June 1, 2020 at 11:23 am #59415Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Christo & Jeanne Claude The Gates, Central Park NYC 2005 (Christo died yesterday at 84) • New Coronavirus Losing Potency, Top Italia
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 1 2020]June 1, 2020 at 11:43 am #59416
Ilargi, you’re a machine; pumping out the debt rattle; 24/7/365…
But you’re not a machine; you’re flesh and bones; give yourself some slack and take some quiet time alone and wandering about you’re world…
We’re here, always have been, always will, …
Of course you have trouble in your day in, day out writtings…who wouldn’t?
All I can offer is; keep on trucking on; no matter the shit coming you’re way…June 1, 2020 at 11:59 am #59417
All I can offer is; keep on trucking on; no matter the shit coming you’re way…
…most of it is internal dialogue; good or bad, it’s disruptive at best and very negative at worst…
…ignore it and keep moving…
CheersJune 1, 2020 at 1:45 pm #59418zerosumParticipant
Who remembers? Susan Rice
Who is afraid of an American Spring?
More of Susan Rice speculating on CNN that Russia is fueling US protests: “I would not be surprised to learn that they have fomented some of these extremists on both sides using social media. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that they are funding it in some way, shape, or form.”
Here is One story
Starting with protests in Tunisia (Noueihed, 2011; Maleki, 2011).
It was sparked by the first protests that occurred in Tunisia on 18 December 2010 in Sidi Bouzid, following Mohamed Bouazizi’s self-immolation in protest of police corruption and ill treatment.
Ṭāriq aṭ-Ṭayib Muḥammad al-Būʿazīzī; 29 March 1984 – 4 January 2011) was a Tunisian street vendor who set himself on fire on 17 December 2010, which became a catalyst for the Tunisian Revolution and the wider Arab Spring against autocratic regimes. His self-immolation was in response to the confiscation of his wares and the harassment and humiliation inflicted on him by a municipal official and her aides.
Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali fled to Saudi Arabia on 14 January 2011 following the Tunisian Revolution protests.
scholarship literature on the Middle East, political scientist Gregory Gause has found, had failed to predict the events of the Arab uprisings.
The Arab Spring is widely believed to have been instigated by dissatisfaction, particularly of youth and unions, with the rule of local governments, though some have speculated that wide gaps in income levels and pressures caused by the Great Recession may have had a hand as well. Some activists had taken part in programs sponsored by the U.S.-funded National Endowment for Democracy, but the U.S. government claimed that they did not initiate the uprisings.
May 31 George Floyd protest news
As protests continue across the United States into the early hours of Sunday morning, at least 25 cities across 16 states have imposed curfews. The National Guard has also been activated in around a dozen states and the District of Columbia.
6 Killed, Thousands Arrested As 26 States Called In National Guard To Quell 3rd Night Of Chaos
Here is another version of the story that is scaring the elites
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_George_FloydJune 1, 2020 at 3:01 pm #59419tony smythParticipant
That Zero Hedge article is one of the best and most persuasive I’ve read in a long long time. Worse, I live In Tokyo where the level of attempts to “stimulate” inflation has reached farcical levels.
More and more I believe we are living in a repeat of the fin de siecle period in Europe 1880 -1914, where Europeans believed they could figure out anything through science and logic, that they were too civilised to ever go to war again. The slaughter on the Somme put paid to that notion. Here we are again, this on an even bigger scale, the moments before the collapse. “Of course we can print money ad infinitum without consequences, of course we can deplete the aquifers, trash the soil, kill the blacks, wipe out plants and animals, all without consequences”. [and if for SOME reason it does all go horribly wrong, I have my private plane waiting to take me to me secret bunker in New Zealand]June 1, 2020 at 3:04 pm #59420Polder DwellerParticipant
Excess deaths may be the best, if not only, way to get an accurate fatality number for COVID19.
I couldn’t disagree more. Especially in the UK, but also in most countries, so many people have not been examined or treated for cancer, heart problems, kidney disease etc, etc it’s no wonder there are high numbers of excess deaths being reported.June 1, 2020 at 4:37 pm #59421Bill7Participant
‘Covid19 & the denial of veridical reality’, by Catte Black:
“It probably hasn’t passed anyone by that the covid19 crisis, whether manufactured or exploited, has caused great schisms in the alternative media.
