Debt Rattle September 11 2021


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    Re upstateNYer

    Sorry, but without seeing the actual pathology tests run and the results of those tests, I ain’t buying it. Just what DID that person die from then? Blood clots that caused a heart attack or a stroke … that originated why?? Would need far more details before I buy into the BS that the vaccine couldn’t be the catalyst.”

    Exactly. When my 80+ year old friend has a “mini-stroke” and is diagnosed with high blood pressure and “micro-clots”…I suggested it could be the vaccine. She said, no way, I had the vaccine 5 months ago. I could push it no further. So when there is talk of needing a booster she goes to her primary care doctor and gets jab #3, 2 months after the “mini-stroke”…her husband is in a nursing facility. He, also, is a dear friend. I have not seen him for 18 months. I cannot visit him because I am “unvaccinated.” For her, the decision is clear…she will jump through any hoop placed in front of her so that she can see her husband regularly. A year ago she was paying for 2 Covid tests per week to see him. Her priorities are clear.


    “…. friend has a “mini-stroke”….
    Now, waiting for a bypass operation
    He is 82 yrs old


    The drs “believe” my mother has had multiple mini strokes (in her early 80s) recently as she no longer can think straight, and her husband was taken by ambulance to the hospital last month for a small stroke.


    I generally like what Karl Denniger says but I find this piece to be a little strange. By his logic people not getting the jab ages 0 to 39 are, as he puts it, “angels of death” and should get the jab. Also he claims the data proves the jab is destroying existing immunity. There are other possible explanations for the data, e.g. a lot of people between 40 and 79 who didn’t get the jab already had Covid 19 so the case rate for them is lower. I’m not saying this is the case, just saying there are other possible explanations and without more data it’s hard to know.

    Denniger doesn’t mention early treatment in this article (he has elsewhere) and IMO that is the whole enchilada. Vaxxed vs. unvaxxed data is not so useful. I want to see vaxxed vs. no early treatment vs. early treatment data. Also some data with other variables like BMI would be nice. We are being told it is the jab or nothing and I believe that is the big lie. I have, so to speak, hitched my wagon to the effectiveness of prophylactic and early outpatient home treatment. Data from places like India and Mexico seems to say it is the right choice. The data Denniger is using is interesting but unless I’m missing something it doesn’t help a lot because it is missing the variables I’m interested in. Of course the people that are publishing this data will never include the variables I’m interested in.

    Dr. D

    911. I was like, “Okay, there was a building fire. Far away. Like every other day of the year. WTF cares?” Everyone else had the standard reaction. Why I don’t know. Am I wrong? Action items: none. Connection? None. People I know? None. Aaaand so caring a bout this 20 years later? None.

    But I won’t forget. “Never Forget” has a whooole different meaning to some of us who know how to count to 3. Buildings that is. “I see no reason the treason of the eleventh of September should be forgot.”

    “Since mankind’s dawn, a handful of oppressors have accepted the responsibility over our lives that we should have accepted for ourselves. By doing so, they took our power. By doing nothing, we gave it away. We’ve seen where their way leads, through camps and wars, towards the slaughterhouse.” ― Alan Moore, V for Vendetta


    I believe you interpreted KD backwards, although you may still have an issue with the statement, bolding mine:

    “Britain had studiously avoided publishing the ranged data like this in their updates until now. I don’t know why they did it this time but it doesn’t matter. Their data continues to claim that the jabs are effective in preventing hospitalization and death but the exact opposite is true when it comes to getting Covid-19 which means those who are vaccinated may acquire personal protection but in doing so become Angels of Death to others.”

    Where the NIH data helps, is in establishing a crossover for an age group where the vaccine leaves individuals more vulnerable to infection, rather than less, consistently trending the wrong way. Will deaths follow? Stay tuned.
    Meanwhile, your concerns are quite valid, and so keep a lit candle in the window, data may show up yet.

    Michael Reid

    I harvested a 5 point bull moose today and now have lots of meat for the winter. Gave a quarter to my uncle, a quarter to my friend, kidneys to my grandmother and the heart and some liver to my mom. I am looking forward to the tongue as it is my favourite part.


    Remember how Neo, in The Matrix, gets to the point that he can see the code?

