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    Gutzon Borglum Repairing the Face of Abraham Lincoln, Mount Rushmore 1962   • New French Nasal Spray Eliminates 99% Of Covid Virus (CF) • S–t Pu
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle February 17 2021]

    #69814
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Gutzon Borglum Repairing the Face of Abraham Lincoln, Mount Rushmore 1962

    Now, there’s a shot…

    #69815
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    I can’t be the only one wondering what the “antimicrobial” is that the French have infused into ionized water to make their nasal spray. If there is something that effective against the virus (99% in 30 seconds!), why not have all researchers working on this to bring it to market quickly so sick people can inhale it in vapor form to clear the virus from their lungs?

    susmarie: from yesterday … are you able to share the name of the silver company you took over? Or is that not acceptable in a public forum? I purchase a patented 10 ppm colloidal silver whose name I’m sure you would know. Didn’t consider using it before going out in public. Thank you for the tip.

    About people in correctional facilities: this will sound callous, but that’s a low death rate considering the environment. Doubtful each inmate is living alone in a cell, having food delivered, wearing a mask at all times, and social distancing. Kind of demolishes the lockdown, etc., executive orders we’ve been living under here in NY for the past year.

    #69816
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    While Greenwald makes many salient points, I can’t be quite as dismissive about the fact that a pretty fair number of rioters at the Capitol were carrying fire-arms. Besides, if, let’s just say, a bunch of very militant Bernie Bros did something like that at the Capitol and a number of them were armed, the ones who weren’t simultaneously beaten, tazed, and shot to death would undoubtedly be facing very long prison sentences for domestic terrorism at this point!

    #69817
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    ““Mitch is a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack, and if Republican Senators are going to stay with him, they will not win again,” the former president said elsewhere in his statement. “He will never do what needs to be done, or what is right for our Country. Where necessary and appropriate, I will back primary rivals who espouse Making America Great Again and our policy of America First. We want brilliant, strong, thoughtful, and compassionate leadership.” ”

    The New Trump apparently lets professionals turn his press releases into sophisticated language. This could be fun. Madamski rows off singing a sea chantey about nattering nabobs of negativity…

    #69818
    zerosum
    Participant

    Your selection of news, for today, made me question the following …
    Does the past matter?
    Or
    Will the pass, ( that you did not know existed), change the future?

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hillary+clinton+what+does+it+matter&&view=detail&mid=8573653A72303DD049BB8573653A72303DD049BB&rvsmid=0FBE57957E148063570E0FBE57957E148063570E&FORM=VDQVAP

    SEN BENGHAZI HRG:CLINTON-DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE
    YouTube · 37,000+ views · 2016-07-21 · by CNN

    #69819
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ upstateNYer

    Viruses are really easy to kill outside of a host. Vaccines and similar products are good for the much more difficult job of killing microbes that have integrated into our body, using it, in effect, as a “human shield”.

    Part of the French virus spray’s effectiveness is, I am 99% 😉 sure, simply that it rinses the sinuses. Period. Flushes the virus out before it can get into the DNA factories. Physically removes them before they can infiltrate. It’s easy to kill bugs out here. But in the body, different story. Sinuses are not really “in the body” but, rather, “of the body”.

    fwiw, this old broad thinks we’d be wise refocusing on TAE’s founding poremise: Peak Oil and its corollaries. covid is a spent force. It has swarmed the planet and has done what it will. It’s just another part of the mocrobial scenery. But the dire implications of Peak Oil are very close at hand.

    #69820
    madamski cafone
    Participant
    #69821
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    I’ll put my marker down and say that I believe that covid propaganda will virtually vanish from our newstreams by fall. That cash cow has been about milked dry and there’s no more political advantage to be whipsawed from it.

    There was a time, long ago, when nuclear fallout and The Bomb were the major bugaboos. It got old. Now we only bring out that crusty old fright wig when we need to talk smack about NK or Iran, etc. Otherwise: Bomb? What bomb?

