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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle June 21 2022 #110120
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    @D BentonSmith: “The acid test of the moral legitimacy of any government, from largest to smallest, is whether or not that ‘government’ will actually let you do the right thing when you need to.
    I haven’t found one yet…”

    Bhutan?
    Yanomamo in Amazon rain forest?
    Don’t just give up, Man!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 21 2022 #110119
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    @Red:
    Careful, Bro’, we didn’t even take those classes in college.
    We ougt to leave eugenicidal-herd-thinning to experts with training and experience.
    It’s above our pay grade.

    Moooo…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2022 #110117
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    testing…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 21 2022 #110109
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    Thought the Western-Empire is “in power”, which is declining hard, it is not “America”, per se, just as ordinary Britons, including those enlisted in the British military were not served by that empire, but were expendible pawns, who occasionally got an “attaboy!”

    There is a lot to support the case that the Western-Empire just diversified a bit, using the American military and $US, instead of the British military and pund sterling. FDR wanted to de-imperialize the world, but his plans were re-routed after his death to a new financial-imperialism.

    The City of London and NYC operate in tandem within this system, and have the Cayman Islands and other small venues for special features.

    FDR really was planning for a multipolar world. His death has always been suspicious. Stalin was absolutely convinced that “Churchill’s gang” poisoned him. The means and motive werecertainly there, and there had been 3 assassination attempts on FDR before he took office, then that attempt to get an army of US veterans to overthrow him, outed bySmedly Butler.

    The Han Chinese attitude, after thousands of years of ruling-the-world (until it got bigger) is naturally that the Han rule the world, with occasional lapses.
    The rest of Asia knows this and always wants some counterbalance to unrestricted Han Chinese power.
    “China” as now constituted is an empire of subjugated peoples for the most part.
    Vietnam, Thailand, the Koreas, Japan and Taiwan are acutely aware that they are always on the list to be invaded again Cambodia, Laos and Burma are functioning as Chinese colonies.
    The Han hand has always been heavy, harsh and arbitrary.
    You don’t want to live under that hand either.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 21 2022 #110108
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    Thanks Slimyalligator and D Benton Smith.

    @others: Politeness helps, please.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2022 #110072
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    D Benton Smith said:
    “In other words, to survive as a species we must and therefor we shall either gain wisdom or lose power. And it’s being played out right now.
    I’m willing to negotiate my surrender. Sure hope that the boss still is.”

    That’s my assessment, too, and it may be jittery, in fits and starts, so I’m trying to go on ahead, do my best, and not be roadkill.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2022 #110065
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    Moscow will throw its full support toward helping the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics revive their war-torn economies, Russia’s trade and industry minister, Denis Manturov, told RT on Friday.
    “We have met with the heads of both republics for detailed talks over plans for economic reconstruction,” …​
    ​The Construction Ministry said it would also help rebuild and manage critical infrastructure and prepare for the winter.
    Schools, hospitals and daycare centers, as well as housing, will be the priorities.
    ​ ​The Donbass republics have already signed cooperation agreements with several Russian regions. Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin has recently announced that 300 specialists from the city are already working to restore the water supply in Donetsk.
    ​ ​Meanwhile, DPR leader Denis Pushilin said on Friday that a deal had been signed to buy food and building materials from Iran. He added that Donetsk plans to sell metal, cast iron, mining equipment, fertilizer, and other goods to the Islamic Republic.
    https://www.rt.com/business/557387-russia-rebuild-donbass-trade-minister/

    KURDISH, PRO-GOVERNMENT & IRANIAN-BACKED FORCES SET UP JOINT OPERATION ROOM IN SYRIA’S ALEPPO​ (This is an allied joint command.)
    ​ Kurdish, pro-government and Iranian-backed formations had established a joint operations room called the “North Thunderbolt” in Syria’s Aleppo to coordinate against Turkey, the Al-Monitor reported on June 19.
    ​ ​The operatio​​ns room, which was established on May 25, is headquartered at a Russian base in the village of Hardatnin in the northern countryside of Aleppo.​..
    ..Two Russian officers, three officers from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, three Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) leaders and two leaders from the pro-government forces are reportedly present at the operations room, which commands some 600 fighters.

    Kurdish, Pro-Government & Iranian-Backed Forces Set Up Joint Operation Room In Syria’s Aleppo

    ​ Medical Vitamin-D expert, David Grimes MD has been sorting through Canadian government health statistics, which are cumulative.
    He substacted the totals from the week of 4/10/22 from the week of 4/17/22 and found this information about COVID deaths for that week.​
    ​ ​Covid-19 deaths among the unvaccinated increased from 9511 to 9512, an increase during the week of just one.
    Only 1 of the 227 Covid-19 deaths was a person who had not been vaccinated. Let this true but unpublicised fact sink in.
    http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 20 2022 #110064
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    Making efforts to avoid re-posting items already posted on TAE.
    Pictue of “cold-tolerant” avocado seedlings faring differently. the biggest 2 handled winter the best.
    https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/non-wef-alliances

    Michael Hudson’s recent interview is largely on the history of western economics as a study, updated to current trends.
    Economic Rent and Exploitation:
    ..Patten cited public roads and canals to lower the cost of doing business. He also noted that every time you build a road or railroad, you’re going to raise the land value along these routes – and lower land prices for areas replaced by the now-more-accessible producers. You can simply self-finance the cost of these by taxing the rent.
    You also need public education, and that should be free so that you don’t have like today, to earn enough money to pay an enormous student debt – and receive a high salary to afford to pay that…

    ..So the movement towards public infrastructure towards government spending was led by the industrialists. It was they themselves who wanted strong government. The common denominator of politics from Adam Smith through all of the 19th century was to free economies from the unnecessary economic rent, to free them from unearned income, from the free lunch. To do that, you have to have a government strong enough to take on the vested interests – first the landlord class in the House of Lords, and then the financial class behind it…

    ..Government infrastructure is a fourth means of production. But what makes it different from profits and wages is that if you’re a wage earner, you want to make as high a wage as possible. If you’re a capitalist, you want to make as high a profit as possible. But the job of public investment is not to make an income, not to do what was done under Thatcher and Tony Blair, not to treat public utilities, education and health as profit making opportunities. Instead, Patten said, you should measure their productivity by how much they lower the cost of doing business and the cost of living for the economy at large…

    ..Protectionists in America said the way to minimise costs – and it may seem an oxymoron to you – the way you minimise costs is to have high-wage labour. You raise the wages of labour, or more specifically, you want to raise the living standards, because highly paid labour, highly educated labour, well fed labour, well rested labour is more productive than pauper labour. So they said explicitly, America’s going to be a high wage economy. We’re not like Europe. Our higher wages are going to provide high enough living standards to provide high labour productivity. And our higher labour productivity, shorter working day, better working conditions, healthy working conditions, public health, well educated labor will undersell that of countries that don’t have an active public sector…