    I had a moment like that today. Watch watching the first segment of this: (tucker carleson tonight with substitute)

    It goes over Biden’s wacked out and crazy mandate that businesses mandate vaccination. And then it covers how “the doctors on CNN and MSNBC” are reacting to Biden’s mandate.
    – Biden didn’t go far enough.
    – there should also be a digital vaccine passport
    – ban unvaccinated travel in november
    – vaccination should be required for interstate travel: planes, trains, and buses

    They all seem to be reading the same script. They are preparing their viewers to accept travel restrictions on the unvaccinated.

    I have a crystal ball. The smoke inside is murky, but it is beginning to coalesce into…restricting the travel of the unvaccinated. This is maddening.

    Michael Reid

    @ phoenixvoice

    The way out of this is for everyone to ignore the rules

    those darned kids

    don’t feed the hand that bites you


    Wanna see a neat trick? Watch this…


    Regardless which way you tri-fold the ballot, Elder’s bubble shows up in the crosshairs. Wife and I just creatively re-folded ours. Probably gonna get tossed because we’re weirdos.

    Michael Reid

    @ those darn kids

    “ don’t feed the hand that bites you”

    Yeah. You kill those.


    @thomas: Is that a mail-in ballet? Can people in CA still vote in person? Avoid the election fraud, which is blatant at this point, as much as possible. Seems harder for the fraudsters to mess with an in-person vote.

    Doc Robinson

    I thought DarkMatter’s comment (about Denninger and the data being presented by the governments) was apt, because the GOV.UK report shows the unvaccinated who are under age 40 have a higher rate of infection than the vaccinated in the same age group. Using Denninger’s logic, the unvaccinated under age 40 thus are “Angels of Death” too, similar to the vaccinated in the 40-79 age group, because their higher rates of infection presumably cause more infections (and deaths) in others.

    The data being presented in that report from UK.GOV makes a strong numerical case for the vaccines (but there’s a lot of data being left out, too). I can’t vouch for the calculations and extrapolations, but the resulting numbers as presented are overall in favor of the vaccine narrative, in terms of the estimated numbers of hospitalizations and deaths prevented (based on data from the limited timeframe between weeks 32 and 35). Somehow their calculations work out in favor of the vaccines, despite this black eye for the vaccines, quoted from the report:

    “In individuals aged 40 to 79, the rate of a positive COVID-19 test is higher in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated.”

    Reading between the lines, as Denninger does, it’s apparent that herd immunity should be present (with nearly 100% of the population being seropositive) and all those cases shouldn’t be happening, if the vaccines worked as advertised.


    @ Dr D
    <<“Never Forget” has a whooole different meaning to some of us who know how to count to 3. Buildings that is. “>>

    Exactly. When the first two buildings fell I thought it was very odd that it looked like a controlled demolition. When the third building fell, I knew: “Something is not right.” As more information came in during the next days, weeks, months, years I was looking for how the third building (#7) fell. I never got one. 20 years. I have never wavered. Something is not right. I *know* there is something huge that has been hidden.


    @phoenix: I’m with Michael Reid. Ignore the bulls**t that’s being touted. How could they possibly monitor every back road between the states throughout this immense country?

    These days the narrative has left the gravitational pull of *clown world* and entered an orbit that no intelligent person could fathom if they wanted to. So don’t bother trying to, or invest emotional energy in it.

    This is the US. There won’t be interstate travel bans.


    @UNY, yes, mail-in. This is sort of a McGuffin of an election, in my view. There is enough wrong with the ballots (the ‘holes’ to view the Yes/No, the ‘print your own’, the non-security envelope, and now this) that I think all it will take is for either side to stand up an anonymous complainant, and the whole thing gets scotched.

    I’d vote in person, but I know a little too much about ca’puters and stuff to trust the counting. Until hand-count is a thing, this is what we get. I was seriously tempted to write in Pat Paulsen to send Them one of those double-entendre messages They like…Paulsen was also owner-operator of a winery in CA.

    I saw this today, when we prepped our ballots (will drop at the library, not a mailbox). Now I’m feeling a bit blunt. It seems like we are at the point where peaceful citizens should strip down to render unto Caeser only that which Caeser can take at gunpoint, and spread the rest amongst family, friends and neighbors. I’m on a payroll, so I can’t avoid the bulk of my taxes, but I can sure steer my ‘consumption patterns’ a few more degrees to port/starboard/ain’t-tellin-nobodys!