    And yet the nuclear war threat is perhaps greater than ever.

    No no no no no no no no no… I will not countenance this being equated with covid being a deliberate scam and all that “I want explanations! Now! Neat and tidy ones!” stuff which has become so fashionable.

    Shit happens, and the Big Boys exploit it as ruthlessly and self-aggrandizingly as possible, because that’s what a ruling class heavy on toxic narcissists and psychopaths do. It’s all they’ve ever done, and it can resemble them having master plans and plots, etc. But I’ve known several narcos, socios, and psychos, and most of them are worse at following plans than your average McDonalds trainee.

    #69822
    zerosum
    Participant

    Heavy snowfall
    https://www.cp24.com/world/snow-storms-hit-east-med-army-called-out-in-greece-1.5312193?cache=sazhusyrecmk%3FautoPlay%3Dtrue

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/heavy-snowfall-hits-syria-lebanon-israel-winter-storm-75941810

    Nearly 3 million displaced people live in northwestern Syria, mostly in tents and temporary shelters. Heavy rainfall last month damaged over 190 displacement sites, destroying and damaging over 10,000 tents.

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/heavy-snowfall-blankets-europe-us-cold-snap-pictures-14163522
    In pictures: Heavy snowfall blankets parts of Europe, the US
    10 Feb 2021 09:41PM
    (Updated: 10 Feb 2021 09:50PM)

    #69823
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Likeness and enormous size aside, which is given, Mount Rushmore heads are great piece of sculpture. Clean simplified, yet realistic surfaces of the face reveal talented sculptor in full command of the skill.
    Now, there was one of his assistants on this huge project, Korczak Ziolkowski, furniture maker turned amateur sculptor.
    Work on that project somehow got in his head a great idea that he can do something as grand too.
    Thus Crazy Horse Memorial.
    World largest “sculpture”, still in the making, is about to depict, what one can tell from the small study model, stiff and anatomically incorrect figure on equally sorry rendered horse. Other than NY Post article “Who speaks for the Crazy Horse?” ,which I could not read without subscription, I could not find any other record of anybody warning Lakota tribe that it may not be such a good idea.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/crazy-horse-memorial

    #69824
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/where-hell-are-we-bidens-cnn-townhall-disaster-ignored-mainstream-media
    “Where The Hell Are We?”
    – Biden’s CNN Townhall Disaster Ignored By Mainstream Media

    BY TYLER DURDEN
    WEDNESDAY, FEB 17, 2021 – 9:51
    In his first such public appearance since the campaign, President Biden joined CNN’s Anderson Cooper on stage last night in Milwaukee in a town-hall-style discussion. It did not go well… but you’d never know that if you only read the mainstream media.
    As LibertyNation’s Mark Angelides points out, it appears by the lack of coverage of this disaster that America’s Fourth Estate has entered a new era of wilful blindness:

    When statements from the president are downplayed or ignored by the legacy media, it begs the question of who can be trusted to deliver the news. There is an ongoing censorship war between social media giants and smaller boutique outlets that do not follow the party line. This situation has gone far beyond which service is most likely to deliver factual information and has descended to the point where the sins of omission are not only ubiquitous but also destructive.

    News has a duty to be informative, regardless of whether that information is personally damaging to the White House occupant.

    #69825
    John Day
    Participant

    I wrote and compiled this last evening when the electricity came back on after a day off.
    Internet is spotty today. https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/02/texas-freezing-blackout.html

