July 14, 2020 at 10:47 am #61094Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
DPC The Wizard Tree, Cathedral Woods, North Conway, White Mountains, New Hampshire 1900 • Pandemic May Get ‘Worse And Worse And Worse’ – WHO (R
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle July 14 2020]July 14, 2020 at 11:36 am #61095V. ArnoldParticipant
DPC The Wizard Tree, Cathedral Woods, North Conway, White Mountains, New Hampshire 1900
Great photo of a Magnificent tree…
We don’t know nothin…
…but we insist to act as though we do…July 14, 2020 at 11:58 am #61096
This is another story illustrating that SARS-CoV-2 attaches to ACE-2 receptors in the nasopharynx, lungs, and gut, but those are paths to the arterial circulation, where it attacks the blood vessel lining, endothelium, causing inflammatory response, clotting, and shutting off blood supply to bits of hear, brain and kidney, as well as bits of lung.
Many of the people who donated tissue for this investigation did so posthumously.
Charles Hugh Smith:
With mass media replaced by Big Tech’s data-flow / behavioral-control molecular media, political coherence has been lost, and so divide-and conquer control mechanisms are now essentially infinite: any group, no matter how coherent, can be splintered into warring fragments by the Big Tech Neofeudal Nobility.
After all, they have the data and they can use it however they want, with no limits or controls by users, citizens or nominally democratic governments.
How do we change the leadership of our Neofeudal Nobility, the privately owned, quasi-sovereign Big Tech platforms? The short answer is: we don’t. There is no mechanism left for influencing anything in the monarchies of Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon, etc al.
NYPD limits retirement applications amid 400 percent surge this week
“You have to be crazy to stay on a job where you are losing money, abused by the people you are trying to protect and not appreciated by the politicians,” the source said.
Biden Unveils $2 Trillion Plan To Move US To “100% Clean Energy” By 2035
This need not actually be a process of massive rebuilding and restructuring.
What will naturally happen is the continued loss of fossil fuel energy, SUBTRACTION.
Fracking won’t even be around by the 2024 elections, if they happen.
“Collapse now; Beat the rush”, as they say. Biden leads the way…
(Disclaimer: I am a fan of face masks in public buildings and crowds, to reduce viral transmission, which Asian countries show works well. The point is, power elites are dividing and controlling us with blind fear.)
The coronavirus crisis arrived in a flash with little time to analyze exactly WTF was going on. Americans struggled to process what is real, trustworthy and authentic as the unraveling of deep political decay revealed a behind-the-scenes subterranean power struggle that has surfaced with the intent on disintegration of American Society.
While the country is fast approaching an existential crisis on steroids, millions experienced an inner knowing that some indefinable thing was not right with recognition that the early explanations were hogwash while others, addicted to mainstream/social media who still believed in the illusion of democracy, were on board with the litany of spin from the medical and political establishment.
While the Lockdown could have been a wake up call for humanity to change its consciousness with a paradigm shift – whether it be a spiritual awakening, a political realignment or re-evaluating one’s own personal health choices, since, after all, humanity was locked in a major health crisis. And most importantly, it was an opportunity to acknowledge that the planet itself is ailing from abuse and neglect with CV as a metaphor urging a personal reconnection with Nature.July 14, 2020 at 11:59 am #61097
Iran Prepares Retaliation for Israeli Acts of Sabotage, Elijah Magnier
Israel is trying to stimulate the many Gulf countries who are anxious to run into Israel’s arms and establish overt relationships with Israel. These Gulf countries, led by Saudi Arabia, want Israeli support “to break Iran’s back”. That is nothing new; the Israeli-Saudi relationship dates back to the 80s. Bahrein, Qatar, and the Emirates all have established relations with Israel. However, Israel and Saudi Arabia cannot predict the Iranian reaction. Retaliation will come from the Axis of the Resistance. And it will come in an unexpected way.