Almost from day one there was a divide between those who opted to accept and even endorse the rollout of authoritarian measures by governments around the world as ‘necessary evils’ (or even as harbingers of a world socialist revolution; beats me how that is supposed to work but still), and those who pointed out that this rollout was at best flagrantly disproportionate and opportunistic, and at worst a planned response to a planned or cynically manipulated ‘pandemic’.
Over the last few months the position of the latter has become stronger by the day, while that of the former has been weakened to the point of collapse.
As we have pointed out many times the official data has never supported the panic memes. In fact the two entities, data and narrative, co-exist almost independently of one another, telling mutually contradictory stories, without anyone in the Panic-sphere (to coin a phrase) seeming to notice or mind very much..”
-Bill7June 1, 2020 at 5:32 pm #59422Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Excess deaths may be the best, if not only, way to get an accurate fatality number for COVID19.
I couldn’t disagree more.
Oh c’mon, maybe you’re not trying hard enough, we know you got it in you!
More seriously, what you display is a very low opinion of the very doctors and medical staff that have been and still are working their asses off. You’re claiming that they have let 10s of 1000s of people die of cancer, heart conditions etc. without giving them the care they deserve and would otherwise have received. That’s quite the statement. Let’s see the evidence. You might do better, if you’re bent on finding scapegoats in that part of society, by looking at care homes than at hospitals.
Even more seriously, with all these governments trying to twist their own testing failures into some ”I meant to do that” kind of thing, there is no doubt that many corona patients were never properly diagnosed, or even tested, dead or alive. That we DO have evidence of. Which makes it inevitable that they make for at least a substantial part of excess deaths. Why would one even want to try and turn that into an argument?June 1, 2020 at 6:45 pm #59423Polder DwellerParticipant
Oh wow, I didn’t even see that as a bone of contention. I’ll look around for evidence if you like, but the sources of my opinion are the NOS Journaal from a week or so ago about a cancer patient having his follow-up treatment delayed indefinitely even though it was at a critical stage; another NOS piece where a cardiologist from the VU was practically begging people who were having any heart issues not to delay; the BBC saying that thousands of people with illnesses other than Covid19 were not getting treated; a GP friend of mine in the UK who echoed exactly the same point; and my neighbour who works on a children’s ward at the LUMC and told me they’re running at about 25% normal capacity.
This has absolutely nothing to do with me having a low opinion of doctors and nurses (which I most certainly don’t have) who I know very well are working hard under often very difficult circumstances.June 1, 2020 at 6:52 pm #59424Dr. DParticipant
Speaking of graphs:
So…they brought forward the deaths of people clinging to life in nursing homes. Then those people died and deaths plunged. At the end of year, no additional overall deaths?
Death rate here is 0.0003.
But then, the riots can be called Covid deaths. Hey, if you shut down the economy, jail people at home, get rid of 40 million jobs, then order them to wander wearing masks while there’s no work on Monday can there be unintended consequences? ‘Unintended’. Ha. About as unintended as the people leaving pallets of bricks before each protest. Those were bought somewhere and paid for with something, you know.
So, they’re trying their long-planned civil squib. People are already catching on.
Says Susan Rice: “It’s the Russians! Honest! When have we ever lied?” Oh, yeah. And then too? And that other time? And yellowcake, incubators, and chlorine? As these unimaginative minion troglodytes follow the CIA handbooks like high-school interns.
The hospital here where I live literally shut down and didn’t see anyone except emergencies and has only now started to schedule the backlog of cases and operations on a triage basis. That didn’t mean you didn’t get care, but it does mean they would have caught your colon cancer 4 months earlier. Because: bureaucracy, some had critical care delayed, like dental or eye surgery were considered “optional” for … reasons … when really there was risk of deadly infection or blindness. These things happen even with the best intentions.
‘Unintended consequences’ you could see 1,000 miles off. That may have been the right decision, if we ever get data that doesn’t self-conflict we’ll know, but such decisions have very clear and in this case, very high costs. The fine hospital now is probably teetering on bankruptcy because all normal operations were stalled, and although well-run, were it not the hub hospital would almost certainly collapse. Others will. Was it worth it, or did we get bad data from the WHO, China, and the Media from the get-go? Even when we know will anyone admit it?
