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    Over the past week, Europe, or rather the present EU leadership, has done damage to itself it will never be able to repair. It seems to escape everbod
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    #7239

    TAE Summary
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    * It is all going according to plan; There is an invisible war going on with unknown weapons and combatants; The Enemy is B.F.C., Big Fu…. um, Big Finance Capital; Keep banging the drum and try to avoid being trampled
    * Don’t blame the Rook when your Pawn gets sacrificed so the Queen and King can live in the Hamptons; Good doesn’t combat evil, evil combats itself
    * Faith in complex institutions is disintegrating; Are the buffoons running things or is it malevolence or maybe just evil clowns? Brit taxi driver knows all, tells all
    * We are at an unknown place on the collapse continuum; There’s no second guessing economists; System managers don’t grasp common sense; When your only tool is Occam’s razor every problem looks like a haircut
    * There is not enough cash to go around; TARP can cover a multitude of sins; Shaved savings will bailout big banks; Debasement is too slow and scary; Threatened savings motivate consumption; 90% won’t be able to buy bread; The other half will be on food stamps
    * Money has no motherland; Get hard assets before the dollar goes fladcid; Run to gold and silver, art and farmland; When the stock market crumbles, watch out
    * Bank runs are classic Keynsian; Some bank runs are more equal than others; Deflation is a peace time phenomenon; Capitalism has never had a chance except at swap meets where it reached its full flower in the macrame’-pot-hanger bubble of 1978
    * Europe is becoming one big dictatorship; Europeans are passive; Cyprus may be a test run; The first country to leave Eurozone will suffer; Greece and Italy vote for antiestablishmentausterityism; European Spring up next
    * End Time Cliche’s
    – The fuse has been lit
    – The cat is out of the bag
    – The first domino has fallen
    – The game is up
    – The sky is falling
    – Self destruct has been activated
    – Growth is dead
    – I believe the day will come …
    – Let’s do it
    * Word of the Day: Gobsmacked: Brits for bewildered, dazed, astonied

    #7241

    Ken Barrows
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    But isn’t Southern Europe just scared s***less that, if they go back to national currencies, they won’t be able to afford any oil? Are they going with the misery they know instead of a perceived unknown that is much worse?

    #7242

    Doubled
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    The big “surprise” will be when the banks finally open and most
    most of the “major” deposits are gone!!! Bribery and threats
    make money move very fast!!

    #7243

    Golden Oxen
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    Just amazing to me how the banks in Spain and Italy are still open. This entire Europe situation is beyond my grasp. Watching now as if it is suspense, horror movie with the usual unfathomable surprise ending.

    How can anyone leave a deposit sitting in these countries over the long Easter weekend??

    #7245

    TheTrivium4TW
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    >>The EU, with all its 1000s of highly paid employees and its multiheaded leadership structure, time and again fails to do its overseeing job< < Oh, I think they are doing a splendid job and you are comparing their actions to the false narrative version of their jobs. Any nation state that employes Debt Money Tyranny, de fact, an agent of the said Debt Money Tyrants. Debt Money Tyranny
    https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

    To think that these Debt Money Tyrant enabling governments are anything other than puppets of their tyrant masters is to embrace unreality amidst the pretty obvious reality.

    Napoleon, another tyrant, got it down…

    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
    ~Napoleon Bonaparte

    Yes, it *is* that simple.

    And yes, conspiracies exist and Adam Smith even wrote how cherished they are in Wealth of Nations (just because they didn’t teach this in school doesn’t mean it isn’t real!)

    “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”
    ~ Adam Smith

    Of course the rich and powerful are actively conspiring to rig the system against the common person – that’s a summation of human history since the dawn of humankind.

    They aren’t dumb or stupid, they treat us like we are dumb or stupid.

    #7246

    Anonymous

    It was clear from the start that the EMU/Euro could not work, and would get into serious trouble once a real crisis started. The introduction of the EMU was also completely undemocratic. Apart from that, one now has to face the simple truth that bailouts and solidarity between Eurozone states and their very different peoples are finite. The North is increasingly getting fed up with having to bail out other countries and the South is getting tired of austerity. So, apart from a technical/financial problem with bailouts, in the end there simply is not enough money to bail everybody out, there is also a large social problem. In Greece the fascist party is on the rise, here in Holland, where I live, the infamous Geert Wilders and his extreme right wing party have recently become the largest party in the polls! This is largely due to the failure of the political mainstream to solve the problems in Europe. The EMU could not possibly work, as many have predicted. Now that this is plainly visible for everyone, it is high time to plan an orderly dissolution of the European Monetary Union. Better late than never.

    #7248

    davefairtex
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    It is a bit alarming to see how well Mr Wilders is doing, and while Holland is actually faring relatively well. If and when things take a turn for the worse, I suspect he would only gain support.

    When mainstream politicans are seen clearly to be bought off by the moneyed interests its the fringe that the people end up turning towards. Sometimes the fringe can be good, and other times, not so much.