When she was arrested, Ghislaine was living in a luxurious country house on 156 acres in a rural part of New Hampshire. She had bought the property in December for $1.07 million through a limited liability company that does not bear her name which was set up by one of her lawyers. Clearly the police knew exactly where she could be found. The house is a two-hour drive from the Canadian border, which might have been an intended refuge if she felt that the forces of law and order were moving in, but it begs the question as to why she would want to return to the U.S. at all. I rather suspect that she and her lawyers had actually been in touch with the authorities and some kind of plea bargain has been under consideration.
Why now? The timing would seem to relate to other developments. Only last week Federal judge Loretta Preska ruled that the documents relating to Epstein and Maxwell in the possession of litigant victim Virginia Giuffre had to be destroyed. Information about Epstein and Maxwell, extracted from a 2015 civil suit filed against Epstein by Giuffre, appear to have contained the names of individuals with whom Epstein had conducted business, both those he recorded in flagrante as well as his other clients and even his victims.
Preska ruled that Giuffre’s lawyers had obtained the documents improperly and ordered that all the materials in the files “shall be destroyed.” She also demanded proof that the material had been destroyed...
The upcoming trial could easily end relatively quickly with a toothless admission of guilt by Maxwell and a plea-bargained minimum prison sentence. All documents relating to the case, including any recordings, would be sealed, which would inter alia protect other perceived government equities, namely the prominent individuals and the spy agencies that might have been involved either as victims or perpetrators.
There is every indication that the Justice Department aided and abetted by the media is seeking to bury certain aspects of the Epstein case. A recent documentary on Netflix “Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich” carefully avoids any discussion of the likely Israeli espionage aspect of Epstein’s activities. Ghislaine’s father, who introduced Jeffrey to his daughter, was a prominent Mossad spy who received a state funeral in Israel after his mysterious death in 1991 which was attended by the prime minister as well as by all the former and serving heads of that country’s intelligence services...
Additional confirmation of the Israeli connection comes from a recent book by former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe, who claims that Epstein and partner in crime Ghislaine Maxwell were engaged in blackmailing prominent politicians on behalf of Israel’s foreign intelligence service Mossad. According to Ben-Menashe, the two had been working directly for the Israeli government since the 1980’s and their operation, which was funded by Mossad and also by prominent American Jews, was a classic “honey-trap” which used underage girls as bait to attract well-known politicians from around the world...
Conclusive evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was an Israeli or even American intelligence agent might well be derived from the former U.S. Attorney in Miami Alexander Acosta’s comments when being later cleared by the Trump transition team. He was asked “Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” … “Acosta testified that he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had ‘been told’ to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. ‘I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.’”… The simple answer just might be that Epstein was in fact an Israeli spy preying on prominent figures and anything having to do with the Jewish state, no matter how malodorous, is a political hotwire and off limits to Democrats and Republicans alike. If all of that is true, we the public will not be seeing anything like a “show trial” of Ghislaine Maxwell that reveals all and names names. She will quietly disappear into the legal system and before too long she will be out and around again, taking her secrets with her. Philip Giraldi
https://ahtribune.com/us/israelgate/4282-show-trial-of-ghislaine-maxwell.htmlJuly 14, 2020 at 12:33 pm #61099
Hey, are we still doing masks today? Or are we following science and research?
June 1 study, American Association of Physicians and Surgeons.
“All of the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lungs.”
“Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2.”
Not “Cure”, not “Halt”, it says, “Zero.” Nada. Zip. Ziltch. No-thing. Will not REDUCE.
Nevermind. Science. Research. Facts. I’m going to use my buffalo rattle and Raven mask with posies.
“Florida sets record for cases”!!! We all gonna dieeeeee! (and stop conventions and elections)
Result? 2% increase in hospitals. 100 people. In a state of 20M.
Calc.exe say 0.0005% So please buy that lottery ticket and swim with sharks in a lightning storm.
“Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE).
“Masks may confuse that message and give people a false sense of security. If masks had been the solution in Asia, shouldn’t they have stopped the pandemic before it spread elsewhere?”
That is, they’ve been used all over now, and also not used. Setting aside NYC which was late, no difference in states “helping” and “not helping”, or Sweden, or elsewhere. Differing results do not follow mask use that closely, or there are noticeable exceptions, just as study suggests.