Apparently the virus no longer exists. Everyone congregates and breathes heavy, sometimes spitting blood, and the media cheers. Unlike only a week ago in Michigan, when it was super-irresponsible. Funny ol’ world. We were never at war with Estasia. We were always at war with Eurasia. These are not the droids you’re looking for. What virus? Ah, love is never having to say you’re sorry, you were wrong, or explain anything afterwards. And the U.S. is made of pure love. Until tomorrow. When Squib War is over, it will have never happened, and like goldfish they’ll pick something else. Look! Squirrel!June 1, 2020 at 7:40 pm #59425
Dana Boente is huge! I
Dana Boente is a key player in the efforts of Congress to repeatedly impeach President Trump, go after General Flynn, and to then provide cover for all of these efforts.
He was critical to the effort by the FBI to with hold Brady evidence from General Flynn’s lawyers. That is why Wray, head of the FBI, hired Boente as the FBI’s top lawyer!
Dana Boente is a “huge ground zero” deep state swamp creature. That is why it has taken so long to out him!
Do not under estimate his importance. He was there from the very beginning! He is corrupt beyond belief!
He was the one who got AG Sessions to recuse himself making possible the 3 efforts to impeach President Trump! Without Boente none of this would have happened!
Hopefully Wray is the next to go!June 1, 2020 at 10:00 pm #59426
“Avifavir, known generically as favipiravir, was first developed in the late 1990s by a Japanese company later bought by Fujifilm as it moved into healthcare. The drug works by short-circuiting the reproduction mechanism of certain RNA viruses such as influenza. Russian specialists modified the generic drug to enhance its efficacy for treating COVID-19”
Favipiravir, the first drug to be approved, by China, for COVID treatment, has long been used for influenza treatment in Japan, and underwent FDA testing in the US in 2015, also for influenza, but was never marketed in the US. It would be no great leap to do so.
What it is, is a nucleoside analog. RNA consists of 4 nucleosides that make the information chain, and favipiravir, like remdesivir, is enough like one of these nucleosides to ret incorporated into the RNA genetic chains, but it doesn’t work right. The chain can’t be copied right, so the virus does not reproduce right.
Favipiravir is a pill, not an IV infusion. Big advantage.
It has an excellent safety record as a flu medicine, and can be given early in the course of illness, since no IV infusion in a hospital is needed. Early treatment, preventing the buildup of high viral load, has been the best strategy so far. Treating the dying has gone badly.June 1, 2020 at 10:23 pm #59427
I’m not sure about the problems with use of “excess deaths”, in a situation where it is not possible to get reliable counts of infections. It’s good, now that infections are widespread enough to show up in excess deaths.
It is a bit too early to see the colon cancers not treated in the excess-death category, but some of the heart attacks that did not go to the hospital are there.
Let me muse a little about viral mutation.
In the lab, viral mutation is completely a directed process, directed by gain-of-function criteria, in military biowarfare labs.
In the wide world, a lab virus will keep mutating, RNA viruses have a fairly high mutation rate, even the error-correcting coronavirus family.
All mutations will be either threat-neutral to hosts, or threat-reducing to hosts, since the virus began as threat-optimized to host populations.
Ilargi has discussed this several times. A virus on it’s own just does the best it can to make more virus, and killing hosts goes against that, so it is selected against. This article confirms that viral bias, so I am biased to like it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says-idUSKBN2370OQ
The vitamin-D hypothesis moves in the same direction of mortality-reduction, as we go from winter solstice to summer solstice. Those tables will start to turn again at fall equinox, as vitamin-D levels start to wane in the northern hemisphere, absent massive supplementation (“I don’t get no respect”).
Vitamin-D, chloroquine/zinc and favipiravir, as well as the tendency to mutate-milder all play in the favor of human organisms. Improve your odds by taking vitamin-D, and having arrangement to get prompt testing and prompt antiviral treatment as an outpatient, at the point that you get symptoms of systemic illness like fever, abdomianl pain, diarrhea or shortness of breath, not just upper airway dysfunction in nose and throat.
Wear a mask and wait for this thing to weaken further.
Be sensible. Don’t be a warrior for anybody.June 1, 2020 at 11:11 pm #59428
Polder & Dr. D:
I think studying the annual deaths figures will take a number of years to sort themselves out.
Yes, short term Covid-19 killed a lot of people and will continue to kill more people. We still don’t know the consequences to long term health for those who caught the Covid-19.
But the lockdown will also kill people too. One thinks of delayed medical treatment, people killing themselves, etc. But then less people may have died driving, getting shot, etc. too.
Clearly some deaths were brought forward but some were also delayed. It isn’t so simple.