    #7250

    p01
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    People in Spain and Portugal still have a choice

    No, they don’t!
    They HAD a choice in 2008, but since then absolutely everybody had been on a rampage of totaling whatever money they still had, and maxing all the credit they still could.
    I don’t blame them, because it’s a bitch to resist and not just say “screw this, I’m maxing the $shit out of everything I can get my hands on“, because _insert_whatever_reason_here_.
    On the other hand, I don’t shed a tear for the ones over their head in debt, either, because their actions have directly affected me via the inflation they have created by taking on debt upon debt without measure, when it became clear it cannot be paid back (most have already figured out it cannot be paid back).

    #7252

    Nassim
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    In another age, Napoleon was – for excellent reasons – considered to be the Antichrist (like Hitler). He was an amazing individual with heaps of bravado and good luck to start with. He also had an excellent understanding of the superiority of canon over infantry and cavalry.

    However, he did not have a clue as to how to create wealth – only how to rob others or to borrow it. In many ways, he was the personification of the modern American/Australian/Brit/Canadian etc.

    He left France’s middle-classes entirely bankrupt – they lost all their savings and capital. Later, to try to encourage people to save again and to use their savings in industry and commerce, the French created the Caisse des dépôts et consignations

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caisse_des_d%C3%A9p%C3%B4ts_et_consignations

    This organisation has a very special legal status in France – to try to protect it from predatory politicians. I spent some time with them a long while ago working on their software. They were very proud of having made it very difficult for the Germans to remove France’s capital during WW2. Their accounts and shareholdings are a labyrinth of complexity. The listing of their holdings was a computer printout around around 15cm high. Of course, I doubt if the recent crop of French politicians have not managed to “fix” it in some way. They had much more time than the Germans to do so and they could appeal to the “national interest”

    #7268

    Variable81
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    While Europe is clearly the focal point right now, I was hoping TAE could back off of it for a moment to look at what’s going on in the rest of the Western world… say, for example, where Nicole Foss lives:

    https://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.ca/2013/03/canada-discusses-forced-depositor-bail.html

    Cheers,
    -GBV

    #7269

    jal
    Participant

    What is happening has been planned.

    Its a troika experiment.

    Now we get to see what happens when the central banks do the right thing and don’t start up the printing press.

    The objective is to get a default and gather the data from the resulting chaos.

    All doomers should pay attention.

    Coming To a Town Near You

    Keep watching. Keep gathering your own data.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-25/word-out-place-sends-europe-tumbling

    A Word Out Of Place Sends Europe Tumbling

    “Cyprus a Template For EU”

    (Banks would love to be able to operate on leveraged cash flow and not have to share it with anyone, (depositors).)

    #7280

    It Was A Very Bad Friday – Take A Tour Of Namie, A Radioactive Zombie Fukushima Ghost Town https://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/2013/03/it-was-very-bad-friday-take-tour-of.html

    #7302

    Gravity
    Participant

    Not every currency is sick; every currency that is sick is dissolveable.

    #7308

    Jack
    Member

    I came across this today and I would like to know if this can really happen in Canada
    Thanks

    https://www.myfamilysurvivalplan.com/cyprus-style-bank-account-confiscation-is-in-the-new-2013-canadian-government-budget/#more-5777

    https://jptjv.com/backyard/recommends/
    This is where the link came from

    #7310

    Jack,

    What I’ve seen so far is “confiscation plans” from New Zealand, UK and Canada. Disconcerting, for sure, but no need to go all out – just yet -. I see no reason to doubt that all rich enough nations have similar plans on the shelf. Cyprus is just one more reason to not trust the solidity of a bankrupt banking system; and they all are bankrupt, wherever you live.

    #7313

    Jack
    Member

    Hi Ilargi!
    Thanks for you reply.
    From my observation things are normal for some people and to some there is a crisis.
    I am in Canada.
    Real Estate is selling specially new condos.

    #7316

    ted
    Participant

    I don’t understand how some can project that things won’t happen in wealthy nations until…all the other countries fall…for example I heard in an interview that Stonleigh had with Howard Kunstler in which she said that the US dollar had about 10 years to go before losing its value…Seems like when faith is lost it will rip through all countries like wild fire all of our economies are inter-connected. It reminds me of when the media was telling us that China was going to de couple from the rest of the world and not be affected by the recession in the U.S..does the U.S really have 10 years? But then again I am amazed we made it to 2013 thanks Ted

    #7407

    Jack
    Member

    https://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/54142

    This is fear mongering on the part of the reporter and she ought to be ashamed

    This is one of the comments and the others all agree with the reporter.

    What do you folks think.

    #7416

    SteveB
    Participant

    Ted, Stoneleigh’s perspective is that wealth will go to safe havens first, and she considers the US dollar one that will be seen as such, at least initially, and at least relative to other currencies. That’s what would account for the ‘grace period’ for the US.

    #7417

    Jack
    Member

    Hi Steve!
    Thanks for your reply.
    I am not following the gold news closely but I noticed the head line from Max Keiser and he says IMF is selling and China is buying.
    US owes a lot of money to China and also China is holding a lot of US dollars.
    With the price of gold falling it seems like the US is sending a message to China that one way or the other you are going to loose with your investment.

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