    ..Needless to say, the fight for the kind of democracy that will free economies from economic rent was not easy. By the late 1880s, and especially the 1890s, you had the rentiers fighting back. In America the fight was led by John Bates Clark. There was a movement, which today is called neoliberalism, to deny the entire thrust of classical economics. Clarke said that there is no such thing is unearned income. That meant that economic rent does not exist. Whatever a businessman makes, he is said to earn. Whatever a landlord makes, he earns – so there was no unearned income…

    On difficulties with big government and small government:
    ..In the 19th century, in order to tax the land rent, you had to take on the most powerful vested interests of all: the real estate interests and the financial interests. But Henry George was a libertarian. He was for small government. He broke with the socialists, because he warned that socialism had a potential for authoritarianism. Well, we know that he was right in that warning, because we saw what happened in Stalinist Russia. But obviously, what you want is a government that is strong and democratic, and with enough authority to tax and regulate the vested interests. (That term is Veblen’s, by the way.) That was the ideal in America, but it needed a strong enough government so that Teddy Roosevelt could come in and be able to bust the trusts.​..​

    ​..​The government was strong enough in 1913-14 to impose an American income tax that fell just on 1% of the population, almost entirely on economic rent, on land rent, mineral rent on monopoly rent of the big corporations. If you’re a libertarian, your government is too small to take on these vested interests. And you’ll never win…

    ..I find little interest in today’s socialist movement or the socialist movement 50 years ago about land rent. They are more concerned about international issues, about war, about almost everything except land rent. And today I find the greatest interest in rent theory as a guide to a tax system in the context of an overall economic system to be in China. So that’s really where the debate over how to keep the price of housing down by keeping the financial sector from trying to capitalise the land rent into a bank loan…

    ..Russia could have been a low-cost economy. It could have kept the oil and gas, Yukos, GazProm, nickel and platinum resources all in the public domain to finance investment in re-industrialization, to become independent of the West. But as we all know, Ted and the people that Fred Harrison bought were completely overwhelmed by the billions of dollars that U.S. diplomats spent on promoting kleptocracy and shock therapy in Russia. Its officials andinsiders worked for themselves, not Russia…

    ..The National Income and Product Accounts treat rent as a product, not a subtrahend
    A byproduct of this value-free doctrine is how countries calculate their national income and product accounts. And if you look at the GDP accounts for the United States (and I’ve published a number of articles on my website and in major economic journals), rent is counted as part of GDP.​..
    ​..A classical economic accounting format would show how much of the prices for what our society produces is actually necessary, and how much is a subtrahend. Classical economists treat the land rent that you pay, interest charges and monopoly prices as a rake-off. So not all of your income is income equals “product,” because only a portion of that income represents a real product.
    ​ ​In America, the head of Goldman Sachs a few years ago said Goldman Sachs partners – a financial management firm – make more money than almost anyone else in America, because they’re the most productive. If you make a lot of money, by definition, you make it by being productive. That’s the false identity…

    ..A precondition for what you call an economist, especially a Nobel Prize winning economist, is not to understand how the economy works. Because if you understand that, you’re going to threaten the vested interests that are getting the free lunch. You have to say there’s no such thing as a free lunch, everybody earns whatever they can get. Robbers and criminals like that idea. “Yeah, we stole it fair and square!”..

    …So the way that the economy works today is no longer industrial capitalism; it is finance capitalism. Instead of Industrial Engineering, making society produce more with all of the environmental protection cost included, you have financial engineering, making wealth by increasing stock-market prices. Wealth is not achieved by earning it. You don’t save up your earnings and get wealthy. I think half of Americans are unable to raise $400 In an emergency. They have no savings at all..

    .​..​Under Reagan’s 1981 tax “reform” you could pretend that if you buy a big commercial building, you can write off 1/7 of the entire costs every single year as tax deductible income. At the end of seven years, you change your ownership from one name to another name, and you start all over again. The same building can be re depreciated again and again and again… But nowhere in the national income statistics is a report of how much income real estate owners actually claim as depreciation. They haven’t done that because if they showed this, people would think, ‘Wait a minute, this is a giveaway. This is utterly unrealistic.”​…​

    ..The purpose of industrial capitalism was to free economies from the legacy of feudalism. And the legacy of feudalism was the landlord-warrior class collecting hereditary rent and the predatory banks that were not making loans for industry. None of the industrialists got their money to invest from banks. The inventors of the steam engine couldn’t get loans except by mortgaging their houses. Banks don’t lend money to create capital, only for the right to foreclose on it…

    ..Until 1971, countries running a balance of payments deficit would have to settle it either in gold or by selling off their industry to investors in the payments-surplus countries. Well, beginning with the war in Korea in 1950-1951, the U.S. balance of payments moved into deficit. The entire U.S. balance of payments deficit from the Korean War to the 1970s was a result of its foreign military spending.
    ​ By ​the time the Vietnam war was ending, the Americans had to sell its gold every month. Vietnam had been a French colony, so the banks there were French. As America spent more dollars in Southeast Asia, these dollars were sent from local French bank branches to their head offices in Paris. The Paris bank would turn over these dollars to the central bank for francs, and the central bank, under General de Gaulle, would cash in these dollars for gold.
    ​ ​Germany was doing the same thing, using its export proceeds that were paid in dollars to buy gold…

    ..My job at Chase was to analyse basically the balance of payments of Third World countries and then of the oil industry. I had to develop an accounting format to find how much does the oil industry actually makes in the rest of the world. I had to calculate natural-resource rent, and how large it was. I did that from 1964 till October 1967. Then I had to quit to finish my dissertation to get the PhD. And then I developed the system of balance-of-payments analysis that actually was the way it had been calculated before GDP analysis.
    ​ ​I went to work for Arthur Andersen and spent a year calculating the whole U.S. balance of payments. That’s where I found that it was all military in character, and I began to write in popular magazines like Ramparts, warning that America’s foreign wars were forcing it to run out of gold. That was the price that America was paying for its military spending abroad.
    ​ ​I realised as soon as it went off gold in 1971 that America now had a cost-free means of military spending. Suppose you were to go to the grocery store and just pay in IOUs. You could just keep spending If you could convince the owner, the grocer to use the IOU to pay the farmers and the dairy people for their products. What if everybody else used these IOUs as money? You would continue to get your groceries for free.
    ​ ​That’s how the United States economy works under the dollar standard, at least until the present…