So five years from now annual deaths could both drop below normal and increase above normal for periods of time reflecting the deaths brought forward or delayed.June 1, 2020 at 11:29 pm #59429ezlxa1949Participant
Australia’s stalled migrant boom derails golden economic run
About time we had this Ponzi Scheme revealed for what it is. TO dream the impossible dream, growth can go on forever. The pollies and corporates are unable and unwilling to see beyond tomorrow.
Until recently the mantra has been that tomorrow will be just like today only more so! Glorious growth.
Now maybe we will be forced to see that tomorrow will be just like today, only more so! A rich banquet of consequences will be served.June 2, 2020 at 12:04 am #59430dermotmoconnorParticipant
“I couldn’t disagree more. Especially in the UK, but also in most countries, so many people have not been examined or treated for cancer, heart problems, kidney disease etc, etc it’s no wonder there are high numbers of excess deaths being reported.”
Yes, but Iatrogenic malpractice is also a colossal cause of death. With people avoiding hospitals, deaths from malpractice will also go down. So the question is: do the numbers saved by avoiding hospitals equal or surpass those who die from avoiding necessary procedures?
Given the staggering death rates caused by malpractice, that’s an open question.June 2, 2020 at 12:23 am #59431
@dermotmoconnor : Oh, good point there! Offsetting penalties. (Take vitamin-D and eat fresh vegetables)
“Yes, but Iatrogenic malpractice is also a colossal cause of death. With people avoiding hospitals, deaths from malpractice will also go down. So the question is: do the numbers saved by avoiding hospitals equal or surpass those who die from avoiding necessary procedures?”June 2, 2020 at 12:41 am #59432VietnamVetParticipant
The COVID-19 pandemic is real. The 56-second overview, above, shows that the 2020 deaths from the virus are now greater than Malaria or Malnutrition. Yes, there are consequences due to overwhelming of hospital systems with sick patients and stopping elective procedures and medical checkups. For profit hospitals are losing money. The West is in the “Greatest Depression” with unemployment rising to 1930s levels. The riots are not just about racial injustice; they are also about economic inequality, the lockdown and the loss of democracy. Basically, the unrest is due to the abject failure of government to address these grievances and control the virus. Plus, there are shock entrepreneurs who exploit violence to make a profit.
There is a very short period left for the Establishment to recognize this is a revolutionary period. The pandemic has split the world into nations that controlled the virus and those that can’t. Unless youth are provided jobs that support families, democracy restored, and free national public health system rebuilt to test, trace and isolate the ill; North America will splinter apart into autocratic failed pariah-states.June 2, 2020 at 1:08 am #59433zerosumParticipant
Trump found a job for the troops coming home.June 2, 2020 at 1:19 am #59434
Agreed, but the elites have to feel despair and capitulate. Howzat gonna happen?
The WHO, what may remain of it, is sort of disavowing a second coronavirus wave.
This will fill out their portfolio of sequentially taking every side of a controversial issue in such a way as to be consistently worse than a coin toss.
They say they can’t talk about it, but hint that it’s the nice sunny weather that will prevent a second wave.
(As we now know, it will continue to be nice and sunny forever. It’s the new normal. The days will never again shorten.)
Vitamin-D, from sunlight on skin, is very important for normal function of the immune system.
There has been very good correlation between lower vitamin-D levels in hospitalized patients, and worse disease.
Very few hospitalized patients have been found to have normal vitamin-D levels.
Those were low normal, not mid normal, and they fared the best.
(Do take 5000 units of vitamin-D per day, won’t you?)
My Fellow Transnational Elites, we are going to need another crisis to tide us through the long summer of discontent.
Let’s have race riots!
Everybody has been cooped up for months, feeling really restless and insecure, and the weather is great.
All we need is the right spark, and enough encouragement.
Then we can institute martial law, the next logical step, since self-quarantine is starting to fail.
We can maintain order as our global economy goes through the biggest reset since the Great-Depression/WW-2.
Did you make sure the bricks got sent to the protest sites, and the agents-provocateur got paid?
Trump did not (yet) invoke The Insurrection Act. His voice sounded tired and deeply troubled during his address.
President Trump announced from the White House Rose Garden Monday evening that he planned to mobilize “all available federal resources, civilian and military” to put an end to violent protests across the country, while blaming the outbursts on “professional anarchists, looters, criminals, antifa” whom he described as “domestic terrorists” bringing widespread harm to the nation.