Don’t trust the research, trust the “Experts”! Obey! “Respect my auth-or-i-tie.” That is, blindly submit to any nonsense we come up with, or boot on the face, forever.
“US Kids at Higher Risk From Coronavirus Than Kids In Other Countries (CNBC)”
True facts. However, when the risk is practically zero, slightly higher than zero is still effectively zero.
Hey, does anyone remember the Soviets who maintained tyranny by preventing people from meeting in groups of less than ten? And tracking who talked to whom using a secret database? Good times.
Japanese pic: 1. Don’t trust your family. 2. Never go outside. 3. Never be happy.
“Paul Craig Roberts, who was assistant secretary to the treasury in Ronald Reagan’s administration, has announced that collapse of the US is no longer avoidable.” — Dmitry Orlov
Yes, when a society is incapable of following facts and research but only chases fear, innuendo, and superstition, you can bet that society will collapse forthwith. But like Orlov, I’ve been saying this for years. Decades in fact. Because the one thing you learn from history is that nobody learns anything from history. You can stop it, absolutely! Nobody ever does. Tytler’s Wheel of Fortune turns on. Decadence to Servitude and Slavery as aside from truth, hard work and savings is the only enemy. It’s called “capital” as in “Capitalism” and we must burn savings and tools wherever they are found. That’s true love and compassion! That and all the areas burned are black neighborhoods and black businesses, that’s helping!
Soooooo… They are moving to mail-in voting. It’s been a wreck, exactly as the Right predicted, cats and dogs living together, getting voter forms. But the irony here is it seems to be disenfranchising mostly minority voters. You know, like the head of the NJ NAACP? But elsewhere throughout the country too. Helping! Helping so much! We’ll help those minorities until they can’t vote at all, like back in the DNC heydays of the Jim Crow South.
There is no level of satire or irony that can capture this anymore. If I said 70% white people burned black cities, black neighborhoods, shut down black businesses, and sectors that are primarily black jobs while preventing black voters and shooting black children, who would you think would have been responsible? Probably not “Black Lives Matter,” but here we are. No one notices. It’s racist to point it out. So that we can address and fix it and stop the active damage being done, because, you know, they are “Americans” with the rights and my duties to uphold equal law and support my neighbors and my countrymen.
Meanwhile, the Buycott is buying in active support of something, then donating to charity. Speaking of, now all CHAZ is going to scrub off graffiti and fix all the windows, right? You know, in a biohazard suit since the streets look like San Fran? Or will they leave that to Scott Presler (R.) and the Maga-hats? Stupid question: It’s hard work, like garlic and holy water, the only thing they hate more than history. And elk, of course.
Minneapolis just asked Trump (and me) to clean up his mess instead. I say do it with all those community service hours you get from convicting arsonists, but that’s me.
“How do we change the leadership of our Neofeudal Nobility, the privately owned, quasi-sovereign Big Tech platforms?”
Don’t use them if they’re evil, duh. If something hurts you and everyone, stop. Why is this so hard? If you’re going to PTA meetings and bowling…you know face-to-face, they have no idea what you’re doing, saying, buying, and have no power. So…hop toit.
“There is no mechanism left for influencing anything in the monarchies of Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon, etc al.” Really? Because I thought if no one uses them, they would be empty websites archived in a dark, unused server somewhere. Like Friendster and Pets.com.
Nope! Do all the bad things, pay them all the money, and complain. Well, you’re going to collapse then, what can I say? If you’re not going to lift a finger to help yourself, why should I? Is it too much to ask you to delete a website? Can’t do that for your and all humanity’s freedom? I guess not. Yup, these people would definitely have stood up to Hitler and sacrificed all for the good guys. Absolutely. You can tell by their Nike shoes and Apple phones bought out of slave plantation, organ harvesting concentration camps in China how much they would stand up.July 14, 2020 at 12:58 pm #61100
Just for the fun of it, google images of Dr. Redfield at the CDC, then google images of Wayne Carver, now deceased, who was the medical examiner at Sandy Hook.
My thanks to “Kia Kaha” over at Rappoport’s site, June 13th.July 14, 2020 at 1:11 pm #61101
The worse that COVID-19 gets, the better the markets do because the Fed will bring in stimulus. That is what has been driving markets,” said Andrew Brenner, head of international fixed income at NatAlliance.