    Anecdotal: as a NY resident, we’ve been terrorized from the get-go since NYC was selected as ground zero of this covid sh*t. BUT …

    Despite the CDC recommending masks indoors for EVERY county in NY … I’m not seeing them a lot here (central NY). There are, of course, the people who wear a mask no matter what, driving in the car alone, whatever, that hasn’t changed. And there are a handful of places that require masks, but I won’t go to those places and I’m hearing others won’t go to those places, either.

    I haven’t put a mask on in months and have not been booted out of any stores yet. If NY can overcome this, so can the other states.

    As Michael Reid said: “The way out of this is for everyone to ignore the rules “

    Exactly. These are not laws. Period. Quit complying.


    @thomas: I like Larry Elder. Thumbs up on that vote. (also, thank you for responding)

    @UNY. Hmmmm … I kinda like that, too. Way easier to type, ay? 😉


    Earlier today, Mr. House posted a link to a money circus article that did some dot connecting of 9/11 Carbon nanotube fallout to graphene oxide in Covid injections. I guess a creepy conspiracy post is in order given the date.

    I believe most of us who read TAE are “George Carlin” woke by now.

    “We who see government deception cannot win the day with a smoking gun and a hurrah any more than they can ever conclusively defend the official lie.” (quote pinched from the article)

    “Is there any means known more effective than war, assuming you wish to alter the life of an entire people? And they conclude that, no more effective means to that end is known to humanity, than war.” (another quote pinched from the article)

    I remember a while back, the four horsemen entered the discussion thread. I haven’t figured out how to post images, but if you are interested you can pull up “The World in 2019,2020 and 2021” Economist covers.

    2019 (Vitruvian Man)
    2020 (Eye Chart)
    2021 (Slot Machine)

    The 2019 cover has the 4 horsemen (just below Putin). If you look closely, the Statue of Liberty is on the War horse. Is she wearing a mask or a face shield? Also, down in the left corner is a pangolin. Vitruvian man has a cell phone with a QR code in the right hand (digital passport?). In the other right hand are scales. There are other symbolic images and many rabbit holes to down.

    The 2020 cover is an eye chart. Hindsight is 2020? Refer back to 2019 to understand 2020?

    The 2021 cover is a slot machine. The world sits atop the lever arm implying a gamble on how 2021 will play out. Interestingly the Covid injection is shown with a green liquid.

    Back to the horsemen (referencing Wikipedia)

    The Statue of Liberty is on the second horse.

    The rider of the second horse is often taken to represent War (he is often pictured holding a sword upwards as though ready for battle) or mass slaughter. His horse’s color is red (πυρρός, pyrrhos from πῦρ, fire); and in some translations, the color is specifically a “fiery” red. The color red, as well as the rider’s possession of a great sword (μάχαιρα, machaira), suggests blood that is to be spilled. The sword held upward by the second Horseman may represent war or a declaration of war, as seen in heraldry. In military symbolism, swords held upward, especially crossed swords held upward, signify war and entering into battle. (See for example the historical and modern images, as well as the coat of arms, of Joan of Arc.)

    The second Horseman may represent civil war as opposed to the war of conquest that the first Horseman is sometimes said to bring. Other commentators have suggested that it might also represent the persecution of Christians.

    Vitruvian man with the QR code and scales in the right hand.

    The third Horseman rides a black horse and is popularly understood to be Famine as the Horseman carries a pair of balances or weighing scales (Greek ζυγὸν, zygon), indicating the way that bread would have been weighed during a famine. Other authors interpret the third Horseman as the “Lord as a Law-Giver” holding Scales of Justice.] In the passage, it is read that the indicated price of grain is about ten times normal (thus the famine interpretation popularity), with an entire day’s wages (a denarius) buying enough wheat for only one person (one choenix, about 1.1 litres), or enough of the less nutritious barley for three, so that workers would struggle to feed their families.

    Covid injection with green liquid.

    The fourth and final Horseman is named Death. Known as Θάνατος (Thanatos), of all the riders, he is the only one to whom the text itself explicitly gives a name. Unlike the other three, he is not described carrying a weapon or other object, instead he is followed by Hades (the resting place of the dead). However, illustrations commonly depict him carrying a scythe (like the Grim Reaper), sword, or other implement.