As expected following remarks from Press Sec McEnany earlier, President Trump insisted during a brief speech that he would send in military personnel to quell violence and looting if governors failed to act. He also insisted that his administration was committed to justice for Floyd and his family, and that Trump’s administration is “an ally” of peaceful protesters.
”I am dispatching thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers,” Trump said Monday at the White House, clearly seeking to reassure terrified business owners and members of the community in areas hard-hit by the coronavirus and the riots that he would uphold his duty to maintain order.
20 unanswered questions about the George Floyd Protests (could be more refined, but at least it’s asking)
It looks like the Congressional Budget Office is saying that it will take a full decade for the US economy to rejoin the track they were predicting in January, which is to say “never”…
Comparing its interim, May 2020 projections to the last official forecast made in January 2020, the CBO said that the level of nominal GDP in the second quarter of 2020 would be $790 billion (or 14.2%) lower than the agency had previously forecast in January 2020 (a number which unfortunately will only grow larger with time especially if the Atlanta Fed’s 52% GDP drop forecast is accurate). Subsequently, the difference between those projections of nominal GDP narrows from $533 billion (9.4% lower in the latest projection) ) by the end of 2020 to $181 billion (2.2 percent lower) by 2030.
Here is a Libertarian (Ayn Rand type) view, with stuff I like and don’t like. It’s that kind of a day:
At the same time, there is much more going on here than police abuse of power. Floyd became such a powerful symbol for people of all races and classes. He could have been any one of us. The boot on the neck smacks of Orwell’s chilling prediction of life under government plans: “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”
Americans of all classes, races, and political affiliations refuse to acquiesce to that future. Enough is enough.
The fires that burn in our cities today were born long ago with government impositions in every aspect of our lives. The impositions date back many generations. In the course of three months, the lockdowns stacked the wood; Floyd’s murder was the match.June 2, 2020 at 1:24 am #59435
After this last story there’s another picture of “your humble narrator” in the garden, making a call slightly early, and living with it. http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/06/a-fresh-crisis.html
Iranian tankers were 2200 km from the US coast when the Iranian-flagged “Fortune”, followed by “Forest”, entered Venezuelan waters, challenging the US embargo and the US’s threats. The Islamic Republic was broadcasting loud and clear a strong message.
The first message was dispatched to the US administration after Gulf and Arab Leaders conveyed a direct message to the Iranian leaders: “Washington is determined to stop the Iranian tankers sailing to Venezuela”. Iran responded to all messages received that “its five tankers will sail to Venezuela and if any of these tankers is intercepted, Iran will respond in the Straits of Hormuz, the Gulf of Oman or anywhere else it sees fit.”
“These five tankers – the Clavel, Fortune, Petunia, Forest and Faxul- are only the beginning of the supply to Venezuela. Iran has the right to send any of its tankers anywhere in the world and any US interception will be considered an act of piracy and will trigger a direct response,” said an Iranian decision-maker who revealed the Iranian response to the US administration via message-carriers.
“Iran had decided to avoid the horn of Africa because the plan was for the first tanker to reach the Venezuelan waters on the first day of Eid el-Fitr. The aim was to share an important day of the Islamic Republic’s defiance to the US in its backyard and to break the sanctions imposed on one of Iran’s main allies. It is a message for the “Axis of the Resistance” that Iran will not abandon its friends and allies anywhere in the world whatever the challenges. It is directly confronting the US by imposing a new rule of engagement”, said the source.
Iran shut its ears to all threatening messages from the US menace and instructed its five tankers to go not round the horn of Africa but through the Gulf of Aden via Bab al-Mandab strait, the Suez Canal and Gibraltar into the Atlantic Ocean- where the US has a strong presence and influence. This shortens the distance and it tested the intentions of the American Navy. Simultaneously, Iran informed its allies of its readiness to confront the US if ever an escalation should loom on the horizon so that these allies within the “Axis of the Resistance” are ready for a wider confrontation if needed.
