Debt Rattle November 21 2022


Home Forums The Automatic Earth Forum Debt Rattle November 21 2022

Viewing 21 posts - 41 through 61 (of 61 total)
  • Author
  • #121566

    Mad Ozzies test their bodies at a spot called the right in WA. The human body is an amazing piece of kit. About 2 mins the real action starts.


    ‘I have often wondered, besides Nazis, why ordinary Ukrainians soldiers don’t revolt. Some of it is brainwashing but I think drugs is playing a much bigger role than we think. How else does one explain repeated utterly hopelese Ukrainian suicide attacks?’

    1. There are UKofascists standing behind them ready to shoot anyone who does not obey commands.

    2. They have been told their families will suffer if they don’t obey commands.

    Hence there was a firefight between soldiers and the Ukofascists when foreign soldiers were told to sacrifice themselves in a suicide attack. A large number of Ukofascists got killed. Either Romanian or Polish mercenaries/regulars did it, I believe.

    Michael Reid

    No Way Out for the USA

    No Way Out for the USA


    ” Some of it is brainwashing but I think drugs is playing a much bigger role than we think. ”

    I certainly agree. Putin does too. He refers to them as drug addicts and criminals. I see it as a large hybrid conscript/mercenary Cult of Atrocity army: after committing the atrocities that war ALWAYS elicits from its players, their consciences are seared (except those who are psychopaths), and the drugs that were once perqs are now daily addictions necessary both to prevent withdrawal and to allay the deep depressive despair of self-loathing they increasingly experience.

    The Cult aspect is that they become so ashamed that they can only relate to/trust* each other, and then become seriously sociopathically narcissistic and, basically, insane.

    That is how child armies are formed and maintained. Works just as well on adults, I reckon.

    *(Until the drugs and ammo run out)


    I love when the Mad Ozzies get rolled up and over through the top of the curl after wiping out deep inside.


    From DocJD’s blog:

    “There is open speculation that Russia’s real enemy is now declared to be China. (If that were propaganda, whose interests would it serve?)Russian Defense Promotional Film Shows Military Plane Blowing Up Chinese Warship

    The article cites two main themes: a) Russia has had a low profile at recent China air power trade shows, with its air team not participating whereas before it was a major attraction, and b) a Russian defense company showed a publicity film in which a Russian military plane blew up a Chinese warship.

    Russia taking a backseat at China’s trade shows could just be courtesy. Considering that Russian air defense rules the pack, in the process making much $$ for Russian aerospace industries, Russia perhaps doesn’t much need the profits from selling jet fighters and instead now prioritizes making them for itself in what will obviously some militarily belligerent decades.

    As for vid where a Chinese warship is blown up: Russia has clients who fear China, one presumes. Russia/China are not even real allies at this point. I doubt either trusts the other militarily/geopolitically beyond short term provisional agreements. Selling war weaponry is a business based on internationally mutual suspicion all around.

    THis quote:

    “U.S.-based Chinese current affairs commentator Chen Baokong analyzed the reasons behind Russia’s low-key participation in his YouTube program on Nov. 13.

    He said the international community ridiculed Russia’s fighter planes and air force strength because of their poor performance in the Ukraine war. Therefore, Russia did not have the confidence it had before to show off its military strength at China’s air show.

    “U.S.-based Chinese current affairs commentator Chen Baokong analyzed the reasons behind Russia’s low-key participation in his YouTube program on Nov. 13.

    He said the international community ridiculed Russia’s fighter planes and air force strength because of their poor performance in the Ukraine war. Therefore, Russia did not have the confidence it had before to show off its military strength at China’s air show.

    “U.S.-based Chinese current affairs commentator Chen Baokong analyzed the reasons behind Russia’s low-key participation in his YouTube program on Nov. 13.