    The color of Death’s horse is written as khlōros (χλωρός) in the original Koine Greek,[43] which can mean either green/greenish-yellow or pale/pallid.[44] The color is often translated as “pale”, though “ashen”, “pale green”, and “yellowish green” are other possible interpretations (the Greek word is the root of “chlorophyll” and “chlorine”). Based on uses of the word in ancient Greek medical literature, several scholars suggest that the color reflects the sickly pallor of a corpse. In some modern artistic depictions, the horse is distinctly green.


    I just finished listening to a very distracted Stew Peter’s interview of an anonymous nurse who has worked on the covid floor of a hospital that is posted on The Conservative Tree House.

    It seems the so called covid “delta” variant is just a “cover” for the wave of vaccine injured patients! Hospitals are not overflowing with covid patients as the media says! The hospitals are filled mostly with vaccine injury patients who are referred to as Delta covid!

    I hope Raul posts this CTH interview in tomorrow’s posting!

    This nicely explains why India is not experiencing a second wave!

    We have kind of already figured out that all vaccine deaths are being reported as covid deaths.


    Michael Reid:

    Congratulations on bagging a big moose!

    Hope you didn’t have to hand carry it out! Better to let an ATV do that back breaking work!


    @chooch: Thank you for the four horsemen / Economist covers deep dive. I searched, found the cover images. Extremely interesting. Extremely.


    Correction: Distracted should disturbed! Dam auto correct!

    V. Arnold

    Michael Reid, congratulations on your 5 point Moose…well done you…

    John Day

    Almost a day late, but we had to attend a family funeral in San Antonio 20 Years of This

    Like JFK’s assassination, those of us who were aware on 9/11/01 remember a lot of it fairly clearly. We had our own perceptions, and days at work, and some of us saw TVs more that day than others. I was working with patients all day, and did not.
    Thierry Meyssan, a French journalist, was in New York City filming a documentary for something-completely-different, got some footage of planes flying towards the twin towers, and became one of the early investigators of those events. The conspiracy theory is what we got on TV and the news, and it justified the Global War On Terror, which meant the global war of empire against brown people in oil-places, especially if they try to sell the oil for anything but $US.
    The objective of it was hard to suss out for most of us, but the Rumsfeld Cebrowski Doctrine was fundamentally about destroying the economies of countries that had resources “we” needed, so that they would not use them up.
    Travis sends this Corbett Report 5 minute takedown of the official conspiracy theory of the ragheads with boxcutters, run by Osama Bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan, who dropped 3 buildings into their own footprints with 2 airplanes, and in freefall time, which could only be done by controlled demolition on any other day.

    Thierry Meyssan has some tidbits in here, that “even” I hadn’t been aware of. I’ll try to pick them out, but his main point is that the “continuity government” that Cheney and Rumsfeld had been working on since Jerry Ford was in the white house took control away from all elected office-holders that day and ran the show. You could see it as a coup d’etat, but they let the headless horseman George Bush go back to work when it was over, because he was cool with it, anyway.
    On the very day of the attacks, on New York’s Channel 9, real estate developer Donald Trump called the official version of the collapse of the towers a “lie”.

    ​ ​Meyssan about his 9/11 book​ 9/11: The Big Lie
    ​ ​It is a work of political science aimed at denouncing what these false-flag attacks would make possible: the surveillance of Western populations and the endless war in the wider Middle East. ​

    ​ We have forgotten many other things, such as the insider trading in the shares of the affected airlines, the fire in the Old Eisenhower Building, or the collapse of a third tower in the World Trade Center. ​

    ​What is most astonishing is that almost no one remembers that at 10am, Richard Clarke triggered the ’Continuity of Government Plan’ [5]. At that very moment, President Bush and Congress were suspended from office and placed under military protection. President Bush was taken to an air base in Nebraska where the CEOs of the upper floors of the Twin Towers had been since the previous evening [6]; and Congress to the Greenbrier megabunker. Power fell into the hands of the “Continuity Government”. It was in the Raven Rock Mountain megabunker (’Site R’) [7]. Power was not returned to the civilians until the end of the day.

    ​ Informed by his staff that a Russian satellite had just observed a missile being fired from a Navy ship off the coast of Washington at the Pentagon, the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, tried to contact his US counterpart. He was unable to do so. Not because the telephone networks had broken down, but because George W. Bush was temporarily no longer president.


    I’ll try posting the Economist covers and hope it works:


    ht to commenter Georgi at Market Ticker: Did the Brits quit?!?

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