Update – come and play
THE POKER GAME – the bid so far
Biden – 5 million jobs – Biden Unveils $2 Trillion Plan
Trump – 20 million.
Covid19 – All in – “unknown pneumonia” – Youth spreaders
IMF – ‘Equity-Like’ – MMT
military spending package – $740.5 billion
market – $6.5 trillion. – FED buy everything
insurers – fold
Steven Pinker – academicians – fold
peace – fold
Christopher Steele – justice – fold
THE HOUSE – JUBILEE FOR THE SELECTED FEW – Neofeudal Nobility
Rule of law – illusion –
——July 14, 2020 at 1:34 pm #61102
I went to the restaurant for a sit down meal. Last time was 6 months ago. It felt different. It cost more.July 14, 2020 at 2:21 pm #61103Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
The ‘masks don’t work’ thing is dangerous and complete nonsense.July 14, 2020 at 3:37 pm #61104
“The ‘masks don’t work’ thing is dangerous and complete nonsense.”
I disagree. Sounds like parroting to me? What is dangerous is people like Taleb using his credibility to influence his *followers* to a single point of view. Have you not detected more than a bit of double standard over there? The maestro can refuse *evidence* based anything. I’m cool. But I’m standing here on the face of the planet after 70 years and I never used Wolfram Mathematica on any of that journey.
Joe Norman’s the best of the RWRI crew. He is at least feet on the REAL dirt doing his own experiment.
Wax on wax off. Thank you Mr. Miyagi.July 14, 2020 at 3:51 pm #61105Maxwell QuestParticipant
In the early stages of the pandemic I would buy up the masks made by the neighborhood sewing circle and hand them out for free at the local one-stop-shopping mega-store. It was generally a positive experience where most were grateful for the gesture, giving them access to a protective device that was as yet difficult to find.
Then after several weeks I noticed a change began to occur, wherein the mask took on a political rather than a medical significance. That was when I discontinued the service. It was also when other mask sources began to come online and just about everyone who wanted a mask was able to get one.
Based on everything I’ve read, and my own gut instinct, I still trust that they are effective. Certainly not 100%, but any help is better than none. In fact, just yesterday I had to get into a car with someone who had just arrived from another region of the country. This was after enduring a sermon about how the whole country had gone crazy, and mask wearing was just another devious step in removing all our liberties. That is when I pulled out my mask a put it on. She looked over at me in disbelief and asked, “What are you wearing a mask for?”, to which I replied, “to protect you from me, and to protect me from you, since we are sharing the air in this car”. Cue the eyeroll.
“Just for the fun of it, google images of Dr. Redfield at the CDC, then google images of Wayne Carver, now deceased, who was the medical examiner at Sandy Hook.”
Sorry, close, but no cigar. These are not the same person.July 14, 2020 at 3:52 pm #61106July 14, 2020 at 5:30 pm #61107
Yeah. Ears, bottom lip, teeth… not the same guy, but, my goodness, they could have swapped out if needed. I wonder if they knew each other.
Oh, sure- masks work as they are supposed to work: they alienate, subjugate, depress, inhibit breathing, suppress being heard, and brand the wearer as a true believer in the masked medical totalitarian surveillance future that is being mapped out for all of us. It will be Hell, and it will be soon. (Check out “Covid 360”).
They just can’t block a virus. If they worked for viruses, people would have naturally gravitated to them during colds and flu seasons.
Japan gets the flu at similar rates to maskless societies.July 14, 2020 at 6:10 pm #61108
” Coronavirus Cases Up The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health’s positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.
The Orlando VA confirmed a similar discrepancy.
The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76%. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.
Ah, but we can’t correct this until AFTER the GOP convention. Tsk.
100,001st coincidence. All in the same direction.July 14, 2020 at 6:24 pm #61109
Well, that’s it. We can’t trust the the official published studies of physicians and surgeons either. Science! We trust everything but the open data of published studies of certified experts that match all the previous studies.
