R.? I tend to feel the present is worse, although more materially abundant, but would not pick either of them by choice.
From Dr. Day’s list I have no complaint but it makes you realize how complex the world is when we list only one aspect, and that in brief. No spirit, no ecology, no art and expression, simply limited to economics system dynamics. And my very idea for the system is to decentralize, like ermigerd, why do people trust it? As Sri Lanka so recently found out? How they will control it, using centralized food, electric, as in Britain. If nobody trusted it, they’d already have a million pinhole leaks in the system. The whole nation would caravan on dachas, as the Russians do. If the bobbies came down, no one would turn them in, as the Scots do, saying get lost. Unfortunately, the very opposite is true: anyone in the West would turn you in for any reason, to certain death, with a tear of pure joy in their eye as we saw with Covid.
Unfortunately food is very bulky and comes from land which is extremely visible. That’s not a great setup for our next challenge.
The CO2 chart is quite the opposite. We had bigger, better fauna, and bigger, better plants in the distant past, 6000 CO2 regions. We are clearly the decedents of that era, also breathing, eating animals, and as I said, greenhouses specifically raise CO2 at great expense because plants are nearly suffocating at this level and grow unbelievably, almost magically at higher levels. Like 5x CO2 can equal +20% increase in light? Can bring crops in 30% earlier? I mean like, answers that show plants are barely surviving now in comparison.
PPM is crazy. 150ppm? Vs 8000? That’s like one gallon of water and 50 gallons of water, then claiming water is poison. Or 150ppm lead vs 8000ppm. Where’s the actual level that become relevant? Your tube (and climate model) was 1,000,000 parts per million: 100%. Yeah, I bet it DOES have an effect! But does 150? In a system that they are putting in thousands upon thousands of variables and still coming out dead wrong? Anyway:
So what do we have? As far as we can tell, at 150-8000ppm HUUUUGE range, a better, more diverse ecosystem, better, more luxurious plants, and clearly essentially no problems with runaway heat, cold, oceans, pH, storms, or anything else. So given some moving away from the coasts, even if the CO2 theory was real, it would STILL be a better world, more capable of producing food. That’s even if we didn’t definitively, absolutely know that war and mass death occurs on the COLD, not the heat cycles of written historical record. That’s what that chart tells me.
And like the CO2 LAGGING heat, which happened again this time, all planets in our solar system warming just like us, and the long-missing hockey stick chart, that chart is the 300,000 foot view. The very simplest chart, the very first one they put on your desk at school. Thoughts? Why didn’t the dinosaurs die of heat? The earth turn into Venus? The oceans go blank? If heat is so bad, if CO2 is so bad, why does mass death happen in the Maunder minimums and Ice Ages instead?
How about this: Imagine, Sci-Fi, a world where there is more CO2 AND you’re actually right. These things, effects, happen. So? What would the world look like? It would simply be more earth ships, more caution, more careful water, less ocean and land travel. And? So? Why would I care? It sounds better than now. I can live on Dune, I can live on Caladan, I can live on Trantor. Since this is the worst of all possible worlds, I can easily live in the Pleistocene, or the golden era of Crete, where you could be outside, in houses of pillars and open windows 360 days of the year.
The only thing I’m certain I don’t want, is this. Certainly I very much hope the climate is changing because it would bring circus malls, nail salons, strip clubs, big box stores, dead oceans, poisoned shores, leveled forests, slackjawed, nearly dead people, and their murdering, endless desert of cars to an end. Why would I fight that? What, am I fighting to SAVE the world for shopping malls? Trying to KEEP New Jersey neatly paved and smoggy? 12 million lawns with 12 million tiny lawn mowers? Why is what’s happening have to be the worst thing ever and not the best?
So what happens if CO2 wins, even if you are right? And what happens if it ISN’T – which I’m quite sure of – is far better.
So again: Life was abundant through most of that time with 50x higher CO2. No runaway. Plenty of animals, lots of vegetation. Land of the Lost x The Land That Time Forgot, worldwide. You seem to think this is bad for the ecology, but the “ecology” loved it. What’s not to like? The Ecology likes it but you don’t? Why?
August 30, 2022 at 1:03 am #114602Bill7ParticipantDr. D’s fine paragraph is worth requoting:
“The only thing I’m certain I don’t want, is this. Certainly I very much hope the climate is changing because it would bring circus malls, nail salons, strip clubs, big box stores, dead oceans, poisoned shores, leveled forests, slackjawed, nearly dead people, and their murdering, endless desert of cars to an end. Why would I fight that? What, am I fighting to SAVE the world for shopping malls? Trying to KEEP New Jersey neatly paved and smoggy? 12 million lawns with 12 million tiny lawn mowers? Why is what’s happening have to be the worst thing ever and not the best?..”
My thought at around seven years old,
really was “this is Hell on Earth.. and we’re supposed to save it?” I lived in Taft, CA at the time, so maybe not the best example.But then I’ve always had an issue with human sordidness (and not just that of others).
August 30, 2022 at 1:39 am #114603Figmund SreudParticipantIt’s the law! (Sci-Fi short film)
F.S.
August 30, 2022 at 2:11 am #114604AfewknowthetruthParticipant‘We had bigger, better fauna, and bigger, better plants in the distant past,’
‘We’ who or what is we?
‘bigger, better fauna’
;bigger, better plants’
How silly!!!
By what measure were plants better then than than now?
The plants that evolved in the distant plants just survived and thrived because they had evolved to fit the ecological niche of the time!
They were certainly much less diverse in form and adaptation than the range of plants existing at present.
The fauna that existed in the Jurassic were bigger because the supply of food was greater. Much greater, because the atmospheric CO2 was much higher, and the average temperature was much higher. (No huge vertebrate fauna in the carboniferous, just giant dragonflies.)