    Sharing Space Blankets,

    ​ Texas is cold, colder than anything on record, overall, for this time of year, and snowed-in, which never happens for more than a day here in central Texas. This combination, and the long duration, 6 days already, and counting, make this event an order of magnitude or more beyond the parameters that engineers considered when designing safety measures. Something similar, but milder and more localized happened in the Dallas, Fort Worth area during super bowl 2011, I hear, but I don’t recall it. I didn’t live there.
    The cost to keep a temperature differential from inside to outside matters in several ways. Texas houses and businesses often pump something like 35 degrees, between 105 outside and 70 inside during the summer, with AC units, which are heat pumps. Heat pumps are pretty efficient. They might use 1 unit of electricity to pump 9 equal energy nits of heat outside. Gas burning furnaces and stoves are pretty good. Stoes don’t waste any heat. They are unvented heaters. CO2 does build up with lots of burning over a long time. Lots of use lived with unvented heaters for many years in the old days. Gas furnaces won’t work when the electricity is out. Stoves will. You may need a match.
    Electric heating is different. It does not pump 9 units of heat for every equal unit of electricity.
    Resistive electric heaters make 1 unit of heat for 1 unit of electricity. Resistive electric heaters take 9 times as much electricity to cover that 35 degree differential, and a lot of us are trying to get 65 degrees inside with 15 degrees outside this week.
    A lot of people need 12 times as much electricity as during summer peak load.
    About 40% of Texas households are currently without electricity. We just had about 20 hours without electricity, after 8 hours without last Thursday evening and night. We are fortunate to have a gas stove, and an older one with a gas pilot light, so we used it and blanketed up overnight, and sweatered up in the daytime.
    We have been able to cook. We have nice fresh produce we harvested ahead of the deadly cold.
    We gave some away, too. Not the spinach. Jenny cooked lovely Saag paneer 2 days ago, and I made spinach omelets with mushroom and cheese sauce today. Still tasting it…
    I carried in frozen rainwater buckets to put in the refrigerator and freezer, which became “the icebox”, which was fun to say.
    I put them back outside a while ago when the power came on. They are “recharging”.
    ​ Without internet, I read most of Charles Hugh Smith’s latest book, print version, by a window, A Hacker’s Teleology: Sharing the Wealth of Our Shrinking Planet. I have other books I still need to read…
    There is a lot of blame being cast in Texas, for political purposes, but the fact is that nobody would have budgeted for something this extreme. Now they will need to.
    Many natural gas wellheads are frozen and some of the pipelines are not working right in the extreme cold. Remaining natural gas power plants are burning all the gas they can get, and competing with residential users for it.
    A lot of natural gas plants have been shut down in recent years, but they are the only kind of power plant that can ramp up fast to meet changes in electrical generation requirements. Some plants will need to be renovated and brought back online.
    It will cost more most days, but it will provide resilience for times of severe need. Texas has the gas…
    There is no wind or solar electric power currently online, due to ice storms last week and no thaw since then.
    We got down to 8 degrees F, with a wind, yesterday morning, and 6 F this mo​rning. I’ve never experienced it getting below 16, and that was the winter of 1983-1984, when every palm tree in Houston died.
    All of our “cold tolerant” Mexican avocado seedlings, now over a year old, are in the garage in their pots. The coating of ice from Thursday has melted. We put them in there before the temperature dropped below the mid 20s. That’s too cold.
    No point killing them all. I just want to see which ones do better.
    We’re not sure at all if any of the 15 Mexican avocado trees in Yoakum will live, though we cut up a roll of white plastic to wrap them with in sub freezing wind Saturday (Thanks Jenny!). We have been making deer-deterrence cages of chicken wire for a month, so that helps hold the wraps, but makes them harder to do and to tie. Jenny and I drove back to Austin after that chore, and harvesting the vegetables.
    The “ghost trees” are pictured below.
    We hope some live, but people are proud of the few that lived through 1983-1984, very proud.

    I’m actually very hopeful for Texas, because this is a big adversity, unanticipated and overwhelming for all Texans, a shared hardship. Political unity of purpose is exceedingly rare these days, and organizations are locked into status-quo procedures and protocols. That’s terrible, and only serves a few insulated power elites.
    This event provides a platform for practical initiatives to be taken by (politicians in) the State of Texas, in the interests of all Texans.
    Washington can only get in the way of Texas reinforcing it’s power grid backup-capacity for severe events.
    Run with that Ball, Texas!