    ..Just about everybody thought that it would take many years for China, Russia, Iran, India, Indonesia and other countries to get their act together and create an alternative. But this year the Biden administration itself destroyed America’s free ride for the dollar. First the United States grabbed Venezuela’s foreign exchange, then Biden grabbed all of the foreign exchange of Afghanistan, just confiscated it. And then a month ago he confiscated $300 billion of Russia’s foreign exchange reserves. He said, in effect, that we are the leading democracy in the world, and global democracy means that America’s military gets to appoint foreign presidents…

    ..Europe has committed economic suicide, United States offered its leaders a lot of money in their offshore accounts, and made sure that their kids got free education in the United States. But in return, they would have to represent the United States, not Germany, France or other countries. The Americans have been meddling in European politics for years. European politicians do not represent their own countries. They represent the American State Department and American diplomacy. And they were told to lock their countries into the U.S. economy…
    ..America said that you Europeans are bothering them by trying to stop global warming. That’s a direct attack on a major arm of U.S. diplomacy, the oil industry. American companies control almost all the world’s oil trade. It’s the highest rent-yielding sector in the world. And it’s income-tax free. It’s politically powerful, and as long as America can control the oil trade, it can talk to Latin American countries or African countries and say if they elect a leader that U.S. officials don’t like, it can impose sanctions and stop exporting oil to them to freeze them out. They won’t get fertilizer, so the U.S. can starve you out. It can put a sanction on their food trade.

Agriculture is Americans biggest trade surplus…

    Regarding the developing alternate world trade block:
    They’re going to hold each other’s currencies. Especially now that Russia is denominating its exports, in roubles instead of dollars. The American banks have lost the trade financing of the world oil trade, certainly Russian oil and agricultural trade. Instead of holding dollars, countries will hold rouble reserves to stabilise their currencies via the rouble, China is holding rouble reserves, and Russia is holding Chinese yuan reserves.
    The balance will be held more in gold and some kind of assets without a liability attached to them. I think the logical direction in which this is moving is that the non-dollar countries will create their own version of the International Monetary Fund, their own World Bank, their own trade organization…

    ..If American Europe is left with its current foreign policy, biowarfare and atomic bombs, NATO will be shunned by the civilised world. As Rosa Luxemburg said a century ago, the choice is between socialism or barbarism. NATO, Europe and America represent the new barbarism. The alternative is socialism. That is how the world seemed to be developing in Europe and America until World War I untracked everything. The rest of the world now has a chance to get back on track. I don’t know what’s going to happen in the West. https://thesaker.is/economic-rent-and-exploitation-michael-hudson-shepheard-walwyn/

    Russian warships have destroyed a Ukrainian command center with Kalibr cruise missiles, killing dozens officers, Moscow’s Defense Ministry reported on Sunday. “More than 50 generals and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were killed,” the statement outline. The strike took place near the village of Shirokaya Dacha in Dnepropetrovsk Region. It hit a compound where commanders of several Ukrainian units had gathered for a meeting, according to Moscow. The ministry added that Kalibr missiles were also used to destroy 10 M777 howitzers and up to 20 armored vehicles that were recently delivered from the West, and had been stored inside a factory building in the southern city of Nikolayev. https://www.rt.com/russia/557428-50-ukrainian-generals-officers-killed-russia/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 19 2022 #110025
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    @Archie: We have frequented this blog similar amounts of time, since early 2008 for me. I found ZH from a post on TAE.
    The contributors to comments and the culture of the section have changed continuously.
    I’m trying to be of service. That’s a good part of this culture.
    How reality works is in question. It’s not a decided question. It bears discussion and personal exploration in these critical times.

    @V.Arnold: You live in Thailand, Man. As an expat in Thailand you should have a broader view of how the world might-possibly work. The Dwarf Namwah banana plants are having a very good year so far in Yoakum.
    Anything that causes irritation might be a lesson on the path.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 19 2022 #110009
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    @VP Gary: Thanks.
    Live and let live. Not all debates can be settled.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 19 2022 #110007
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    “Economics” and “truth”being topics, Michael Hudson has a new interview transcript out which addresses both of these, as relatedto “econmics” and also to the actual movements and applications of capital, which he learned are very different, so had to do his dissertation on “The History Of Economic Thought” and skip what he learned on his job evaluating global capital movements, balance-of-payments actuarial analysis.

    Economic Rent and Exploitation: Michael Hudson, Shepheard Walwyn

    Where are we now and where might we soon go?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 19 2022 #110002
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    Formerly T-Bear will not consider, nor discuss that which cannot be framed “objectively”.

    Isaac Newton was a practiotioner of “Natural Philosophy”, and also an Alchemist. He had spiritual beliefs.

    Albert Eistein said “God does not play at dice”. He felt that he knew.

    “Feelings” are subjective experience. “Stones fall from the sky” on some people, but not upon others.

    1967 and this summer are times of mass changes in consciousness, “the summer of love”, and the French student movement, which became a revolution in 1968. You may use Zeitgeist in a sense of “current fashion”, but it can also efer to Jung’s “collective unconscious”, which is how I usually use the term.

    We disagree.
    I agree that it’s fine, and wish you well.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 19 2022 #110001
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    Kassandra said (and I never disagreed, just pointed out another group of american expats):
    “I’ve been to these ex-pat areas in Mexico and Costa Rica. Very few are contributing to the country and locals, other than providing menial “jobs” to maintain their lovely homes and gardens. I liken them to the rich people buying their compounds in Montana. They will be targets for the locals if things get bad enough.”

    To the degree that Mexicans survive in some more-stable areas, American ex-pats, who are working and contributing and become community members, should also survive. This is a smaller group, usually with mixed marriages and family-ties.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 19 2022 #109989
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    Kassandra said:
    “Do upper middle class gringos living in their compounds really think they will be safe there if/when the SHTF? I grew up in SoCal in primarily Mexican neighborhoods in the 80s. I know how I was treated. Sure, it can be a lovely culture and I have close friends who are from Mexico, but I also know the history. I really don’t understand how people think Mexico is going to be their safe haven. Or Egypt or Pakistan. Really? Enlighten me.”

    I have different kinds of friends living-sojourning in Mexico in different ways.
    You observe those who are sold a good-bargain-living-arrangement product. Mexico is regionalized into fiefdoms. Cartels are not powerful in many places, or know to leave themalone and take some tribute, so as to not kill the tourism goose that lays golden eggs.
    On the other hand are people with family connections and other real connections, people who garden and homestead themselves within non-tourist communities. They are different. They are more realistic and self-reliant problem-solvers, not product-buyers. They often have several options in several places, upon which they regularly work and invest sweat equity, farming somwhere in summer and somewhere else in winter, so to speak (or actually).