Olay, so humanity has been in the process of greatly reducing biodiversity via chain saws, bulldozers, monoculture plantations and planetary overheating. And of course, exacerbating overheating-induced droughts that lead to uncontrollable fires that wipe out practically everything. Ask the Aussies; they are experts on that matter.
But the diversity is still greater than in the Carboniferous.
Ah! I think I get it. Better at producing coal.
Yes.
Coal formation will never happen again because after humans have exterminated themselves some time around mid-century, if not before, the Earth will do what it has always done. remove atmospheric CO2 via photosynthesis and CO2 weathering of silicate rock and deposition of carbonates onto the ocean floors.
By the way, an often-overlooked aspect is that heat s generated within the Earth -a tremendous amount in fact- via the radioactive decay of numerous semi-stable isotopes.
As semi-stable isotopes decay into stable isotopes the amount of heat generated slowly declines. When we -greedy apes with enough intelligence to pillage the planet but not enough to sense to stop pillaging the planet – are gone, things will return to normal. Sadly, we will have taken down the bulk of the extant species with us.
We should note (but most won’t) that the life forms, flora and fauna, that existed before industrial humans took to mass extermination via actual spearing, harpooning, trapping, shooting etc. and massive overheating via CO2 emissions were adapted to an average of 230 ppm atmospheric CO2 and the temperature ranges that average CO2 level generated in conjunction with much reduced vulcanism compared to distant geological ages and Milankovitch Cycles..
By the way, the fascist/money-lender/WEF/corporate-overlord shill, The Guadian, had a headline about unstoppable melting of Greenland icesheets raising sea levels by several tens of centimetres.
The actual figure is 7 metres.
August 30, 2022 at 3:02 am #114605DarkMatterParticipantThe Food and Drug Administration is expected to approve new COVID-19 booster shots this week — before the vaccines are tested on humans, according to a new report by the Wall Street Journal.
There is a well known trope among software developers: “I only changed one line of code. It won’t have any unintended side effects.” Except it almost always does. Best practice is that if you change a single character you have to run the entire regression suite before merging in your code. Surely the complexity of mRNA should require even greater caution.
August 30, 2022 at 3:09 am #114606John DayParticipant@Dimitri: I read parts 1 & 7 of The Eighteenth Brumaire of Luis Bonaparte, which is what is included in my selected-writings book. Marx seems to be a smug insider, writing to other smug insiders in the club about the real life failings to enact Communist theory in the interest of proletarian revolution. What comes after revolution is never in concordance with theories espoused, is it.
Still, Marx needed to sell books, and he had a very limited and specific market among educated intellectuals of means who supported revolutionary ideals.
Michael Hudson is for most of us, in our current epoch, and was raised Marxian. He seems a lot more interested in serving his reading audience, also.August 30, 2022 at 3:26 am #114607John DayParticipantI thought I wrote that “Michael Hudson is for most of us, in our current epoch, a much more useful economist…
POOF! went some words.August 30, 2022 at 3:31 am #114608AfewknowthetruthParticipantControlled demolition of Building Seven.
In the Matrix: “They would never do that!”
Escaped from the Matrix: ” Of course. That’s what they [the scumbags at the top of the power pyramid] do when something, some person, some country, has fulfilled its purpose and there is greater gain for them in destroying
it.”Demolition of Europe.
Demolition of national economies (almost everywhere).
August 30, 2022 at 3:33 am #114609John DayParticipant@Dr.D: Yes, I probably unfairly dissed some feudal lords who bore their nobles-oblige’ to their serfs with honor.
(I didn’t mention the Marquis de Sade, either, though.)Thanks everybody who is engaging in civil discussion from disparate viewpoints.
I’m thankful when people can do this anywhere…August 30, 2022 at 3:57 am #114610Bill7ParticipantIt seems to me that a few of the watershed events for the West were:
-Enclosures Acts in England
-The darpaNet in the 90s: “it’s because We Love You, Proles!”
Introduction of the Smartphone, 2006: self-funded self-surveillance, with a big ol’smile..
There are more, but that’s a start.
August 30, 2022 at 4:18 am #114611Bill7ParticipantMy post above was not clear: I think the darpanet and the introduction of
the smartphone were new, digital forms of the Enclosures Acts. That might be a stretch, but we’ll see.August 30, 2022 at 5:02 am #114612aspnazParticipantwillem said
@aspnaz: We must have crossed wires somehow. I don’t see anything in your most recent post that I disagree with…(the one addressed to me, that is).
Apologies, I was not accusing you of anything, I have a bad tendency to use “you” when I should use “one”.
August 30, 2022 at 5:17 am #114613aspnazParticipantDr D said
We had bigger, better fauna, and bigger, better plants in the distant past, 6000 CO2 regions. We are clearly the decedents of that era, also breathing, eating animals, and as I said, greenhouses specifically raise CO2 at great expense because plants are nearly suffocating at this level and grow unbelievably, almost magically at higher levels. Like 5x CO2 can equal +20% increase in light? Can bring crops in 30% earlier? I mean like, answers that show plants are barely surviving now in comparison.
Which is why people spend so much money on their Co2 setups for their aquatic plants. The biggest retail users of CO2 cylinders are aquarium owners, not home brewers. The aquarium owners feed CO2 into their aquariums to create quite magnificent aquascapes of fresh water plants. They control the CO2 input to coincide with the aquarium lighting, they use automated equipment to turn off the CO2 and lighting at night as nightime CO2, when the plants are not consuming, can create an excess that kills the fish. As a result I get my home brew CO2 refills at the local pet shop, not at the home brew shop or welding shop.
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