    Mike Shedlock is politically incorrect, but factual here. Natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel, and still abundant. Combustion = Real Economy.
    Hello Clean Energy Advocates, What Do We Do When the Wind Turbines are All Frozen?
    https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/hello-clean-energy-advocates-what-do-we-do-when-the-wind-turbines-are-all-frozen

    #69826
    John Day
    Participant

    I agree with Madamski, This spray is a nasal rinse, like a neti-pot. It physically rinses out viral particles before they attach to your nasal mucosa and get swallowed like little Trojans. Use a neti pot every 5 minutes at work and you, too will be fine. Hmmmm… How does this work if you just rinse your nose 3 times a day?

    #69827
    Farmer McGregor
    Participant

    @zerosum: Thanks for the “Heavy Snowfall” links. I have to chuckle though, that most of the pics look like they got maybe an inch or two of snow (including the pic of the Acropolis) which we would call a ‘dusting’; ‘heavy’ snowfall is a foot or more. Of course, when you’re not used to it or prepared for such you get disasters like that 100+ vehicle pileup in Texas last week. Snow Sissies!

    re: yesterday’s inquiry to you about re-posting the same links from the day’s Debt Rattle.
    I meant no offense, I was just curious to know if there was some kind of big-picture reason for re-posting them that I was not aware of, like maybe producing ping-backs or other means of widening the audience by distributing them beyond TAE’s readership (who obviously have already seen those articles). That’s all. New content like you’ve provided today — Marvelous!

    #69828

    John

    Hello Clean Energy Advocates, What Do We Do When the Wind Turbines are All Frozen?

    That’s awfully simplified. Wind is 20% of Texas power, and not even the biggest failure. All power plants must be properly winterized, and in Texas virtually non are, because one in a decade+ event. It’s not just the moving parts, it’s also water supply. There are ways to protect wind turbines from ice and snow, but for the same reasons those were not applied either. You might as well say:

    Hello Clean Energy Advocates, What Do We Do When the Natgas Plants are All Frozen?

    #69829
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Shows how tech, government, trusting others, doesn’t work. You have to look out for yourself, your own systems.

    Taking back what I said the other day, it snows in Texas, it freezes all the time, the media loses their minds whenever what happens every year happens again this year, like snow in Philly and 11 car accidents per 100 million people from St. Louis to Boston. But this is rightfully uncommon. Possibly not unprecedented as most things have happened, but clearly outside any design parameters, as Day says, both from raw temperature and more importantly from duration.

    I don’t know where everybody lives, but when there’s a snap, you can watch the furnace of whatever type start to get overrun while the poor thing runs flat-out and every hour is colder and colder. Maybe the pipes freeze somewhere. That’s when there is power. You don’t know whether to stay or go. And go where? They’re just not made for this, and in a way you can’t expect them to. Insulating all Athens as if it’s Minneapolis is a reckless cost.

    What I don’t conscience is that, like hurricanes, people don’t have responses and don’t have backup plans. You’re ready to drain the pipes with that one lever and go to Ma’s house, right? With your kerosene heater? You have a generator so it will keep the furnace blower and thus the gas furnace on?

    And the other stuff: you have a wood stove, right? Who wouldn’t, even there? Nope, it’s illegal. You have an passive solar earthship, that can be heated with a hairdryer? Nope, it’s illegal. You have your own wind, solar, generator? Nope, you have an HOA, a village code, it’s illegal. You have a 5gal propane tank and a catalytic in your apartment? Nope, it’s illegal. A candle? Illegal. You have a hand pump, a dug well? Illegal.

    Helping, helping, always helping. Helping us out of all the old ways that are the backups to the new ways. The only way is the NEW way, that costs more money, burns more new resources, and is magnitude less reliable than the old way. –But then we wouldn’t be able to throw the perfectly good old version into a landfill called the ocean. …But that’s not the point. The point is to kill and harvest people for profit. Maybe the people will attend a town meeting someday and stop such rules. There are exemptions any time they feel like it. It’s really that easy.