    “He said the international community ridiculed Russia’s fighter planes and air force strength because of their poor performance in the Ukraine war. Therefore, Russia did not have the confidence it had before to show off its military strength at China’s air show.Russian fighter planes were exterminated in large numbers by Ukraine forces, so Russia feels humiliated,” Chen said. “Moreover, Russia’s air force has been struggling on the Ukraine battlefield; it certainly does not have the capacity to participate in the Zhuhai air show. In other words, the actual reason behind Russia’s low-profile participation in the air show is that it was hit hard in the Russo-Ukrainian War.”

    invokes mandatory suspicion with its first two words: “US-based”

    Here’s the air combat plane loss stats for Russia and Ukraine back-to-back:

    Aircraft losses
    Airframe Ukraine Russia Others
    Aero L-39 Albatros 1 –
    Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 – – 1 ()
    Mikoyan MiG-29 21 – 3 ()
    Mikoyan MiG-31 – 1
    Sukhoi Su-24 16 8 (2 damaged)
    Sukhoi Su-25 15 (1 damaged) 19 (2 damaged)
    Sukhoi Su-27 7 –
    Sukhoi Su-30 – 11 (1 damaged)
    Sukhoi Su-34 – 16
    Sukhoi Su-35 – 1
    Ilyushin Il-76 2 (1 captured) –
    Antonov An-12 1 (damaged) –
    Antonov An-22 1 (damaged) –
    Antonov An-26 3 1
    Antonov An-28 1 (damaged) –
    Antonov An-124 1 (damaged) –
    Antonov/Taqnia An-132 1
    Antonov An-225 1 –
    Antonov An-74 1 –
    Avia Systems ASU-1 Valkrja 2
    Mil Mi-2 3 (3 captured) –
    Mil Mi-8 21 (1 captured) 11 (1 captured)
    Mil Mi-14 1 –
    Mil Mi-24/35 4 (1 captured) 10 (1 captured)
    Mil Mi-28 – 6
    Kamov Ka-52 – 20 (5 damaged)
    IAR 330 – – 1 ()
    Cessna 152 1 (Hungary)
    Cessna 172 2 (2 damaged)
    KhaZ-30 1
    Unknown helicopter 2 – –
    Unknown fixed wing aircraft 2 2
    Unknown UAV/UCAV 1
    Chekan UAV – – 1 ()
    Tupolev Tu-141 6 –
    Tupolev Tu-143 5 –
    Eleron-3SV [ru] – 5 (3 captured)
    Kronshtadt Orion – 2
    Orlan-10/20/30 and mod. – 34
    ZALA 421-16 – 5
    Forpost – 2
    UA Dynamics Punisher 1 –
    Baykar Bayraktar TB2 14 –
    Bayraktar Mini UAV 1 –
    Athlon-Avia A1-SM Furia 13 –
    Granat-4 [uk] 1 1
    Leleka-100 2 –
    Latochka – 1
    Korsar – 1
    Merlin VR – 1
    Mohajer-6 – 1
    Supercam S 350/450 – 2
    Spectator M1 3 –
    SkyEye 5000 2 –
    Spaitech Sparrow 2 –
    Ukrjet UJ-22 Airborne 1 –
    Ukrspecsystems PD-1 1 (1 captured)
    WB Electronics Warmate 1 –
    Total: 161 aircraft 160 aircraft 7 aircraft

    UKraine lost 161, Russia lost 160, both using mostly Russian aircraft while Ukraine had the home base advantage.

    Everybody’s cashing in on the war: it sells news copies and views.

    John Day

    “Building Trust” post, with picture ofsome pieces of closet being held in place to get the idea.

    Perfect Storm for the Global Economy, First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Andrey Belousov Thanks Svet.
    “There is a strong gap between the scale of the problems and the tools that are currently being offered to solve them.” [Use Google-Translate]
    My own thoughts:
    There is an implicit assumption about what “tools” are being openly proposed.

    1) “Halting the war in Ukraine” seems to be a polite way of saying “Europe, coordinate business arrangements with Russia again”.
    It’s necessary, but not sufficient to restore a stable, working system of global trade and finance.
    The apparent goal of western finance was to have Russian resources without the Russian government, which is nationalist. That access to resources, essentially to loot them, was necessary for the growth of the western financial system, which stopped growing in the second half of 2018, by my reckoning. You may well disagree, but it stopped growing by 2019, which caused financial problems, like the “repo-crisis” in August-September 2019.
    There was a loss of trust between the largest western global financial institutions, which froze overnight lending.

    2) “Raising interest rates”. This “destroys demand” in the economy by imposing austerity. It does stop some of the excesses caused by almost-free-money, but the western financial system has crept forward by gradual reduction of interest rates since around 1983. Real interest rates were often negative, and have remained negative since 2008. It is the end of that road. Interest rates must rise and that destroys the system of rolling debt forward at lower and lower interest to stimulate economy.