Following my own rule that they are adults, subset: experts, that is completely appropriate.July 14, 2020 at 6:55 pm #61110slatzmanParticipant
masks inhibiting breathing is easily debunked. Surgeons seem to be able to wear masks for hours and hours and no one is ever falling out in the ORs from lack of oxygen. I guess the next time you need surgery, you are more than fine with a mask optional OR staff?
See video of gentleman using a mass spec to show that O2 and CO2 level in masks just follow normal breathing patternsJuly 14, 2020 at 7:10 pm #61111
Rob Slane talking some rare sense on the Coronavirus Fear-Porn that’s *everywhere* these days,
and its consequences:
“In our desire to pretend death is not a thing; to put health and safety so far above the desire to live like free people; and to trust state scientists to order our lives for us, this is what we’ve become.
A nation in psychological lockdown, unable to get back to normality, because we have accepted abnormality as a price worth paying for protecting us against a virus that is harmless to all but a few, who could have been protected but were not.
A nation in psychological lockdown, unable to get back to normality, because we have accepted the arbitrary, unscientific diktats of a Government that spooked millions, and are now ready to accept their every imposition in the name of being kept safe.
A nation in psychological lockdown, in denial about the tsunami of job losses, business closures, resultant increase in poverty, resultant decrease in life expectancy awaiting us, and yet utterly unable to accept that it was not the virus that did it, but the disproportionate response..”
One of the best conter-Narrative pieces I’ve seen.
-Bill7July 14, 2020 at 7:43 pm #61113maryballonParticipant
From the widely respected voice of Dr Mercola:
Why the Rise in COVID-19 Cases Is Irresponsibly Misleading
Isn’t it obvious that counting cases is a function of the number of tests being done and the finding that being “positive” means very little. Please stop this fixation with numbers Raul.
Two things are driving the numbers of positive tests skyward, yet neither suggest an impending onslaught of deaths may be around the corner. In fact, the most recent data is good news and reinforces the idea that the fatality rate is no longer cause for panic.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/07/14/coronavirus-death-curve.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200714Z1&mid=healthrtlucm20200714z1&rid=916194116July 14, 2020 at 7:56 pm #61114
the act or process of recovering. …the act or process of returning to a normal state after a period of difficulty. …. the return of something that has been lost, stolen, etc.
Recovery implies going back to the way it used to be before covid
Its a lie. Its misdirection to use the word “recovery”.
Why not tell the truth. We are never going back.
We at TAE don’t believe the lie of “recovery”.
Its starting to look like that those who were in hospital with covid19 are not going to return to a normal state
Yesterday is gone.July 14, 2020 at 9:19 pm #61115thomasjkenneyParticipant
Steamboat Trips Jr
It’s quite telling that someone has to barge-pole this virus back into the main flow of the river once a week.July 14, 2020 at 9:26 pm #61116
So Slatzman. If we put an obstruction( like a mask?) in front of a an airflow orifice(like a mouth?) the volume of air flow will be the same as without? Basic fluid dynamics would say no. So can you compare the flimsy flat and leaky non conformal masks that the surgeons wear to a tight fitting high filtration mask like a quality N95 ? Do they flow the same? No they don’t . I gave my wife a tight fitting brand new N95 for her first Covid locked down grocery store visit. She had to sit down in the aisle just short of passing out. Compare apples to oranges at your own peril.
Zerosum. “….starting to look like that those who were in hospital with covid19 are not going to return to a normal state”. Geez man! Why go there? Who can predict the future perfectly? So a person is 35 years old Covid *case* and you say with *expert* authority that that person will for the rest of their life (40-50 years??) never ever again meet your idea of ‘normal’…or your idea of ‘recovered’. Here in lies the bigger problem than Covid. Someone else KNOWS what is best for me. See above.July 14, 2020 at 9:41 pm #61117
Nope. Its not my opinion.
I’m just repeating what I read, what they are saying in the news.
Time will tell who is lying.July 14, 2020 at 10:38 pm #61118
Wearing a mask doesn’t need a “scientistic” study to say it inhibits breathing. Put one on. If you feel no airflow restriction, good for you. You are wearing a badge, not a prophylactic.