    If you’re going to have a new way, the least you can do is to put a jack and a spare tire in there for emergencies? No, literally those are no longer provided either, and there’s not even the socket to put them in. Planned obsolescence? So last century. Now it’s planned failure. And without the cooperation — like everyone having no slack, drawing the grid at once — their values, their lack of thinking puts me at major risk as well. No man is an island, though lately one might wish.

    It’s very hard to work around the whole rest of the nation committing suicide. Do what you can.

    #69831

    Farmer,

    Athens has nothing in the way of salt or anything vs snow. It still has tons of people without power, because hundreds of trees fell on power lines, which in colder climes would have been gone long ago.

    It’s like Texas, one in a decade+ events. None of it left today. But yesterday was more than dusting:

    filosnow

    It felt like Montréal for a short bit of time.

    #69832
    Farmer McGregor
    Participant

    @madamski: “…the dire implications of Peak Oil are very close at hand”
    A double Amen to that. I often hear it said or written something to the effect that “climate change presents the greatest threat and challenge to humanity”. I disagree; resource depletion is a much larger problem — predicament, actually. Problems have solutions…

    We will adapt to climate change. Yes, there will be migrations and areas with more severe effects, but the collapse of our industrial way of life would destroy far more lives than will rising sea levels. Without petro-agriculture, famine would be unavoidable in most of the ‘developed’ nations. For the time being, I’m glad for diesel powered hay harvesting equipment, but I am also stocking up on high quality scythes.

    #69833
    zerosum
    Participant

    Farmer McGregor
    TAE cannot dig up everything and go indepth with every link.
    TAE sends me on a train of thought. I help/contribute extra stuff that I hope helps us to do our own critical thinking/analysis of the info.
    I am enriched by the special thinking/writers/people contributing to TAE
    eg.
    Does the past matter?
    Or
    Will the pass, ( that you did not know existed), change the future?

    #69834
    John Day
    Participant

    Ilargi said: “That’s awfully simplified. Wind is 20% of Texas power, and not even the biggest failure. All power plants must be properly winterized, and in Texas virtually non are, because one in a decade+ event. It’s not just the moving parts, it’s also water supply. There are ways to protect wind turbines from ice and snow, but for the same reasons those were not applied either.”

    Our water is out now, a city problem, not our pipes. I did feel like Mish was turning the knife in the wound more than was seemly, but he made a good point about hidden costs of wind and solar power in a mass installation, as Texas has. Texas did have a similar, but more regional problem in 2011, and mandated weatherizing of power plants, which is “still ongoing” = not-done-yet.
    Texas politicians are throwing poison-dart accusations right and left, but it’s no protection, I think Everybody knows nobody was prepared for this, and we all have to make some real changes and spend some real money to be more able to support the grid when disasters happen, which they will.
    Natural gas plants are the way to do this, since they fire up quickly and can come online and go offline quickly. There is natural gas for them and water, and some have been recently decommissioned, but can be upgraded and refurbished. Gas lines and water pumps and pipes were problematic. That can be remediated. It’s standard technology. Texas needs to get together on this. 100 ft long turbine blades and rotor hubs are on the road every time we drive to Yoakum, new ones, going north to the flatlands.
    I’m not saying they are bad, but I sure wish there was a use for them, and Teslas, after 12 years or so. They are going to build a Tesla plant on our route between Austin and Yoakum, too.
    I hope at least one of our engineer sons can get a job there, maybe both. They live up in car-pileup-land, Dallas-Ft-Worth.
    What happened on that icy pileup was that it happened just past the crest of a ridge, so it was invisible to traffic going 75 mph, approaching it, until they cleared the ridge and slammed into it on the slick surface. Cars were stacked 3 high in that pileup. I’ve not seen pictures like that before.

    #69835
    Dr. D
    Participant
    #69836
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ John Day

    “Hmmmm… How does this work if you just rinse your nose 3 times a day?”