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 19 2022 #109987
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    Formerly T-Bear said:
    “Truth is a mirage, it can evaporate upon approach. Things are either true or not and are not fungible between those conditions. Once a great debate took place, whether stones fell from the sky. Those witnessing such asserted the truth that they did. Those not witnessing that event held the truth stones did not fall from the sky. Both sides assuredly held to their truth which once true facts were known, the truth evaporated for one set and was assured the other. That is what I referred to as the mirage of truth. Your definitions may differ.
    Some exception is taken to the necessity of subjugation to your classification – materialistic worldview, particularly when coupled with judgmental right or wrong, all on a presumption. Better you guess the answer.
    Trust the above will settle some of your troubles. Thanks”

    Both Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein had deep spiritual beliefs, arising from their own conscious experiences of life and attempts to fully comprehend nature. They both believed in “absolute truth”, but Truth is an enigmatic puzzle. How is the life of a universe NOT pre-ordained when it goes Big-Bang?

    The uncertainty-principle holds from the viewpoint of an investigator, who must affect reality to observe it. This is a point-of-view. Is there an absolute truth which underlies it, but is not accessible by scientific investigation? That is the enigma of truth.

    One school of Buddhism, “mind only”, citta-mātra postulates that all of reality exists within consciousness, within universal-mind, which might be called “God” and is not described as having or not-having personality. From where we stand as conscious physical/animal beings, it does not appear that there is a phsycal investigation which could settle this philosophical question.

    From the other side of the question, if we are conscious and are part of universal consciousness, then it should be possible for us to “know” that somehow.
    Such knowlege would not be transferrable by physical means. It would be words, not proof.
    One thought-problem I have worked with in life is that of Karma, spiritual cause-and-effect, which is taught in most major religions (not a proof , nor a refutation).
    To my assessment the world can either act like a machine with uncertainty jitter, or karma can be an efffective law of existence. They seem mutually exclusive to my analysis.
    I have investigated karma throughout my 64 years, and it appears to be a “law” in my life. I think anybody can do this investigation.
    I am a meditation-practitioner (unimpressively so). I have epiphanies occasionally, and generally experience a connectedness to others, even when not-present.
    This is non-transferrable. It is just my anecdote.

    Every “mystic”must still have a working-model of hysical reality.
    Those who hold to physical-only reality, which is avery well developed model now, do not need to have any model of mysticism. It can be completely discounted in our society.

    Mysticism melds well with principled morality. Materialism has a harder time aligning with principled morality. What is materially rational will often be selfish and immoral, which we see in the corruption of government and other institutions.

    Again, there are tests a person can do in his/her/it/their life, which are no-communicablr, so to speak.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 18 2022 #109947
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    Dr.D said: ‘Macron gave them six guns. Is that a joke? Or an insult? Maybe France only has six guns, which is why they’re sure the West can defeat Russia. Just kidding: he only PROMISED the guns. So they were six non-guns. The Vaporware of governments.”

    France was more resourceful and gave Ukraine a lot of destroyed cluster-bomblet ammunition for those guns, brought it back from the ether after destroying it under lawful treaty obligations, so it could be used on the civilians of Donetsk, which it has been.
    Now it is doubly destroyed.
    Double entry.
    Win coming and going…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 18 2022 #109946
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    What, they’re Still Dying?​
    ​​ Fifth largest life insurance company in the US paid out 163% more for deaths of working people ages 18-64 in 2021 –
    Total claims/benefits up $6 BILLION
    ​ ​Company cites “non-pandemic-related morbidity” and “unusual claims adjustments” in explanation of losses from group life insurance business:
    Stock falling, replaces CEO
    https://crossroadsreport.substack.com/p/breaking-fifth-largest-life-insurance

    ​ Must-get-protection-from-lawsuits…
    FDA Risk-Benefit Analysis Hides ‘Bad Data’ on Moderna Shots for Kids
    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s risk-benefit document in connection with the Moderna mRNA shot in kids is dishonest, and evidence that the public health establishment has abandoned science, logic, reason, rationality, empathy, health and medicine.
    ​ ​The risks of COVID-19 are so low in the childhood population that there were ZERO severe cases of COVID-19 in either the treatment or the control group.​ (The study proved nothing, but was unanimously accepted with smiles/handshakes.)​
    ​ ​Therefore, the number needed to vaccinate, to prevent a single severe case of COVID-19 in the childhood population, is infinity. (Technically it’s undefined because you cannot divide by zero​.​)
    ​ ​The FDA and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or CDC guidance documents for how to write a risk-benefit assessment state that one must provide a number needed to treat, the absolute risk reduction, and the relative risk reduction.
    Moderna just skipped all that because the cartel makes its own rules.
    ​ ​Moderna is in a race against natural immunity. But natural immunity has already won because 74.2% of kids had natural immunity by February — so by now, the number is probably closer to 100%.​ ​https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-eua-moderna-covid-vaccine-young-kids/?

    Moderna to Study Its COVID Vaccine in Babies as Young as 3 Months

    Moderna to Study Its COVID Vaccine in Babies as Young as 3 Months + More

    ​Jessica Rose Ph.D.
    I don’t think it’s Myocarditis, I think it’s injection-induced Cardiac Amyloidosis
    ​ ​I will be submitting this for peer-reviewed publication
    Cardiac Amyloidosis or Stiff Heart Syndrome is caused by deposits of abnormal proteins in the heart tissue. This results in the heart ceasing to function properly due to the replacement of normal heart muscle tissue with amyloids. Cardiac Amyloidosis is associated with thick heart walls and large atria. It can affect electrical conductivity resulting in arrhythmias and heart block .
    ​https://jessicar.substack.com/p/i-dont-think-its-myocarditis-i-think

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 18 2022 #109945
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    ​ Wigs sends this analysis of well organized information about US bioweapons labs in Ukraine, testing on mentally-ill Ukrainians, and widespread diseases, like hepatitis spreading in local populations.​ This is collected, organized and released through the Russian ministry of Defense.
    Russian Ministry of Defense Release on US Biological Activity in Ukraine 06/16/22
    https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/russian-ministry-of-defense-release

    (Nobody will notice; they’re already crazy…)
    ​ ​Employees of the lab in the village of Sorokovka in Kharkov region tested highly active neuromodulators that caused irreversible damage to the central nervous system as part of the US military bio programme, Lt. Gen. Igor Kirillov, the head of the radiation, chemical and biological defense of the Russian Armed Forces, said.
    ​ ​Sorokovka hosted a branch of the Merefa laboratory, built at the expense of the Pentagon, he said. In Merefa, laboratory staff performed experiments on patients from psychiatric clinics in Kharkov.
    https://sputniknews.com/20220616/us-tested-neuromodulators-on-socially-vulnerable-ukrainians—russian-defense-ministry-1096382173.html