Surgical masks have NOTHING to do with viral exchanges.
As for the composition of O2 and CO2 behind “a” mask- why would that change? If you have a capacious space behind it, it would most certainly accumulate CO2, leading to feelings of anxiety and panic.
I just saw that children over two need to wear masks in my area. This is child abuse. The early years are when a child learns if the face matches the words and attitude. It would be more effective to use the wretched thing as a blindfold if mangling the psychology of a child is what we’re after.
Lockdowns, “social distancing”, isolation, and masks, etc cause depression. Read ANYTHING about it. We’re making a future [that will be] filled with narcissistic, self-absorbed, neurotic “citizens”.
It’s clear we love the virus so much we don’t want to see it go away. “Slow down the spread?” WHY?
The totalitarians can use any virus- it doesn’t have to be “Covid” brand. And they will.
We are no longer basing all this on compassion. It’s about control- the magic juice of bad actors everywhere.
“Jason McDonald, a spokesman for the CDC’s COVID-19 response, said they do not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 2 “because of concerns about suffocation.”” Star Tribune May 26, 2020.
Hmmmm.July 14, 2020 at 10:39 pm #61119
Roger, understood, Sorry I meant ‘you’ in the broader rhetorical senseJuly 14, 2020 at 11:18 pm #61120
Brazil’s Bolsonaro fed up with quarantine, to take new virus test
July 13, 2020
During his weekly Facebook Live post last Thursday, Bolsonaro said that after feeling unwell, he had started taking one hydroxychloroquine tablet every day.
The drug, originally tested to fight malaria, has been pushed as a treatment for COVID-19 in many countries — but its effectiveness has not been formally proven and the issue is deeply dividing the global scientific community.
“I took (hydroxychloroquine) and it worked, and I’m fine, thank God. And let those who criticize it at least offer an alternative,” he said during the Facebook Live.July 14, 2020 at 11:30 pm #61121cloudhiddenParticipant
I see a lot of anti-mask sentiment in the comments here today. It is quite true, masks won’t protect you very much. The point is that they DO protect others. Same as covering you nose/mouth when you sneeze.Did you not learn that when you were a kid? My wife’s sister is a senior ministry of health official in an Eastern European country that was an early adopter of precautions. They have experienced a quite low rate of transmission and deaths because of widespread acceptance of those precautions. (death rate of 33 per million population) It has been noted there that when their precautions are relaxed, cases and deaths increase noticeably. We get the medical information from her as family without the political slant.
Also those who are nay-sayers, pointing to the high number of cases vs deaths in the world in general are incorrectly focused on a “recovery or death” situation. However, it is now becoming apparent that there are large numbers of down-the-road consequences. Here’s a link that explains some of those currently known https://elemental.medium.com/every-covid-19-symptom-we-know-about-right-now-from-head-to-toe-bd1d47584096
Personally I don’t like wearing a mask, but do so when in public in order to protect my neighbours. I wear latex gloves to protect myself. It’s no big deal. Lest you might think I am buying the political line, not so. If asked to label myself, I would gravitate towards libertarian. Taking precautions against a disease that we still know little about (maybe by design) is small cost in my way of thinking.
I don’t care what others may think (assume ) are my motives. As for avoiding groups and gatherings, again, no problem. I am happy with my own company, and run a small business that requires little in person interaction with others.
Hard to fight the system if you are dead or incapacitated.July 14, 2020 at 11:44 pm #61122₿oogalooParticipant
For some, seeing is not believing.
Look at the data.
The data shows lower transmission rates in countries with widespread use of masks. What do you attribute that to? Dumb luck?
Masks help because they train people not to touch their faces. They help because they reduce the amount of virus expelled into the air. The amount of virus you are exposed to is one of the key factors affecting whether you get sick, and if you do get sick, how sick.July 15, 2020 at 12:06 am #61123
First linked piece- ‘Pandemic may get Worse and Worse and Worse™’:
Not sure how this kind of fear-mongering piece benefits anyone other than the Few.. yes, it could get mcWorse; especially
if that further benefits the elites, who’ve already been enriched by around a half-a-trilion dollars since this mcCrisis began
(someone tell me how that works, exactly?); but is it not at least equally likely that the Plandemic will *ease* in its real
characteristics, as opposed to its online ones? Put more simply: who here has *firsthand, verified* experience with
this purported bane-of-man’s existence? Anyone at all? Not “I read somewhere..” or “my Aunt’s best friend said..”