    If you do it throughly and keep some saline spray on hand for when you feel your sinuses drying (pay attention and it’s very noticeable), it should make it very difficult for a significant number of microbes to get through the snot wall and into actual tissue. Yes, snot has DNA and is alive, but it’s always leaving town and taking microbes with it, jah?

    #69839
    John Day
    Participant

    @Madamski: I’m awaiting the prospective, randomized, double-blind trials, of course.
    I was fairly seriously asserting that nasal saline irrigation with neti pot or Sinu Cleanse or bulb syringe would do the same job, but it’s all hard to do at work. I can’t even drink green tea and eat dried fruit and nuts at work these days.
    Hidden costs abound…

    #69840
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Farmer McGregor

    ” “climate change presents the greatest threat and challenge to humanity.” I disagree; resource depletion is a much larger problem — predicament, actually. Problems have solutions…

    Well, underneath it all is overpopulation and massive rersource depletion, as we both already know. It’s a problem ‘solvable’ by a massive dieoff and the bootstrapping of a new culture very different from this one.

    But… reliable stable weather is a MAJOR resource for agricultural cilivilization, and that is what we are. Petrofertilizers do squat against weather unable to sustain conventionally prevailing agriculture. We can’t control the sun and Terran weather regulated by it any more than we can reliably harness the sun to power our energy grids.

    On one hand, we want to save energy resources to deal with things like climate change; on the other hand, all we do with resources is fight over and squander them.

    There’s only one thing to do with our energy grids: learen to live without them. They will not last. James Kuntsler is weird about many things but he is right about this: abandon modernity whiole you still can, or face a VERY high probability of havoing to abandon being alive, period.

    @ Dr. D

    “I don’t know where everybody lives, but when there’s a snap, you can watch the furnace of whatever type start to get overrun while the poor thing runs flat-out and every hour is colder and colder. ”

    That’s just the stupid furnace fan that we spoiled sybarites think is necessary. I used to live in a 1941 home with what’s called a gravity-feed gas furnace.

    That means that it used convection and thermal difference to move air around the house. Slowly but plenty fast enough. House stayed plenty warm but with a wider range because it didn’t use motor power to move the air.

    It could run all day long and not wear out nor burn out. And one could convert it to burning coal or wood quite easily, just a bit of flue work.

    Also: “What I don’t conscience is that, like hurricanes, people don’t have responses and don’t have backup plans. ”

    It’s neither your nor your consciences business.This is a crazy culture, and that is because human beings are inherently nuts. But it’s soothingly distracting to point a blaming finger. Knock thyself out. You’re demonstrating a major part of why those backup considerations rarely exist: we’re always too busy concerning ourselves with what other people do to fully grasp what might be in our genuine own best interests, much less those of others.

    Like an ancient fiction character said when I was young and wild:

    Always Cut Cards<>Mind Own Business (R.A. Heinlein, Have Space Suit — Will Travel)

    #69842
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    A closing note for the day:

    Even underlying the physics driving all this is, alas, what we call politics: groups of humans working together for a goal at least allegedly common. Texas is experiencing its problems because humans are incapable of sane politics except in very small groups, period.

    But we speak with some underlying assumption that this isn’t true. There’s a political solution to this, we tell ourselves.

    There isn’t. If there was, we would have prevented these problems in the first place. We’ve known about them for many decades. But rather than deal with finite reality, we sniffed the gasoline and got high on the fumes. Result, stuff like this:

    image 1

    image 2

    image 3

    And my favorite:

    The Isolater

    #69843
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Looks like he’s charging his cellphone. 😉

    #69844
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Right on Dr. D. People are going to get a wake up call when infrastructure like electricity, gas, fuel delivery and grocery supply chains fail. It is worthwhile to know how things were done in the past and work on putting yourself in a life where that can be done.

    #69846
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    To rely on electricity alone is to invite system failure. We need alternative and backup sources of energy, such as natural gas or even biomass (wood). Problem is that under present arrangements all of these contribute to climate change.