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 18 2022 #109942
    John Day
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    ​Moon of Alabama thinks the US/NATO needs to escalate the war narrative in a desperate bid to maintain control. This could be in Moldova’s ethnic-Russian-protectorate, Transnistria, or it could be in Syria. He thinks Iran would be too much of a risk as a theater of war.
    Ukraine – The U.S. Is Moving Towards Escalation
    The catastrophic economic consequences of the ‘western’ proxy war with Russia are setting in. As a result the high inflation, caused by supply side constrains due to sanctions and far too much spending, will ruin the middle classes of many countries.
    To those who did not wear blinders and who knew of the real economies of the ‘west’ and Russia this was very predictable and predicted:
    The U.S. is pushing its European ‘allies’ to commit economic suicide by sanctioning everything Russia. The U.S. should be more careful. It is one of the biggest buyers of Russian oil and its aircraft industry depends on titanium from Russia. Russia surely knows who is trying to hurt it the most and it surely knows how, and has the means to, hurt back.
    The hurt has not at all reached its peak. This winter will be very difficult for Europe. Poor countries are even worse off. Many will experience hunger crises and riots.
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/ukraine-the-us-is-on-the-road-towards-escalation.html#more

    ​ ​The Kiev authorities would very much like to open a military front in Transnistria, but such a development would be “the end of Moldova”, Russian Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov said this in an interview with TASS on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) on Wednesday.
    https://tass.com/politics/1465461

    Stir up something in Russia’s far east, perhaps? North Korea is right there, and those disputed islands that Japan and Russia both claim.
    ​ ​Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida announced Wednesday he plans to attend the upcoming NATO summit in Madrid later this month. Kishida blasted the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, accusing Moscow of violating the “order of the world” with its actions.
    ​ ​“I intend to make an appeal that changing the status quo unilaterally by force is unacceptable anywhere in the world and that security in Europe is inseparable from security in Indo-Pacific,” Kishida said during a news conference. “Russia’s invasion violates the peace and order of the world and can never be tolerated.”
    ​ ​While Kishida is set to become the first Japanese PM to ever attend a NATO summit, he won’t be the only leader from the Asia-Pacific region to join the event, the secretary general of the alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, revealed as he spoke ahead of a ministerial NATO meeting in Brussels on Wednesday.
    ​ ​“For the first time in our history we will invite our Asia-Pacific partners, the prime ministers of New Zealand, Australia, Japan and also the president of South Korea will participate in the NATO Summit, which is a strong demonstration of our close partnership with these like-minded countries in the Asia-Pacific.”
    https://www.rt.com/news/557202-japan-pm-nato-summit/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 18 2022 #109941
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    ​ Planned disruptive crisis, or just extreme incompetence? Sri Lankan crisis presents a chance for the “new-new-world-order” to perform an impressive rescue.
    Sri Lanka’s woes trace to depleted foreign currency reserves, ill-timed tax cuts, loss of tourism dollars and disruptions from the Covid-19 pandemic. In the agriculture sector, policy missteps have also played a role. In April 2021, the government, led by President Gotabaya Rajapaksa, banned synthetic fertilizer imports to push the country toward organic farming.
    But without adequate preparation, the plan backfired. Sri Lanka’s entire agricultural chain — around a third of the labor force and 8% of gross domestic product — faced disruptions. Export earnings from tea, a key revenue source, dried up…
    ..President Rajapaksa said the synthetic fertilizer ban was intended to increase the income of farmers by providing them with sustainable and cheaper alternatives. In a recent interview with Bloomberg News, he acknowledged problems with execution.
    “Our organic fertilizer manufacturers didn’t have the capacity, but I was not informed,” he said. “I didn’t get the support from people who were responsible.”
    Without a bailout from the International Monetary Fund, many worry that Sri Lanka could now go the way of Venezuela, with an essentially worthless currency causing hardship for years to come…
    ..The situation has turned desperate for poorer Sri Lankans. Amaraweera, the agriculture minister, has urged people to grow crops at home, saying it’s the only solution to the crisis. For the next three months, the government has given state employees Fridays off from work to tend to their gardens…
    ..Jayavardhana Pridarshani, a mother of four who lives in Hambantota, a stronghold of the ruling Rajapaksa dynasty, said her family used to eat fish or eggs daily. These days, they can only afford to have those items once a month. She said schools have stopped serving meals to students and fishermen rarely go out to sea because of fuel shortages, even though there’s an abundance of fish.
    “Children here, including mine, are suffering from fatigue and weakness,” she said, adding that a doctor had warned that those were symptoms of protein deficiency.
    https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/spiraling-food-crisis-hits-sri-lanka-as-farmers-abandon-fields-1.1780077

    Re-post of the story about Chinese health-pasports turning RED if you try to go to your bak to ask questions about why you can’t get your money.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-banks-freeze-billions-deposits-officials-use-health-qr-code-bar-protestors

    This may have been a big part of the lockdown in Shanghai, to buy some time to sort through this.
    There’s a run on Chinese banks and it’s being ignored by the world
    https://www.asiamarkets.com/chinese-banks-run/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 18 2022 #109940
    John Day
    Participant

    “New Work Order” blog post. no picture today…
    https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/new-work-order

    ​Vladimir Putin gave a speech at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum yesterday, about which we will hear more in coming days.​
    ​Unipolar Order Has Ended, West Headed For “Change Of Elites” As Russia Emerges Stronger
    ​..​He declared the end of the unipolar world as we know it, saying, “Over the past decades, new powerful centers have been formed on the planet […] each of them develops their own political system and public institutions, implements their own models of economic growth, and, of course, has the right to protect themselves, to ensure national sovereignty. We are talking about real processes, about truly revolutionary, tectonic changes in geopolitics, global economy, the technological sphere, in the entire system of international relations”.​..
    ​..Currently France holds the rotating EU presidency. It’s leader Macron said while in Kiev of EU candidacy status, “This status will be accompanied by a roadmap and will also involve taking into account the situation in the Balkans and the neighboring area, notably Moldova.”​ [Red-Flag Warning]​
    ​ ​While putting forward Mo​l​dova, absent was any mention of Georgia​ (which is not lining up hard against Russia, due to prior experiences) ​, which is not being considered, angering Georgian leaders who have lashed out at Brussels.​..
    ..Vladimir Putin in statements issued the same day as von der Leyen’s EU candidacy preliminary approval announcement stressed the growing ‘cost’ to Europe over its intransigent pro-Ukraine position and anti-Russia sanctions. He estimated that the European Union will incur “losses of at least $400 billion” due to its multiple waves of sanctions imposed on Moscow.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/eu-backs-ukraines-european-dream-putin-says-sanctions-cost-bloc-400bn-warns-fertilizer

    ​Transcript of Putin’s ​St. Petersburg International Economic Forum Plenary Session Address:

    President Putin: St Petersburg International Economic Forum Plenary session

    ​RT take on Putin’s keynote address: (The point is made that Europe has been colonized. A path out of that is implied.)
    ​New centers of power have emerged, the unipolar world order isn’t coming back, and the “colonial” way of thinking has failed, Russian President Vladimir Putin told the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) on Friday
    ​ “Truly revolutionary, tectonic changes in geopolitics, the global economy, in the technological sphere, in the entire system of international relations,” are “fundamental, pivotal and inexorable,” Putin said. “And It is a mistake to suggest that one can wait out the times of turbulent change and that things will return to normal; that everything will be as it was. It will not.”​ …​
    ​..​“The European Union has completely lost its political sovereignty, and its bureaucratic elites are dancing to someone else’s tune, accepting whatever they are told from above, causing harm to their own population and their own economy,”​ …​
    ​..​“Such a detachment from reality, from the demands of society, will inevitably lead to a surge of populism and the growth of radical movements, to serious social and economic changes, to degradation and, in the near future, to a change of elites​.​”
    ​..​ If there is famine in the world’s poorest countries, “this will be entirely on the conscience of the US administration and the European bureaucracy.”
    ​ ​Troubles with food supply have arisen over the past several years – not months – due to the “short-sighted actions of those who are accustomed to solving their problems at someone else’s expense,” distorting the trade flows by printing money in a sort of “predatory colonial policy,” Putin said.
    ​ ​Russia is ready to send food to Africa and the Middle East, where the threat of famine is most acute, but faces “logistical, financial, transport” obstacles imposed by the West​.​..
    ​..​“All the objectives of the special military operation will be unconditionally achieved,” Putin said…
    (Perhaps looking at Germany, France and Italy)​ ​“Truly sovereign states are always committed to equal partnerships,” while “those who are weak and dependent, as a rule, are busy looking for enemies, planting xenophobia, or finally losing their originality, independence, blindly following the overlord”
    https://www.rt.com/russia/557346-putin-spief-speech-takeaways/

    ​ ​Deputy Head of Russia’s Security Council Dmitry Medvedev took to Telegram on Wednesday and conveyed his doubts about Ukraine still being around in two years.​ ​​He referred to a post saying that Ukraine “seeks to get LNG from its overseas sponsors under lend-lease and pay for it in two years,” because otherwise “it will just freeze” next winter. “The only question is, who says that Ukraine will still exist in two years?”
    https://tass.com/world/1465033

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 18 2022 #109939
    John Day
    Participant

    @Formerly T-Bear. No offense intended, and I asked no question of you, just trying to have a little whimsy with the comment about “economics being the discipline where the majority is always wrong.”

    I said: “I feel that an actual “zeitgeist” (time-spirit) is different from the attempts to creat an ersatz “noble lie”, that zeitgeist is the antithesis of the “noble lie”. My feeling is that zeitgeist takes some very long naps, but that it is awake again, like in 1967.

    You said: “The truth you seek is a mirage, a deception but that is strictly your affair and the beauty of each having their own search to conduct whether successfully or not.”

    From that I might presume that you have a materialistic worldview.
    Is that right or wrong?
    If we have different worldviews in this way, then we can make that clear.
    You have stated a conclusion that you reached as an absolute, without explaining assumptions or logical processes.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 18 2022 #109935
    John Day
    Participant

    @Formerly T-Bear from last night, commenting on “ersatz” phase of synthetic-“reality” (Cheney/Rove).
    I feel that a an actual “zeitgeist” (time-spirit) is different from the attempts to creat an ersatz “noble lie”, that zeitgeist is the antithesis of the “noble lie”. My feeling is that zeitgeist takes some very long naps, but that it is awake again, like in 1967.

    @VP Gary and pursuant to above comments on “ersatz” and “zeitgeist”. There is such a loss of control of the “official narrative” that it results in kangaroo-court 1/6/21 hearings having too much unapproved pro-Trump information to be shown to Americans. I think we need to keep respectfully and reliably presenting truth, and reasonable hypotheses, to the best of our abilities.
    People tell me that they appreciate my attempts.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109906
    John Day
    Participant

    Formerly T-bear did not say: “Economics is the discipline where the majority is always wrong”.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109905
    John Day
    Participant

    Interesting take here; not without research.

    Russia Believes False Flag Will Lead to US Entry
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-06-16/unlocked-russias-trenin-believes-false-flag-will-lead-us-entry

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109902
    John Day
    Participant

    @Michael Reid: Thanks, i’m looking for the best story about that speech by Putin. Pepe Escobar might write it up. He’s there on site.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109901
    John Day
    Participant

    @VP Gary: (“Woke” county sic?) was a feeble attempt at humor, punning, the lowest form of humor, while feigning ignorance regarding the story about non-service of 30 conservative moms in Wake County.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109890
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks Willem.

    Namaste’, Sister Susan.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109885
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks Phoenixvoice.
    We are hopeful to get some bananas this second year.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109876
    John Day
    Participant

    That worked.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109875
    John Day
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    Hmmm, trouble posting links again. likely Russia-alert to the AI.
    I’ll put a space between (dot) and (com)

    Dr. Mercola has this well fleshed out and researched piece, though our outlooks are not identical.
    Preparing for the Reality of Financial Collapse
    https://www.globalresearch. ca/preparing-reality-financial-collapse/5783308

    ​Pepe Escobar has this progress report on China’s belt-and-road ​initiative and ‘G-8″, a term likely to catch on.
    The ‘New G8’ Meets China’s ‘Three Rings’
    ..This non Russia-sanctioning G8, he added, is 24.4% ahead of the old one, which is in fact the G7, in terms of GDP in purchasing power parity (PPP), as G7 economies are on the verge of collapsing and the U.S. registers record inflation.
    ​ ​The power of the acronym was confirmed by one of the researchers on Europe at the Russian Academy of Sciences, Sergei Fedorov: three BRICS members (Brazil, China and India) alongside Russia, plus Indonesia, Iran, Turkey and Mexico, all non adherents to the all-out Western economic war against Russia, will soon dominate global markets.
    ​ ​Fedorov stressed the power of the new G8 in population as well as economically: “If the West, which restricted all international organizations, follows its own policies, and pressures everyone, then why are these organizations necessary? Russia does not follow these rules.”
    T​he new G8, instead, “does not impose anything on anyone, but tries to find common solutions.”
    https://thesaker. is/the-new-g8-meets-chinas-three-rings/

    ​Germany (Siemens) did not return the pumps/turbines for the Nordstream-1 pipeline after sending them to Canada for repair, as contracted with Gazprom, so the Nordstream-1 gas pipeline output​ falls with fewer pumps. Blame Putin.
    European NatGas Soars 70% In Week Amid Freeport Delays A
    nd Russian Cuts
    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/european-natgas-soars-70-week-amid-freeport-explosion-and-russian-cuts

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109873
    John Day
    Participant

    As for me, I will merely assume that the owners will have moderate and ongoing success in reducing our carbon-footprints, birth rates, lifespans and access to the many luxuries we now take for granted, like electricity and the internet, grocery stores tap water and warmth in winter.