The first Iranian tanker, “Fortune”, reached the Caribbean Sea on the first day of Eid al-Fitr, on Sunday 24th of May, with US Navy ships in the vicinity. The tankers are carrying over 10 million barrels of oil but also Alkylate and spare parts to start repairing any of the eight “out of order” refineries, to enable oil-rich Venezuela to be self-sufficient in the future. The US sanctions on Venezuela had paralyzed Venezuelan refineries and caused gasoline shortages, with the aim of overthrowing the legitimately elected President, Nicolas Maduro.
https://ahtribune.com/world/americas/venezuela/4188-russia-refused-iran-accepted.htmlJune 2, 2020 at 1:35 am #59436₿oogalooParticipant
Elections do not work in America. The system is too corrupt. The only way to bring about meaningful change is for people to take to the streets. That has finally started to happen, though I have to admit that the triggering event caught me by surprise. I cannot believe that anyone could be as callous, stupid, merciless and depraved on camera and in broad daylight as Derek Chauvin and his three spineless sidekicks. It would be a great step forward if America’s rage was redirected towards the people and institutions at its rotten core.June 2, 2020 at 2:37 am #59437
I was never very worried about Iranian tankers visiting Venezuela because making the effort is a rather expensive transaction.
Besides Iran likely isn’t doing this for free!
I would simply stand back and let them do it!
Besides a lot of this gasoline will end up on the black market and be exported to Columbia!June 2, 2020 at 3:04 am #59438my parents said knowParticipant
Naming it was an enormous factor in where we ended up. A name for a syndrome that covers the entire gamut of symptoms of any disease (diagnosed with a non-diagnostic test) pushed out the research needed to discover the real culprit in institutions. There is an opportunity still being lost- like discovering Legionaire’s disease is specific to plumbing and moistness.
I am comforted by so many front-line MDs wanting an answer despite the doctrine handed down from the weasels. I am distressed that so many terrified people are only glomming onto “expert” advice that makes them more terrified. I want to comfort my friends: “you are in little danger”. They want to remain terrified. Why?
In “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” the two protagonists are put on a bus to take them away from their goal of climbing Devil’s tower. Most of the round-ups fear the “deadly threat” and are compliant with their own removal. Our heroes take off their masks and realize it is a scam. They ditch the bus. They climb the tower. One gets to thumb a ride with the aliens. The other finds her son.
Let’s get off the bus.
There’s an economy to build that is skew from the fancy folks. Let’s get to it. Unmasked face to unmasked face; person to person, in little groups and in big gatherings. As humans have done forever: let’s ignore the weasels and get down to it.June 2, 2020 at 3:17 am #59439my parents said knowParticipant
“They” Live.June 2, 2020 at 8:22 am #59441GermParticipant
Whilst the killing of George Floyd is utterly reprehensible, please don’t fall for the “He was such a sweetie” being promulgated by his girlfriend and others. Far from it.
He had a history of five jail sentences dating back to 1998. These included ‘possession of a deadly weapon with intent’ (2005) and ‘Aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon’ (2007). In the latter case, he entered the home of a woman during the day while she was alone and followed her around the house, in a search for valuables, with a gun held variously to her back, stomach and head.
Various Minnesota sites have portrayed George Floyd as “a beautiful spirit” who “turned his life around” after being released in 2012. Actually, he turned his life around by becoming a bouncer. When Covid19 scare tactics – largely driven by corrupt “liberals” – left him without a job, Floyd rapidly returned to his roots, and tried to pass a counterfeit $20 bill at a local store.
Perspective folks, perspective.June 2, 2020 at 9:31 am #59442
Perspective folks, perspective.
Devil or angel; it doesn’t matter; the facts on the ground are; he died by homicide, by a cop, after he was handcuffed and subdued. All because he tried to pass an alleged, counterfeit $20 dollar bill!
Justice has been denied…unto death…June 2, 2020 at 11:01 am #59446₿oogalooParticipant
Floyd rapidly returned to his roots, and tried to pass a counterfeit $20 bill at a local store.
Germ, you have dredged up stuff from more than 20 years ago, stuff that suggests a violent past. Can people change? Can they repent? Even if Floyd did something illegal here, nothing indicates violence. Nothing suggests that he was armed. Even assuming Floyd should have been arrested, the penalty for “passing” a counterfeit bill is not death.
Everybody should be outraged by this, and not just because of the apparent racism. This is inexcusable police brutality. The police cannot be the judge and executioner even before someone arrested gets to the police station. There was no need to put a knee on his neck. And the other three imbeciles — completely useless. The US needs police with a spine and a conscience, not moral ciphers like these four.June 2, 2020 at 4:56 pm #59465ArttuaParticipant
We went to see Cristo’s Gates, and seayed with my wife’s cousin, Dennis Oppenheim, here is one of my favorites of his:
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