    “Money” is currently defined as “promises” to repay debt at interest. Trust in eventual-repayment is waning.
    Trust must be rational, not delusional, to maintain a vast economic system.

    Trust is slow to build. Who has been investing in the building of trust since 2008?
    The Fed has, but within an increasingly untrustworthy US national system. The Fed can’t really be more trustworthy than Washington DC, London and Brussels (NATO). There is a lot of habitual momentum in the $USsystem, but once that tips over, change is likely to seem very sudden.

    Russia and China have been working and investing to build trust, but that is thrown into question by sanctions against them, by the increasingly untrustworthy owners of the current $US financial system. Still, it’s a lack of trust in the proposed replacement-system (BRICS+, belt-and-road).

    History shows that changes to a global trade system seem to take a decade or more and a big war, as in WW-1 and WW-2.
    History also shows that people suffer and die, and that growing vegetables helps the people who are able to do so.
    Another historical feature is that countries with enough internal resources per-capita fare batter.
    That’s Russia #1 and US #2.
    Efficient use of the resources within any system is similarly important, and Russia appears (for all the corruption) to have a better national system of meeting national needs. The US system seems to be corrupt and inefficient, and to depend upon external flows of wealth to sustain function. Those can be expected to stop in a crisis. The corruption is an inefficiency problem.
    The owners hold the option to shut the system down if they don’t get to siphon off a big skim at every level, so there are thousands of selfish fingers on economic Kill-buttons.

    What history argues to be necessary is to take away all of those corrupt “entitlements” to cuts of the pie, by eliminating a lot of that “ownership” of the systems of production and distribution. That means “debt repudiation”, which did not happen after WW-1, which was the proximal cause of WW-2, where a lot of debt-restructuring did take place, encouraging economic growth in Europe and Japan.

    The owners are in control of the system, so they won’t allow repudiation of much of their rights-to-skim until they lose control, but they get to push the Kill-buttons first.

    Reviving a system after that should be harder than merging into another system which is already up-and-running.
    The Chinese government got to merge into the western economic system while the cold-war was still ongoing, so China got a better deal than the “defeated” USSR, Russia, etc.

    The new system is not yet operational, though many pieces are in place and starting to get tested. The old system is trying hard to prevent the new, competing system from becoming operational.
    It does not look like there is going to be a smooth transition,since the new system can’t get fully operational until the old system, which is depleting itself to fight the new system, breaks badly.
    “Confiscating” $300 billion from Russiais an example of the old system breaking trust, in order to reduce trust in a rising threat.

    Where might trust be found in global finance? Bitcoin? Something like Bitcoin could be useful between central banks and nation-states, but Bitcoin only exists by mutual agreement and an intact global internet.
    Gold bullion used to work. Central banks, by all accounts, keep enough gold bullion on hand (or in “trusted” repositories) to make a transition back to a gold standard at any time. (Ukraine’s gold somehow went away in airplanes a few years ago.)
    The question is that of what to “price” gold at to enable that transition. It seems like a factor of 8-10 “price increase” of gold, relative to fiat currencies, would be necessary, as a ballpark figure. Watch for it.
    Larger daily increases in the “price” of gold seem to have suddenly been allowed, starting a couple of weeks ago. $40-$50 in a day was allowed in quick succession. Previously gold did not rise more than $20 in a day.
    The 30-dayGold chart shows that stair-step well.
    That seems like a signal to me. Others may disagree.

    ​ Andrew Korybko looks at the initiative of Russia, India and Iran to balance influences of China and Pakistan (itself influenced by the CIA) upon Afghanistan.​
    The “Informal Russia India Iran Troika” on Afghanistan
    ​ ​The most important takeaway was the informal Troika that was just established by Russia, India, and Iran. These three don’t intend to compete against China and Pakistan’s influence in Afghanistan in any unfriendly way, but rather endeavor to pragmatically “balance” it by giving that country’s de facto Taliban rulers an alternative to those two. From the perspective of the group’s self-interests, potentially disproportionate dependence on China and Pakistan is disadvantageous.