    My reading of history is also that they will only be able to protect their own wealth and position sometimes and incompletely. They read history too. they are doing everything they can to get rid of my demographic, which is a pretty threatening demographic to them. I’m just going to blog and grow vegetables, try to “collapse early and avoid the rush”, and help family and friends survive. I intend to never be the immediate threat that they need to expend valuable resources (like a predator drone and hellfire missile) on.

    I have long said that the upper middle class and middling wealthy will have to take the first round of big losses. I suspect the Fed will “defend the dollar” at the expense of the “risk assets” held by these demographics, wave after wave, perhaps. Tom Luongo sees the big $US banks scoring a win over “the Davos crowd”.

    Media: Why the Fed Raised 75 bps and How to Break the Davos Crowd

    China has her own plans to leap out in front of the crisis, Great Leap Forward 2.0. Russian nationalists like V. Putin, Sergey Glazyev and Sergey Lavrov do, clearly have their own 50 year plan, which looks like the global populist option to me.
    China is currently in harmony with that, but the Chinese way is historically one of absolute domination. The current story of health-passport RED codes being used to keep Chinese depositors from visiting their stressed banks, for their funds, or even an explanation, bears repeating and much consideration.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-banks-freeze-billions-deposits-officials-use-health-qr-code-bar-protestors

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109871
    John Day
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    ​ Are you a “useless eater”? I am these days, as would be judged by the business interests of the owners, which is all that matters for this analysis, since they are determining actual policies and seeking certain physical-world progressions and outcomes, about which they must lie, since Jimmy Carter failed them.​

    Industrial Output Per capita is a pooled measure, but Catherine Austin Fitts has long spoken and written about elite plans for a “breakaway society” which would be more formalized, but there would be strict separation of “haves” from “have-nots” Another mitigating factor is clearly getting rid ofa lot of people throung accelerating the trend of rising deaths, and drastically cutting down on births.

    Resource conservation on the global scale has only ever been seen with massive economic collapse. The collapse of the USSR cut CO2 emissions a lot for several years. No voluntary actions have done anything globally, though the nation of Japan, working together, regrew her forests over 300 years. Coupling the dramatic use of natural resources by most people, while cutting total human population, lines up well with policies used in recent decades to keep-the-oil-in-the-ground in countries like Iraq, Libya and Iran, by destroying their oil-fueled economies by wars and embargos. This is a model which Dick Cheney supported. Cheney had a “total energy policy”. “Get everything and keep it and control it.”

    Just as all errors fall in the favor of the bank, any glitches in Great-Reset actualization will be made to fall in favor of reducing wealth/resource-consumption, lifespan and fertility for the vast majority of humans, like me, and probably like you. This is not explicable, so everything we hear lately sounds completely foolish on the face of it. We only have to comply and go into that chute.

    COVID “vaccines” seem to be causing immunocompromise, which progresses over time and the number of doses.
    Cancers and infections associated with AIDS are on the rise in the multiply “vaccinated”.

    U.S. Gov. reports prove COVID Vaccination can cause Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome & this is why we’re seeing “Sudden Deaths” & “Monkeypox”…


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/?fs=e&s=cl

    Twice per year “boosting” seems “optimal”. This cuts lifespan in a myriad of ways, only a few directly recognizable, but it’s making that anomaly that the life-insurance companies have to pay out on. Thes products just got FDA approved for kids starting at 6 months of age, who have truly immature immune systems. They’ll never have a chance. It was a unanimous decision. Public comment was pre-censored at the shortened hearing. Absolutely minimal short term data from just a very few kids was used. Nobody who was allowed in objected.
    https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/what-vrbpac-got-wrong-who-will-hold?s=r https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-eua-covid-shots-infants-young-kids/

    National policies to reduce drilling, pumping and distillation of oil, and to reduce mining of col, are purported to “force” a transition to wind and solar energy, but the main issue is that people will use far less total energy and only sometimes, when it is available, with the constraints being put in place. Energy austerity being imposed upon European people is like that, too. These policies make some sense to people with fervor and group loyalty, who are not very good at physics and math word-problems, which is most people. You just have to fool most of the people most of the time, enough to get a commitment from them, then lock them in.

    The locking-people-in to being robbed, enslaved and killed is always the hard part. Wars work, but wars destroy the wealth-producing assets the owners need to keep intact for their future needs. “Vaccination” has a lot of good features, especially if the rise in deaths is gradual, delayed, not apparent until later, then “nobody could have known”. Compartmentalizing economies allows for a lot of constraints upon resource use. No chips, no cars? Who could have foreseen that?

    There are bound to be limitless war-gamed contingency-plans to grind down the resource use of most humans, while preserving the wealth for the important humans who need their wits about them to guide our species and our planet through these unprecedented trying times.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109870
    John Day
    Participant

    Picture of Jenny-in-the-jungle https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/rational-liars

    Joe Kennedy said, and FDR is purported to have said, and it had been said many times long before that “there are no accidents in politics”.
    There are clearly competitions, often rigged or multiply rigged, and there may be surprises. We can assume lies.
    Rational-actor theory in global politics applies in other political venues.
    Politicians are not stupid if they do not accomplish what they say they intend, merely lying opportunists.

    The job of politicians is to deliver the actions of the people, preferably willingly, to the desired plans of the owners/masters.
    This job is easiest in times of plenty and a booming economy, like in the US after WW-2. The masters wanted to continue war-economy, and the benefits of war for global control of commerce and profits. They got the Korean War. they got Vietnam ramped up over JFK’s dead body. JFK worked against critical interests in the military, CIA and banking. He was determined to turn America back over to the Americans, including the money, and including their desire for peace.

    Now the talk is about “reducing carbon footprints”. Politicians have long tried to get people to embrace this concept, and it is a really good concept, like stopping pollution and becoming stewards of living ecosystems. The problem is that everything we know runs on oil, coal, natural gas, some nuclear, and that wind and solar electricity generation completely depends on this vast existing industrial economy, which cannot be transitioned off these buried treasures.

    We have seen evidence that the COVID lockdown was to hide the effects of the biggest bank bailout ever, which was required to keep the system operational.
    We know now that there will be a “recession” and the asset super-bubble will be popped to support the $US as global reserve currency. After centuries of globalization of trade, we are seeing a balkanization, compartmentalization which is restricting trade. A western financial bloc is cutting itself off from the rest of the world, as the new “G-8” (see below) steps up to manage most other global trade. All of the things being given as reasons for actions like refusing cheap, good Russian oil are preposterous at first analysis, “suicidal”. Still, we must assume “rationality”, so what are the interests being served? Who benefits? How?