PS: It’s all gotten-to, now.July 15, 2020 at 12:11 am #61124
> My wife’s sister is a senior ministry of health official
Odd how the info is *always* thirdhand.
-Bill7July 15, 2020 at 12:14 am #61125slatzmanParticipant
Gepetto, i mucked my house after a hurricane in September Houston weather (got all the hot and humid you want together). I had dozens of volunteers in my house and thousands in my neighborhood. We all wore N95’s, i have zero knowledge of a single person in my area that had breathing issues or passed out from strenuous work while wearing an N95.
I don’t know anything about your wifes health, so cannot compare her to the first hand experience I have of long hours of exertion wearing an N95.
@myparnentssaid know I encourage you to finish watching the video I linked. He tests multiple styles of masks, also point out the relative size of O2 and CO2 molecules let them freely exchange in and out of masks. Air molecules are more than two orders of magnitude smaller than the covid virus.July 15, 2020 at 12:36 am #61126thomasjkenneyParticipant
@Bill7 re: who else
I don’t have a large group of friends/family from which to get info, but there are trickles:
1) My mother, 72, 2x cancer survivor, life-long allergy/asthma sufferer – She got the bug last Nov while on a 3-week river cruise in Netherlands. She was in bed 2 of the 3 weeks of the cruise, horrible pneumonia that as recurred once since she returned. Doctors are concerned about ‘strange spots’ on her lungs. For whatever reason, her doctors have not tested her. It hasn’t incapacitated her, she’s still active in the garden, travels to her mountain retreat with her cat twice a month.
2) My brother, 50, life-long allergy/asthma sufferer with psych-related stress issues – He cohabits with mom, and got the germ from her. Bedridden for almost a month. Now recovered, and went on a huge hike to a 2900m peak the other day.
3) My cousin, 35, very obese, living in NYC – He and his house-mates suspect they had it, said it was bad, everyone in the house apparently recovered.
4) Random old lady, 70, hiker/outdoorsy type – Met her on a mountain trail, said she had it and was ‘tested to confirm’, and said “It’s bad, you don’t want it.”
My wife and I probably had it early last year, or had a very similar virus. Also, had ‘off-the-scale flu’ 2+ years ago. Wife passed out from fever in the bathroom. I became nearly delirious, required her care/attention for a day.July 15, 2020 at 1:04 am #61127Mr. HouseParticipantJuly 15, 2020 at 1:26 am #61128
Special Mask-Day Edition:
@Dr. D. Theory and practice are the same… in theory …, but not in practice
Viral particles are small, and they can float in the air a long time and fly through masks because of it, but they almost never do, because they are on teeny-tiny little drops of spittle people exhale and cannot get off of them They have no intentional action, either, which I like. All you have to do to catch the little electron-microscope-visible virions is to catch the microscopic drops of spittle, which are like Gilligan’s Island to them.
It’s as easy as fishing with dynamite!
I started Med School in 1982. I’ve worn masks a lot since then, lots of different masks, and now those special plastic face shields that always seem like Mandalorian armor to me (Hi , Boba Fett!)
Who remembers the huge damned constitutional controversy about requiring manufacturers to INSTALL seat belts in cars, not merely offer them as an option!
Do you recall how hot under the collar the grown-ups got about that? My grown ups were basically in favor of it, because of little me, and little Robert and Tom and Vickie. They made us pee before we got in the car, and strap-in before Dad turned the ignition key.
There was a dead-cat-bounce of that for requiring people to wear them by law, but the state had an interest in avoiding orphans and medical bills.
I may have been primed for mask-tolerance, even before mask-tolerance was inculcated into me, because I went to high school in Yokohama and rode trains about 3 hours per day. Japanese wear masks like Californians wear light jackets, anytime, whenever, especially on the trains.