    In Australia the political scene is controlled by a surprisingly small number of people who are obsessed with digging up and selling fossil fuels — coal and gas. They deny climate change. The environmental damage to our country caused by fossil fuel extraction is large and growing, but such considerations are irrelevant to development.

    Were places like Texas less well-endowed with fossil fuel reserves, opening up a wonderful export market for Australia, then the damage here would be just appalling. In the absence of a fundamental change in how we think and act, it seems to be a lose-lose situation.

    More than ever I’m convinced that the total amount of intelligence in the world is fixed but the population keeps growing.

    #69847
    zerosum
    Participant
    #69848
    John Day
    Participant

    Market Economics:
    Texas Freeze Raises Cost Of Charging A Tesla To $900
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Texas-Freeze-Raises-Cost-Of-Charging-A-Tesla-To-900.html

    #69849
    John Day
    Participant

    Sadly, it does not cost $900 to charge a Tesla, because of imperfect markets.
    sigh…

    #69850
    chettt
    Participant

    re nasal spray…
    If you assume that you were exposed to the coronavirus and there is enough virus in your nasal cavities to make this nasal spray effective then doesn’t it also imply that there was plenty of virus around to enter your body through your mouth and eyes?

    #69851
    chettt
    Participant

    Most heat pumps have a COP (coefficient of performance) of 2.5 – 4. While a few heat pumps will still perform at temperatures as low as -15F, most heat pumps will peter out at 5F and switch to electric resistance heating. With the rise of power outages and colder winters, wood stoves are poised to make a huge comeback.

    #69852
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    Talking of nasal sprays, I have an article saying that a 1.5% povidone-iodine spray deactivates the virus within 20 seconds. Some time ago this strength was available OTC under a well-known label (Vicks? don’t remember). So I bought a 7.5% OTC solution (Betadine) but now need to dilute it before trying it. Problem: sterility. I don’t know if the solution would be self-sterilising or if I need some more elaborate procedure.

    Anyway, the virus is scarce in my part of the world, so I haven’t pursued this treatment.

    #69853
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Brilliant comments madamski, but I believe you are only has old as you feel and then you die

    #69854

    “Nasal spray”. and a really big nose— I see what you did there, Ilargi. 🙂
    There was another pretty good earthquake in Greece (5.5)- I suppose no one noticed because of the snow.
    Madamski- We lived in a 1928 solid brick house with a gravity furnace (coal converted to gas) outside of Chicago. It was the quietest, cleanest, most reliable system I’ve ever had, and the masonry mass kept the temps steady. In a power outage, we only needed a match to light the pilot. That tiny bungalow was a thing of steadfast beauty. We are afraid to go back and see if it’s still there in this “tear-down” age.

    Wood stove- check. Loads of wood- check. Generator- check. Extra gasoline- check. 20+ gallons of bottled water- check. Paraffin lamps and fuel- check. We’ve been through it. I loved the silence.

    John Day- when we lived in Princeton, the ground rarely froze and the bad nematodes were a real bother in the garden. Here in Mn, the intense cold “sterilizes” the soil. There may be a benefit to all this.
    Is a Mexican avocado different from a Hass?

    Bloomberg was all bubble stuff today, but the takeaway was: BUY!!!!!!!!!

    Ilargi: I have mentioned APOD (astronomy picture of the day) before- but today’s (feb 17) is outstanding. Check it out, if you will.

    For many, it seems really tough to say the words: I have enough.

    #69855

    Princeton, New Jersey, not Princeton, MN (or elsewhere).

    #69856
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    Participant

    Just an after thought from yesterday about joe.

    joe seems pretty hung up on being called president! He is feeling so insecure about stealing the presidency that he now needs to keep 5,000 troops in Washington until September!

    harris is doing her part to make joe feel more secure. She is the one talking to all of the foriegn leaders behind joe’s back.

    Does joe really know where in hell he is?

    #69857
    WES
    Participant

    my parents said know:

    I have enough of this winter! I want global warming and I want it now!

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