    The ultimate contraction of global industrial economy has been predicted, based upon resource fundamentals and patterns of economic growth and usage, since the early 1950s. Admiral Hyman Rickover and Oil Geologist M. King Hubbard predicted, and their predictions held very closely. US oil production did peak in 1971-1972.
    Jimmy Carter, the last US president to present this honestly, was a nuclear sub commander, and was a protege of Rickover. Carter’s honesty, wearing a cardigan on TV and urging Americans to conserve fuel, isan object of derision to this day. That approach was abandoned, but the interests of the elites in maintaining control of the economic systems, even as they eventually shrank, and total wealth contracted, never changed.

    As Reagan/Bush derided The Limits To Growth, and said “there are no limits on America”, and things like that, Deng Xiaopeng was studying The Limits To Growth and taking it very seriously, in a 50 year plan and 100 year plan kind of way. Why would Ruling classes of the rest of the world do less? The book was commissioned by The Club Of Rome, which is often derided for conflicting interests, but it seems like they really just wanted to know back around 1970 (published 1972). They got experts in systems analysis, computer modeling, and MIT’s big computer, and ran models with no economic assumptions at all, just resource information and use trends over previous centuries. The extrapolations seem to be holding well, as far as I can tell. Global industrial economic output appears to have peaked in the second half of 2018.

    Last June Gail Tverberg had this analysis: Where Energy Modeling Goes Wrong
    Summary: The economy is approaching near-term collapse, not peak oil. The result is quite different.
    The modeling that comes closest to being correct is that which underlies the 1972 book, The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others. This modeling was based on physical quantities of resources, with no financial system whatsoever. The base model, shown here, indicates that limits would be reached a few years later than we actually seem to be reaching them. The dotted black line in Figure 1 indicates where I saw the world economy to be in January 2019, based on the limits we already seemed to be reaching at that time.
    [Image won’t load. See link.] https://i0.wp.com/ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/1972-base-limits-to-growth-forecast-with-2019-dotted-line.png?ssl=1
    I think that line is drawn at 2010, myself.​ Extrapolate between 2000 and 2050. See what I mean?​

    Where Energy Modeling Goes Wrong

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109869
    John Day
    Participant

    @Dr. D: “What were the sins of Sodom?”
    The blood of the children refers to sacrifice, blood sacrifice, of the first-borne son to the “god”.
    Abraham, prepared to cut out Isaac’s heart for “God”, was just going through the usual drill as a test of faith.
    “Eid” marks that Holy Day.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 17 2022 #109861
    John Day
    Participant

    VP Gary posted this last night, fromthe land of “we don’t serve your kind here”:(“Woke” county sic?)

    “Wake County Chapter of Moms for Liberty, told Carolina Journal in a phone interview that Julie Page, chair of the local chapter, made the reservation at Wye Hill Kitchen & Brewing as a happy hour for moms she knew to celebrate the end of the school year.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 16 2022 #109828
    John Day
    Participant

    D Benton Smith said:
    “The elites of the Great Western Empire do NOT think this is a good time for looking (or reporting on what is seen), because their policies, beliefs and computer algorithms all say that they’ve gotten it just right and there is therefore no need for questions about whether Murder-Suicide is a good idea or not. Of COURSE it is ! Drastic population reduction is vitally necessary! All of the approved experts say so.”

    The elites have a narrow range of tools and uses which they can use. Thses tools and structures keep them in power. To consider losing power is nothing they could ever agree to do. All that they do must be done by agreement of elites who give orders to subordinates.
    This is what they can come up with: lies to get people to go into chutes that will later, around a couple of corners, enslave, or slaughter them.

    The rest of us have to do what we each can, hopefully with some Divine inspiration at critical points, in a non-hierarchical way. Divine guidance coordinates through free-choice to accept guidance, which is different from hierarchy.
    Being completely human is actually about the best we can do, and it doesn’t mean being a petulant teenager, buta loving human adult, who tries things, shares and corrects own-errors willingly.

    D B S Also said: ” Let’s answer the three biggest biggies of all time :
    Is there a God? (Don’t look outside. What is this life? How do I know?)
    Is there life after death? (What is life? Is life only and always inside my body? Can I test Karma?)
    And what is the difference between Good and Bad.”
    (…If only I had a little voice to tell me… If I wholeheartedly serve others how does that turn out to be “good” so often? What are the implications? Is being “selfless” the secret to “self fulfillment”? What are the implications for “self”? Does this work better if we are NOT separate, like it looks?)

    TAE Summary: Fine Form, again!

    Kultsommer wrote: “Calm arrogance of re-posting the same content that is single wheel of the mouse turn to scroll-up to the host’s offer bar is beyond me.”

    Restatement during discussion is common in life.
    If you don’t take offense to this, but skip what you have already learned and incorporated, you can proceed to understand what the writer seeks to convey.
    We all make restatements. Many people don’t know that one thing refers to another thing unless you put it right there.
    You may have a very good memory for specific pieces of information. Many do not.
    Flow of concepts is aided by having references right there in the text.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 16 2022 #109827
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks for the thoughts/obesrvations/quotes/musings Dr.D. Thanks for Viktor Frankl, Susan.
    To some degree we are americans, or “a people” or “flyover people”, but each of us is a God-seed growing. You can’t always tell until you are engaged in the-work and meet somebody else doing the same work. Then you know.

    Phoenixvoice said, “yes we are poorly prepared…” and more, but that is not any kind of fixed state, nor is it absolute, and we are all, always preparing for something. Most people have no clue how much work it is to grow a little food, and are dashed when the squirrels get the one tomato, but it’s the wrong goal. You have to grow considerably more than you will need, and there will be disappointments, but then you need to can tomatoes and shell beans for hours, better with a friend.

    So much “preparing” or “prepping” is just doing the basic human things from forever in a bigger way than it ever occurred to you, like the Siberians do. They just hammer away and make it happen.
    It is humanly engaging, somewhat humanly satisfying. You might “actualize” yerself by doing things and forgetting “self” as you engage in “the zone” of immediately-aware-doing. (maybe)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 16 2022 #109825
    John Day
    Participant

    @Chooch: Thanks for this article about the rigged proceedings to give Pfizer and FDA a get-out-of-jail-free-by-killing-babies card. https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/what-vrbpac-got-wrong-who-will-hold?s=r

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 15 2022 #109764
    John Day
    Participant

    It seems like AI doesn’t block COVID information now (Paging Deflationista”!) but does block Russian links when I try to upload them.

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