    The “Informal Russia India Iran Troika” on Afghanistan

    John Day

    Trying to avoid re-posting…

    Moon of Alabama on Russian destruction of high voltage power transformers in the Ukrainian grid to impair the ability of the Ukrainian military to move men and war-supplies by the (all electric) train system.​
    ​ ​The targeting of 330 kilovolt transformers in various switching stations has cut some 50% of the distribution capability of Ukraine’s electricity network. These transformers weigh up to 200 tons. There are no replacements. You do not buy them at the next corner but will have to order them with years of lead time. As far as I can tell Russia is currently the only producer of transformers of that type.

    ​The US works hard to turn-around relations with China, bringing in 97 year old “friend of China” and infamous 2008 head of AIG, Maurice “Hank” Greenberg​.
    ​ ​A significant and unexpected new Wall Street Journal report has revealed that a few days prior to the Xi-Biden meeting last week at the G20 summit in Bali, the two countries embarked upon a private back-channel dialogue of top policy advisers and business executives in New York, which was approved by both governments.
    ​ ​The meeting was described by Retired Adm. Mike Mullen as seeking to prevent the continued “downward trajectory” in US-China relations “at a dangerous time.” Beijing is relying on an American businessman described as an “old friend of China” with a long successful track record of positive dealings in China: insurance executive Maurice “Hank” Greenberg. “As the two great powers of the time, we need to try to turn this around,” Mullen commented of the closed-door talks earlier this month.

    ​This story is about a Russian military airplane promotional video at a Chinese air-show, which shows the plane blowing up a ship. The computer-generated ship in the computer-generated video turns out (awkwardly) to be a Chinese destroyer. Nobody knows how this happened. The video production was at least partly outsourced to India.​ India says they didn’t-do-it.
    There is open speculation that Russia’s real enemy is now declared to be China. (If that were propaganda, whose interests would it serve?)

    Texas Prepares Military (not-quite)​Tanks For Southern Border After Governor Abbott Declares Invasion
    ​ ​Three days after Texas Governor Greg Abbott invoked the state’s “Invasion Clauses” to tackle the record-setting influx of migrants illegally crossing the southern border, a new planning document obtained by Army Times and The Texas Tribune reveals Texas Military Department officials are planning to deploy a fleet of fully tracked armored personnel carriers and National Guard troops.
    ​ ​Texas Military Department officials issued the order Thursday to the headquarters leading Operation Lone Star reveals. It detailed the deployment of ten M113 armored personnel carrier vehicles to the border.

    John Day

    ​ From Thursday, specific to Texas: Governor Abbott Directs TEA, Superintendents To Prohibit COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates For Students,part%20of%20school%20entry%20requirements

    Moms Were Right: Acetaminophen During Pregnancy Can Cause ADHD, Autism​
    ​“[We] found consistent associations between acetaminophen bu​r​den and ADHD and acetaminophen burden and ASD across strata of potential confounders, including maternal indication, substance use, preterm birth, and child age and sex, for which point estimates for the ORs vary from 2.3 to 3.5 for ADHD and 1.6 to 4.1 for ASD.

    Moms Were Right: Acetaminophen During Pregnancy Can Cause ADHD, Autism

    ​Jessica Rose Ph.D. looks at the US VAERS, suddenly changing the government statistics.​ They look much better this week!
    ​ ​The foreign data set was gutted this week in VAERS and the cancer signal was halved, the myocarditis dose 3 response signal was lost and 994 spontaneous abortions/still births were dropped

    ​Thanks Luc , The Killing Fields of Samoa​ , Ah KhanSyed MD, Ph.D.​
    ​ And you’re asking “What are you talking about? What happened in Samoa?”.
    ​ ​A lot happened. All in one month in November 2019 – just before the PANDEMIC™ struck, and you will see that the similarities with the PANDEMIC™ are eerie – down to the same forced lockdowns and forced vaccinations that were only ever intended to enforce medical fascism on a population – because every pandemic plan document prior to 2020 said they were not helpful to contain a viral outbreak.
    ​ ​So let’s then turn to Samoa (and neighbouring Fiji and Tonga) in 2019.​..
    Why did a measles outbreak occur in 3 neighbouring islands at the same time, just weeks after a delivery of UNICEF vaccines to those very islands?
    Why did the death rate in the Samoan outbreak reach such high levels far in excess of what would be expected in a country with access to healthcare?