I’m just not being made to lick the fresh shit off the bottom of a stiletto spike heeled boot worn by Frank-N-Furter to wear a mask as a basic public-health measure.
I wear masks all day, whenever at work, and I used to wear them in the OR when I did c-sections and deliveries and scrubbed on other surgeries.
The mask should never be your focus. It’s just there between important things, not an important thing, just a mobile filtration unit for random contagion.
Masks make the inside of my nose itch, especially when those little filtration fibers are looe and tickly up my nostrils, where the drip is trying to drip out. All that stuff only bothers me when I’m not focused on caring for a patient, when I’m clicking boxes and typing text on my computer and I want a quick snack that’s right there, but what a bother…
N-95 masks do have bit more flow resistance, and they make me itch and sweat where they seal around my face. Do you smother at night when you sleep face-down? Not unless you have sleep apnea, you don’t. Your brain has a respiratory center, which senses both oxygen and CO2 levels, and adjusts your respiratory drive, so you breathe deeper, use your chest muscles some. Things like that. Progesterone, the “hormone of pregnancy” stimulates the respiratory center, too, because breathing-for-two. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BBff-cStE4
This ain’t the first rodeo for your amazing human body!
You’ll be ok.
Focus on important things you have to do today.
You don’t have to convince anybody. They’re having a hard day with cognitive-dissonance.July 15, 2020 at 1:35 am #61129
Commenter mpsk said: “The totalitarians can use any virus- it doesn’t have to be “Covid” brand. And they will.
We are no longer basing all this on compassion. It’s about control- the magic juice of bad actors everywhere.”
Hear, hear! Odd that so many- most everyone, in fact- either can’t or *won’t* see this..
It’s all gotten-to.
PS- Thomas J Kenney: thanks for those examples.
-Bill7July 15, 2020 at 3:49 am #61130₿oogalooParticipant
Hear, hear! Odd that so many- most everyone, in fact- either can’t or *won’t* see this..
What I find odd is that it is mostly the North Americans, or a subset of them, who frame this as an issue of tyranny and totalitarianism, and who seek to subvert measures that doctors and public health authorities recommend. I do not see that reaction throughout the rest of the world — at least not as strongly as I see it in North America. Is the rest of the world wrong? Misguided? Oblivious? Clueless? Blind? Is it only in the land of the free and the home of the brave, the last free country on earth, the city shining on a hill, that clear-minded individuals can see what is really at stake — the end of liberty? And masks are really the new chains, a modern form of enslavement?July 15, 2020 at 3:56 am #61131V. ArnoldParticipant
Is it only in the land of the free and the home of the brave, the last free country on earth, the city shining on a hill, that clear-minded individuals can see what is really at stake — the end of liberty? And masks are really the new chains, a modern form of enslavement?
LOL! Alas, it would seem so……………… 😉July 15, 2020 at 4:28 am #61132
Re: Mask controversy,
I thought the article Dr. D linked to was informative. Did confirm some of my ideas, beliefs and bias so I’m sure it was a set up for those of us who foolishly beat to a different drummer. Article was prob foisted but some Sino-Russian trolls? Hahahaha!
Did appreciate Dr. John’s attempt to inject some humor ! Hahahahahaha!
🙂July 15, 2020 at 4:34 am #61133ArchieParticipant
Thank you John. You sir, are a true gentleman and a TAE treasure.July 15, 2020 at 4:35 am #61134
Boogaloo said: > What I find odd is that it is mostly the North Americans, or a subset of them, who frame this as an issue of tyranny and totalitarianism, and who seek to subvert measures that doctors and public health authorities recommend. I do not see that reaction throughout the rest of the world — at least not as strongly as I see it in North America.
Mmm, that’s not what I’m seeing, at all. Are you familiar with what’s happening in Eastern Europe, for just one example?
-Bill7July 15, 2020 at 4:40 am #61135
Mr. House: Great image you posted! Obey- Consume- Conform- Submit [and above all, show your total submission by wearing your muzzle..]
I’m a little amused, also, by those who tell us “Stay Home! Wear a Mask! , and then don’t do either.. 😉
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