    From Peter McCullough MD’s blog: Electron Cryotomography of SARS-CoV-2 Virions
    At least there are electron-microscope pictures of these very small entities. They are easier to destroy than to see.
    It is essentially impossible to isolate virions without destroying them. Looking at them destroys them, for instance.

    John Day

    How’d I get scooped in TAE comments like that.
    Musta’ been sleepin’on the job or sumptin.


    Someone remarked the other day how USA citizens bemusingly offend non- USA citizens by calling themselves Americans. While I try to avoid calling USA America, I doubt the practice is rooted in arrogance. Immigrants, especially those who didn’t know English, would naturally use a shortened version much of the time. I’m sure it just grew out of the vernacular — although academics and foreign policy personnel have no excuse for how they wave ‘mur’ka in the world’s face.

    But also, it is awkward. United States citizen is an awkward seven syllables. But, since China has taken over from the USA for some time, we can now enjoy the more geopolitically correct (gpc) and easy to say USAsian, or Usasian, pronounced ‘yoo-say-zhen’ so as not to sound like ‘you iz Asian’ or ‘us Asian’.

    Wrap it in palindromic dates and we can claim that TPTB have been planning this for 202 years.

    Turn Thine Eyes Away and Beyond, o Babylon

    Speaking of Dixie


    JUst sent this to my 28-year old son:

    “Any top tier MilliGenzi needs to know this one:


    “That thar is hard core post-WWII Grandpa Era groovy bachelor stereo hi-fi music to impress the chix and get them feeling wild.”

    We’re an older crowd, so many of us will recognize Yma. But some here are not yet ancient.

    Yma was from another planet all around. Imagine if she’d done a record with Hendrix and Miles Davis arranged by Gil Evans.

    Meanwhile, the heat is on. Isn’t it about time for ET to show up and save us? There is no reason I can find not to believe that the current regime is sufficiently insane to trigger a nuclear exchange.

    One hopes there are still a few men possessing intestinal fortitude along the firing chains oif command. It only takes a few heroes going rogue to stop what we classically think of when we say “WWIII“.



    “Kanye West announces another US presidential run
    The rapper showed off ‘Ye24’ campaign merchandise and issued a call to move “towards the future””

    Now that’s a special kind of stupid. As opposed to, hmmm, Lady Gaga’s prez run titled ‘don’t go anywhere’.

    I think TPTB are spiking the national drinking water supply with psilocybin. I’m pretty sure I’m seeing things.


    Also, Musk is suddenly on TR News affilate mediaL

    Elon Musk’s Ex-Girlfriend Grimes Says Mark Zuckerberg ‘Wildly Under Qualified’ To Run Metaverse

    Musk On Housing Bubble Burst: ‘They Dug Their Own Graves – A Lesson We Should All Take To Heart’

    Russian-sponsored media seems to be getting behind Musk’s makeover and MAMGA program: Make American Media Great Again. Now if he can just get some of that good Chinese ubercomputing power, he’s a major contender for 2004.


    about the FDA says telling people not to take Ivermectin for Covid=19 was just a recommendations…. jfc. That’s the best backside cover theys gots?

    John Day

    Boscohorowitz presented a vieo in the Andes of YMA

    Zoila Augusta Emperatriz Chávarri del Castillo (September 13, 1922 (birth certificate)[2][3] or September 10, 1922 (later documents)[1][4][5] – November 1, 2008), known professionally as Yma Sumac (/ˈiːmə ˈsuːmæk/), was a Peruvian-American coloratura soprano. She was one of the most famous exponents of exotica music during the 1950s.

    Sumac became an international success based on her extreme vocal range. She had five octaves according to some reports,[6] but other reports (and recordings) document four-and-a-half at the peak of her singing career.[2][7] (A typical trained singer has a range of about three octaves.)[8] Yma Sumac sold more than 40 million records which makes her one of the best-selling Latin Americans in history and the best-selling Peruvian in history.[9][10][11]

    In one live recording of “Chuncho”, she sings a range of over four and a half octaves, from B2 to G♯7. She was able to sing notes in the low baritone register as well as notes above the range of an ordinary soprano. Both low and high extremes can be heard in the song “Chuncho (The Forest Creatures)” (1953).


    “Died Suddenly” documentary released-

    Bill Gates- “Hello Useless Eaters” –

    Hello Ladies and Germs…

    The motherfuckers never stop drilling holes in your head

    “We Never Had A Chance”

    You feel love, well, you better love yourself
    Be careful now, because love is against the law
    Just so how you can give a fuck, give a shit about the law
    It’s worth your blood, sweat, and tears to be living at all
    You fight the lies everybody tries to tell you you’re dead
    It flashes before your eyes before anybody had said
    The motherfuckers never stop drilling holes in your head

    You want life, oh, but then you die so slow
    Hands up, drop the gun, shots you dead and thats the hole in the law
    You close your eyes, but look at the lies, but then you seen it all
    A freeze-frame lasts forever but the picture is small

    They say love is everywhere but that’s the damnedest thing
    It’s in your eyes and butterflies and part of everything
    The cloudy skies, the fog in your eyes, they will not let you see
    A chance to fall, and hear the call, and grab the magic ring
    Don’t be surprised when you wake up and they tell you you’re dead
    I find that hope where the same is nothing at all
    The motherfuckers never stop drilling holes in your head
    And maybe now as your start to sink
    You wake up and remember the words to this song
    Maybe now as your start to sink
    You wake up to discover you’re singing along


    Useless eaters

    Useless thinkers

    Useful Dead

    Meanwhile on Earth, search the web for “New Galaxy”… and the newest phone model appears.

    18 Nov, 2022 14:57 HomeWorld News

    Two ‘exceptionally bright’ galaxies discovered

    “Most distant starlight ever seen” might provide a clue to solving one of the greatest mysteries in astronomy, scientists said.

    The discovery could shed light on the process of galaxy creation – one of astronomy’s great mysteries, according to the researchers.

    The initial findings, described in two papers published in the Astrophysical Journal Letters, show that the galaxy, referred to as GLASS-z12, dates back to 350 million years after the cosmic-creating Big Bang. If the conclusions are verified, GLASS-z12 will beat a previous record set by the galaxy GN-z11: It existed 400 million years after the Big Bang, which occurred 13.8 billion years ago.

    Another newly discovered galaxy, GLASS-z12, is estimated to have formed about 450 million years after the Big Bang.

    The largest-ever known galaxy was recently discovered-

    The largest-ever known galaxy was recently discovered by

    The James Webb Space Telescope has spotted a remote, reddish galaxy shining just 350 million years after the birth of the cosmos 13.8 billion years ago, surprising astronomers who are struggling to figure out how stars and galaxies could have formed so rapidly in the wake of the Big Bang, researchers said Thursday.

    “These observations just make your head explode,” Paola Santini, a co-author of a paper describing the discovery in the Astrophysical Journal Letters, said in a statement. “This is a whole new chapter in astronomy. It’s like an archaeological dig, and suddenly you find a lost city or something you didn’t know about. It’s just staggering.”

    No one yet knows when the first stars turned on after the so-called “dark ages” ended and light first began to travel freely through the universe. But “I think anything earlier than 100 million years would just be really weird,” Garth Illingworth, a Webb astronomer and professor at the University of California Santa Cruz, told reporters.

    “We were mostly thinking a couple of hundred million years was likely to be where the very first things formed,” he said. “But these galaxies potentially are so massive that it may push us back earlier than that two hundred. This is really a great open question — when did the first stars form? And so these galaxies, I think, will be a pathfinder to that.”

    All these different creatures, plants, species… flying, swimming, burrowing, swaying, stalking and swaggering around on a spinning planet in a limitless Universe. You’d think we could do better.
    Or at least Live and Let Live…. You know, just in case we did depend on all life so that all life could live and thrive harmoniously. I think therefore… I Am.

    And, if we cannot trust information obtained from our senses, then how can we confirm the existence of an external world?

    Maybe our brains are just in vats somewhere, hooked up to a load of computers, and all this ‘experience’ is mere simulation. Or maybe nothing physical exists at all and this is all just one big hallucination — everything is an illusion, a figment of the mental realm, or even the conjurings of an Evil Demon determined to mislead us about the true nature of reality…


    Another round of stupidity by EU.


    I love when the Mad Ozzies get rolled up and over through the top of the curl after wiping out deep inside.
    We call it , “Going over the falls.”

Viewing 21 posts - 41 through 61 (of 61 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.